EA: Cowher 'Not a Candidate for the Position'
Published: Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:16am ET
By Eric Allen
Allen is the senior managing editor of newyorkjets.com. He is in his ninth season with the Jets.
File Under: Brian Schottenheimer, Bruce Speight, Bill Callahan, Steve Spagnuolo, bill cohwer
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12/31 — The Jets reached out to Bill Cowher about their head coaching vacancy but were informed Tuesday night that Cowher has politely removed his name from the list of potential candidates.
"After reaching out to Coach Cowher's representatives, we were informed tonight that he is not a candidate for the position," said Jets team spokesman Bruce Speight.
According to a source familiar with conversations, the talks never advanced to a point of scheduling a formal interview and material items such as structure, money and length of contact were never discussed.
The Jets promised a thorough search, so it should come as no surprise that they placed a call to Cowher's representatives.
"We will be very, very thorough," said Jets owner Woody Johnson on Monday, "and select somebody that can succeed Eric [Mangini] and build on the good foundation that he and people in management have built."
Whoever is interviewed and ultimately gets the head coach's office, Johnson has made it clear he believes in the separation of coach and GM duties. During his news conference, the chairman/CEO said of having one man do both jobs:
"I've watched this, from a business standpoint and from a football standpoint. It's too much. There's no way that you can do it, in my opinion, and really do it, because you're always relying on somebody else. You may think that you have the power, but you can't make those discerning decisions. There' s just too much work to do and be a coach."
The team plans to talk to a number of strong candidates, one of whom is said to be Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who reportedly will be interviewed Saturday.
Update, 9:17 a.m.: The Jets have also set up interviews for their vacant head-coaching position with two coaches on their offensive staff, coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and assistant head coach/offensive line Bill Callahan.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (138)JetsWin1 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:41am ET"And now it already begins to look as though the Jets made a rushed decision in firing Mangini. The fact that Shanahan may have fallen into their laps tonight is the only thing that can save them from looking like bumbling fools. The collapse stunk but Mangini deserved for next year to serve as the referendum on his tenure. They more than doubled their win total for crying out loud!"
JetsWin1 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:46am ET"Please don't bring in another hot, flavor of the month, up-and-coming coordinator who all deem ready to become a head coach. How many times are we going to stop and start over again??? We need an established former head coach who will bring instant credibility (i.e. - Shanahan). Watch us bring in someone who wants to change the schemes and the personnel instead! "
Row Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:48am ET"I would like to see Shanahan with a DC who is now Jacksonville's DB's coach. Spagnuolo isn't going anywhere. Schott needs to go, lets give Callahan a shot at OC, or even Westhoff!"
David Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:52am ET"Want a World Championship, Hire Steve Spagnuolo and have him bring the def line coach over, NFL Championships are won with Def and a great pass rush."
ed duignam Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:21am ET"Cant believe Mr. Johnson is letting this thing get outta control....stop the search, hire Marty Schott, tell his son to get his act together or else, tell Favre to announce his return or retire, Linemen Woody, Jenkins lose 30 pounds now, get Boldin-wave Coles, take Gholston out to the wood shed, trade B. Thomas and Shawn Ellis for high draft picks, drop Law, Poteat, Bowens, thats a start..more...."
DeFran Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:22am ET"i really think the jets should pursue Shanahan to be head coach since he could exploit your depth at rb with leon and thomas with his dominant run blocking scheme. he has the experience that we have lacked in the head coaching postion for the last 7 years i strongly believe he would be the best fit in new york. "
John Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:33am ET"Ugh... Spagnuolo. I don't have anything against the guy, but he's a 4-3 guru. If we hire him for the HC job it means he'll more-than-likely scrap our 3-4 and we'll spend two or three more years fitting square pegs in round holes until we finally get 4-3 personnel back. Such is the life of a Jets fan..."
jtgreeny Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:37am ET"good i dont want cowher....he had great coaching around him calling plays for years..atleast we know steve was the one who was calling the shots for that great giants defense"
Josh Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:09am ET"Bring in Shanahan, no matter what the cost! I'd take him over Cowher any day!"
JoshA Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:49am ET"I heard Cowher wanted to make personnel moves and bring in a few of his guys but Mike Tan may have been the issue. Look Jets, give Cowher what he wants. The man knows what he's doing! He brings the best out of players and players respect him. Mangini was a joke...and I'll laugh if Cleveland signs him. Jets have wasted too much talent with vanilla plays and calls for how many years now?!?!"
ScottinAfghanistan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:05am ET"First, I want to congratulate Penny for doing so well this year. If we were going to lose to someone, I'm happy it was to someone with as much class as he has. Secondly, I hope that the firing of Mangini does not lead to another roster overhaul that changes the defensive scheme from 3-4. I was a Mangini supporter, and wish him well in the future. (cont)"
ScottinAfghanistan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:07am ET"Finally, I'm really looking forward to how far Brett can take us next year (Ratliff that is)"
Jets Fan since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:22am ET"Have you guys thought of numbering the entries so when folks check to see if their entry has posted they can navigate the list more easily? That aside, Cowher's obviously a great coach but I'd still be happy with Shanahan and have had enough of Parcells' ADD when it comes to team loyalty. Now that we know Favre apparently had a serious injury for half the year, we'll all think more clearly."
jak, 22 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 5:06am ET" WOODY J.....mike holmgren knows how to get to the playoffs and superbowl."
ablity Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 5:11am ET"there are many good coaches out there right now, marty, mike from denver, we need to calm down, try to make the right desion, another thing randy, if a new coach come in do he bring in a new staff of guys of do he stay with our staff we have here already. "
Carlito7 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 5:49am ET"Here a crazy thought, Bring Back Herm Edwards......Ok Ok that made me laugh too."
rick Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:18am ET"Noooooo!! Hire Mangini back quick!"
gojets09 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:21am ET"too bad about Bill Cower,the Jets chances for 09 would have increased greatly I think, Eric was a great coach, but some shaky call at the end there!"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:56am ET"EA, Happy New Year my man. This is too bad about Cowher. So the search goes on. Sad to say the Jets are making headlines and they're not playing football but i have faith that they will make the best choice and move on. Everybody have a Healthy and Happy New Year and GO JETS!!!!"
bob jets fan 45 years Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 7:13am ET"Woody you are really not interested in winning. Now that Cowher is out of the running Mike Shanahan would be the next logical choice. Your track record of picking coaches with no head coaching credentials is lousy. I mean assistant coaches. You need a coach with that experience. If you want to really want get the fans back you`ll hire somebody like Shanahan. Otherwise this team is doomed ."
CEDRIC Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 7:59am ET"HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY.......Hope we Bag the Spag!!!!"
Brock1118 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:02am ET"Happy New Year everyone. I think the way the Jets are going about choosing a new head coach is a smart one. Mangini did a good job and will be missed, but I think we need a coach with experience, and I totally agree with Bob Jets fan 45, Mike Shanahan, if he can be signed, would be the best option out there with Cowher now off the table."
JeffCUK Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:12am ET"Only way Jets get anything done in the next 3 years is if Woody admits he made a huge mistake and begs Eric to come back. There's a saying that pride comes before a fall and Woody clearly has an enormous ego......... so many good things about the Jets since Mangini took over......this fan is looking for a team to love........ all I see is a franchise about to completely self destruct."
Ira Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:19am ET"bob, I agree Shanahan would be my next choice followed by Marty. I DO NOT want a 1st year HC. The Jets are built to run the ball and Shanahan is perfect for that plus he is great with QB's and the Jets will have a new one either this year or next. One thing is that Shanahan would have to bring in a good DC because that has been his problem the best few years."
jasonjet Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:29am ET"We definitely need a head coach with NFL experience, as all aspects of game,offense-defense-special teams, broke down in last five games. We need better receivers and better tacklers on defense. Sign Matt Cassell who proved he can win games as a starter. I have problem pinning our hopes on a 40 yr. old QB, even if it is Brett Favre. Serious decisions need to be made and made now. "
Willie T Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:36am ET"God HELP us all if they are looking at Marty Shottenheimer!!!!!!! STAY AWAY. We already had our version of "Marty Ball" Collapses in NY via his sons offensive play calling. They are both alike, father and son. They gey to a certain point and cannot proceed through th playoffs. Just look at what he did in SD. OUCH!"
FixFarve Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:37am ET"How bout the MOOCH!!! Great Friends With Farve!!!"
Aaron112row5 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:50am ET"Sorry Woody..............You want to keep Favre to put fannys in those seats and sell those psl's. But I doubt you will find a head coach worth his weight that will tolerate having no say in who will be the starting QB. Maybe Holmgren. Maybe Shanahan. But what have they done lately? They have gotten old -like our QB. Wise-up and give me back my seat!!!!!! $700 tix??PSL for WHAT????"
Raf Man Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:00am ET"Randy ,Where is the ravens old coach ? How come Bill's name has not been mentioned. Do you think he would come back to coaching ?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Raf Man, you're talking about Brian Billick? I can't give you any information on whether he is or is not interested in the job."
Frank Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:10am ET"Shanahan got fired for his job as GM not as coach. He is a great coach and someone we need to talk to. He clearly had too much on his plate being the GM and Coach and was not good in his GM duties. I think if he just concentrated on coaching he is the best canidate with experience out there. I would love to see Spagnuolo paired up with Marty or Shanahan that would be awesome."
harborrat Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:10am ET"i understand that the jets want to do a "thorough search" in finding their new coach....but unless they get a quarterback and a wide receiver over 6' tall(don't give me brad smith, he's a quarterback playing wr) oh yeah and a pass rush randy might as well be the coach cuz it really isnt going to matter.....the problem this year is we traded for a 39 yr old qb...fans thought it was 28 yr old brett"
manny Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:11am ET"I think Mangini did a great job but i think we need a coach with good experience to turn this team around on defence and offence , i dont think the defence coach for the giants is not a good candidate , if they do get him we back to square one , we need to spark up this offence and play offence like the west coast do so lets hope the jets make a good decision and a smart one i think bill cowher is"
Mike- Hauppauge Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:19am ET"I agree with letting mangini go...he has that willie randolph swagger about him, both were under great head coaches (managers) and they thought being a carbon copy of them was the way to go. I just hope the Jets make a good choice, I cant take much more of this broken heart Jets fan for many more seasons. And also good for Chad! Great season and deserves the pro bowl!"
Pete Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:20am ET"Regarding Cowher,,,, don't take no for an answer! Put on a full court press!!!"
uncle joe Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:20am ET"Westoff would be my coach if he wanted the job.The players respond to him and I would love to watch him screaming at refs next year.I don't think Sutton was the problem.Our D always plays with a short field because of Farve and if Mangini got him another DB instead of GHOLSTON our D would be awesome!It was Mangini's job to tell Sutton to blitz or maybe he told him NOT TO!"
uncle joe Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:25am ET"Randy,do you know if Westoff is being considered or if he even wants to coach?"
Eric Allen Said:
"I don't know the answer to that, uncle joe."
Frank Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:28am ET"Hey Cedric good to see your back in the fold. You went MIA on us for several weeks everything OK?"
JR Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:39am ET"I think we should fire Johnson and Tann both. Seems like that duo is the problem. Should never have let Parcells get away inthe first place! Still haunting us isn't it? Brett is a great guy...wide open all the time even at 40. Put Clemmens on the street, hire Cassell from NE and get someone to teach receivers how to catch. Franchise Leon today!! Wake up the defense, like they played in Tenn."
Howard Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:41am ET"HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL and heres hope that the JETS and Woody make the right move in bringing in a head coach that will bring in a championship BE HEALTHY EVERYONE"
Jetsman Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:44am ET"NOW all the Mangini supporters come out. Where were you when the Jets lost 4 out of their last 5 and everybody was calling for Mangini's head? Anyways lets hope we can get Spagnuolo, Happy New Year!"
ed duignam Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:51am ET"also have noticed that it is only on Eric Allen's blogs that i get that my valid posts get screened out....so....Eric, if you dont believe in freedom of expression within the bounds of lawful speech, your in the wrong buisness...Randy please address this problem, Eric this is the USA not CUBA!.....NO CENSORSHIP PLEASE!"
Randy Lange Said:
"ed, I generally make the calls on comments and I made the calls on your recent comments. Only one of your recent comments was not posted. In it you referred to "counting the beans," which is anti-Semitic in my book. You may agree or disagree, but that comment is not going up."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:04am ET"I know you guys are going to say I am crazy but I do not want Parcells he is a short term guy & he will leave us high & dry. I want a experienced head coach with a proven track record that will give us a long term commitment "
mr.brett Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:04am ET"I think Denver was off their rocker getting rid of Shanahan after all of the injuries this last season, and should be seriously considered. Although, Spagnuolo is a good consideration too considering the cornerstones we have on D already. I will however stay away from NY city when riots break out because we stink next season with Schottenheimer or Callahan at the helm. Anybody but those 2! "
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:06am ET"Here's what it is Knowing we had the AFC East wrapped up with just 2 wins out of the last 5 games to go ..& Mangini knew Favre included ..About being hurt they should have the guts to sit him at least till the playoffs .. That's the tough decisions good & g8 coaches have to make & probably cost us the season in spite of all the other bad decisions he has made.. There are 3 other QBS on the team"
Michael Rivera Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:08am ET"The Jets absolutely need to snatch up Shanahan. Hiring one of the assistant coaches would be no better then keeping Mangini. This guy would bring a winning resume and a reputation as a brilliant play caller to a team that was just plain outcoached seven times this season, including teams they should have crushed."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:19am ET"Randy why isn't Dick Le beau's name thrown out there is he not available or what? Next I believe Ellis & Thomas are so overrated there not even close to the leaders at the position & that's 1 main reason no pass rush Jenkins can't do it alone & as a result he got hurt.. Law & Lowery can't get it done Potete Barton & Cole's Show up only 50% of the time .. That has to change next season"
wayne Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:34am ET"Good, No Cowyher.We don't need Shanahan either.He's done nothing since Terrell Davis and Elway.He's also gone through more QBs than us.The next coach should be either Spagnuolo or Rex Ryan. Young(relatively),aggressive,proven defensive coaches who BLITZ COMING OFF THE BUS,who will run the ball.The guys everyone is falling in love with are looking for big paydays.The crowd ALWAYS gets it wrong."
Joe Willie Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:34am ET"Jeff Jet, thanks for paying attention. David: Amen! Why is is so hard for everyone to see value of pass rush, when it results in every SB victory. Yes, Spag's coaching philosophy is our ticket to a championship. Frank, you should know better: Shanahan is not such a genius w/out Elway, and benefited tremendously by the altitude for all those 4th quarter comebacks when opponents were sucking wind."
frank Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:38am ET"I cannot believe that the Jets would even remotely consider Schottenheimer for ANY job. He makes Kotite look good. Both Sutton & Shotty should have been firted with Eric, or keep Eric and fire them!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:40am ET"Now that Cowher is out I think we should go for Shannan or Marty Schott."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:45am ET"I want Favre back he did not have enough time with us to get ready for the season & build chemistry with the guys also he was hurt we were 8 & 3 then he got hurt & played poorly the last 5 games lets see what he can do with a whole off season with us, healthy, with good coaching & a better D "
JET4REAL Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:46am ET"well wasn't meant to be, i wonder what he is thinking, or maybe the raise with fox kept him in the easy seat. whats a few million here to a millionare making a few million there anyway ?? or does he have the god like complex from his superbowl win any way lets get a new head coach who could lead us to some palyoff action"
Southernlady Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:56am ET"Good for you, Randy and Eric! "
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:58am ET"Well Woody this is another fine mess you got us into.Looks as if we jumped the gun on Mangini. A- the players liked him, B- there is no viable replacement now, C- he was told he could build this team. I like Ray, do not want Shanahan, he is a dirty coach. Anyone who is hired now will be a second choice. Tanwoody should should have investigated the lay of the land before letting Eric go."
Draz Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:58am ET"Coaches coach, Mngt looks after player personnel and owners sign the pay cheques. Coaches decide who will play. Bad move move on part of the Jets to release to the media that they want Favre back as a QB. You basically are limiting your perspective coaching pool."
pk Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:03am ET"hey eric and randy is there any living relative of Weeb Ewbank out there who coaches football? Let's face it he's the only coach who won it all for the Jets so let's get one of his relatives yeahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!"
John Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:07am ET"Woody is foolish = what does he know about whether or not Cowher could handle both jobs. He blew it and we will be talking about this for years. If we miss out on Shanahan too you might as well burn those tickets because nothing is gonna change."
Dominic Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:07am ET"Bring in Shanahan! great coach and he knows how to work with older QB's he would do the same with Farve. Amazing that he was ever let go and the two of them working together even better, Shanahan would make every coach on the team better to, Spagnulo does not have Shanahan track record think about how Shanahan could put any running back in his offense and make them a star think about Leon with him"
charleyjet Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:10am ET"Jets will have to take a first time HC because Woody insists his yes-man Mr. T keep his job. That and Woody's man-crush on Favre scared Cowher away."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:11am ET" Note to Ed Duignam, your not going to slip anything past Randy. I have been posting here for over a year & have been nonposted only once for a very funny southern lady joke. I have learned you need to be creative & ambiguous if you wish to slip anything questionable in. Unfortunately most posters won't understand your subliminal funnies.Don't cry if you don't get posted,just stay within the rules"
joe b Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:13am ET"Eric..What draft pick do we lose for the Favre trade. Also, what draft picks do we receive for Vilma & Robertson."
Randy Lange Said:
"joe b, reports have stated that the trade with Green Bay for Brett Favre will cost us a third-rounder. Other reports have speculated on the Vilma and Robertson trades, but you'll have to find those reports. Both were conditional trades and I don't have any information on if the conditions were met or can still be met."
Hogan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:25am ET"The only coach from our staff even worth considering is Westy. If it is true Cohwer only wont come here because of Favre, get him out of here. Coach is much more important, wether you like #4 or not."
TnJetsFan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:26am ET"I was sorry to hear Cowher backed off, but oh well. I think Mike Shanahan would be a great pick here. He knows offense - especially the running game - and would know what to do with weapons like Leon Washington and Dustin Keller."
jbo Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:26am ET"Why has NOBODY said anything about B. Schott. or Sutton? They are BOTH the worst coords I've ever seen. That play calling was half the reason we are in this spot. I will be VERY upset with this organization if either one of them remains on the staff. Schottenheimer would have been the first to go. Right before Sutton. "
Michael Zavoski Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:26am ET"Mr. Lange, I think Joe Namath should be considered for the head coach position. It's obvious that the football experience is there while the coaching experience may not be. Namath IS the New York Jets! Game films from 1968 prove it! It can't be worse than some coaches from the last 20 years. From a business perspective the PSLs would be justified. It's worth a phone call."
russ Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:28am ET"Cowher was not the fit Jet fans think too many quick solution guys always making the Jets the Football Mets...never winning always whining...Why not just build a solid program of winning football like Schottenheimer will give you and stop thinking about Super Bowl...Instant success is a losers dream..."
Tanner Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:28am ET"that was quick, guess we werent really interested in him. Lets go after shanahan.or parcells."
Joe Section 124 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:36am ET"Cowher had to to be everybodys #1 on their list with Marty Schott #2. With Shanahan out in DEN, it still doesn't change. Show me what Shanahan has done without John Elway. 10 years, 1-4 playoff record, 1 division championship, 24-24 over last 3 years with a major collapse. No thank you. Get us Marty. We would have no right to complain about a guy who gets his team in the playoffs every year"
John Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:42am ET"Randy, Your off the mark on this "Bean Counter" thing. It has absolutely no religeous relevance whatsoever. Look it up. The term is used to describe one who is more concerned with the financial aspects of an operation than it's actual product / outcome. Your interpretation of the statement does however offer insight into personal views....interesting but keep it neutral."
Randy Lange Said:
"Sorry, John, but I have Jewish and non-Jewish acquaintainces who are insulted by the phrase. It's gratuitious and the phrase isn't going up on this site."
Steve Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:59am ET"Football isn't always about X' and O's... It's also the responsibility of the coach to motivate and inspire his players, which I don't think Mangini did. If the coach doesn't have any visible fire and passion, how do you expect the players to have any? I think Cower would have brought that to this team. There is nothing wrong with a coach getting upset with his players when they don't perform. "
Drew Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:07pm ET"Sounds like the players are getting Mangini's back and almost taking slight shots at Favre, It seems like Favre was handled with kid gloves and the players didnt love it..... I dont mind Spagnolo but again I dont think Woody is going 1st year coach again. I like Shanny but he has been crushed because of some awful defense play in recent years. He would need a TOP defensive coach to succeed. "
John Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:10pm ET"Favre is going to be 40... isn't it time we moved on?"
jvan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:11pm ET"All we have to do is look at the season Chad had in Miami to understand that something is wrong with the Jets coaching staff. I feel Eric Mangini was not the problem and Schottenheimer is the root of all our issues. If he is placed at the top in 2009 we might as well not watch!!! "
mikod Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:15pm ET"woody...this franchise should have one mission....recruit staff and players, train and prepare, motivate and dedicate and commit themselves to beat the patriots twice in on year.and maintain that edge for the season (coach's job)...Do this and you'll fill your stadium during the regular season and during the playoff's. the road goes through NE. stars don't sell tickets, wins do get it right "
ed duignam Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:25pm ET"Randy, get with it man.....a "bean counter" is the most widely used description of an accountant/auditor, which is exactly what Tannenbaum is good at, you my friend brought the Jewish backdrop to the conversation....i dont mind a little "pc" , but your wrong on this one.....also, i feel insulted by your insinuation that i would ever post an ethnic/racial derogatory on this board...ED!"
Randy Lange Said:
"ed, we can all be indignant here. I'm the home-plate umpire on the Radar, not something I like being, but there it is. I call the pitches as I see them as they come in. No offense was intended toward you, nor do I suspect you of being. You asked a question about why your comment was posted and I answered. Whatever the intent, the phrase is insulting and it's not being posted."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:53pm ET"In my opinion any coach who wants full control knowing it's not feasible & usually won't work is more worried about his ego then the team .. NEXT"
Section 309 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:06pm ET"Brian Schottheimer is not part of the solution, he's been always part of the problem, time to clean the entire slate. Get rid of him and don't even consider any asst coaches, start fresh, Marty Schott is not the answer either. We have been here too many times with little results. Do this right Woody, opened your wallet again and bring back the pride in this club & a Superbowl"
Steve Bailey Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:06pm ET"Oh yea bring in Schottenheimer that is sooooo JETS take the biggest problem and make HIM head coach tje JETS problem #1 is the crappy offensive game plan they employ...dink & dunk infair weathewr games BUT when the weather turns baaad let's go downfield...bring in a candidate with real credentials"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:15pm ET"Joe, The one good thing about Shanahan is that he always has that great running game which the Jets are built for. And he is great at developing QB's and the Jets will be doing that either this year or in 2010. I am on board for either Marty or Mike. GO JETS!!!!"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:28pm ET"Congrats to Chad for winning the Comeback Player of the Year Award. Its his second time and first to win it twice since the 11 years they have had it. His 07 season he played on a very bad ankle and no o-line. Oh well i wish him well nad hope his plays well in the playoffs."
john szeligowski jr. Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:30pm ET"My worry with Marty Schottenheimer is that his son Brian, our offensive coordinator will definitely stay. He's done most of the offensive play calling for us and he stinks. He does not know how to work with the talent he has and it's obvious he doesn't know what he wants to do in tough situations. Jets should've gotten rid of him first."
supercooljetfan Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:38pm ET"i hope the jets dont get marty he never wins playoff games....whoever our new coach may be hopefully he dont go back to the 4-3 and rebuild our defense again...everyone have a safe and happy new years maybe 2009 will be our season haa"
Young Jet Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:45pm ET"BRIAN BILLICK anyone the ravens old coach"
andrew Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:51pm ET"steve spagnuolo for the win!!!!"
Rich Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:09pm ET"Please- not Brian Schottenheimer! I feel that his play calling was a much more problematic than Eric Mangini's coaching. Not only should Schottenheimer not be a head coach, he shouldn't be an offensive coordinator. "
Chris Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:14pm ET"They must sign Bill Cowher if they want to turn this team around once and for all. Hiring an untested coach will only prolong the agony for Jets Fans. With the opening of the new stadium they need to sign Cowher. "
Matthew Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:32pm ET"I agree with Rich....Not Brian Schottenheimer. His play calling was a big let down this year."
BC Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:36pm ET"Randy, looks like you and Ed are in a "Mexican stand-off" over the term "bean counter." "
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:50pm ET"Why would Shannahan, who is owed like 20 million, coach here for 5 mil? Why would anyone want Shanahan after the cheesy display of making his players lay on the field to stop the clock? Remember Shanahan & his teaching of chop blocks?He is bad for the sport in my eyes & I would rather have Kotite or Holz than Shanahan. There is a right way to win & I want to be proud of my team."
HOF4 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:54pm ET"I would love to see them work something out with Tampa, and bring in Gruden. With Monte Kiffin gone, they might as well bring in a whole new staff, meanwhile, Favre/Gruden could run the west coast offense beautifully, and mix in the power running game with Jones...as Gruden loves to "pound that rock"!"
ed duignam Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:58pm ET"also Randy there were three posts.....if this board is going to go soft on the issues, then i will be gone from here....one of my posts also talked about smoking pot, Marijuana is a depressant and i truly believe its use is rampant in the Pro Sports society, quite evident by recent arrests of some very popular athletes....i also believe the use of marijuana shows up in performance, lets be honest! "
Randy Lange Said:
"ed, you can be gone or not. That's your choice. As I said, only one of your recent comments was declined for posting. If others came in, I didn't see them. This one's going up, so I guess it's OK."
Step Up Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:58pm ET"GIVE COWHER WHAT HE WANTS, ENOUGH ALREADY. STOP BEING A SECOND CLASS ORGANIZATION......."
Glen Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:58pm ET"Tannenbaum should be fired immediately for making the decision to fire Mangini before the smoke had cleared and the reason for the collapse was found. This is a lesson to Woody to never blame the head coach until all the facts are in front of him. No quality coach will sign here because they want full personnel control. Tannenbaum will not give it. Bring back Mangini, period."
bill Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:03pm ET"cowher coaching the jets? you've got a better chance at winning a super bowl!!!!!!!!"
markjet413 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:07pm ET"I'am with Rich, Please don't hire Brian Schottenheimer back. His play calling the last 5 games Had too be some of the worst I,ve seen in years. That Seattle game, We ran Thomas Jones how many times???? Should have been at least 25. The stupid trick plays/empty back fields/ Too much on old Brett /ect....Lets start thinking a little younger. GO- JETS"
Gruden Favre Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:11pm ET"We need to work out a deal with Tampa and bring in Gruden. With Monte Kiffin gone, they can just get a whole new staff, meanwhile, Gruden/Favre would run the west coast beautifully. You know he wanted Favre last year."
Deep Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:15pm ET"Hey randy, i read in a paper a while back that the saints got vilma and shocky for the same pick. If vilma play 80% of the plays on Def. we get the pick. If It's shocky that play 80% of the plays on Ofen. the gaints get that pick. If you find out something please keep me updated. I'll check back. "
Randy Lange Said:
"Deep, that was an issue, I recall, but if Vilma is not re-signing with the Saints immediately as has been reported, I believe the conflict disappears."
Michael Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:25pm ET"hey randy how do you get the cap room for the jets that can go up?? so they could get better free agents.I heard the jets cap room is about 4 to 6 million is that true?i hope not thats not a lot of money to get big free agents liek they did last year."
Randy Lange Said:
"Michael, sometimes espn.com posts the salary cap figures from around the league, but we on newyorkjets.com don't have access to that information. On that subject, I only know what I read in the papers."
Toon88 Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:40pm ET"I think Mangini should have gotten one more year but Woody didn't ask for my opinion. Cowher would have been ideal but you all know how that went. Where to go now? Two choices in my opinion. Spags or Marty. Don't tell me about Marty's playoff record...you gotta be in it to win it and he consistently gets into the Playoffs. If no to him then you can't be afraid of Spags because of other HC failures"
Kevin Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 3:52pm ET"I want Cowher because he will not take any crap from any player. To bad the man crush on Favre has chased him away. Typical Jet fashion. I hope thats not true. If our OC is a problem why would we hire his dad because he will keep him on!!! I am not sure what the Jets will do (neither do they) but I am sure it will not work out. Lessons learned as a Jet fan. No rush 4 next year Favre please go!"
Bill Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:06pm ET"I've got to agree with Chris. Woody needs to make whatever concessions it takes to bring Cower to the JETS. A veteran team will have far more respect for a head coach who brings the type of winning record he has to the franchise. "
barbara Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:17pm ET"YES....Brian Schottenheimer or Bill Callahan would be a WIN for the superbowl....also i am not taking back my suggestion for carlos woods, of the colts, as a head coach or in some capacity for our team. also, since i am a favre fan from green bay to jets...we packer fans know that brett was not used to the best of his abilities, for his talents. don't hate on him. go watch the old packer games"
scjoe Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:31pm ET"I hope what I hear about Woody Js medling won't have an effect on hiring a decent HC. We see what happens in Oakland, Washington, and maybe even Dallas. So, to Woody, please stay out of the football end of the business and leave it to the GM and the HC."
Jets Fan since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 4:56pm ET"Hey Randy and Eric, you guys do a great job and I know we're talking football here. But since PC overkill is already rampant in this country, let me weigh in with John and Ed. I grew up in one of the most Jewish sections of New York, have worked as a pro writer for major corps on both coasts for thirty years, and I've never heard "bean counter" used to mean anything but what John said. (Cont.)"
Greg from Albany Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 5:05pm ET"Cowher is not coming, ok now what? For me Shotty has to go, not get a promotion. Offensive play calling has been atrocious. Shanahan is interesting, but he's a 4-3 guy. We have just got some key 3-4 cogs. Spags may be the best option at this point. It is unfathomable that this team has another year of turmoil to muttle through. "
Jets Fan since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 5:06pm ET"(Cont.) "Bean counter" is no worse than "clock watcher," "brass (or other) kisser," etc., absolutely NO ethnic inference. You want slurs about beans, move out here to L.A. and ask Chicanos (Mexican-Americans) what they put up with. Sure you're not thinking of "shylock," derived from Shakespeare's THE MERCHANT OF VENICE? Whatever you call it, we need execs and coaches who know players not beans."
Greg from Albany Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 5:10pm ET"Let's all get a grip, Gruden is not coming here. I'm all for day dreaming but come on."
Tanner Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:25pm ET"Go after a head coach with experience!!!Dont go after these assistant coaches. the past three people we has as HC got us no where with no HC experience. Except Herm when we lost a heartbreaking game to the steelers (Doug Brien). Also doesnt it make sence to go with someone that plays with the same defense we have?"
Jazz Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:34pm ET"The Jets are loaded with talent. There is no reason for them not making the playoffs this year other than a coaching letdown. Strategy is only part of the coaches' responsibilities. They need to impress discipline and urgency on the players, too. Having said that, this was only Mangini's second year as a head coach. I thought one more season was in order."
Bucket Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:52pm ET"The problem with Mangini was the decision making, game strategy and overall motivation. The team suffered from his leadership toward the end of season and in prior playoff appearances. Cowher is a great coach. Spags may be a good defensive guy, but is an unproven coach when game decisions and clock management are necessary. Some other candidates are overated too....like Holgren and Shanahan."
Uncle Kevin Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:55pm ET"I think Marty is the man hands down. He is a player's coach who can motivate anyone to win! His mentality in preparation is what this team needs. His speeches are corny but he knows how to prepare for a battle. The Jets need a new mentality and a young QB. Brett Ratliff seems to be more promising than Kellen. Favre needs to go home and do commentating. You can't beat youth. Next year playoffs!"
james zoggas Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 6:55pm ET"they needed to fire mangini and we need to get rid of bret"
TonyR Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:00pm ET"Happy new year and thanks for such a great forum for Jets fans. I have to admit, Shanahan sounds like he would be the perfect fit for the Jets. I'd like to see that happen."
Daniel W Serrao Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:41pm ET"I think Marty Schottenheimer would be the way to go. He is an excellent coach with a great record. His big knock has always been his playoff record. San Diego was crazy to get rid of him. Jets fans should be happy if he was the chosen one."
Jetsman Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:49pm ET"Are you kidding me?? Shannahan is a TERRIBLE defensive coach we NEED Spagnuolo. Our defense is terrible as it is we don't want to make it the absolute worst. Shannahan won those Super Bowls because of John Elway and the offense. His defense was mediocre at best. Spagnuolo will fix our holes in the defense, and with an iron-hard defense we can win anything."
Tanner Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:41pm ET"Go after Shanahan and shottenheimer at least with HC experience.Happy New Year Randy and the Rest of the Jets Fans!!!09's the year for the JETS!!!"
mike Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:56pm ET"I don't think shanahan would make any sense at all he is just offensive minded and does not care about the defense. right now nobody out there would be a fit as of yet. GO GANG GREEN"
jericho cotchery Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 10:57pm ET"i thought cower was the man for the job i guess not, i also thought Marty Schottenheimerwas a more likely candidate then his son brian, i also think mike shanahan is a great candidate now because the broncos let him go. but mangini defonetly did his time if anything too much time"
John Leahy Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 4:24am ET"10 carries for TJ in Phish game on a very windy day?! 16 carries for TJ in the blizzard at Seattle?! Schottenheimer for Head Coach: Ha! Ha! He should've been fired a month ago. Richardson had 3 carries for TWENTY-EIGHT yds on the first drive in Seattle: what would you have done? He never carried again. Sutton's overly cautious, not terrible. 0 1st Half Penalties on Opp last 3 games? Suspicious..."
Abe Silverstein Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 10:27am ET"vhat, vhat, enuff with da beans already."
Jetsman Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 11:42am ET"I think Schottenhiemer should be fired immediately! He is a terrible play caller and Mangini did nothing to fix it! To all who are wondering why Schottenhiemer didn't call many runs in terrible weather, maybe it was because he only cares about the RB stats like average yards per carry? T Rich should of ran the ball a ton more against seattle same with TJ, Leon is always blocking get him catching!"
Zartan Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 12:18pm ET"Randy,your comments where Very Hitleress.I realize now that it's Randy's radar and not the jets blog.This site is the main site for jet fans and we the ppl made you too powerfull.Your blog is going strong but some1 will give the ppl what they want."
sal Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 6:19pm ET"DONT WORRY RANDY, UNLIKE MANGINI WE GOT YOUR BACK"
sal Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 6:26pm ET"tHERE IS NO WAY TO MOTIVATE PLAYERS THAT DONT MIND LOSING, I THINK THIER CALLED LOSERS, MANGINIS PROBLEM WAS EITHER NOT REALIZING A PROBLEM OR NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM IN THE LOCKER ROOM. THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TEAM, PLUS A REAL BAD DEFENSIVE & OFFENSIVE COORIDINATORS, MANGINI NEEDED TO GET RID OF THE PROBLEMED PLAYERS, THEYLL KILL ANY TEAM"
Jetty Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 7:59pm ET"PLEASE DON'T HIRE BILL CALLAHAN!!!!!!!"
Rick Roucoulet Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 8:41am ET"Why else did Mangini bring in retired sports players & boxing trainers 2 motivate his players? He just couldnt motivate his team because he didnt have it in him (NOT IN HIS CHARACTER) he was more of a friend than a coach - Whoever takes the HC job, I sure hope the the players respect him but fear him - A coach not afraid 2 bench the highest paid player on the team 4 poor playing or violating rules"
mike d Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 9:16am ET"Who ever gets the coaching job, I hope they don't start Kellen Clemons he is not a nfl QB. Either draft a QB, ask Favre to comback or have Ratliff start. And they need to get on the corners and make them accountable. "
PHOTOJEG Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 1:52pm ET"NO CALLAHAN PLEASE... OR DID YOU GUYS FORGET WHAT HE DID WITH THE RAIDERS.... ANYONE BUT HIM....."
Stover Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 3:33pm ET"Why isnt mike shanahan name being thrown up in conversation those other guys arnt worth the money they want to be paid brian couldnt make our offense run right hows he suppose to coach a team"
LAG Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 11:22pm ET"Does it really matter who they choose at this point? Whoever it is will be used as a scapegoat for the front office's mistakes down the line! Farve should never have come to the Jets. Mangini should not have been fired. Ask yourselves why Chad had a great season after he left the Jets! I just want another 1969 before I die!"
Since They Were Titans Said:
Sat, January 3, 2009 - 1:43pm ET"Enough is Enough!!! No more OJT Coaches. Please someone who has been a head coach before. The Last Three (BAD EXPERIENCES) should be enough to prove that it is impossible to WIN NOW without any head coaching experience at all. Lot's of guys out there!! Shanahan, Martz etc... We have the personel on paper as we have for many, many years. What we need is solid leadership and EXPERIENCE."
Jets Fan since '64 Tom Said:
Sat, January 3, 2009 - 4:59pm ET"Hey Randy, my last word on beans: Peter Bart, Editor-in-Chief of VARIETY, just posted a column (dated 12/31 on their website) about corporations that own movie studios in which he refers to "bean counters." This is the common use of the term in business, derogatory only towards those who are too cheap to make and market a good product -- like the Jets if they don't spend for a real coach."
DGB Said:
Sun, January 4, 2009 - 12:17am ET"No matter how many decades go by, no matter how many owners, coaches, players, etc. change. the story is always the same. This team gets to the verge of making it to the promised land, and then collapes like a cheap camera. Remember the "Mud Bowl", the Kenny O'brien "mysterious finger injury", the Mark Gastineau "Chucking Penalty", The "2 Missed, Brien field Goals", Now this season's disaster."
Abe Silverstein Said:
Sun, January 4, 2009 - 10:12am ET"vhat, vhat , enuff wit da beans already, oi vey."
EyeInTheSky Said:
Tue, January 6, 2009 - 11:25am ET"Message to front office: Cowher or Shannahan are your priorities. Tannenbaum is doing a great job, its awesome that reports say he'd take a modified position to get Cowher in. That is what you do to make this team successful. True 'Jetts' fans know this & are behind you. (BTW: Brian is just not ready...yet; if you must take a Schott, make it Marty)"
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TJMGold Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 12:40am ET"well, they better find someone good and find someone quickly."
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