This Monday After Is Tougher Than Usual
Published: Mon, December 29, 2008 - 5:30pm ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Mike Tannenbaum, Eric Mangini, Woody Johnson, Jerricho Cotchery, Brandon Moore, Brett Favre, Kris Jenkins, Phillip Merling
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12/29 — I was trying to be diplomatically neutral — or was it ironically vague? — when I suggested to one of my coworkers that today's Jets developments were "interesting."
"They're not interesting," he replied with a pained smile. "This is tough."
Well, yes, it is that, too. The Jets and head coach Eric Mangini parting company today is tough indeed. Difficult on several levels.
It's tough from the personal level. Mangini is a good man, even perhaps, "a great man, period," as WR Jerricho Cotchery said.
Mangini didn't pay lip service to his belief in helping his fellow humans. He lived it, with his annual football camp for the underprivileged in his hometown of Hartford, Conn., his annual charity bowling tournament, his untiring work for the New York Jets Organization, his insistence on giving fatherhood equal footing in his life with football.
Of course, a lot of good men do good deeds without the fanfare, and Mangini's work will go on regardless of his job status. But his title of Jets head coach brought great recognition to many causes.
He even told his former players in a brief team meeting today to "embrace" their new coach, whoever he is. That's a good man.
Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum are well aware of all this and that's one of the several reasons that made today's decision to not have Mangini return for his fourth year tough.
But that's not football. And when it comes to onfield production, it's a mixed bag.
On the one hand, Mangini's rushing offensive was ranked ninth, his scoring offense was ninth, his run defense was seventh. On the other hand, his pass defense was 29th, his interception rate 32nd.
On the one hand, the Jets are one of only a dozen NFL teams that have had two winning seasons in their last three. On the other, Mangini was the first NFL coach in the last dozen seasons to have his team at 8-3 and fail to make the playoffs.
With this sea change, many players had their worlds rocked.
"Coach Mangini is the only coach I've known in the NFL," WR Brad Smith said. "He brought me in. It's kind of a shock."
"Herm drafted me, and Eric gave me a chance," said Sione Pouha, the 29-year-old fourth-year man who'd be an eminence gris if his head weren't shaved. "There are landmarks in your life, and losing them is tough."
"It's a great game, a terrible business," said Kris Jenkins, the always quoteworthy veteran nose and first-year Jet.
I've been through the good, the bad and the ugly as a Jets beat reporter and now as your humble editor-in-chief. I got a glimpse of the grim struggle of the Bruce Coslet olympiad, the one (fake-)spiked year of Pete Carroll, the two lost seasons under Richie Kotite, the near nirvana under Bill Parcells, the one-and-done of Al Groh, the Herm Edwards gift of gab and now Eric Mangini.
I'm sure I'm too close to the subject, and I'm also a hopeless nostalgic. I felt a sense of loss even for Kotite, a nice man who had one of the worst two-year reigns in NFL history. I shot hoops with Pete one summer, spent a pleasurable Ruth's Chris steak dinner next to Coach Herm one night.
None of that makes them great or good coaches. Guard Brandon Moore had a great take on today's subject at hand, saying that Mangini's departure "goes along with not accomplishing things — changes will be made. ... We all have to be held accountable. We get released when we don't live up to what we're supposed to be doing. It's part of the business."
So I know these things this evening as I finish this piece. I know Woody Johnson wants to win — for himself, sure, but for Jets fans everywhere, whom he really cares about — and if he didn't, he wouldn't have made this gut-wrenching organizational move.
And I know we all here at the Jets and in Jets Nation will embrace the new boss, whoever he is, whenever he arrives. The old boss wants it that way.
Stats All, Folks
These aren't the last of my statistical notes but they are some of the outstanding items from the 24-17 loss to Miami that should be mentioned before this completed season gets too old:
■ More Leon: Washington's 10-yard touchdown run not only gave the Jets their last lead of the season but it also put them over 400 points for the season. They finished with 405, joining the 1998 team (416) and the 1968 (419) as the only teams in franchise history to clear 400. And 239 of those 405 points were scored in first halves, a franchise record.
■ Brad Smith reached a milestone when, on the last play of Sunday's game, he hit Washington for what turned into a four-lateral, 18-yard completion. It was the first pro completion for the former Missouri QB.
■ DE Phillip Merling's interception-return TD was the eighth over the last two seasons thrown by a Jets QB. Brett Favre threw four of them this season, Chad Pennington and Kellen Clemens two apiece last year. And Merling is the first D-lineman to take a Jets QB the other way since the Jets played their home games at Shea Stadium. Here is the list of the six opposing defensive linemen who have had INT-return TDs vs. the Jets (home teams in CAPS):
| Season | Player, Team | Yards | Jets QB | Final Score |
| 1964 | Earl Faison, SD | 42 | Dick Wood | CHARGERS, 38-3 |
| 1968 | Mel Witt, BOS | 4 | Joe Namath | Jets, 47-31 |
| 1974 | Marv Upshaw, KC | 52 | Joe Namath | CHIEFS, 24-16 |
| 1975 | Pat Toomay, BUF | 44 | Joe Namath | BILLS, 42-14 |
| 1983 | Kim Bokamper, MIA | 24 | Richard Todd | Dolphins, 32-14 |
| 2008 | Phillip Merling, MIA | 25 | Brett Favre | Dolphins, 24-17 |
"Inside the Jets"
The Jets' weekly 1050 ESPN radio show wraps up its season tonight at Charlie Brown's restaurant in Chatham, N.J. Guests on the show will be G Brandon Moore and S Abram Elam, possibly a call-in from a member of the Jets front office, and another appearance by yours truly. I batted leadoff on "The Beat Report" at the top of every Jets radio broadcast in the 1998 season, and now I'm batting cleanup on "Inside the Jets" a decade later. Says something about my career, although I'm not sure what.
Also on hand for the festivities will be Jets Flight Crew members Lauren P. and Jessica.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (191)Fins4Life Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 5:50pm ET"And that's ALL SHE WROTE!! hahahah"
TonyC Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 6:13pm ET"Hey Randy, now that Mangini is gone, which current players do you think should be clipped from the roster?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Sorry, TonyC, as I said to a previous commenter, I don't do personnel, even when we're between coaches. The current players and the new coach might not appreciate me trimming the roster for them. But who do you think the Jets should bring in or let go?"
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 6:14pm ET"I was away for xmas , but I am back home, ONE DOWN ,TWO MORE TO GO SUTTON AND FAVRE WHOOOOO HOOOOOO , "
Cros09 Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 6:45pm ET"This took a lot of courage. But Mr. Johnson you were right on the money. I proud of you"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:03pm ET"Its a sad day, I liked coach Mangini & thought he could do great things here but the masses & the media drove him out of town just like they will do to the next coach who falls short of expectations. Mangini will get another job & be successful. I will not root for him because I am a Jet fan, as much as I hated this move. Just like I won't root for Chad or Vilma, Mangini is no longer a jet."
JET4LIFE Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:04pm ET"Glad too see the ticker read that Cowher will be open to listen to the JETS I think with the right contract we could land him and bring on crennel as the sutton replacement he was a parcell assistant at one time and bang some x's and o's into shotty if he stays. i know one thing for sure we needed a change from the Mangini System, nice guy so they say but he's a coach first not a friend "
Mike V Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:09pm ET"This team lacks heart and guts - and somebody needs to break them (like Parcells) or coach them out of it (like Weeb). The Pats win in bad weather because they can ram/run the ball down opponents throats if needed. The Jets are in a shotgun on 3rd and one. The defense can't get a stop or a sack . They cave in when it isn't easy. The team doesn't scare anybody because they are soft. Same old Jets."
Mike V Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:18pm ET"Today is also the 40th anniversary of the Jets win over the Raiders in the 1968 AFL Championship Game. That Jets team didn't lose a game after "Heidi" and Thanksgiving. They got tough and took care of business. This years team didn't bother to show up after Thanksgiving. Oh, there were nice individual efforts (Leon W.), but this is a team game and the team never bothered to show up again. "
mike Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:27pm ET"I think Parting ways with Schottenheimer and Sutton are both NO BRAINERS. Both should be gone at some point, the only question is when. Hopefully soon. As far as personnel, I would lock up Leon long term. Look to move guys like Coles Barton or B. Thomas if we can get good enough draft picks in return. GOOD BYE TO: Barrett, E Smith, Law, Bowens, K Coleman, Favre, Franks, D Coleman, Spencer"
Jetsman Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:36pm ET"The shackles that are holding this team back from the playoffs are almost gone. Mangini is gone, now all we need to do is fire Sutton, and BAM! we should get into the playoffs with a quality replacement such as Spagnolo or Cowher!"
TonyC Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:36pm ET"That was the answer I was expecting. I would start with D. Coleman, K. Coleman, D. Barrett, and while I still have a fondness for L. Coles and S. Ellis, I think they've become more of a liability than their worth."
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:43pm ET"you wonder and hope that boomer is in cowher's ear to coach us. with the new facilities and stadium it shouldnt be a hard sell. lot of talent on this team just not sure favre should be our QB anymore, probably not. "
Jets fan since '64 Tom Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:56pm ET"I'm happy to see Chad triumph over the injuries that plagued him on the Jets because he was a great guy and a leader. That said, he still doesn't throw the ball very well unless the receiver is WIDE open and within 25 yards. When your two big passes are an under-thrown flea-flicker and a wrong-side corner touchdown, something's wrong. I wish him good luck but I think his season will end Sunday."
Joe Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 7:58pm ET"Isn't Woody forgetting about Tannebaum. He's definitely on the hot seat!"
Jets fan since '64 Tom Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:01pm ET"What I don't get, though, is why the Jets don't seem too interested in Ainge. The guy's got a lot more natural gifts than plenty of quarterbacks that they've started. How do you neglect a high draft choice so badly that he gets nailed on a substance violation when he's not even on active roster? I hope he got to learn some things from Favre, because that was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."
sal Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:04pm ET"Randy any word on Sutton or Shotenheimer, I cant believe neither was mentioned or asked about, even at the press confrence, unless i missed some of it"
Randy Lange Said:
"Nothing came up today, sal."
Pete Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:04pm ET"Frank, was that really you expressing your sympathy for Mangini in the previous blog?!?! I didn't post much during the season, but we were both routinely attacked during our anti-Mangini posts during the offseason. He has no humility and never acknowledged nor learned from his mistakes. This was the best thing for him. LEARN HOW TO CHANGE AND ADAPT! He got paid well and earned his walking papers."
tom Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:13pm ET"we need cowher he is the coach that if the players make a mistake he would be the one to give them a slap on the helmet and yell at them that is what we need.mangini was just too nice he never yelled.cowher is what we need to turn this team around"
c parnell Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:26pm ET"Several observations, firstly one can not play at the nfl level by throwing balls to high school kids in mississippi. Do not get me wrong the packers and favre are religion in my house, but you need to work in the off season, one month of training camp does not cut it. Just imaging what would have been for jets fans if he had a full camp with the recieving corps."
JetsWin1 Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:28pm ET"Tangini were a perfect match...they both always talk but never say much of anything. Listening to Tannenbaum on the radio today infuriated me more than the realization that my team is, yet again, starting from scratch. No continuity ever with this organization! I wasn't a fan but he had to be given one more year. What now? How do all of the free agents fit in a new scheme? "
viveca Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:30pm ET"Thanks Randy for an excellent article. Sometimes we fans lose sight of the human aspect. Eric is a good man and a hard worker. I wish him well."
JetsWin1 Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:31pm ET"Got a lot on my mind....I guess Gholston forgets everything he learned this year and goes back to his OSU position. No way is Favre going to be willing to come back and learn another system. Just watch us now have all of the wrong pieces for the new coach's system and we'll have to suffer through another gradual transforming of the roster. He should've been given one more year."
mike Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:39pm ET"no cremmel, no billick do what the steelers do and find somoeone young and knows defence. And get a coach who will light a fire under players. Steve spagnuolo sounds good but runs a 4-3, cowher sounds too good to be true. Maybe Dick Lebue"
JET4LIFE Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:43pm ET"listen to these IDIOT fish fans acting like they won a superbowl SHUTUP you guys are done Sunday enjoy your little victory party and go gloat in your own site we dont give a hoot what you have to say. and like always with chad 1 and done in the playoffs, Ravens will rush him blitz him and pick him apart cant wait to see him CHOKE he looked so scared vs the JETS his floaters Will be picked Sun LOL"
jak, 22 wk jet fan Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:48pm ET" coach Mangini is a good man. as a coach he stuck with his gameplan beliefs...even when it was evident that the 3 man rush attack was unsuccessful in some games. i wish he woulda pulled out all the stops and blitzed ect.in those games when teams scored on us repeatedly in that 3 man scheme.i hope he can develop the killer instinct as a coach in the future...keep fighting eric and good luck."
Jim Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:48pm ET"I think that the Jets should trade 4 1rst round draft picks with Buffalo for Dick Jauron. That would make as much sense as their dumping Magini. Do the Jets owner or management really think they can go out and hire someone who will turn the team around in 1 or 2 years. How many real qualfied football people would be interested in going with the Jets? Not many or any that would make a difference. "
Greg from Albany Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:55pm ET"Hey Randy, I know we are trying to be fair and balanced here, but do we have to print the obnoxious rantings of dolphin fans? Especially after the most painful two days in recent Jets history?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Greg, that's a tough call. I've welcomed everyone to the site unless they couldn't stop themselves from uttering vulgarities, obscenities, profanities, character assaults, libelous statements, etc. I think our fans give back as good as they get, except when they do likewise. Do we want playful taunting and the chance to return serve, folks?"
Ira Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 8:58pm ET"While this probably has been the most disappointing season for me as a Jets fan it also was a great one until the Denver game. As i was leaving Nashville i really thought this could be the year they go all the way. I support MR. T in his search for a new coach and believe he will make the right choice. They do have many pieces in place and they will be back."
Ira Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:02pm ET"Randy, Thanks for a great season on the Radar. The comments from everybody and your comments along with E.A.'s really do make the season much more interesting. And I am sure you will be busy keeping us informed as the search for a new HC will takes its course. GO JETS!!!!!"
Randy Lange Said:
"I could say the same about you and your comments, Ira. Here's for a Happy New Year to you and all Jets fans (he said, sucking up to all Jets fans)."
sal Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:03pm ET"the more i listen to the press confrece the mor worried i get about the future, how can the gm say the have good coaches in place already, and jonson talks about their oofensive game plan, they dont have one , there is no identity. mangini cant soley take the fall for offensive game plan, mangini had to go, but not alone. more so because it appears he did loose players sometime after tenn."
CFU Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:09pm ET"Sorry thing didn't work out Mangini best of luck to you in the Future. So the Jets are starting over again never heard that before. LOL Serious can we just find one coach who can get this team to a SB before I die. Right now the JETS should be after Spagnuolo from the Giants. Pay him whatever he wants WOody but hurry up because Lions are looking to grab him. Guy has done wonders 4 gmen. "
JET4LIFE Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:11pm ET"you know that Cole's has a lot of nerve sounding off i hope the jets get rid of his lame excuse of a player. if the jets would have played to the end they would have made better efforts to catch the balls favre put in there reach Cole's gave up the minute his buddy chad got the boot, there was resentment with him from jump they should have played clowny a long time ago and sat Cole's he's no good"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:12pm ET"Randy It will go on deaf ears here when I say with all do respect .. I Agree with you & have said it at mid season .. I know Mangini is a good man all around the board his work ethic I'm sure was second to none .. But as head coach he didn't get it done & it showed on the field I believe you will agree 3 seasons in NFL are like Dog years forever . Like I said Woody Paid to win now & he didn't"
Drew Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:17pm ET"Heres the deal....We will not get Spagnolo. Woody wont hire his 4th 1st year HC. He will get a proven guy. Cowher is a long shot to return this year. But he would be great. i would take Gruden if he is released but its not likely...Here are our choices. Billick (the offensive genius) had the worst O in league history plus is a mess with the media. Marty ball please....Fassell??This could get ugly!"
jetsjets1028 Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:20pm ET"wel im glad ot see mangini go now its time to get rid of favre and maybe get cassel cuz we can't leave it to kellen clemens espec with a new stadium coming. i say get cowher and cassel. im very disappointed chad is gone and with miami i knew he was pretty good. he's like the most accurate nfl passer ever..3 of the 4 seasons he was healthy jets were in playoffs hes a winner, leader and class act"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:24pm ET"Cont. As a result he lost his job .What I believe was the final nail in the coffin was Lets not for now talk about the 140 million he gave him to win now Plus 12 for Favre & lets forget about trading or waiving away 5 of the best players we already had under contract & watch them flourish .But watching Pats win with second stringers & Chad coming home & Imbarress us was to much to bare even 4 him"
carpenterBob Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:39pm ET"GO JETS , Remember Mangini ---- Belichec in Cleveland????? Mangini will be a great NFL coach give him time...... Hope Brett comes back for one more this time he gets in training camp remember this years first pre season game ,if you were there the fans went nuts when he was introduced.....Coach Chuckiee from tampa bay ???"
Row Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:50pm ET"Cut: D. Coleman, Law, Coles, Franks, Barton, E. Smith, Favre, Reed. Definitely should not draft a QB! Malcolm Jenkins sounds good.. What are we going to do about a coach? I see no decent replacements that could even almost help us contend, maybe Billick. Anyone have any comments, I miss Drew's wits and uncle joe, anyone have any idea what to do with this team? Obviously someone heard us.."
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:53pm ET"what i want to know if it is true that gini didnt want favre why did he give his child his middle name? anybody want to whey in on that one? doesnt make sense to me"
mike Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 9:54pm ET"if brett stays,then maybe the front office should interview steve mariucci about possibly the head coaching vacancy!"
Kev Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 10:22pm ET"Please, please no more Favre. Seriously. Please. If I can take away one bright spot from this season, let it be that the Green and White were the ones to finally force Favre into retirement. That'll make it all worth it. Woody, Mike...I don't know who you're watching out there, but I'm beggin' ya. Just say no."
sal Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 10:27pm ET"hey kiddies, rumor has it Parcells can and might opt out of miami, Woody save the team bring a brinks truck or two, plus a bonus for screwing up in the begining. pretty please. with him hell cut some of your overpaid underachievers, plus ill work for you for free, go woody"
Mike in NJ Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 10:29pm ET"Wow! Gotta love these Dolphin fans. They win more than 1 game this year and make the playoffs and they're acting like they won a superbowl. I can't wait till they get their butts handed to them by the Ravens. Take away your stupid wildcat formations and gadget plays and you got nothing. Ravens will beat you guys and I bet we won't see you posting on here again till next season. Go Ravens!!!!!"
Jeyman Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 10:59pm ET"The Jets had two out of three winning seasons with Mangini. Everybody is looking for someone to blame. And some are being blatantly happy about his dismissal. I think some of us should step back and respect that fact a person and family have been really affected by what happened today and wish them the best."
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:04pm ET"hey dolphin fan , enjoy it because no way , your back next year , in that division ??, parcells already wants out, after you face the ravens defense nobody will even remember you made the playoffs!!!"
Peter Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:07pm ET"Mangini was victim of his success. Instead of appreciating that the team never should've won 10 games in 06, fans look at 4 wins in 07.Instead of appreciating that they shouldn't gotten off to a 8-3 start-fans look to the 9-7. Jets dont have the talent & Mangini made them look better than they are. Instead the guy, Favre, responsible for the season Jet's beggin him to stay great management there"
Howie D Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:10pm ET"I've criticized the coaching all season long and believe the OC & DC should have been gone before Mangini, they're the real failures. Naming your son in honor of your QB is a conflict of interest and that prevented Mangini from benching Farve in at least two games, but Woody invested in a young head coach and should have given him one more year to learn and improve, or move on without him."
J Thueson Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:16pm ET"Suck it up Randy and stop acting surprised, this was not only inevitable, it was obvious. The boy coach was not ready for the big time and the big time only goes to those that are. Speaking of big, Mr. Johnson, you will not regret doing what had to be done, thanks for showing all of us true fans that you get it!"
Dunnie Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:40pm ET"I hope everyone that is hoopin and hollerin realizes that this could very well be the worst decision this organization has ever made. Eric had winning seasons 2 out of 3 years, and he was a ROOKIE head coach. He was learning. I think he will be very successful somewhere. Meanwhile we enter the rebuilding phase ...again. I don't disagree with the firing ... but I am worried."
sal Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:43pm ET"if there is any truth about bellicheck blackballing mangini (SNY), is what i was talking about in a post i think during the denver game, classless bill is capable of it, mangini dont deserve it, he'll make a great defence cooridinator, and head coach one day"
Matt Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 11:45pm ET"Eric Mangini may have been a great guy and knew a lot about football, but how can you have a player like Leon Washington and not get the ball in his hands more often? Also, David Clowney was in for one play and makes a 25yd one handed catch, and he wasnt put in since. Its little mistakes like that that made the Jets season end up the way it did. You gotta get the ball into the playmakers hands!"
Zach Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:05am ET"I think that if anything the Jets need a prove head coach..maybe bring magini back to run the defense alot of guys seem to like him. I believe favre and clemons need to go!!! we need a QB a pass rushing DE DT depending on the defense where going to run. I like the secondary we need a deep threat WR depth at OL/DL "
Jeremy Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:07am ET"Not surprised, but surprised Mangini got the boot before Sutton! I hope Callahan is in the running for HC! Get Sutton out now so we can start to get all the pieces together. I really do believe that if Sutton was fired last year, like he should have been, Mangini would still be the coach! Hope Favre decides to leave earlier than later that way we can get Ratliff as many touches as possible!"
sal Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:32am ET"tony ill give you two,rhodes,and ellis both, i know ellis got the lucky bounce both neither one was anywhere thelast 5 games, things went south after his problems, and rhodes been non existing since they signed law, plus there is something about the guy, i just dont trust him. the truth about the Defence personnel will come out over the next week or so. "
jet jeff Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:37am ET"22 unterceptions , UNACCEPTABLE PERIOD!!!! how many did matt ryan throw, peyton manning , our boy chad , super bowl mvp, the new guy cassell, rookie raven QB, romo, mcnabb, garcia, cutler, etc.. etc... etc... bye ,bye!!"
jetssb44 Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:43am ET"i really feel sorry for mangini, i really hope he does well as hes goes on in his career. i like favre, i think hes a great quarterback, but i dont think he is our guy. however, i dont think clemens is our guy either. i think that whoever becomes the next coach shud brett ratliff a shot. he has some real potential. GO JETS!!!!! SUPERBOWL 44 HERE WE COME"
Big Ed Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:46am ET"I want to say thank-you to ALL the players and Coaches who worked very hard this season. Definitely appeciate the effort you made on the field. To Eric...thanks for changing the culture and giving it your all. Wish we could have had a different outcome. Good luck to you in your future endeavors! "
Wayne Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:26am ET"Football is a business. When players don't produce they get let go, when coaches don't produce they let go too. Can't say I'm unhappy with firing. Mangini, Sutton & Shotty didn't lead this team the way they should.I see the other 2 going right behind EM. I would love to see Billick, Cowher or Spagnola if he leaves the Giants. Need to revamp the O & D playbook..Maybe go to the 4-3.No more dink&dunk"
David Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:27am ET"As good of guy he is and coach. He is responsible for the game plans and on O and D there were times when you expected some thing big or sack or something different and it never came the game plans the last 5 games were not goog they were predictable, the O and D coachs should go too. "
SteveB Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:13am ET"Lets face it this is more political than anything.Mr. T just trying to get another year or two. I firmly believe this whole mess started with the Favre move.His career was over and the focus not there,the morale of some of the players was broken with what & how they handled Chad and they failed to get out of this team what is was capable of as a result. It just seems Favre was not the leader as CP"
SteveB Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:21am ET"with that being said it is fitting in a way but sad in another that MR T lays all of this on Mangini but Mangini did use Chad as his excuse so at the end of the day what goes around usually comes back around. I hope & pray Mangini &his family suceed somewhere else CP sure landed in the right place.God works all out for good. But I see MR T not getting held accountable for his role with Favre &"
SteveB Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:27am ET"Favre's agent had expressed the fact that Favre was not happy working with Mangini and MR.T and Mr Johnson felt they needed Favre more than Mangini to gain more attention for the team. One big problem there is that to me more and more Favre sounds like the QB version of T.O. and we all know how that works out. Good luck Mangini and Mr. T should remember the what goes around comes around theory"
cliff Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:37am ET"Get rid of Favre next. Save some cash and play Brett Ratliffe. Kellen was outplayed by a mile over Brett and it was Brett's second year after looking horrible his first. The kid is smart, 6 ft 4 and a gun for an arm. He also made huge gains in one year and showed a real leadership quality. Something Kellen never did. Give Brett R a try. Save the cash and try to get a corner as good as revis a"
cliff Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:41am ET"and a safety as good as Rhoades. They need to sure up a bad to horrid backfield. As for head coach. Honestly? They need a Gruden, Parcells or Cower type of coach. Their players had absolutely no fire or desire after going 8-3 when all they needed was 2 wins to seal a division title. There is no way in hell Cower let's them go to Seattle or play San Fran with no passion. No way he let's them"
cliff Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:45am ET"just sit in your cushy exec chairs and enjoy the wins and the money wins bring in. Assuming either of you honestly even care about winning."
Anonymous Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:49am ET"Sal, you'd be right to be worried. First off, they won't get a Coach at all if they force him to take on a staff. Every H.C out there wants his own staff and that is the way it has always worked in the NFL. I'd love to see them tell Cower or Parcells they have to take the existing coaches. They'd just laugh at Woody and walk. No GOOD coach will ever except that job under those rediculous circu"
Jets fan since '64 Tom Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:11am ET"Jets history shows a pattern of hiring many coaches who weren't big names and couldn't make much less get certain demands. They can't afford that approach this time. Also, as much as I've said the Jets need a modern Rivers/Manning/Brady/Cutler-type QB, let's remember it's not that easy to get one. Who ever thought Palmer and Leinart's USC back-up Cassel would be in better shape now than them?"
JeffCUK Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:23am ET"Hey Eric ... maybe put in for the Raiders job................. Al Davis treats his Coaches with more respect than Woody does......... Good Luck in your search for an honest Owner and GM."
uncle joe Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 7:11am ET"Heres the deal DREW, we are lucky enough to have an owner who cares about the team. I know it's a business and he wants to sell tickets but,what's wrong with an owner trying to make money?He will get who we want. We wanted Mangini, most of us wanted Farve, Fanaca, Pace, ect. He will get us Cowher. He would probably get us Belicheck if we wanted him! He is a GREAT owner."
Ira Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 7:54am ET"Drew, Cowher will be the next HC if he gets final say on all personal moves. I think that could work with Mr. T. Woody must bring him in. He has ties around the NYC area and would put just as big a stamp on this team as Parcells did back in 97. New stadium, PSL's and much more you must have Cowher. It will costy about 10-12 per year maybe even 15. Go get him. I want stability. GO JETS!!!!!"
exjetfan Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:01am ET"GET RID OF CHAD AND CHAD GET'S RID OF YOU !!!! HA..HA..HA.. PERFECT ENDING.... JET FAVRE IS GONE, NOW WHO'S YOUR QUARTERBACK ???? THE ONLY REASON THAY WANTED FAVRE WAS TO FILL THE STANDS AGAIN AND SELL JERSEY'S.....I HERE FAVRE JERSEYS ARE PRETTY CHEAP IN NY TODAY.....WE HAVE A SWAMP IN MIAMI THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SELL YOU JET FANS....."
Anonymous Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:24am ET"Mangini never should have gotten that job to begin w/. He has absolutly no future in this league. All he ever did was get coffee for the coaches during game preparations. He's a joke and so is the jets owner. He slowly starting to resemble the steinbrenner's...not the best business model"
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:53am ET"I want to give a huge thanks to Randy and the boys for getting the Radar running last year. The Radar has become a part of my daily routine. I hope everyone (even Frank and Ex Fan) has a Happy New Years....It looks like it going to be a quiet off-season....LOL"
Randy Lange Said:
"That was our plan all along, Drew, to addict you to the Radar. Happy New Year."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:03am ET"The Jets were 8 & 3 they finished 9 & 7 they would have been 8 & 8 if not for the Ellis TD at the end the team quit on him his message was no longer getting thru the sad thing about sports is when a team does bad 99.99% of the time the head coach gets the blame. If you read all of the posts all of them blame Favre or Mangini QB & head coach always get the glory & the blame "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:06am ET"no one brings up the D which was garbage most of the year no one brings up the O line which could run block great but could not pass block if there life depended on it Favre was the 3rd most sacked QB in the game no one brings up our WR'S who do not have the speed to separate from the corners give up pn routes & Coles drops crazy passes it is just the way it is"
Dallas Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:11am ET"If Brady might not be able to start the '09 season, the Pats will hold onto Castle. If he does become available, it will probably be late in the off-season and he won't be ready. I think that if Favre wants to come back, he should be allowed to. He's not the best qb in the league right now, but he's also not the worst, and it's not like there are going to be tons of talented qb's on the market"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:12am ET"I think if we can not get Cowher we should go for Marty Schott he is a proven guy he turned around 3 teams the Browns, Chiefs & Charges were all bad before he got there he made them winners. We keep little Schott this way we do not have to learn a new offense & bring Favre back with a full off season OTA'S & everything we got Favre 8/21 I think that gane him 16 days to get ready for the opener I "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:18am ET"with a full off season his 23TD'S & 22 INT'S become 30 TD'S & 15 INT'S & his 3,472 yards become 4,000 yards. We would not have to worry about little Schott on 3 & 3 or less going shotgun cause big Marty would have none of that he runs the ball all day everyday & he would make his son do that. We would not have to worry about TJ & Leon not being used enough cause Marty ball would run them all day."
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:26am ET"Finally I would like to go back to the 4-3 the day freeagency started I would sign Haynesworth with him & Jenkins we would have the most dominate DT'S in the NFL NO ONE would be able to run on us & we could generate a pass rush from our DT'S. Ellis will play 1 end he is a 10 sack guy as a 4-3 end the other end would be Gholston or Thomas who ever wins out (hopefully Gholston) Harris MLB he played "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:30am ET"he played 4-3 MLB at Michigan he was a stud. Barton would be the weakside OLB a spot he has played before as well & Pace would be the strongside OLB he has never played there before but that is the spot for the bigger LB similar to Kiwanucka on the G Men. Then in the draft focus on the secondary & WR'S even with the 3rd round pick we are giving up for Favre we still have 9 draft picks. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:32am ET"The Jets need to tell Favre he has until Feb. 27th the start of free agency to tell them if he is playing or not that gives him 2 months to think about it & demand a answer at that point & if not than move on PERIOD."
Ira Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:39am ET"Drew, Marty would not be a bad choice. Woody wants Favre back. If Favre does come back Cowher will not coach here. Marty would coach favre for one more year give it a shot and then if it doesn't work out rebuild this team. Marty has a .613 winning % and will get you to the playoffs every year. Forget his playoff record. The guy is a very good coach and won 9,12 and 14 games his last 3 years at SD."
Ira Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:45am ET"Drew, This way if Marty gets the HC job you can keep some stability and stay with Callahan and Schotty. This team still has lots of talent and you want to try and not make to many changes if possible. But once again if Cowher wants to take the job whatever he wants you let him do. Otherwise i go with Marty and have no problem with that."
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:56am ET"I will not continue my defense of Mangini. He was fired and its time to move on. The problem is this owner wants Favre to stay and I think its a huge mistake. We took a shot with Favre hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and it backfired. Anyone who understands football can see that his play down the stretch was awful. It is impossible to win with play like that. Get Cowher and let Favre go home."
fljetfan Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:57am ET"Boy, if reports are true that woody wont let cowher do his thing because of Mr T being here i'd be SHOCKED! I mean here we go again. The fans want COWHER POWER woody. How is this guy Mr. T getting away with this? Get the chin, let T handle the cap only, and quit throwin roses at favres feet. Like you keep preaching its not about one guy. Chance here to get an unbelievable HC. "
Ira Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:57am ET"Drew, As for Marty i would take him in a hearbeat. He is an excellent HC and his last 3 years in SD won 9,12 and 14 games. Yes his playoff record isn't good but he has a .613 winning % in the regular season.Cowher who i want will not come here if Favre retruns and that is a problem because Woody wasnts him back. Marty will deal with favre while Cowher wouldn't. Either HC will get the Jets back."
Ira Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:59am ET"Plus if you get Marty then you keep Schotty and Callahan to keep stability on that side of the ball. Also Marty has had experience playing a 3-4 just like Cowher."
Kathi Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:17am ET"I only wish that Mangini didn't have to pay for the fact that Favre stinks. Not that he was or is the best coach, but he didn't deserve to take the blame for the team or this season...I can only hope that Favre REALLY retires this time and we can start rebuilding properly, not with an old, wore out, one time good QB that throws not much else but interceptions. Still loving the J-E-T-S!!! "
tonyz Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:18am ET"I am glad he is gone didnt want him in the first place .He is a ball boy nuff said .As for the Fish Fans enjoy it now because it will be short lived and thank you for beating the Jets .It cause Eric to get fired and I thank the Fish for that . I do believe the the GM should be gone too.Get someone in here that knows talent not what money can buy .I wish for Cowher but with the Jets luck it wont be"
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:21am ET"Mikey Mc stop the nonsense Mangini drove himself out of town period end of story move on. Blaming the masses and media is ridiculous a losing record, poor coaching and personnel decision making is the cause."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:24am ET"Word it out Cowher won't come to NY because of Mike T just a rumor hope it's not true & hope it doesn't affect them getting Dick Lebeau.."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:28am ET"Drew you and the regular Kool Aide gang are not in any kind of position to be making forecasts. Spagnuolo is the best choice regardless of your proclamations to the contrary. He is a proven coach and talent evaluater and motivator. I will argue the Giants turn around last season coincided with Coughlin loosening the reins on the team and letting Spagnuolo run an aggressive attacking defense."
JET4LIFE Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:36am ET"Cowher comes on board Mr.T will not call shots but that said I think they woody & T are more concerned with getting a winning formula Cowers daughter i believe is in school in NY he works for a NY network it just makes sense to pay him to organize the team lots of talent screaming to be lead but will Cowher want 4 don't think he would so the QB is the next search after the coaches job if filled"
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:38am ET"Drew do you have a problem with the job Mike Smith did in Atlanta or Jim Harbaugh in Baltimore? As a matter of fact Smith left the Jags and they feel apart this season he was their defensive guru. Another reason I like Spagnuolo he is from a winning organization and he is young so even though it did not work out with Mangini I still want a guy who can be here for the long haul."
HazyDavy Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:49am ET"So much to say, and so little space. This may take 2 posts. 1st of all, Cowher said "no" to the Browns because he's enjoying his "civilian life". He's enjoying being in NC. I doubt he'll coach the Jets. I hope he does, but it looks bleak. I read what the players said about Mangini, it almost made me cry. He's a good man, and will probably be successful somewhere else, but he had to go. Continued.."
jim Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:50am ET"Sorry to anyone fired howevere it had to be done. Mangini with his bunker mentality was a joke. If you are Parcells you can have that mentality but you have to earn it. The JETS have to hire a former head coach. Someone that has been thru the wars.Someone who shows SOME EMOTION. The coach was emotionless and so was the team.A season ticket holder since 1968 I was not surprised at all. "
Gunner from WISC. Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:52am ET"Thanks for all the great articles this year. Enjoyed reading them all. I watched all the jets games here in Milwaukee instead of Packer games. Got to say Mangini was not the guy for this team. A lot of bad coaching decisions. Where was the defense? Running game was great- should of pounded the ball a lot more. #4 is probably the smartest qb in the game- got to keep him for next year. "
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:53am ET"I'm sorry to say but Woody doesn't care about the superbowl, we dont need Favre to sell tickets he must not know the Jet Fan base, but to put your faith in a 39yr old diva is crazy. Mr. T has a job to do, but i can hear that he's lying when he says he want Farve back, look at the league, NFL = Not For Long"
Russ H Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:54am ET"Favre was the JETS biggest mistake from the get-go. Anyone with any sense recognized that Pennington wasn't the issue. Personally I prefer a coach who shows that he cares-not just a sideline observer. But the real truth is that until Tannenbaum goes, the JETS will continue to be an "also ran". The coach can't be held responsible for this year's terrible draft picks."
hazydavy Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:55am ET"Continued from above...The team underperformed way too much, and they were too disorganized. Some examples would be, remember early in the year when Nugent went down? There was nobody on the team that could kick an extra point, so they went for 2. Give me 3 practice kicks and I'll kick the xtra point. That was crazy! This past game, how is someone completely unblocked on a punt?? continued..."
hazydavy Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:57am ET"There are almost too many other examples to name. In addition, the anemic pass rush because the 3 man line was not used correctly and bad play calling. I could go on. 40 years is too long to go without getting back to the super bowl, especially for a NY team!!! I think I'm done for now, maybe!"
Gunner from WISC Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:59am ET"How about Cowher for head coach and Crenel for D? Wow what a combo! And #4 at QB. No doubt that would be a winning combo for sure. I would find a way to get to NY from WI for a game for sure!!"
Thomas H. Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:11am ET"Bill Cowher will take a pass on the Jets coaching spot because Woody plans to keep Tannenbaum around and Cowher wants his own guy. Let's face it: Cowher would be just what we needed and could turn this talented group in a serious contender. He plays 3-4, and is a proven winner with great personality. I love Mangini but this coach is a whole different level. Fire Tannenbaum, get Cowher!"
HarryP Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:33am ET"Thank the heavens! I must have been the only one watching. Favre is not to blame. After the Pats this whole team broke down, including the coaches. Poor play calling, time managment, and 4th down desicions caused this. Favre had NO time he spent more time on his back side than he did standing. Of course that attributes to the increase in INTS. The D just plain never showed up. CHAD DID ZERO IN NY!"
Rod N Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:36am ET"this organization is horrible. how is that when i wake up this morn, i hear we pass on bill cohwer. are they cray. just becuase we dont want to comply with what he wants. u cant bring in that type of coach and not give him any pull in the front office. fire mr t if it means getting cowher. we cannot pass on any coach of that calibur. he would give this team an identity."
Rick B Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:36am ET"Just heard that Cower is not willing to take the Jets HC job because he wont have more authority than Tannenbaum. Are you kidding me?!!!, you fire Mangini, you dont fire Tannenbaum, and now we wont get Cowher because Tannenbaum is there? I'm done with this team, its a joke if this is true, and so is this organization."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:49am ET"Drew same to you bud Happy new year at least you unlike your cohort Mr sour Grapes[ Ray ] are willing to be a gentlemen about the banter.. I commend you & was fun really & hope we get on track next year so we will agree to disagree or just be on the same page & hopefully Ray will be over his disappointment by then WE shall see .. NOW LET"S GO GET DICK LEBEAU PLEASE"
FLJetsFan714 Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:51am ET"Are you kidding me? Tannenbaum made some good moves last year during the FA period, but when a coach like Cowers says he wants in, you do what you have to do to let him in. Give Mikey another title and give us Bill!! You want how much for season tickets and you're not willing to put Cower in charge of the ship? Will Woody Johnson please pick up the nearest white courtesy CLUE PHONE!!"
Gunner From WISC Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 11:52am ET"Defense wins championships-how about Crenel for D coach? And Cowher for coach-he's been there done that. You don't need a great qb to win a championship in this league this has been proven- even if he's past his prime (#4) just a smart one(#4) again. You must get Cowher! Don't even think about Marty Schotenheimer."
Ray Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:01pm ET"J Thueson you might hold off on the kudos to Woody at least until we see who he hires. Change for the sake of change is not always an upgrade. He has an opportunity to do something that can affect this team for years to come. One way or the other. We're gonna find out right now if he "gets it"."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:08pm ET"If Woody doesn't want to go with Spagnuolo then Marty is my second choice. I called for him last year and think he would be a great fit for this veteran team. Drew if you knew anything about football you would see that the poor coaching, lack of creativity and adjustments by the coaching staff contributed heavily to Favre's play. A full offseason program then I want him back. "
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:14pm ET"Woody will allow the new HC to decide who he wants to keep on his staff and who he will let go that is the protocol and the way it should be. In a perfect world I would love to see Spagnuolo hired as head coach and Marty as the offensive coordinator and Asst. HC that would make a great combo. Move B Shott to QB coach and let him continue to learn. A nightmare scenerio would be making Callahan HC."
fljetfan Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:22pm ET"WOODY? ARE YOU THERE? Cowher wants to come but he wants his own personnel guy? WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? NO, to MARTY Ira, this is a business, it aint about having a father son combo running this team. Thats a bush league move at best. Woody, you have to end this thing with Mr. T. The writing is on the wall. Cowher is a lifelong nfl guy with incredible passion that jets fans crave. "
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:23pm ET"No Frank...I have zero problem with what Smith or Harbaugh did this year. Actually they did the same thing Mangini did in his 1st year. Thanks for making my point for me......All I am saying is Woody has hired 3 1st year coaches I dont think he will do it again. I like Spagnolo I just dont think he will hire him. "
Ray Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:25pm ET"Ooooh Frank, only you and the Mangini haters can make comments about who we should have as coach? That's cause you and the rest are such knowledgeable fans? Your such a great prognosticator yourself? You did such a great job at draft time. Beating down anyone who said we shouldn't draft VG. You been pretty quiet about him all year. Did you have a problem with Mangini his first year? Smith.."
Ray Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:43pm ET"Harbaugh and Sparano all get a chance to prove themselves NEXT year. Spags may be a great choice, but there are several choices out there and WE ALL will be debating that until someone is chosen. And you have to admit, any first time head coach regardless of background is taking a bit of a chance. BTW if the Jets want him they better move fast. Lions, Browns and Rams will make offers shortly."
shemp Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:47pm ET"espn just reported cowher still talking to jets, and that jets are willing to do what it takes to get cowher. give him the bank and let tannenbaum control the cap and the cap only. fire sutton he has to go."
ed duignam Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:50pm ET"Please...Please....Please...Get Cowher Now Mr. Johnson, I love Marty, but then we have to keep his kid, who is awful on third downs and ruins drives with crazy plays to Brad Smith....Please Woody, GET THE MAN NOW!....COWHER NOW!"
sal Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:54pm ET"Why would anyone want to keep shotenhmer, every week i read, how he is clueless, last yer 4-12, game planning stinks, think havin daddy around will help him, your crazy, what has marty won, another one who fell short. Ill keep Callahan let him decide on a O corridinator, he works w/brian, and if keeps him so be it, he would no something that we dont. Callahan or maybee Marriucci would work for me"
Sam Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 12:57pm ET"Please pass this letter to WOODY JOHNSON. MR WOODY JOHNSON. We JETS fans do NOT want BRETT FAVRE to come back. FAVRE threw 22 INTERCEPTIONS! The JETS fans do not want a QB that threw 22 INTERCEPTIONS. JETS fans don't care about FAVRE for his name! JETS fans want to WIN! WOODY JOHNSON read and listen to the fans. JETS fans do NOT want BRETT FAVRE to come back!!!!!"
sal Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:01pm ET"Randy, Floyd Reese was dead on, if they were evaluating mangini on a weekly basis and the players caught wind of it it would kill ateam. Did u ever get the feeling he was inder the microscope all season."
Kyle Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:05pm ET"Hey pipe dreamers, Woody let go the best available coach without having a better one locked up. In the business world you'd lose your job. Cowher said publicly today he will not even interview with the Jets. Great ownership. Here's to a happy new year and the expectation of many lousy Jets seasons to come under Woody Johnson."
sal Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:10pm ET"Head coaches are head coaches, coridinators are coridinators, plain and simple u get lucky now and then, this team aint lucky if u havnt figured it out. Look @ whats him name in dallas, the( o corr.), him and spags were the to cochin prospects, now the guys lucky to have a job, a sound exp head coach, nothin less, now ill have my kool aide"
sal Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:25pm ET"I cant wait to see the New years day post, i bet it will be the hightlight of my day. On that note to all of yous guys we are all diehard fans, this is our tailgate party we will have all year, I thank Randy, and all of you Happy and Healthy New Year, Go Jettttts"
MikeMc Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:43pm ET"Frank, sorry when you defend Favre after the disgusting performances he put together this season you lose all credibility with me.You need to be even handed in your criticism. With that said I find you very insightful at times, this is not one of those times."
wayne Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:53pm ET"Yes it's looking ugly, but if we're being realistic it wasn't gonna get any better next year with Mangini.His body of work made that obvious.He might have been able to catch the league off balance with something new, but he was unable to change.He made promises to take a different approach but always ended up back where he started.Disappointed that such a young coach was so inflexible."
JET4REAL Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 1:58pm ET"I think the Cowher deal will be made Mr.T will have to deal with it i think favre is done this will free up the 13 mill and we move on Favre wanted 1 more shot to see what was left i think he came to realize his time has come and can proudly move on i don't think 4 comes back i feel good about the possibility of a cowher if not get your hooks in spagnolo as a back up but this could play our way"
NotBuyingIt Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:24pm ET"Been a Jets fan since 1976. That's as far back as i could remember. - 33 SEASONS X 16 GAMES X 3 HRS PER GAME = 1,584 HOURS. Factor in a handful of playoff games.. approx. 1,600 HRS OF WASTED TIME or 67 FULL DAYS of life wasted. Gone forever! I'm taking this personal. The Jets OWE ME. It's unfortunate that it doesn't matter who is Head coach. Cowher, Bilick, Marty.. same result. NO SUPERBOWL. UGH!"
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:26pm ET"Youre right Frank. Iknow nothing about football....It was the coaching that caused Favre to throw some of the worst pics of all time the last 5 games. Which one can we blame Mangini for?? The numerous throws across the field into double-coverage? The throw up for grabs ball when Leon is covered by a CB or my favorite the pic six that went for a TD on a SCREEN pass? Please!!"
wayne Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:30pm ET"Get us(fans)a coach who finds a way to get his players to go 100mph on game day.And those who won't;GET OUT.No politicians need apply.I don't care how much the players liked each other this year.They didn't like each other enough to play hard.Find us a bunch of guys who hate each other and bust the opponent in the mouth EVERY SUNDAY....WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER WAITING!!!!!!!!!!"
Jared Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:30pm ET"Just like CP & Vilma its sad to see coach go, but it was necessary. His stubborness to rush 3 guys when it NEVER worked, getting pass happy with a 39 yr old QB when u have the AFC's top rusher, his lack of 2nd half adjustments. These things fall on the coach. I wish him well but Woody, like us wants a winner and wants it now. We have the talent, we need someone to get the best out of it. I'll pray"
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:31pm ET"I am not taking any blame away from B-Schott or even Mangini but to say that Favre didnt have a large part of this collapse is foolish. He was erratic with the ball at the worst times. B-Schott trusted him with the ball and he let the offense down.....Also, I keep reading that Mangini lost the locker room? I havent heard 1 player say anything bad about the man. You would hear something if he did. "
Tanner Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:34pm ET"Randy could you please tell me when the new stadium is opening me and my bro thought it was 2010, now im hearing 2009?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Tanner, the New Jets Stadium will open for the 2010 season."
scjoe Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:42pm ET"In my 49th year as a Jets fan I have never been more down. The Woody presser was a complete joke. It is obvious to anyone (except all of you who were, and maybe still on the Favre bandwagon) that the wrong person was fired. It should have been Favre, no one has done more damage to this team then him this year. What a crime!!!!!!!!!!"
Anthony Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:43pm ET"I was not a big fan of Mangini but I respect his work ethic, I am a long time Jet fan and saddened once again to see us not make the playoffs. But a lot of good came from this season. Favre as our leader but the thing that gets me is Chad didn't beat us this Sunday, we beat ourselves. I think a change is needed in coaching . Now lets get a coach and its Ganggreen for life. Can't wait for 2010"
Jetts Fan Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:45pm ET"To all the Favre haters out there: 1) We knew what we were getting, a Hall of Famer and 2 time Super Bowl champ. 2) Favre isn't on D & can't catch for receivers. Unfortunately, Mangini had to go; if only to send a message to players get serious, get in the game. No More Tears...Mangini's firing is every players fault who missed a tackle or dropped a pass. Pure and simple. Deal with it."
MikeMc Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 2:57pm ET" Our new coach needs to decide on all personel including Favre, and on the assistants. You can't hire a coach & stick him with Brett for one year & tell him to rebuild in year two, he'll be run out of town in year three. So I'm going to take a wait and see attitude on Favre & the new coach. Mr. T, you are now on the hot seat, bring in a winning coach & let him do his job. Give him a 5 yr deal."
scjoe Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:03pm ET"Randy, is there any news on the Gohlston injury? I watched him being helped off the field late in the fourth quarter. Also, what is the final compensation we have to give GB for that horrible mistake we made?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Reporting elsewhere states that the Packers will receive a third-rounder in the Favre trade. I'm not aware of any injury to Vernon Gholston. Are you referring to David Bowens being helped off late in the game? D-Bo is OK."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:03pm ET"Ray it would be nice if Randy archived our comments. At draft time I wanted to trade the pick for more picks or trade down for either of the Longs or Matt Ryan I was adamant I did not want McFumble. I also suggested taking Rogers-Cromartie but I got chastised for that as well. I wanted Gholston in the spot we drafted him as my fourth choice...got it Ray. Gholston might yet do something we'll see."
JP Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:05pm ET"Look, Mangini had to go - during the bye week he chewed out Favre and Richardson, these stupid pop quizes and our O having to know the names of the other teams offense - ridiculous - our guys failed when they took the field the last 5 games, with no motivation. He maybe a genius in statistics, but it never translated to the field - we all know that this does not cut it in NY."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:08pm ET"Mikey Mc I already made my point about Favre I am not going to repeat myself. Ray you just can't stand that I am right so get over it and live with it. By the way Ray I am not a Mangini hater he is not a good football coach so don't confuse the two I unlike many others wish him well and great success where ever he goes. Your simplistic and apologetic adoration of Mangini is admirable but not wise"
Don Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:08pm ET"Sam, I second that. I am a 31 yr season ticket holder and never miss a game. Woody - WE DO NOT WANT FAVRE. HE IS DONE, WASHED UP FINISHED. Bringing him back will only waste another year. This is not 20/20 hindsight. I never wanted him to begin with. And why does Mr. T get to stay? Wasn't it his decision to bring Favre in? He is Woody's puppet. He should have been out the door too."
JP Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:09pm ET"As for Favre, I was for the trade and at 8-3 we all loved it, but I will not put all of this on Favre - Miami game, YES, Buffalo, YES, but in Seatle, SF, Denver, and the other two, our defense was horrific.. Kris Jenkins defending Mangini, give me break, the last 5 games he looked his age. If Favre was seen as a problem on the team, no one stepped up leadership, so that starts with the coach."
JP Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:14pm ET"Where to go from here: Go for Cowher but keep in mind, give the man 5 years minimum to get us consistent...if not, go for Spags for D or Schott Sr. or Billick for experience - if Favre comes back, let him come, might do better with another coach and if not, bench him. Dump Coles and get a speed receiver/deep threat (I'll take TJ Huz). give Gholston a chance, draft another corner. see what happens."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:18pm ET"Drew sometimes you act like such a simpleton. What those guys did this year is significantly different than what Mangini did his first year. Both took over bad teams and both had rookie QB's they developed. Mangini inherited a team that should have won it all 2 years prior but was decimated by injury the year before. Prior to the hire Mangini was also unproven in any capacity while the others were"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:19pm ET"I just read Favre has a torn bicep tendon so he was hurt all along "
OriginalJet Fan Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:21pm ET"Some of the comments on Chad Pennington make me sick. he did nothing in NY? he took mediocre teams to the playoffs when Healthy, had more winning seasons than any QB the jets have had if I remember correctly. Put Chad Pennington on New England or Giants over the last 8yrs and guess what they each still win at least one ring when he's healthy, put Brady on jets and you get Dreck just like we did."
zach Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:48pm ET"Woody, if it is bill cowher and a new gm vs. mike t and a new coach. My chances of winning are better with Bill Cowher any day of the week! you are mistaken if you think Mike T will lead you to victory. He has not brought proper personal in a long time. Look at the last few drafts...the first round picks all busts.Bring in Bill Cowher and he will lead you and me and all jet fans to the promiseland"
Rick Roucoulet Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 3:51pm ET"I sure hope the rest of the staff goes accept WESTOFF. I am also praying that WOODY dont bring in Marty Schottenheimer as HC & he keeps his son as OC. He's 1 of the reasons for the season we had. I'd take Romeo Crennel back to this team before all that-I wonder if M. Schott has the U KNOW WHATS to take the job & fire his son??? Hmmm!!! I'll take Cower but w/spit shields on each players helmuts lol"
Wayne Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 4:00pm ET"I've been calling for Mangini's head since week 8.It was obvious to me he had no clue how to run a team. It all starts at the top & a boring offense & a passive D means a losing team.The Jets will get better when managem't gets better. We're a team w/o a strategy. D wins championships for the 100th time. Our D is inconsistent as is our O.Hope Woody hires a proven winner, or the suffering goes on."
NotBuyingIt Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 4:04pm ET"When the Jets got Favre i felt it was a huge mistake and wasn't buying into it. I said Favre will ruin his legacy and the Jets will 9-7 at best. We all know that the Jets got lucky a few times so it's really not even safe to say we are even a 9-7 team with Favre. Jets will be even worse next year if Favre comes back. Jets fans will go BALLISTIC we miss the playoffs in 09. Brett, PLEASE RETIRE NOW!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 4:05pm ET"The Jets are saying MR. T is willing to change his spot to allow Cowher to bring in his own guy to be the GM also Cowher has 3 girls 2 of which live in the area WOODY YOU GOT TO SELL THE MAN 1 tell him he will be close to his kids 2 tell him were going into a new stadium 3 tell him about Florham Park 4 tell him you will make him the highest paid coach in the game WHAT EVER IT TAKES GET IT DONE $$$"
Rob from New Jersey Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 4:13pm ET"The facts; the head coach situation will be handled. Farve will retire. Clemens deserves to start....period. He earned it. He has 7 starts under his belt, with a terrible O line, no receivers healthy, and showed great potential. Do you think preseason games, with dropped passes, makes you turn you back on his kind of talent? Ratliffe is green as grass, and NEVER been in a REAL game!!! Wake up."
35 year fan Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 4:28pm ET"Sutton must immediately be fired. Sutton should have been first .He should have been fired a month ago. I know small children that play playstation Madden football that could call better defense than Suttons' sorry displays. Parcells must be on top of our wish list . And give him complete control . "
Tom Spicer Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 4:50pm ET"Bill Cowher would bring INSTANT credibility to the Jets I would be happier if we got him than any player at any position in the game he fires up & inspires his guys THEY GO TO WAR FOR HIM & WOULD RUN THRU A BRICK WALL FOR HIM"
scjoe Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:21pm ET"Randy, I am almost certain that it was #56 being helped off the field late, but I was in the 40th row, so could have been mistaken. I guess we will find out for sure in time. Thanks anyway Randy, have a Happy New Year, same to all my fellow Jet fans."
wesley Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:36pm ET"Its a shame. Not the Jets, but the organization. Look at the franchises, they all had coaches and players that have spent years there. Lets hire for one year contracts, because that is how long you can expect to be in the organization. Anyone that understands football knows you cant turn the ball over and win. Im sure the organization hated the draft of favre. Blame should be where it belongs."
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:41pm ET"Once again Frank you just dont know when to stop.....Lets take John Harbaugh. He took over a team that had a awesome defense and rode its coat tails. Flacco was 3rd string coming out of camp and played because of injury. The defense carried the team. Plus what did he prove as a special teams coach and then 1 year as a secondary coach? Smith did a great job in yr 1. "
Drew Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 5:46pm ET"Lets not also forget Frank that Mangini had a horrible cap that Mr T had to fix in 2006 and he had CP off injury and no CMart!! instead had C Houston and your favorite Barlow. He also changed the defense to a 3-4. The job both Smith and Harbaugh did was no better than what Mangini did in 2006. The team was picked to go 4-12 by everybody and he went to the playoffs. Its too easy with you"
Ray Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:37pm ET"Frank if they are archived I can show you the ones where I asked if anyone was afraid VG might be the next Mike Mamula and that I liked him as a second rounder more than a sixth pick and you basically told me I was clueless (what's new). A rookie HC is much like a draft pick. I'll back Spags 100% if he's our man. But I would prefer an experienced HC with solid coordinators."
Ray Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:48pm ET"Ok Frank I didn't realize Mangini "hater" meant you knew him personally. How's "Coach Mangini Hater"? Do you need an MRI too? You pat yourself on the back so much your shoulders must be killing you. You suffer from the same disease as some of your sheep in here, you mistake not bashing someone with liking them. Whereas you can barely get a bad word about Brett out of your mouth I have no ..."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:52pm ET"Drew its pointless arguing with you the facts are on my side...nice spin job though. We had a top 10 defense before he screwed it up the other teams were picked to be bottom feeders this year and both had worse records and personnel than he as a starting point. Both finished with better records and both beat teams with winning records something Mangini did not do. Stop the nonsense and move on!"
Ray Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:54pm ET"...no problem bashing him without tossing him on the trash heap. He was horrible the last 5 games, bad shoulder or not. But I'm still not against him coming back if he is healthy. Same with Mangini, I would have bashed him plenty this year, but there was no need, it was done mercilessly every week. That being said I had no problem with him getting canned. He didn't get the job done, he's gone."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 6:59pm ET"Drew and Mikey Mc didn't Chad chuck up some of the ugliest INT's you had ever seen last year? Wasn't he 1-7 last year. Didn't Favre take a beating this year the run blocking was great the pass blocking was atrocious. If B Shott and Mangini knew what they were doing they would have adapted the O to take this into consideration. Get educated then come back here. Stop defending the indefensible."
Dublin Jet Niall Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 7:32pm ET"Hey Frank, apologies for the tardy response to your question last Friday. Yes indeed, you are correct. Back in '86 when they first started showing the NFL properly here I caught highlights one evening. Sure enough the Jets were in green and white and yes,their QB was called O'Brien so it was all a bit too seductive for me. The popular teams here have always been the usual suspects(Cowboys,49ers)"
Dublin jet Niall Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:37pm ET"cont. So,the choice of the Jets was somewhat unusual. Being honest, I have had occasion over the years to question my choice as I have been accosted in all sorts of places with;" the Jets!!-but why?" But there you go, we're fans and we support our team-through thick and thin. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't finding it particularly hard this year though. A lot of gut-wrenching disappointment!"
Anonymous Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:46pm ET" I didn't like the Chad/Farve switch but once it was done I supported the guy throughout the year. But now, he's got to retire and not further tarnish his great career. It was a one-year shot at the SB that hasn't worked. We rebuilt both lines to a good degree(which we all wanted last year I seem to remember) so let's draft sensibly and have a QB competition with the 3 guys we have. HC? I dont kno"
Dublin Jet Niall Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:51pm ET"Anyway, tomorrow brings a new day so here's to unqualified success next year(Yikes! has anyone seen the SCHEDULE??!) Athbhliain faoi mhaise dhaoibh go léir,go mbeimid beo an am seo arís-Randy, you're going to have to trust me on these ones! L.O.L."
JetsWin1 Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 8:51pm ET"Fish fans can laugh now but look at Parcells' track record in year 2 at each of his stops. He's a great football mind that can improve any bad situation in year 1 but year 2, with the higher expectations and tougher schedule, has always proven to be worse. Don't be surprised to see the standings reversed in '09 w/ the fish battling Buffalo for last place. COWHER power in '09!!!!"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 9:11pm ET"SCJOE ..That was David Harris helped off the field #52 not # 56 hes not on the field long enough to get his uniform dirty let alone get carried off the field.. Shanahan Hmmm very interesting He develops a running game like no other .. Imagine what he could do with TJ -LEON & TONY R & 4 --1st rounders on the line ..Makes for a very interesting look see he sure knows how to coach "
To Miami Said:
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 10:28pm ET"Clemens??? Ratliffe should have started the final 3 games instead of Favre. In agreement however, with all other comments."
Frank Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:20am ET"Ray your an angry fellow drink some green Kool Aide and take your blood pressure medicine. I know it really irks you and some of the others that my knowledge and analysis run contratry to your blind loyalty. Just keep paying attention and you might learn something. Furthermore if you think patting myself on the back will lead to an MRI so be it... I am trying to keep some sanity on this site."
Frank Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:27am ET"Great to hear from you my favorite "Euro Jet" can't say I blame you for your for your Jet affinity interesting were your roots were developed...O'Brien to Walker I loved it. Funny you brought up the schedule I thought the same thing...the next coach is going to have his hands full...ouch!"
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:19am ET"Frank, I never once compared Favre to Pennington. I Liked Chad & wouldn't have let him go, but once he was gone I didn't root for him once. Its not fair to compare the two now, for better or worse. The analysis needs to be on the QB that played for the jets this year period. The discussion is do we want Favre back, it has nothing to do with Chad. Your evaluation of Favre is tainted by your love."
Frank Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 1:53pm ET"Mikey Mc you completely missed the point. The coaching staff, the personnel and the play calling was the problem not Chad vs Favre. We were watching a rerun of what happened last year with Chad in our system and Favre in our system. We still suffered the same awful QB play with 2 great QB's. It was the system. No QB including Brady would have done well under these circumstances the last 2 years."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:42pm ET"Frank , point taken . Lets move on from this whole mess, we fired the coach, which you believe was the entire problem, now lets fire the players that performed poorly.It serves no purpose to bring Favre back unless your keeping the same system & he is a willing participant in ALL of the OTA's, mini-camps & training camp, no special treatment.Bottom line is he needs to be committed 100%."
JR Said:
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:57pm ET"Randy...looking at your chart it would seem that Brett did no worse than Joe...Both gunslingers. I hope the current one returns with a good staff. What do you think about trying to find an eastablished coach that may not be so happy where they are already? Like say Gruden? Why would we want to hire a fired coach from another loser team? Been a pretty sad run as of the last 40 years...JETS..ALWAYS "
Ray Said:
Thu, January 1, 2009 - 12:54am ET"Frank now I'm angry because I disagree with you?? YOU bring sanity to this site? It's amazing with all your immense football knowledge your still here stumping with us little people instead of stomping the sidelines on sundays!! If I want football knowledge the LAST place I'm gonna go fishing for it is reading anyones posts in here. Thanks for the laughs though, you provide great comic relief!"
fedup37 Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 10:46am ET"It would seem that TO...oops...TJ is unhappy with the fact that he attempted 20 less runs yet got 193 more yards this year...oh yeah...12 more touchdowns. Darn...must be Favres fault..he should have gone out to dinner instead of staying in an office studying playbooks and films!! It was the whole team plus coaching that did you all in. Suck it in and keep it in the locker room!!"
PenningtonFAN Said:
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 11:26pm ET"If the Jets want to return to their successful ways then they will need to make an attempt to get back the man who brought wins to this franchise, Chad Pennington. The Jets fans wanted him gone (Clemens wasn't the answer and neither was Favre) but now they can only watch as he did what he did as a Jet...carry the team on his shoulders and make things happen (like making the playoffs!)"
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, January 4, 2009 - 9:54am ET"Pennington Fan you really dont have a clue do you ? Chad did not carry anything Miamis D & running game did "
CD Said:
Sun, January 4, 2009 - 12:54pm ET"I wish TJones would think before speaking to reporters about his isssues with Brett. His comments show his own arrogance and do nothing to benefit the team. Favre is a HOFamer. Jones has played for 4 different teams. Obviously, he is not a team player. Favre said and knows how important team chemistry is, Jones does not. It's not Bretts fault that the coaches treat him differently. "
Rick Said:
Sun, January 4, 2009 - 4:31pm ET"Still want Pannington back after he threw 4 picks in today's game? He has no arm! Brett is the only hope the Jets have next year. Without him they will be lucky to have a 500 season."
CD Said:
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 12:00pm ET"Well fin fans how do you like Mr. Pennington now? Chad is no Brett Favreand never will be. He does not love the game like #4 does. I would love to see Brett back with the Jets in 2009! In fact, 10 Chads could not = 1 Brett Farve. Chad's a nice kid, but boring to watch.. Go Jets, never give up."
vanallen3 Said:
Thu, January 15, 2009 - 1:11pm ET"i want chad back faver is washed up.mybe in his good yrs.but their done thats why the pack give him up.look what chad did this yr.know we got a o line and a d. u boot chad stupid.look what he did and faver lol.a jets fan."
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#1dolphinsfan Said:
Mon, December 29, 2008 - 5:48pm ET"i heard marinelli got fired too he wood be a great pick up for you guys happy newyears all!! go fins!!!"
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