Jets-Dolphins Flexed to 4:15 p.m. Kickoff
Published: Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:23am ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Leon Washington, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, Inside The Jets, Tony Richardson, Flex Scheduling
12/22 — The NFL has informed the Jets this morning that Sunday's regular-season finale against the Miami Dolphins at the Meadowlands will be flexed to a 4:15 p.m. start.
The Jets-'Fins game was originally scheduled for 1 p.m. but as the Jets' and Dolphins' seasons unfolded, the game was a target to be moved by the league under its flex-scheduling plan.
Then, with the Jets' loss at Seattle, Denver's loss to Buffalo and San Diego's win over Tampa Bay on Sunday, the AFC West title is suddenly in play, so the Broncos and Chargers will play for their division title and a playoff berth on NBC in primetime.
That presents an interesting late-afternoon scenario for the Jets and their fans. With New England playing at Buffalo at 1 p.m. and Baltimore hosting Jacksonville (originally 1 p.m., also flexed to 4:15 p.m., the Jets could know exactly what they'll be playing for.
If the Bills win, the Jets will be fighting the Dolphins for the AFC East title and the conference's third playoff seed. If the Patriots win, the Jets will need a win and a Ravens loss to get the sixth seed — and a road playoff game at New England. That means a little bit of scoreboard-watching for the fans in the stands.
If the Pats and Ravens both win, the Jets will be shut out of the playoffs.
Here's a vote for playing a meaningful game against the 'Fins at the Meadowlands late Sunday.
Leon's Still-Neon Season
Lost in the snow of Seattle was Leon Washington's continuing pursuit of another franchise record — most all-purpose yards in a season.
The record holder is Bruce Harper, who was almost untackleable during his career and never more so than in 1978, when he rolled up 2,157 yards of offense and returns, setting the franchise mark set 16 years earlier by Dick Christy, the Titans' multiple threat.
Washington came close to those marks last season before settling at 2,040 yards, fourth-most in team history.
With his 89 yards vs. the Seahawks, Washington passed his personal best plus Harper's 1980 total and Christy's '62 total. And now Leon needs a mere 7 yards against the Dolphins to pass Harper for the top rung of this ladder.
Here are the franchise's top five single-season all-purpose-yardage totals (*total includes minus-5 fumble yards):
| Season | Player | Rush–Rec–PR–KR | AP Yards |
| 1978 | Bruce Harper | 303–196–378–1,280 | 2,157 |
| 2008 | Leon Washington | 388–326–303–1,139 | 2,151* |
| 1962 | Dick Christy | 535-538-250-824 | 2,147 |
| 1980 | Bruce Harper | 126–634–242–1,070 | 2,072 |
| 2007 | Leon Washington | 353–213–183–1,291 | 2,040 |
"Inside the Jets"
Tonight's edition of "Inside the Jets" will feature FB Tony Richardson, long-snapper James Dearth and LB Jason Trusnik, along with Flight Crew members Ryann and Laura V. The show as always will kick off at 7 p.m. at Charlie Brown's steakhouse in Chatham, N.J.
A Word for Radar Commenters
I understand the degree of high emotions among Jets fans and especially Radar commenters this morning. But while I understand it, I also want to advise anyone about the rules of the Radar. Please, no obscenities, profanities or vulgarities (even of the abbreviated or coded variety), no namecalling or other personal attacks. If you think I'm some kind of comment cop as a result, well, I guess you're right.
If your comment contains any objectionable words, phrases or sentiments, your audience will be a party of one, myself, and then the comment will be declined. I'd rather you invest quality time in comments that will see the light of day on the Radar. As Dr. Cox repeatedly said on "Scrubs," help me to help you, help me to help you, help me ...
Fans Respond
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Randy Lange Said:
"Scott, I just got that word here as well and that has been corrected above. Thanks."
Damone Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:47am ET"You got me crying laughing over here Randy with that "word for radar commenters".Tell them how it is and how it's gonna be.LOL.Now with that said,i feel like typing some obscenities and vulgarities.Schotty doesn't call enough dink n dunk passes and Sutton isn't aggressive enough on D.Mangini should have recognized this and MADE them change.Both coordinators should be fired and maybe Eric as well!!"
Mike Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:51am ET"Dolphins 35, Jets 14 The final nail in the coffin. What a truly miserable year it has been. The year will end in typical SOJ fashion, ironically with a loss to Chad which wins the fins the division and knocks us out. Book it "
Anonymous Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:56am ET"Get a coach like Bill Cowher, regardless of what it costs. Change the name Jets to anything else. change the team colors from green and white to something more lively. Detach from the stigma that has haunted forever. "
uncle joe Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:08pm ET"Hey Randy,You should show Mangini the comments that don't make it threw!"
Dan C Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:10pm ET"My seat will be empty on Sunday. I've seen enough and refuse to waste my time on this team. They will get me for 3 hours Sunday on the tube, not a minute more."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:14pm ET"OK,if by 4:15 PM Sunday,we are totally out of the playoff race,do we win to keep Chad from getting last laugh or let Miami win so Belicheck can't go to the playoffs?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Since my original posting, uncle joe, we learned the NFL has also flexed Baltimore-Jacksonville to 4:15 p.m., which is now reflected in the above Radar entry."
Peter Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:15pm ET"I want to see what RATLIFF can do in some REAL NFL games. Base on how GOOD RATLIFF looked I want to give RATLIFF a chance. FAVRE arm is TIRED! At the start of the season FAVRE is rested & his arm is STRONG, but by game 6 FAVRE arm gets TIRED & FAVRE consistently throws his deep ball SHORT now. This will happen to FAVRE NEXT yr if the JETS bring FAVRE back. FAVRE ARM will get TIRED again next yr"
John Ballos Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:18pm ET"The offensive cordinator has to go. The Jets have the most talent in the division. They have Leon Washington, a great offensive line, Thomas Jones, Coles, Brett Farve etc. The bottom line is you cant blame the quarterback for all this. With all this talent, they need a person that utilize all of this talent on this team. Fire the head play caller."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:19pm ET"Hey Ex GB Fans if you're still here,Sorry but you were warned!You thought we were a bunch of cry babies.Do you understand what it is now to be a Jets Fan.The sad truth we will all be back next year.The Pot is Hot,We Know It's Hot,But We Keep Touching It.Thanks for your support this year,It was Fun for a little while."
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:22pm ET"I watch all the football talk on e.s.p.n. & n.f.l. network and radio and all, and they talk about all these coaches that are not going to be back but never mention mangini , & HE SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO GO AND IF HE COMES BACK I AM NOT WATCHING FOOTBALL NEXT YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!1 and ray belichec is laughing his head off because he knew mangini wasnt a good head coach ."
Ken Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:35pm ET"i KEEP telling you guys, the JETS as an ORGANIZATION are CURSED! Other than the LIONS and CLEVELAND, the JETS r the worst ORGANIZATION! It doesn't matter who COACHES for the JETS they r going to lose! BILL PARCEL couldn't even get the JETS to the SUPERBOWL! The JETS are a CURSED organization, along with the LIONS and CLEVELAND. & FAVRE arm is TIRED! FAVRE is STRONG at the START of the season."
Charlie Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:37pm ET"Shame on the so called fans that trashed the team. If anything attack the playcalling. Mangini is a good coach,yeah he should of went for the FG. But he is a draft monster. Keep the HC, dump the coordinators, promote Calahan and get a stud at Def. coordinator who knows the aggressive 3/4. The season isnt over, Go Buffalo and Beat Miami. GO JETS!!! and thank Blog Officer Lange for all that you do"
brando Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:38pm ET"Bottom line Favre was the worst mistake we made all season. And the worst part is that its not Favre's fault. If your going to trade for a gunslinger to stretch the field then you better start stretching the field. What I have seen is the same vanilla offense the Jets have been running since 2004. We always seem to be unprepared each week and I am tired of it. Give Cowher whatever he wants in 2009"
Robert Garcia Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:47pm ET"As a life long Jet fan (33 years), I've been through alot of hurt and disappointment but this final loss to Seattle has brought my hurt to an all-time low. When a team with so much talent and that spent so much money during the offseason and is called the best team in the AFC for a moment comes out and plays like the way they have; its coaching & i've come to the conclusion that Mangini must go"
Chris Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:51pm ET"Go Chad Pennington & Miami Dolphins! 1st time ever I'll be rooting against the Jets. Chad they did you very wrong and now they pay! Your a true gentlemen and LEADER. Please get rid of Eric Mangini. I'd call him Coach Mangini, but he truly isn't one from what I have witnessed. Woody, Wake Up! You've lost this fan. Don't lose others with poor executive decisions. "
HazyDavy Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:56pm ET"No obscenities, profanities or vulgarities , no namecalling or other personal attacks??? That's almost impossible to do after yesterday's performance, & their performance over the last 4 games. We need to make an exception to the "no profanity" rule for at least this 1 week. This team is an utter disgrace to NY, the NFL, & all of the dedicated Jet fans that have stuck with them thru thick and thin"
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 12:59pm ET"somebody is getting the last laugh anyways , I say belichec , if pennington gets the last laugh , that is such an embarassment to this organization and coaching staff and we waived him, didnt even trade him"
bob jets fan 45 years Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:00pm ET"Randy, let`s get real about this thing. They can flex the Jets to anytime they want, but the bottom line is this: they`re still losers. Woody if you`re listening you got to consider hiring Bill Cowher. You owe Jets fans that much."
HMJetsfan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:02pm ET"I think it is time for the Jets to go in a new direction with their coaching staff. Where is the leadership from the coaching staff? Show some emotion. The entire organization should be ashamed of themselves. Losing to the pitiful Seahawks!! Ugh.. Just another losing Jets season. Same ole jets.."
Kyle Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:06pm ET"Every real fan should be routing for Chad on Sunday. Brett Farve is not a Jet and never will be. What a mistake brining him here. "
Marco Albertini Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:09pm ET"Oh boy :( Since the Oakland game I hated the Jets so much cuz that game was the easiest one with lots of Yellow Flags for the Oakland therefore, they lose moreover, after beating the Titans they changed to a different weak team :( I want Chad Pennington back In the start of the season I watched the 1st four Miami games and I knew it Chad never dies. I bet Laveranues Coles missed Chad's Passes :("
jak, 21 wk jet fan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:10pm ET"well its not looking good..but the jets still have a chance of making the playoffs.wow.. randy you were busy with all those posts.last time i checked there were around 300 comments last night. "
Randy Lange Said:
"jak, this is the 428th comment I've posted on Eric Allen's two Radar entries from Seattle on Sunday and on my blog late this morning. But who's counting?"
Nel Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:14pm ET"To Uncle Joe from a Packer Fan who was a Jet Fan all year...this is part of blog on the 5th down in NYTimes I posted today. This year was an impossible pipe dream for Favre and the Jets. No matter what Mangini dials up, it fails. Favre gets sacked more times than turkeys in grocery stores at Thanksgiving. High powered O-line can’t protect. Same old plays over and over (part 1)"
Nel Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:17pm ET"(part 2) ...And ironically, Favre tends to throw boneheaded passes in desperation to make something happen because the Offense has nothing else to offer despite two awesome running backs. That’s the story of his career in GB too. He refused to accept that his teams were inferior when they truly were inferior - so he tried impossible passes to win - so he gets one more game to do the same thing..."
JetsWin1 Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:26pm ET"The irony of ironies....my mail was just delivered and included in it were my Jets playoff tickets. You cannot make this stuff up. Every move that this organization makes is just doomed."
Leenie in NC Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:28pm ET"It's not Favre's fault. Because of Favre the Jets went on a 5 game winning streak. We were the talk of the town! What happened was coaching. I LOVED Mangini and Shotty but for some reason they got away from playing JETS football. The play calling has been terrible. I am not being a Monday Morning QB. I have been screeming this from my couch for weeks. Keller was our 3rd down guy.Where has he been "
day Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:29pm ET"It would be good to know why a comment was rejected. I have sent in some and nothing ever is printed. And as far as I know, i have not viloated any of the "rules" for this blog. IN any event Mangini has got to go. I liked him at first but his decisions and his coaching staff are second rate. But also, lets face it. We are not an elite team. We have no offensive playmakers, except Leon."
Kyle Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:30pm ET"Chris, Chad was not right for this team. He wouldn't have done well this year with the Jets,8-8 at best.Bob Sutton needs to go.When the commentators are saying there's no pass rush, the D coordinator is clueless And shame on Mangini for not stepping up and smacking Sutton upside the head. Schotty must go too,he does not know how to adjust to in game conditions.Quick slants dont work in bad weather"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:37pm ET"Uncle Joe "the pot is hot", You nailed it. just read 400 posts & I feel all of you. I wanted Mangini to be successful so bad maybe it clouded what was in front of my eyes. Heres how I feel, beat the fins & hope for help or pack your bags pal. I don't want to hear from Mike the ex who's been singing the same song since we were 8-3 nobody could have predicted this. Frank good luck W/ the G-men."
MiamiJer Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:40pm ET"The Jets are done for the season. Even if they made the playoffs, they wouldn't go far if they had to play the Ravens in the first round or the peaking Pats down the road. Favre has been flat in the second half of the season, having the worst year of his pro career. Mangini should have kept Pennington with his uninspiring offense. The team is too Jekyl and Hyde to be contenders!"
Gary Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:41pm ET"Last time I was this heartbroken was 1994. Jets at 6-5, went on to lay 5 rotten eggs, miss playoffs and fire Carrol. Brett, I like ya, but you were nothing but a big tease this year. Who to blame? Mangini coached some real doozys this year. But my biggest complaint is with the D ... TOO SOFT! 3 man rush needs to go, tackling must improve, and get a NEW D coordinator with killer instinct!!!!! "
Tony Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:43pm ET"In my opinion, and for the most part, Brett Favre has done what the Jets expected him to do. Believe me, this loss hurts, and it ranks right up there with one of the most dissapointing ones that I can remember, but I did see more points put up on the board this year than previous years with Chad. And I am a Chad fan. Smart guy, great leader, class act, etc... "
BC Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:45pm ET"It's time for the Jets to do what they do best - lay down, take a beating, and let Chad and the Dolphins win the division. At least we can keep the Pats out of the playoffs that way. Just play your usual, emotionless December football for one more game and give Jet fans what little satisfaction we can have by knowing Pats fans share our fate."
Steve Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:46pm ET"I'm glad I was around to see Joe Namath lead the Jets to a superbowl victory because it may be the only one they win in my lifetime. The coaching this year was horrible. Using Favre the way they did was like pulling back the reins on a thoroughbred horse in a race. Chad was one of the most accurate passers dinking and dunking, so why get Bret to run the same boring offense. We need Cower."
BC Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:47pm ET"Jet fans who go to next week's game, if you want change, root hard for Chad and the Doplhins. Make this loser coaching staff think they're playing on the road. Maybe then ownership will get the message and clean house."
Tony Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:51pm ET"The Jets didn't move the ball with Chad so I'm glad for the change, regardless what Brett has done. I hate the picks he's thrown as much as anyone but Chad wasn't getting it done. Also, don't forget, Chad was great for us for a season or two in the beginning and then his numbers dropped off significantly. So I think he'll be exposed next year in Miami for the average QB that he is."
Jets Fan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:53pm ET"With six guys going to the pro-bowl, I don't count Brett because he's in a name-in entry, they shouldn't be in this position. This is bad coaching and bad managing, plain and simple. We never should have gotten rid of Chad, he wins games. We have mortgaged our future for one season of almost .500 football. Just plain dumb."
troy Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:53pm ET"wow! we loose to 49ers, radiers, and seahawks! in the same season? 3 of the worst teams! that should've been 3 easy wins! i have never been ashamed to be a jets fan untill this year.... i dont want the jets to make playoffs, they don't deserve it!"
supercooljetfan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 1:56pm ET"i know we gonna beat the dolphins bad on sunday but it wont make no difference becuause the ravens and pats are gonna win their games."
Ray Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:00pm ET"jett jeff I understood what you were saying and I was saying he isn't laughing because he needs that same coach to win on sunday, he is probably on the phone giving him advice right now!"
joey jet Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:01pm ET"I am convinced that Namath sold his soul to the devil to win Super Bowl 3 It doesnt matter who we draft who coaches us what free agents come over this organization is plagued and we will continue to suffer as fans supporting them.Thank the Lord I have to daughters and not a son who would have to go through this misery like me and my brothers.If i ever do have a son I will buy him any jerseybutJets"
Joe Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:02pm ET"To Brando above: The problem is that Favre can't run the vertical offense anymore. Two of the times in the past two weeks, Favre underthrew an open deep receiver for a pick, with at least 3 or more incomplete yesterday. I'd been defending the Favre pickup because Pennington might be doing well in the great weather of Miami but its tougher to throw in NJ, but Favre can't do it anymore either."
Sam / Pro Bowl JETS? Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:06pm ET"Can some one please tell me how the jets can be sending 7 players to the PRO BOWL with this JETS team? How can the jets can be sending 7 players to the PRO BOWL with this JETS team? It doesn't make sense!"
Courtney Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:07pm ET"I've been a Jets fan since I was in diapers (23 yrs. ago) and I have never been so disappointed in my team ever!!! I cried yesterday with that digustingly played game. That was a game we should not have lost and I hate to say it, but we're out of the play-offs. Chad is coming back for revenge and unless we play like we were a few weeks back, we can kiss the playoffs goodbye!!"
NJ Jet Fan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:07pm ET"The talent on this team and the constant lack of using Leon Washington makes this the most inept coaching staff in the NFL - we are the only team that can make a 2 & 3 string o-Line look like probowl playes............ Woody give Coach Cower some ownership in J&J stock and bring him full-time to NJ! This staff MUST GO!"
Don Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:08pm ET"Did Chad ever throw as bad and as stupid an interception as Favre did yesterday throwing off his back foot, trying to throw across the field in the snow? And how about underthrowing Clowney when he had a step on the DB? He is washed up. Anyone remember the INT in OT against the Giants last year. Get this guy outta here. He wants to be a Jet as much as I want to be a Giants fan. Good riddance."
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:12pm ET"NEL give it a rest hey, favre is done!! cooked like that turkey you refer to he threw weak passes all day its been tiresome for me all season to listen to you favre aholics and how great 4 is the truth is and always will be. how great he was favre should have stayed retired in GB now we the JETS fans will have to endure all post season the favre drama once again so spare me the love act he is done"
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:16pm ET"but that said to his defence his bone headed coaching staff did not help him and i for one am not looking foward to seeing Mangini on the sidelines nxt yr i will not be happy if thats the case this so called coaching should be put to film as an example to up and comming coaches of what not to do. it was pathetic at the least. SO WHAT SAY YOU WOODY YOU HAPPY WITH THIS EXCUSE OF A COACHING STAFF????"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:26pm ET"Why does anyone think that Cowher would ever, even for a second consider the Jets? Next to the Raiders this has to be the worst job in the NFL. Rabid , worn out, beat-up fans with no patience, Jets being in the Giants shadow & in the AFC east with the Pats & now Parcell's fins.Its a lose, lose , lose situation & Cowher could write his own ticket, there is no way that ticket is punched fo N.Y. ."
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:30pm ET"JUST FOR THE RECORD I STILL LOVE MY NEW YORK JETS, AND I KNOW YOU ALL DO AS WELL, SO AS HARD AS IT IS KEEP THE FAITH WOULD BE VERY FUNNY IF THE STARS LINE UP RAVENS LOSE DOLPHINS GO DOWN CHAD GOES HOME THE LOSER JETS GET THE PLAYOFF SHOT AFTER ALL SO WITH THIS SEASON THE WAY ITS BEEN WE ARE SO DO FOR THE BIG WIN ANY SUNDAY HEY GUYS. yaaawn ok my wife just woke me up and i am late for work darn it "
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:30pm ET"favre, faneca & jenkins should pass on pro- bowl to save the afc & jets fans the embarassment"
Drew Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:31pm ET"Just when I think I have completely given up on this season I think to myself..Can Jacksonville go into Baltimore and beat the Ravens? Do I even want to root for this to happen? We all know that NE is going to crush the Bills but our Jets will keep me suffering for another week..While I do understand that some fans are rooting for Chad ...we could win/Raven loss and play NE in 1st round."
Christopher Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:32pm ET"Sorry Randy, Leon's accomplishment means nothing any more. Nobody's individual acheivements mean anything at this point. I've been a fan a long time and this is the worst it has ever been, even worse than missing 2 field goals against Pittsburgh. Go Miami??? I can't believe I'm writing that...excuse me I need to puke now."
Rick Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:34pm ET"The Jets have the right players. Last year they only won 4 games. This year, we have a chance to still get in the playoffs. Favre has played between outstanding and fair depending on the game. Just like in Green Bay. The coaches need to call the right plays. Many times they don't. That is the disconnect!"
chris Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:36pm ET"What are you talkin about "Playing Jets football"? if they knew how to play football, we wouldnt be in this situation year after year. What we need to due is get rid of this coaching staff and impliment some new defenses and light the fire under these guys buts. We are the METS OF FOOTBALL for goodness sake. We need a coach like Bill Cowher who wont put up with these loses without answers."
wayne Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:39pm ET"Here we go with the Chadfans.It would have been no different if he was here.The only thing these guys ever grasped was how to take the team down.How to get their money.They got that from Kendall, then Coles and Baker did same.Favre took a beating early and never recovered.See effects on Romo now and Roethlesberger earlier.Under same condition Chad wouldn't have survived.Now pay your all-pros."
Ray Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:39pm ET"Drew don't apologize to people, you are a big fan of the Jets and prefered to show that by taking the positive approach all year. If it weren't for you and Ira, MikeMc, unclejoe and a few others, think how these blogs would have looked all year. It's all about balance. Yesterday was tough for everyone. But (inspite of what several had said) today, tomorrow and beyond we are Jet Fans For Life!"
Rick Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:40pm ET"About the people that Chad, well what did he do for the Jets last year? Only 4 wins! No one has put the Jets in the Super Bowl except Nameth, and that was a long time ago!"
Straymind Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:06pm ET"I´ve thought a lot about this and I think it comes down to over thinking. Everyone called this guy Man-genius it´s not like his brain fell out. At the same time it´s pretty silly to run a screen pass in the snow on third and 17. So why do it? Because we´re getting cute because we´re playing chess not football, because we are out thinking ourselves. We beat Tennessee by physically dominating them."
Adam Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:07pm ET"This 3-4 defense is terrible. We have no pass rush. I have an idea. I am being completely serious. Maybe next game we can try rushing 2 in passing situations and dropping 9. Rushing 3 or 4 gets us zero pass rush. If we drop 9 the 9th guy can spy the quarterback and double picking up the guy running the 4 yard crossing pattern that ends up going for 12 yards."
marty lorenzo Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:08pm ET"Mangini is playing scared and not to lose and it shows. With the talent the Jets have at the skill positions there is no way they should lose to below 500 teams.Here in So.Florida the fans can't wait for ''THE GAME''. "
JAC Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:14pm ET"Just watched mangini press conference. This guy can put anybody to sleep. Despite all of Herm's shortcomings, he will still go down as a better coach than mangini. Mangini is in over his head, when he gets fired, I think we will all start hearing the negative comments which till this point have been kept quiet."
sam Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:16pm ET"Blame it on the coaches, they are young and do not no what to call in these situations"
ray Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:17pm ET"Let's see the real problem guys. The Jets have been playing not to lose since the Tennesse game. Yesterdays game was another example of Mangini losing backbone. We need to go back to the Herm Edwards days of "We play to win the game, we play to win the game". The team has a defeated mentality if they feel the game is going to be close and has to protect a 3 point lead. "
uncle joe Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:23pm ET"I'm on board for an entire staff change but,yesterday the D really only gave up 10 points and they were on the field all day.I think Sutton was worried about Wallace running.But our O has scored nothing for weeks.They keep catering to Coles and he hasn't done nothing.Shouldve got Roy Williams when you had the chance.We Have No TE!"
David Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:31pm ET"let's get to the point here!. Chad was let go because they say he does not have the arm, they bring in jenkins to shore up defense line, they bring in a couple offensive lineman, yes to wr are slow (don't scare anyone). The offensive coordinator has no clue how to attack a def, the def is set to bend and not break instead of attacking. All that said, the H.C. is reponsible and should be fired!"
Eric Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:42pm ET"The reason for the painful downturn coming off a really impressive 3 game winning streak ON THE ROAD! (Buffalo, NE, & Tennessee) is intangible. We stopped playing to win and started playing not to lose. Only risks we take now are Brett hucking it 60 yards downfield. Shame on you deserters. Go root for the Giants and try not to look in any mirrors. I'll be with my team when they need me the most."
John Conlin Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 3:48pm ET"Been a fan since day 1 at the Polo Grounds with the Titans.Still travel over 2 hours each way to home games . Now we have reached a point where the Jets are no longer worth the price of a ticket or the price of the NFL package for away games. The team is boring,without emotion and predictable to a fault . Someone needs to pay the price for a team with 6 pro bowlers and no hope"
J. Thueson Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:15pm ET"Mangini is no genius, even the illiterate jet bloggers here get that. After 43 years as a devout Jet fanatic I will sadly turn my colors to blue and white and root for the team that showed us heart and spirit in last nights comeback gem! Go Giants, Goodbye Jets :( Oh and all you jet bloggers, use spell check!"
Drew Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:24pm ET"Ray...My apology was not for me for being a big fan it was for the fact that I threw Mangini in people's faces because I truly thought he was going to take this team to a different level. At 8-3 I was riding high and looking down on the "haters".Since then Mangini has crashed and the fire is still not out yet. I still disagree with 90% of what the haters but it looks like I was wrong on this coach"
Alan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:39pm ET"How do we lose to the FOUR sub-par teams? How can our defense let a second rate offensive line look like the HOGS? Why did Thomas jones not get the rock? Why didn't we blitz more often?..I will tell you why..Mangini has to go! The OC has to go! Sutton GOTTA go!..Hire Bill Cowher get Matt Cassel and please get another shut down corner to play with revis. Nuff' said!"
PSL CASUALTY Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:42pm ET"Please win sunday because it will be the last game my family can go to because of PSL's. We have been loyal Jets fans and ticket holders for 32 years and would like to end that on a positive note. The PSL situation has been painful enough. "
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:45pm ET"mangini presser, the kicker was when he was asked what he thought about the impending chad bowl and he said that chad is just another "GOOD' QB they have faced this yr. UHHH? Was he talking about Wallace, hill, russell? Surely he wasn't! If chad was such a good QB what the heck did you let him go to miami for!........as the franchise continues to contribute to its futlity. i cant take it anymore"
Don Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:51pm ET"Does anyone remember Willie Mays as a Met in 1973? That's what Favre reminds me of the last 4 games."
Rob Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:51pm ET"As much as i'd like to agree, Mangini cannot go out and catch the dropped pass or underthrow a ball or mis tackle someone or miss an assignment. Our play has been sloppy in few games and players have to be first to point fingers at each other and held each other accountable. I think Mangini is a good coach, may be not the best motivator though...he needs to yell at guys during half time wake 'em"
Don Blondello Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:53pm ET"I am sorry to say Mangini may have learned much from Belichick. He has to date failed to put it to use. He instills no confidence in his men. He showed us that again on Sunday. If you have any doubts just look at Pennington. We need a coach like Parcells bring the Tuna back."
JD Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:54pm ET"After 37 years with this team, I'm done. I'm not going to renew my tickets. It's over for me. I just can't take it anymore."
Oscar Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:55pm ET"Hey Randy, Ok well I just wanted to ask this because I did read your article and I never hear the ESPN or NFL Network analyst talk about how the Jets can get the sixth seed in the playoffs. So if the Jets win and Ravens lose they automatically get the last Wild Card spot for the AFC? Just wanted to make sure so I can be less confused."
Randy Lange Said:
"Oscar, if the Patriots beat Buffalo and the Jets then beat Miami and Baltimore loses to Jacksonville, the Jets get the sixth seed because they would then have beaten the Dolphins twice and would get the seed ahead of the Ravens based on conference record (8-4 to the Ravens' 7-5)."
ed duignam Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:58pm ET"I cannot believe Mangini actually "smirking" during his presser today! I really believe he thinks he is smarter than everyone else...3 games...Goal line against the PATS(run-run-run), empty backfield for Favre to get pummeled against Oakland and Yesturday's JOKE!......3 games Mangini is accountable for a LOSS!....He should apologize to the Fans!..Then Quit!...ARROGANT!"
ed duignam Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:09pm ET"A few nuggets: Mangini says he kicks the field goal because the weather could get worse? (which means eric, you may not get this chance for a touchdown again according to your logic), also, all the sportswriters that like the Giants are defending Mangini!....HAHA...They want to prolong our torture!"
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:21pm ET"did anyone hear manginis press conference, is this guy for real , he has no clue, he has no business being in charge and he doesnt care , he gives all the credit to the seahawks- he says played great , THATS A HORRIBLE , PATHETIC TEAM THAT BEAT US and so are the raiders,49ers,broncos, chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 and they all beat us "
ed duignam Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:30pm ET"More Facts: Derek Ward (awesome last night) used to be a Jet, Jon Vilma(116 tackles, 86 solo vs. David Harris 70 tackles, 50solo) use to be a Jet. John Abraham (16.5 sacks, twice as many as any Jet) use to be a Jet, Chad Pennington(need i say more) use to be a Jet....Why do these player go on to play their hearts out after leaving this team???? The Answer is SOOOO CLEAR!"
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:32pm ET"Ray , you are right , I am just really upset right now , and mangini acts & talks like he could care less. he should have taken belicheck,s advice years ago and not taken the jets job!!!!!!!!!!! "
Troy in Houston Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:37pm ET"Amazingly this team still has 2 outs to get in the playoffs,after being furious for about the last 20 hours ,Im starting to think this is the only way fate would have it ala 2002 with NE beating fins and NYJ needing to win at home,Im getting this weird feeling that we still get in. Not sure who helps us the BIlls or JAX ,but with the way the season has gone its only fitting they turn it arond now"
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:39pm ET"MikeMc , you said it perfect , everyone wants cowher, this is a mess here especially after giants repeat, GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!! DO US A SECOND FAVOR THIS MONTH"
ed duignam Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:39pm ET"OH, and Guess who got rid of all the players in my previous post????...you got it, MANGINI!......Its time to get rid of Mangini!"
Troy Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 5:46pm ET"continue from my last post, I just dont see us letting the hated Fins and Chad come in a push us around at home (its a pride thing at this point not just our possible post season )Mangini sounded like a guy who knows his butt is on the line this week. I dont know why but this burst of confidence that were going to get in has me forgetting the last 4 weeks,hey it is XMAS time anything can happen?"
Alex Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:08pm ET"Mangini needs to go. The Jets need a coach like Bill Cowher or Brian Billick. I would even like to see Herman Edwards back at least he coaches to WIN THE GAME."
Shep13 Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:28pm ET"If the backup QB's in three of the last four games can look like All Pros against this listless Jet defense, how do the Jets expect to stop Pennington, probably the 5-10 yard passer in a generation? Add that to the lack of a consistent run defense, it won't matter if the Jaguars or Bills step up. "
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:30pm ET"Ray you are right we are " jet fans for life", Drew ,the haters were hatin when we were 8-3 & Mangini knew what he was doin.So don't apoligize, they didn't when we beat Tenn & NE. Now we see the lack of effort, poor game plan, no sense of urgency & we react. Blame the players also, yes Favre.The answer is we root for our team on Sunday because misery loves company, and for once Belicheck needs us."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:34pm ET"Mikey Mc let me correct you I've been saying it since we were 2-2 knew he was the worst coach we had yet .. Guess some people will never learn you know what they say 1 born every min & fool & his money soon parted good luck bud "
Oscar Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:41pm ET"Totally agree with Troy in Houston. Hopefully you're right because this weekend im going to a Sports bar down here in miami with a bunch of Dolphin Fans' friends. So don't dissapoint me PLEASE Jets! Although i'm mad at how we've played I still have a weird feeling either the Pats or Ravens are going to lose. Let's just hope. Prove us wrong Mangini... While I still have alittle faith in you."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:50pm ET"Mikey Mc wouldn't be so fast to defend Mangini on this site right now .. Over 300 bloggers are saying & calling for Mangini head right now .. Didn't want to be right but was so obvious how bad he has been right from the start .. Mikey men are from mars women from venus .. Just in case you didn't know that either "
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 7:07pm ET"& yet there it is Ray as usual apolagising for Mangini again .. Don't worry Ray every1 knows believe me.. How stupid do you think fans are time to look in the mirror son . "
jet-B-liever Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 7:28pm ET"I'm one of the ex Packer fan's. I really can't believe all the negativity going o here. WE CAN STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS people! The Jets have been stepping up all year against the good teams. If we get in, i think we do some serious damage, if not take it all. Laugh all you want but you all witnessed the Patrioits&Titans games! I got a funny feeling about this weekend too. We will crush the Phins!"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 7:29pm ET"HEY JETS FANS did you hear the latest news from the Mangini groupies now cause we don't like MANGINI WERE NOT JETS FANS ONLY THEY ARE & can't stand the disapointment year after year after year after year oops sorry got carried away .. AMAZING we want a winner not loser.. This 4 game stinkfest was the ultimate slap in the face for real Jets fans god men rasie the bar man up "
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 8:14pm ET" You see Mike The Ex this is why I defended Mangini all these weeks, idiotic posts by you. You clearly had an agenda from the start of the season, your posts have been the same day in & day out. The other 300 posters that want Mangini fired are not like you. They are reacting to this Dec. meltdown. The worst coach ever? he is what he is & thats mediocre, he can win big ones & lose easy ones."
Jeremy Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 8:21pm ET"Can someone tell me what Callahan is doing for this team? The running game is solid, but if shotty is calling plays it takes the back seat. Callahan needs to have more say in the plays-he is after all the asst. head coach. It's honestly ridiculous at this point to be throwing the ball first and not running TJ & Leon. If Shotty can't get it done let Callahan call the plays. "
brian ex-packer fan Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 8:38pm ET"Hey I have to say that this has been a great year. I watched the Jets 07 and not to sharp. Not to bad either. This is a good play in the right direction. Take an overtime feildgoal and we're in 1ST,so if you can do better then apply for the job. Great job guys! "
Gary Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 8:43pm ET"This is Ray Fossil football. This team lost it's will to win. Go Chad."
ken Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 9:16pm ET"Mangini must go. We have all star caliber players on offense and the play calling the last 4 weeks has blown chunks....."
martin Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 9:42pm ET"this just in mangini quits and brett favre is coming back next season and mike holmgren just signed a 3 yr deal with the jets..yea baby,go jets"
Ray Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:14pm ET"Here I go explaining simple english to you once again mike ex. I don't think "fans" are stupid ex, just you, but that is blatantly obvious to anyone who bothers to "listen" to your posts. I wrote a post directed to Drew telling him not to apologize to anyone in here, because he has nothing to apologize for. You somehow turned that into me making excuses for mangini. So feel free mike ex....."
tbarr11 Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:24pm ET"obviously the heartache is to much for you "guys" so why don't we all just get it over with and root for the darn Giants, real fans stick with there team, no matter what and i'm sure you're all fed up, (as am I) but the only true problem is us, even when we're losing during home games we're what bring the team back into the game, as the fans go, so go the the jets"
Ray Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:57pm ET"...the sideline are not reasons why he is a bad coach. Other fans point out valid things like no adjustments, afraid to take chances, horrible game plans. 3RD (3TH is not a word-threeth?) when I said "yesterday was tough for EVERYONE" and "WE are Jet Fans For Life" those are all inclusive words. Finally, it'd be Gr8 (G8=gate which I'd like to show you) if you stick to things you know....nothing!"
iowachick Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 1:50am ET"Yesterday was a very disappointing loss, but I can't believe how you are throwing favre and the team to alligators already. They have ONE MORE GAME and the COULD make the playoffs. At the beginning of the year, the team was just expected to be better than last year. They are. Don't throw the team under the bus yet!! They need you. So Chad is better with the fins- it wasn't a good fit. Go Jets!!"
chris n Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 5:24am ET"I get so sick of reading the negative comments posted by so called Jets fans. I have followed the Jets since 1968 and I stay with them through thick and thin. If anyone is a real fan they take the good with the good and the bad with the bad. How about a little positive reinforcement?"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 6:51am ET"MikeyMC my boy let me correct you again My agenda started last season wanted him gone then...But as apples & oranges go what you call idiotic I call forsight to me you just don't have any . You proved that over & over"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 6:59am ET"Cont. & as for the other 300 posts you say are just reacting to DEC meltdown .. Guess you should read them again most are saying the same.. DO you have OCD or what? Now if you mean DEC meltdown 40 years in a row then I can give you credibility other then that what esle can you do but get all defencive on me sniff sniff .. Grow up "
ann Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 8:06am ET"The Jets can not play 4:00 games, they lost every 4:00 game this year, and now they moved the Miami game to 4:00. Well I guess our season is over... Good luck Pennington... Go Pennington!!!!"
Bill Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 8:54am ET"Randy, As I have said in another articles comment section. The Jets as time has showed "Are the same old Jets". Mangini has proved he cannot inspire or properly coach this team. This Sunday may very well be a first for this 40+ year Jet fan, If NE beats the Bills, I will be rooting for the Dolphins from my seats in the Meadowlands."
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 9:13am ET"Chris N here is some positive my Jets pal ok the Jets control there side and outright beat the fins 35-28 with me so far now the Ravens lose to Jacksonvile Pats clobber the Bills this is great so far , i cant believe it Jets are some how the Miricle Jets once more,who would of thought somehow the New York Jets back in the Palyoffs as the 6th and final seed what a crushing blow to Chad and the fins"
sal Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 11:35am ET"Happy Holidays Randy, Healthy New Year One thing that really gets me, I know its ends w/ the head coach, but not once in all the programs Ive watches the past week, not once was the offensive geniious the Jets have, was talked about. There is plenty to analyze there, like one decent drive a game for the last month. I dont blame him for everyting, but 3 points? come on. "
sal Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 11:50am ET"The D has been the media/blogging punching bag for the last month, rightly so. But the offence should be treated like a speed bag, Same w/ mangini, he should be a punchin bag, but shotenheimer, oh boy were is my speed bag 3 points come on, and maybe sutton can figure out the prevent is not a 4 qtr game plame, just the end of the game when the offence scores more than 3 *#%$*#%& points"
gary Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 1:46pm ET"I bet the Lions wish they had the Jets this weekend."
sal Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 1:51pm ET"Randy, probably one thing that bother most fans w/ Eric, is his refusal to throw anyone under the bus., and the players follow suit.Which is admirable, But after listening to an Ellis post game interview, he definetly starting off by criticizing the offence not puttin up points, but caught himself, by statin the D did not stop em either. There is alot going on we dont know about. "
joe Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 2:18pm ET"PSL'S HOW ABOUT PLEASE STOP LOSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT THE GIANTS! WHO WOULD/COULD AFFORD PSL'S!!!!!!!!"
sal Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 4:20pm ET"The NFL needs to wait till the end of the season to put pro bowl roosters together, not that i even watched the game. but now you got guys that dont belong Bad Job Commish"
Dave Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 5:00pm ET"Looks like we're only allowed to say 'nice' things about the Jets on this blog so: "Real nice job you've been doing, Fellas"."
JR Said:
Tue, December 23, 2008 - 5:30pm ET"FIRE EVERYONE ...STARTING WITH MANGINI...DO IT NOW!!! WE HAVE PLENTY OF TALLENT THAT IS POORLY UTILIZED AND GUESS WHOS FAULT THAT IS? THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE IN THIS KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE....NEED HELP TO GET IN THE PLAYOFF PICTURE...MANGINI....YOU SHOULD DO THE RIGHT THING...RESIGN TODAY!!!"
Al Harding Said:
Sat, December 27, 2008 - 11:02am ET"I think the jets need to get rid of coles, he is a pathetic excuse for a receiver--Period. He cannot catch a pass when it is needed. Also, why do we start off so good and after the first we cannot do anything the rest of the game? Does shotty have that short a memory?"
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Scott Said:
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 11:46am ET"NFL.COM is reporting the Jax - Balt game has been changed to 4:15."
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