Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Nick Mangold, New England Patriots, Vince Wilfork, John Clayton, Mark Sanchez
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04/08 — The Jets and Patriots have fought tooth and nail for a while now. The toothmarks at the Meadowlands have all been administered by the Patriots, but up in Foxboro, the Jets have hammered the Pats a few times: five road wins since Bill Belichick took over in 2000. No other team has more than three wins at Gillette in that time, and the rest of the league has only 14 wins at New England in those nine seasons.
One of the hallmarks of the Jets-Pats games since 2006, for those who pay attention to the trench warfare, are the battles between Jets center Nick Mangold and Patriots nose Vince Wilfork. And the two have great respect for each other.
Mike Reiss, my good friend and the Boston Globe's superb Patriots beatwriter, reminded me of just how respectful with his blog today in which he recalled Mangold's comments at the Super Bowl and Wilfork's fewer words during an online chat on Comcast Sportsnet New England's Website on Tuesday.
During a Hype Week Radio Row interview, the 6'4", 300-pound Mangold said of the 6'2", 325-pound Wilfork:
"He's the type of player you never want to see, and the fact that I have to play him two times a year is miserable. The thing about it is that for his size, he has the uncanny ability to move. You get a lot of guys who are big, and just stand there and take a pounding and don't move. But the fact that he can move and be shifty -- which you don't use too often when describing Vince, but I'm going to put it out there -- is fantastic. He's a heck of a player."
Wilfork wasn't as loquacious on his chat. Asked by a Pats fan, "Vince, who is the league's toughest center?" he replied in two words: "Nick Mangold."
Clayton on the Jets' QBs
John Clayton, ESPN's eminent football reporter, spent some quality time with Eric Allen and me on our latest "Jets Two-Minute Drive" radio show that is going up newyorkjets.com as we speak.
The subjects in the 12-minute chat were wide-ranging, from Jay Cutler trade fallout — Clayton thought Cutler would have done fine in green and white but acknowledged several reasons the Broncos reportedly just were not interested in returning the Jets' calls — to the draft.
Clayton is not a fan of the Jets' looming three-QB competition, saying he'd like to see another arm added to the mix. He mentioned one way of doing that would be to trade up from their No. 17 first-round perch with Jacksonville to get to No. 8, a position that Jaguars may be willing to put on the market. The Clayton target for such a Jets trade: Southern Cal QB Mark Sanchez.
EA asked JC what the cost of such a trade would be. He wasn't sure of the exact compensation for such a swap, but he was in the ballpark. Using one of the popular draft trade value charts (not the one the Jets use) and the positions of the Jets and Jaguars, the Jets could balance that trade by kicking in their second-rounder this year (No. 52) and a fourth-rounder.
I'm not advocating this trade, just reporting on what such a trade would take. But remember the Jets at this time have six picks (one in every round except Round 5) and I would hate to see Mike T give up one of those "fantastic fours" that have been such fertile ground for the Jets this decade.
Last But Not Least ... the Wideouts
Our good friend Ira was eager to see our Wide Receivers draft position analysis quickly, but we have to use some showmanship here, so we've saved the wideouts for last. The WR/TE story (again tag-teamed by EA and me) and the accompanying videos and all-important voting box (you can vote twice in this polling booth!) will be on our site Thursday morning.
That doesn't mean the end of our draft coverage, though. Rich Gentile and his multimedia guys, Steve Scarnecchia and Ryann Ruzika, aren't done yet. After preparing the individual player videos that accompanied our seven position stories, they've crafted position pieces that will show you the top players at each position. We'll be running those videos every other day or so for the final two weeks before the April 25-26 draft.
We'll also have a few more informative mocks from Real Football, reporting on all Jets predraft developments ... and your opinions as well, both on the Radar and on our messageboards. And we thank you the fans for your contributions already made and yet to come.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (22)steven Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 4:06pm ET"Sign either the tallest and fastest wide receiver/tight end like Matt Jones and draft the best defensive tackle or end,OR sign the best defensive tackle/end and draft the biggest and fastest wide receiver/ Tight end. If we can run the ball the quarterbacks we have will do just fine. If we can take away the ball, the offense will be just fine"
uncle joe Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 4:17pm ET"What happened to our 3rd round pick? I thought we gave a 5 to Philly and an undisclosed next year."
Randy Lange Said:
"My mistake, uncle joe. Wrong crooked number. The round without a Jets pick is Round 5. Now corrected."
uncle joe Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 4:45pm ET"Just wanna say Thanks and You guys are the Best.That was really cool Man,really Cool"
Alan Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 5:07pm ET"Sign Matt Jones? You guys are crazy, yeah his height looks good on paper, but the dude cant Catch , and hes not a good player and a huge off the field distraction, the Jags being one of the teams in need of a WR would not of cut him if hes so good. Honestly just because someone is out there doesnt mean he'll help us win ."
Alexander Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 5:11pm ET"Word on the street is that the Jets are talking to NJ native Miles Austin. He's 6'3" 216 lbs and big play capabilities. He's a RFA and the Cowboys gave him 1.5 mil tender. Which means we have to give up a second rounder if we want him, but I think it might be worth it. He's only 24 years old. Young, big target, fast, should be a real good addition."
wayne Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 5:19pm ET"Jets have no glearing need on defense.Including secondary or Dl.There were no significant departures from last yrs unit that performed fairly well.It is imperative that the offense be fortified and the primary additions must, must fortify the run game.A big back over 230 is exactly whats needed.All the moves so far has been on D which leads me to believe the draft will focus primary on offense."
Mrjetgreen Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 5:58pm ET"John Clayton is a FOUNTAIN OF MISINFORMATION. Other that that he is a WEENY! "
Randy Lange Said:
"Mrjetgreen, is that any way to refer to a guest on "Jets Two-Minute Drive"?"
Mrjetgreen Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 6:17pm ET"Randy, Mangold-Wilfork is a good read.... I don't know if you have heard but Jason Taylor has been diagnosed with J-E-T-S disorder. The cure is to never play the NYJ ever again. Apparently this disorder occurs only in FISH that lose 8 in a row and hear > 25,000 people yelling J-E-T-S. "
Row Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 6:59pm ET"There is no reason to pick a QB. This is Clemens team. We MUST get a play making WR, why not Reggie Williams? I would bet 40% of the Jets staff has gotten a DUI of some kind... lol Go Jets"
Mrjetgreen Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 7:15pm ET"Randy, Ok, maybe I was a little hard on Mr Clayton. The statements would have been more appropriately directed at Tony "the babbler" Cornheiser."
35 year fan Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 7:53pm ET"Mangold is a lean mean killin' machine.Now to the draft. My war room is not sold on those running backs visiting jets. We already have that position filled in Leon Washington.We could use a larger sized back. For example; Brandon Jacobs. I'm saying it again; Larry Johnson aint happy in Kansas City.The QBs look sketchy. Also may have to look at a trade. C. Holbrook looks like he has potential? "
Ira Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 8:11pm ET"Enough of all this QB talk. They are not going to draft their 3rd Qb in 4 years. A WR is their biggest need right now and i would be shocked if they don't address that in the 1st rd. Ratty or Kellen will either get the job done or not. Mini-camp will start the story and we will see it play out this summer."
jetfan74 Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 8:49pm ET""The Professor" is entitled to his opinion, but I don't like it! We just need one of our young QB's to not lose the game and make a few plays here and there(aka Trent Dilfer). This D will carry us far. So keep adding Rex!!! I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple young studs added to the DL in the first four rounds and add a couple of big targets for the young guns."
Ryan Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 10:08pm ET"draft a wide out PLEASE. RATLIFF+Cotchery+ tall fast wideout+all other offense= goodness. leon+jones combo is beast, dont need RB. all we need is a wideout and DE and WE ARE GOOD!!"
35 year fan Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 10:55pm ET"Row, I dont mean to upset you,but, Clemens is finished. Ratty is going take his job. Unless Ainge puts on his show. Ainge was really good in college. I think Clemens is third on the depth chart my friend. I think its Rats to lose judging from last years pre season. How 'bout trade a pick for Derek Anderson? or Mangini can have Clemens for him, that was his boy. We need to dish him before the drft"
35 year fan Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 11:05pm ET"Neither Sanchez or Josh Freeman could survive in the AFC East . Come on lets get real. We're battling against Bellichek, Parcells, The Pittsburgh Steelers, etc, etc. etc. We gotta bring more to the table at QB. So we're not laughed at."
Vincent Said:
Thu, April 9, 2009 - 10:45am ET"I'm glad you asked Clayton my question about our QBs. I don't think he's either 100% right nor 100% wrong. Maybe he's looking at the future somewhat; let me explain. If Clemens comes out the first few games & does brilliantly, then everyone is happy. But if he bombs (& so WILL be traded), all of sudden we're looking really thin putting our faith in Ratty & with only Ainge in our QB future. (cont')"
Vincent Said:
Thu, April 9, 2009 - 10:51am ET"(cont'd) So by drafting Sanchez or maybe Freeman, we're adding an insurance aspect to the QB position - a position that IS ultimately the most important one on the team. Maybe Clayton has doubts about Clemens, or simply doubts that he's good enough to take the team to the next level (ie: an Orlovsky-type QB). Me thinks Mr Clayton has left food for thought ... interesting...."
Vincent Said:
Thu, April 9, 2009 - 10:59am ET"About Mangold - any football fan that watches the the trench warfare (as opposed to the QB scrambling, etc), must agree that Mangold is one of the best centers in the NFL. Many are slow & one dimensional. Mangold is quick of his feet & is as strong as any Def lineman out there. Wolfork is a good nose-tackle, and saluting a Jet is LAST thing he'd do as Pat unless it was absolutely undeniable."
MIKE Said:
Thu, April 9, 2009 - 7:44pm ET"Mangold may be the best center in the nfl. And might be our MVP next to Faneca who goes to the probowl every year and might be one of the best guards of all time..Jets top 10 1)Revis 2)Mangold 3)Faneca 4)Jenkins 5)Washington 6)Scott 7)Rhodes 8)Jones 9)Cotchery 10)Pace. Our 2 top draft picks in the last 5 years were not on the list due to not being very good. (Gholston and Brick). Top 5 D this year"
Anonymous Said:
Sun, April 12, 2009 - 8:11pm ET"I WANT MICHAEL VICK TO BE OUR QUARTERBACK, PLAXICO BURRESS AS OUR WIDE RECIEVER, AND THEN I WANT THE JETS TO TRADE DARRELLE REVIS AND KERRY RHODES FOR TROY POLAMALU. THE JETS SHOULD DRAFT MARK SANCHEZ AND TRADE THOMAS JONES FOR ANOTHER 2ND ROUNDER AND DRAFT KNOWSHOWN MORENO IN THE SECOND ROUND THEN DRAFT TYSON JACKSON IN THE SECOND ROUND!!!!"
Randy Lange Said:
"I can see why you like to be anonymous, Anonymous."
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JMAT Said:
Wed, April 8, 2009 - 3:59pm ET"John Clayton is always WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING..if he says he doesn't like our 3 QB's and that we should go after Sanchez, then we should GIVE OUR # QB's A SHOT and STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM SANCHEZ AS POSSIBLE!!!"
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