Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Roger Goodell, Japan, Tokyo Dome, Lewis Carroll, USFL, Hall of Fame Game
03/27 — "The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of lots of stuff:
Of Hochuli--and onside kicks--
If OT's up to snuff.
And why not 17 or 18 games--
Or is 16 enough?"
With apologies to Lewis Carroll, that's a little summary of the competition committee's rules discussions at the recently concluded NFL owners' meetings. The "Hochuli replay rule" and the no-rekick-after-an-illegal-onsides rules are interesting but not earthshaking. Discussion of changing overtime never got off the drawing board.
But the subject I wanted to broach now is the proposed expanded schedule. Commissioner Roger Goodell is clearly in favor of growing each team's number of regular-season games from the 16 of the past 31 seasons to 17 or 18.
Whatever the number, one extra game seems ticketed to be played at a neutral site, which opens the door for the NFL to expand into international markets.
The internationals are surely an ambitious project. If the sites are limited to England, Germany, Mexico and Canada, it's certainly doable. (New York to Berlin is a mega-West Coast trip in reverse.) But as blingy as the Australia, Japan and China markets might appear, the NFL should avoid booking such games in the regular season.
When the Jets opened the preseason against the Buccaneers in the Tokyo Dome in 2003, the time change left me zonked out for the three days there and three more days upon my return, and all I did was write and dine on the best sushi in the world. I can only imagine the immediate and lingering effects of a regular-season game in Osaka, Beijing or Sydney on pro football players.
Many hurdles, with the players' union, corporate partners and media outlets, must be cleared if the league is serious about this, but Goodell, a can-do kind of commish, said a vote could take place as soon as May and a supersized schedule could begin as soon as August 2011.
We could see this coming for decades, perhaps. Recall if you can the climate in the NFL in 1977, when teams played 14 regular-season games and six, count 'em, six preseason games — and that year the Jets played seven preseason games, including the Hall of Fame Game against the Bears.
I could be mistaken but I think at that time all teams discounted tickets to the summer games and didn't require season-ticket holders to include them in their preseason purchases. Both of those guidelines quickly went by the boards with the move to 16 games in 1978. And now Goodell acknowledges what every football fan and network exec knows, that "the players they want to see are not in those preseason games. That's why they are not attractive."
The 18-game format is one of those concepts whose time has come. The USFL handled an 18-game sked (and a few players somehow staggered from 18 games plus a playoff or two into NFL training camps back in 1986). And we're a nexus in history where the NFL needs to provide more bang for the buck and the world stage is beckoning.
That's my opinion anyway. If you've got some time today or this weekend, let me know what you think about 16, 17 or 18 games or about any of the other rules changes that have been instituted or that you'd like to see enacted in the future.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (58)Hogan Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:37am ET"The more games the better. I also am in favor of a supplemental league durring offseason."
Alex From CT Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:38am ET"Hey Randy, There is one thing I am curious about and it involves the Jets-Denver game this past season. When the Jets fumbled and J-Co landed on the ball and was hit and the ball came loose and I believe Denver ended up scoring a touchdown. I also remember the play not being reviewable and I wasn't sure why. Also would the new Hochuli Rule would help make that a reviewable play?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Alex, I'm not Mike Pereira, the NFL's director of officials, but my guess is that the Brad Smith flip to Jerricho Cotchery would not be covered by the new "Hochuli rule." Ref Walt Coleman ruled at the time that the play was not reviewable because it was a judgment call that Cotchery never had possession of the ball on the ground before Vernon Fox hit him, forced the fumble and returned the loose ball for the TD. The Hochuli pass-type plays and fumbles/down-by-contact plays are now covered by replay rules because they involved whistles that blew those plays dead. There was no whistle on the Cotchery play. Now should there have been? That's another question."
Howard Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:38am ET"would love to see an 18 game regular season that way the fans see the best players play for their money as for the owners meeting i like the fact playoff teams now draft behind non playoff teams,not just solely based on the teams record anymore,and no blindside shots to the head and neck area is also good the nfl needs to kepp its best players on the field no ir without taking away the big hit"
Ira Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:48am ET"Also the NFL can market their product in other ways then send teams out of the country to play. Why fill stadiums with 80,000 plus fans who don't even follow the teams. Please figure out a better way. Randy, While i am known to be a big homer i don't care. Fans love to pile on to the Jets but they were the last team to require season ticket holders to buy the preseason games. "
Ira Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:51am ET"And i also remember when the preseason games were held at neutral sites around the country like New Haven, Allenton, Memphis, and New Brunswick,NJ. Who knew then they would settle in NJ?"
Andrew Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:57am ET"I am all for the expanded schedule. As a season ticket holder, it is boring as heck to watch preseason games at the meadowlands. There is no buzz, no juice, and then of course watching Chad break a wrist or Clowny a shoulder and bang there goes the season in a meaningless game! Bring on more games...too bad our new "fan wanted" stadium doesn't have a roof for those February games!!"
Brian Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 12:38pm ET"If the starters can handle the extra 2 full games played and the quality of play doesnt suffer too much in late December and January, then I am all for it. Pre-season is such a pain from the fans perspective. And btw, the jets better work on their depth if this does happen."
Ray Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 1:09pm ET"Plain and simple, less is more. If they are talking about reducing the pre season to expand the regular season I'm all for it. If it just adds a game or two and the season heads into mid to late february I think you'll see more and more guys breaking down. The might have to expand rosters."
Steve Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 1:31pm ET"If you're a football fan, 2 more games is icing on the cake. That means 2 less preseason games which are meaningless, and one's in which players often sustain season ending injuries. I know that could happen during the season, but at least the games count for something. "
CCY Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 1:50pm ET"Two thoughts/questions: Any Far East/Australia trip would have to be packaged with a bye-week (Thurs game w/ 10 days on each side?), no? And, would the regular season start earlier or end later?"
Randy Lange Said:
"CCY, the NFL has yet to determine when an 18-game schedule would begin and end, how many bye weeks (one or two) to include, how free agency and the draft would be affected, etc. "
Ira Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 1:59pm ET"Brian, See thats my point about increasing the # of active players they go into a game with. They will have to dress more than 45 players per game for the reason you mentioned. And while i don't mind watching preseason games it is crazy to pay close to 100.00 or more for a game that doesn't count."
Row Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 2:02pm ET"Here's a note to all you rule changing guru's... STOP CHANGING THE GAME! If you're on the ground, you should be able to hit the qb. If you hit the qb and slide down past the knee, the new rule says you will be flagged. That is ridiculous. As for 18 games, STUPID IDEA! How can you evaluate a rookie with 2 preseason games? (Esp a QB) Bad economy=add more games, just a bad idea. Go Jets"
oldtimegreen Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 2:31pm ET"The wonderful AFL also included Jets pre-season games at Lowell, MA, Alexandria, VA, and New Jersey, where my trusty Nikon (then mortgaged to the hilt) caught treasured moments. "
dan L Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 3:26pm ET"It will probably mean less opportunities and more pressure for non-drafted Free agents and guys not drafted in the early rounds. Washsington was a late rounder. Would he have gotten a shot if they had only 2 games before the seaon started? . wiil it mean adding another bye week? "
The Iron Marshal Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 3:42pm ET"I'm ok with it, subject to following considerations: 1) 17 game schedule preceded by a three game preseason: The fourth preseason game is one where all the starters sit and the last gasp guys are going for the roster anyway, so make it count. 2) change as (1), above, with an increase in team roster to 55 man and a 3% increase in salary cap for the year; or... (followed in next post) "
uncle joe Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 5:15pm ET"Hey dan L,Awesome Point! I did read somewhere,a GM talking about if they do have a longer season they would need to allow a larger roster which in turn would create a better opportunity for later round and Undrafted free agents,because they get to stay on & learn the system to showcase their skills instead of being thrown around practice squads,Definately need a larger roster,Again,Nice Point DanL"
wayne Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 5:34pm ET"I'm going to side with the players on this. As a fan I can get excited about more games, but I wouldn't be too happy if my boss walked in one day and says, I'm going to add 3 more hours to your work day and, oh yeah, you're pay will remain the same....If the players are ok with it then let the games begin, but I can see this being another roadblock in the CBA."
scjoe Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 5:59pm ET"I would be ok with a 17 game schedule (3 preseason games) I think the owners would benefit most by this because of the increased concession revenue for that 17th. reg. season game as opposed to a fourth preseason game, not to mention any increased TV revenue for same. The fans would get one more "watchable" game as well. For the players there would be no real incentive though."
Danny Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 6:09pm ET"I think extending the regular season, and cut back on preseason it might give other teams a better chance to make the playoffs. I don't like New England but lets face it a 11-5 record derserves a playoff bid. and extending the season might solve that problem."
Lar Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 6:12pm ET"I do not like the eighteen games. It is only for more money, because the league is having a hard time selling out the pre-season games. How about what baseball has been doing forever... cut the prices for pre-season. With the prices of the seats today, a twenty five dollar seat for pre-season would do the league well. Plus they get to sell the fan gear, and refreshments. "
Fredfrom philly Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 9:57pm ET"I'm all for the expanded schedule but I don't really like the idea of an overseas game that would count ; you also would have to adjust the roster quite a bit (2PK & 4QB'S anybody?) But please start the season 2wks. Later; not in August & play the SB in the 3rd wk of Feb. instead of the 1st."
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 10:39pm ET"Dumb idea on all levels, I'm totally against it. Greater chance of bad injuries; longer season that takes much too long to get to playoffs, which already take too long to get to; how the hell do you know what you've got in only two exhibition games; season either has to start in August or end in February; screws up the Pro Bowl, which fans like; should I go on? Sounds like just plain greed to me."
Alan Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:43pm ET"I like the 18 game schedule rule, and the Huchili rule, but i hate these new rules for player safety. Theyre football players they know what theyre getting into. It's a risk they take every day, But its killing the game of football. Its impossible to Make a big hit without getting fined for it. Face it Football isnt Football without the nasty Hits, the men with the suits need to stop. "
Donal Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 12:25am ET"I agree with The Iron Marshal in that there should be a seventeen-week schedule. I would also add a second bye week (which would extend the season to 18 weeks & rest the players), suit up all 53 players to play, and play three preseason games. Two games are insufficient to accomplish the mission. I never understood the rationale of paying eight players each week to be on the inactive list."
Ray Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 1:29am ET"Row, thus the point about increasing the roster limit. they could either A) allow teams until the third game to reduce their roster, or B) permanently increase the roster size since with two more games there would definitely be more injuries. I agree with you completely about the other changes. It is the sissification of the NFL."
Anthony978 Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 1:33am ET"old time green im actually from lowell mass .. im 17 years young and im interested .. the jets were in lowell mass? "
carmelo anguilla Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 11:31am ET"i would love to see an 18 game season. more season less pre-season."
Ray Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 1:25pm ET"wayne in all reality I think the players would welcome this change. They can't stand the long preseason either. Less training camp and two more real games. They have to be there anyway so their salary shouldn't come into play."
James Coughlin Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 2:43pm ET"Lets make it fun and shoot for 21!"
Alexander Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 3:01pm ET"This is absurd. Football prides itself in such a short season because every game is meaningful. One loss could be the difference between playoffs and sitting at home. Plus if the season were to go 2 weeks more into February, warm weather teams would have more of an issue then they already do. It's a money market scheme and I think we should just keep the format as it is."
john abplanalp Said:
Sat, March 28, 2009 - 7:59pm ET"Am all in favor of the 18 game (of course, i'm looking at it ONLy from a fan's p-o-v).. Following CCY's question, without alot of stretch, it seems as if the SuperBowl COULD end up being part of a National Holliday/3 day week-end.. Next season's SB is scheduled for Sun 2/7 and Pres Day is Mon 2/15 (albeit 2/21 in'11).. Football back on Labor Day and the SB on Persident's Day would be excellent.."
JB Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 1:10pm ET"Wasn't everyone complaining about teams who clinched playoff spots early resting starters and teams already eliminated mailing it in? A longer season will mean MORE meaningless games not less. If Brady gets hurt in the 18th game instead of the first everyone will second guess. Besides we're only having this conversation because there is no control over player salaries. It's always about money ."
John Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 1:49pm ET"I say it's time to stop wasting time and go to an eighteen game schedule. Most fans know that the preseason is a joke. The preseason was to give the players real game time exposure but that has become a joke because the only players to see any action typically are the players that will not make the squad. I say go to eighteen games which will bring in more fans which means more revenue."
Dick Davies Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 2:29pm ET"17 or 18 games are fine. However all gate receipts and TV/Radio income should be assigned to all the older guys that don't have the annuities and pensions that have been given in the las 10 to 20 years."
Budman Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 3:17pm ET"The more meaningful games, the better. Especially if they play into Feb."
john316 Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 4:50pm ET"18 games, preferably all in the US. 2 preseason games is enough to evaluate the talent on a team and players can still earn some time impressing the coaches in practice. "
Fred Snyder Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 7:09pm ET" I've been a Jets fan for 30 years. The Fall season and football are food for my soul. Let's keep it a special time, let's always leave them wanting more. That is what sets football apart. Haven't we all recently seen what greed does to a good thing? 16 games is enough. "
Fran'scan Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 8:35pm ET"Really cannot understand how anybody (other than the players) are against an 18 team season. Someone above mentioned two bye weeks which is a brilliant idea.These guys get paid more money in 1 year than many of us will make in 20 or 30 so i have no problem making them sweat a bit more for our passion. call it greed or what you like, football is this country's pasttime and deserves a longer season."
mrbill Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 9:23pm ET"Sure, they're making us pay for the 10 games to begin with so why not make it count. But how about an extra bye week so these teams have a chance to rebound from games overseas and from those east coast west coast and back; which likes to happen to the JETS alot. Another point of contention to me is that the new stadium will not have a dome so we never get a Superbowl- lets play in the cold-n-wet"
Anonymous Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 10:06pm ET"I think that they should change to 18 game schedules and stop wasting our time. I also think that its time to give clowney the chance that he has been waiting for."
Daniel Langdon Jr Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 10:30pm ET"Are you kidding me? More Jet games for me to watch? Hell yes do i want an 18 game schedule. The offseason is the longest time of my life, i love jet football and yes i would love to watch j-e-t-s football under the t-rex era for 2 more games. Please bring it on!!!"
Luis from Olathe KS Said:
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 11:33pm ET"I think is a great idea to add two more games if team roster can be increase to compensate for the hardship. Also change the post season, eliminate wild cards, and have an eight team playoffs per conference. Go Jets!!!!!"
Joeboombaatz Said:
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 2:11pm ET"J.........E.......T.......S.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST END THE SEASON"
kenolarry Said:
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 2:59pm ET"Nock off the pre season games and lets play ball. 18 games of real football is the answer. Lets go J E T S"
Ernie from Montville Said:
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 3:33pm ET"I have been a Jet fan since back in the Nameth days. I believe an 18 game season is great! We play meaningless exhibition games now. Play only 2 and make the remaining 18 count for real."
Dublin Jet Niall Said:
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 5:56pm ET"As someone who has paid out many thousands of $$$ atttending games in the past I dream about the notion of seeing the Jets closer to home(London at least). Of course, I would like to be selfish and have us as the "away" team so that we don't lose home field advantage. Given the speed that the tickets have sold out the past 3 years Ira, i'm afraid the notion of international games is here to stay."
James Marriott of the Marriott's Said:
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 7:42pm ET"16 games are more than enough. I wonder how high the injury factor increases each season with the addition of 2 games. You'll probably wind up with Jim Sorgi starting in the Super Bowl. What fan wants to pay $$$$ to see that?!?!?"
Jack Brokenshire Said:
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 9:53am ET"Hi I think that the league shouldn't change the schedule it works with 16 games as it so why change something that is clearly working? I am a fan of football in England and have been to the Wembley games played here and I would be against a 2nd game over here a season that has been proposed as it would take away from the 1st game as it is something we look forward to but next year bring the Jets!"
Corkman Said:
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 10:02am ET"Dublin Niall are you living in Ireland presently? I am also a Jet fan here in Ireland....."
RICHK Said:
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 11:23am ET"Ok so we are going to expand the season for the benefit of overseas promotion. Enough already, we are the fans, allways have been and allways will. I dont want to see the Jets play in Japan, China, Australia, or anywhere else for that matter. Its our game, our teams, and our ECONOMY! If you want more meaningfull games, drop a pre-season game and add a round to the playoffs! Everbody wins! "
Brent L Barbour Said:
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 1:35pm ET"16 weeks is enough bone crushing hits and wear and tear on guys to see the devastating effects it has on rosters by the end of the season. Goodell is only thinking of $$, and not the interests of the players or their health. "
Richard Stock Said:
Tue, March 31, 2009 - 3:07pm ET"With the thoughts of possibly the Jets using Cortland for training it really makes me so happy..our community is in a need for a shot in the arm such as us being able to watch the training . Some really good aspects of their being here would be the closeness to the major highway (route 81) hotels right off the exit as well for visitors, restaurants that are affordable and good country fresh air. "
sal Said:
Wed, April 1, 2009 - 10:21am ET"all it would of meant last year we would have lost another game, gezz why not make it 20, last man standing wins, by December they are beatin down, thats why all these changes, to save plaerys for longer seasons, let just make it a flag leaguge and play all season, greed its spoils everything we cherish"
christ like Said:
Thu, April 2, 2009 - 11:12am ET"I think it woud be good for the fans and players, econimic growth as well. The NFL is the biggest sport right now, and we cant get enough, so i think we should add more preseason games and regular season games."
SUE BAYER Said:
Mon, April 20, 2009 - 10:02am ET"the ny jets just built a new stadium in nj, they just built a 75 million dollar faculty in nj and i couldnt wait to finally see them. then they decided to go to cortland, ny to train. whats wrong with the new places you just spend my hard earn money on & yours????? why spend more? if the jets have so much money to waste, then lower the season ticket prices!!! "
Randy Lange Said:
"Sue, please see the news story that we just posted on newyorkjets.com announcing our plans for training camp at Cortland but also for "Jets Week" in June at the Atlantic Health Training Center and for open practices at the AHTC and at Hofstra University in August."
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Ira Said:
Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:34am ET"Randy, The 18 game schedule is a no brainer. With all the OTA's and mini-camps 2 preseason games are enough to evaluate players. But i am dead against a game at a neutral site and especially overseas. The NFL doesn't need to branch out of the USA. One thing they must do when they go to an 18 game sked is up the active players to 53 or even 58 on gameday. Otherwise the injuries will pile up."
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