Mangini on Pro Bowl, Nicknames, Destiny
Published: Wed, December 17, 2008 - 3:34pm ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Snow, Eric Mangini, Dave Hutchinson, Erik Boland, Bob Glauber, Qwest Field
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12/17 — The tone at times was lighthearted at Eric Mangini's news conference today, and in part that was due to the afterglow of getting seven of the head coach's players to Hawaii for the Feb. 8 Pro Bowl.
"I was really happy for them," Mangini said, beaming, in his first remarks since the NFL announced the Green & White bonanza Tuesday afternoon. "There's recognition outside our room that we have a good group of players. I'm pleased for them and it just reinforces what's been said over and over.
"What really made me happy was that I called each guy, they were obviously pleased with that, but they all talked about the other guys, it was all about their accomplishments in the context of the guys they work with. 'This is great, but we have to move on to Seattle.' I felt like a proud parent."
There were some other light moments in regard to the sweater choices of Newsday's Erik Boland and the Star-Ledger's Dave Hutchinson pressing Mangini because the coach wouldn't single out one or two of his Pro Bowlers above the others that he's particularly happy for, and to Newsday columnist Bob Glauber's question about the shots he's taken from reporters and by extension fans over the past few years.
"You can get a nickname one year and get a revised nickname the next year," Mangini said to laughter from reporters, some of whom helped create those nicknames. "Some are nice, some are not so nice. My mom is probably more affected by that than I am. ... I respect the fact that everybody has an opinion on the way things should go and what should be done."
But it wasn't all seashells and balloons today because there is an important game coming up at Seattle and most of the questions and answers were serious, specifically about the position the Jets find themselves in: winning out and winning the AFC East title, or losing and possibly losing their grip on a playoff berth.
"It's always about the ability to control your own destiny," Mangini said. "You can create whatever you want to create, write whatever story you want to write. It's so important that everybody understands that. I really believe that every single day we all get to make choices, and if we make the right choices collectively, good things will happen. But you can't come in and work hard one day, relax the next day. It doesn't work like that.
"I think the guys are excited. I think they enjoy where we are at this point of the season. It's just a great opportunity and now you've just got to seize the opportunity."
One thing many want the Jets to do is to seize the opposing quarterback in the pocket more. "Hutch" asked the coach about blitzing.
"I'm not afraid to blitz. I've always enjoyed blitzing," he said. "But to me it's got to be calculated, it's got be for a specific purpose, it's got to be sound. All of those things are really important. I think you ve seen some games where we've blitzed 60 times and some games where we haven't blitzed at all. And there's usually good reason for it — what theyre doing against the blitz, what the matchups are, what the risk/reward is."
Mangini also addressed the three-man-rush question, something he said he and his staff broke down recently.
"There were almost as many sacks in three-man rushes as there were in pressures — which you would think wouldn't be the case," he said. "But that's another function of the coverage being better down the field. When you drop eight, the holes are a lot smaller."
My own unofficial research supports the success of the three-man in terms of raw sack numbers. Here are the Jets' 40 sacks this season broken down by number of rushers:
| Number of Rushers | Sacks | Number of Rushers | Sacks |
| 3-Man Rush | 7 | 6-Man Rush | 4 |
| 4-Man Rush | 13 | 7-Man Rush | 1 |
| 5-Man Rush | 15 | Total | 40 |
Snow Big Deal
Needless to say, this doesn't show the percentages of sacks per total three-man rushes, say, and it doesn't say how the Jets' pass defense has fared when the QB doesn't get sacked and still finds his receivers against the eight in coverage. But as a changeup against the right team, it can produced pressure and sacks.
The snow fell last night, a couple of inches' worth, and the plows were out this morning clearing the turf field and one grass field outside of the Atlantic Health Training Center. It looked as if the Jets were going to take today's practice outdoors. But no, Mangini conducted the workout inside the fieldhouse.
He may want to consider taking the show outside Thursday and/or Friday: the weather forecast for Seattle and Qwest Field on Sunday is for 29 degrees and snow.
P-Squad Maneuverings
Mangini announced four practice squad transactions — two departures, two arrivals.
Newly signed are G Ryan Keenan (who was with the Giants and Colts last year before signing with the Packers' practice squad) and DL Brian Schaefering (released by the Browns in August).
To make room, DL Ropati Pitoitua was placed on Injured Reserve/Practice Squad and OL Kyle DeVan was released.
Also, QB Erik Ainge has returned to the Jets' locker room following his four-game NFL suspension.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (85)Ira Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:19pm ET"randy, very surprised that Eric practiced inside if the prtice fields were covered with snow or wet. I understand he doesn't wan t anybody to get hurt but like you wrote if the forecast is correct it will be a snowy day. Funny thing is the last 2 times Favre has played the Hawks it has snowed. He is 1-1 in those games.Jets will win this week. No looking back now. Time to put it all together."
wayne Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:25pm ET"So they've gotten theirs awards now.Will small, personal success once again lead to complacency?A5 game win streak was too much for them to handle.Do they step up or do they start prepping for Hawaii? If nothing else the next 2 wks will be very interesting."
Anthony Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:27pm ET"I am so happy for the Jet players that made it. I have been a fan my whole life and am glad to see they recognized them finally. I also hope the Jets lay their hearts on the field the next two games and give the hell I know they can raise. This has been a good season. I have enjoyed it and I hope when this is all said and down Favre you come back for one more year. Jets give them hell on Sunday"
ed duignam Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:28pm ET"is it me or does eric always dance around the pass rush question?....if your dropping 8 back to coverage, you shouldnt be ranked 31st in pass yards allowed....PERIOD!.....Pick Your Personality Eric!.....Who are we on Offense and Who are we on Defense?....Identity Crisis Defined On The JETS....oh and how does Chad lose to Brett for the Pro Bowl??? Just a few nuggets guys!"
john fedeyko Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:35pm ET"i'm just happy that we got 7 players on the probowl roster it just shows that those big offseason moves that we made to get to this point and also three players from our offseason pickups made the probowl alan faneca brett favre and kris jenkins making the pro bowl as jets shows that we the fans show our respect and proud to have them on our team"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:39pm ET"i guess it depends on what the coach is trying to accomplish WITH PRACTICES....BUT THIS BEING THE CRUCIAL PART OF THE SEASON AND BEING THAT THE PLAYOFFS BEGIN IN JANUARY ,I WOULD TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PRACTICES OUTSIDE IN THE WINTRY ELEMENTS...WERE GOING TO WIN THESE LAST 2 GAMES AND THE DIVISION..GO JETS."
Jake Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:47pm ET" Hey Randy Why Did Mangini not give out players of the week today? Also what kind of Injury Did Ropati Have? "
Randy Lange Said:
"Jake, I was wondering the same thing about the player of the week awards. I suspect we'll hear about them Thursday. Coach Mangini did not say what Ropati Pitoitua's injury is."
rafael Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 5:14pm ET"I just think the jets should be 11& 3 what happened?"
Blinka Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 5:20pm ET"I agree, Mangini can spin it any way he can. The bottom line is that there is no consistant presure on th QB. Everyone knows it. On 3rd & long Pace and Thomas should not be in coverage. This kills me."
BobbyD Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 5:29pm ET"Clowney has to find a starter spot. He is the Michael Irvin of this team!!!!!"
Drew Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 6:16pm ET"I know the coach has his reasons but the 3 man rush gives the QB and WR's way too much time to make a play. I have seen QB's have 7+ seconds when we rush 3. I thought it actually worked against Losman. He threw into coverage all day which results in the Revis pick and the potential game sealer but Harris dropped it. We cant continue to rush 3 against good/great QBs. It just kills us."
Drew Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 6:21pm ET"Also suprised Mangini stayed inside again. He had a weak practice schedule on these guys after the 49ers loss which resulted in the worst tackling games I have ever seen against the Bills. He better not be getting soft on me. Considering the Bronco loss in bad weather and this last lackluster showing the more they practice and hit outside the better. Get these boys outside coach!!!! "
Tanner Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 7:11pm ET"Wish they would nationally televize the jets-seattle game since its a playoff game. Plus theyll calling for snow id love to see favre in the snow throwing snowball!!!!"
matt Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 7:31pm ET"i dont see how we can manage to hand the UNDEFEATED TITANS their first loss then lose to the broncos,49ERS?!!?!?!?,and beat the bills by a miracle.what happened to the sack machine,big play making,3-and-out defense we saw before?i think we will go 10-6 because we always go 10-6, 4-12,10-6,4-12.i dont want to see a 4-12 jets next year so break the pattern jets!lets give favre what he came back 4!"
fljetfan Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 7:51pm ET"Thanks Brett, if you decide this is it, thanks for actually considering and then coming to the NYJ. What ever you decide to do, (and I hope you stay) you have made me the most proud and hopeful as a Jet fan than I've ever been. A good 30 yrs. Win, lose, or draw i'll always be thankful for the 08 season that I got to turn my TV on and watch you, Brett Farve, hall of fame QB in the green and white. "
Ira Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 8:04pm ET"Drew, I didn't agree about Eric taking the players inside. But in his defense sometimes you just have to do different things. The players are all beat up and playing hurt by this time of the year. Why beat them up more. They will be fine in the snow. Its crunch time and the players know it. That should be could enough. Let the coaches come up with a great aggessive gameplan. GO JETS!!!!"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 8:21pm ET"Cont .& he will prove how bad he is by seasons end... I have said all that's right & wrong with team all season I don't sugar coat & say it like it is like it or not . Not blowing my horn but been right most of the way on all my points ..& yes I hope I'm wrong but I don't thing he can win out or beat the fish sorry & probably lose to the Seattle.. Knowing you it will be cause holgrem is leaving "
JETFOREAL Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 8:24pm ET"sounds like Eric is a card player likes to gamble plays the percentages, wow keep that for Friday night with the boys ,cigars and percentages at the table lose a couple bucks no big deal!! but the dealers changed and so has the stakes lets go Eric step it up and think outside the percentage box and attack the QB every down 4qtrs playoffs at you fingertips lets play no some NO HOLD EM. lets go win"
ktkjets31 Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 8:49pm ET"hey schotty how many pro-bowlers do you need to make the playoffs. here's another one fer ya, how do you have 3 quarterback's (we'll say pennington, clemmens, and favre), and not utilize ANY of them to the best of their abilities. let's say brett's arm isn't what it once was-imho-he's still being underutilized, bigggg time! we have the team, it's our time.we know this man."
35 year fan Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 9:38pm ET"Too worried about what they're doin' against the blitz. We have got to dictate the attack on defense. All sorts of different looks.Bring 4, 5 , 6 whatever it takes! We've got to get threw to the QB. Even if it takes everyone, on one play. A message must be sent that we're bringin' it. If we're not willing to take some risks ,what are we?? I'll tell you what .One and done. Lets do this!!"
jet jeff Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 11:02pm ET"randy ,is wallace starting for seattle or hasselback???? "
Randy Lange Said:
"jet jeff, Mike Holmgren indicated Wednesday on his conference call with Jets reporters that Seneca Wallace will start vs. the Jets, with Charlie Frye backing Wallace up and Matt Hasselbeck as the third QB."
Tom Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 3:25am ET"We must get to the opposing quarterbacks. Sitting back does not work and we will not go deep if we make the play-offs with this tactic. And yes, Clowney AND Stuckey must get starting time. BUT most important of all...we need to give the ball to Leon Washington most of the time on running plays, NOT Thomas."
Bryan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 4:10am ET"It's obvious the three man rush isn't working anymore. It might have worked earlier in the season but now teams expect it. If you don't believe me look at how long opposing teams are running routes. I saw Isaac Bruce cross the entire field twice against us. Give any quarterback to much time and they will kill us. Stop making back up q.b.'s look like superstars!!!!!! Blitz more with more people!!!!"
Ira Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 7:10am ET"Sad that the Jets/Titans first HC passed away yesterday. Sammy Baugh was 94 and was a great QB like most fans would know. But after reading his story i never knew he has the record still from 1940 for punting. A 51.4 yd avg. His career mark was 45.1 yds is still the 2nd best of all time.And that was with a football that wasrounder and probably like a rock."
akbar hubbard Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:12am ET"I just wanted to tell all my fellow jets fan keep hope alive but that is true how can we lose against 49ers its almost sikening but we need to get these 2 weeks done. dolphins going down scared about the sehaws lets go jets!!!!!!!"
uncle joe Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:36am ET"Farve comes back to win games,Chad can never win a game when he has to throw.Stop saying we would of won more games with Chad.Miami wins on Defense and gadgit plays.I love people starting to say Farve is feeling old,that will only make him play harder.I always said I don't mind his INTs.I'd rather see him throw it up for our WRs to make a play than Chads 3 yard pass on 3rd and 5 or useless draws."
uncle joe Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:45am ET"And personally I think that INT he threw was underthrown because he was getting hit or didn't have room to step into it.There was a DE right in his face.But he won't say that to the media to make his line look bad or make an excuse.Our WRs have to know the ball is gonna be thrown regardless and that they are making Millions to fight for it,go up and catch it,or knock it down."
uncle joe Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:50am ET"Coles looked disgusting at the end of the 49ers game when the DB intercepted the pass at the end of the game.And he got flagged.If you're gonna get flagged,you better make sure the other team still doesn't INT.especially to end the game.Coles only blames losses on himself when it's not his fault but he'll never admit to screwing up!And Cotchery can't get open if my father was covering him!"
Ira Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 9:42am ET"uncle joe, Just for the record Chad has better #'s for passes thrown over 20 yds than Favre does this year."
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 10:11am ET" HOLDING PRACTICES OUTSIDE IN THE ELEMENTS ,WILL NOT ONLY BE BENEFICIAL BY GETTING PLAYERS SOMEWHAT MORE ACCLIMATED TO THE COLD ECT. BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO PLAY INDOOR GAMES THE'LL BE THAT MUCH MORE HAPPIER TO HAVE A BREAK FROM SAID ELEMENTS.THATS 1 EDGE AN OPPONENT MIGHT NOT HAVE."
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 10:21am ET"yeah i am one of those that beats on chad for his arm but favre has done the same thing with the 5-10 yarders but we have seen chad let that ball loose at times for 30-40 and he looks sweet doing it, as favre to me seems to strain the throws as of late my q is was #4 hired to sell psl chad knew the offense knew the playbook,we went through a 5wk learn curve like chad but he delivered fast for fins"
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 10:26am ET"and i would rather see the 3-5 yard passes for gains and 1st downs opposed to to risky throws into to tight coverage for turnovers that's just me chad is a good manager favre is a great Qb i just dont think it was worth letting chad go for1 season and maybe getting the playoff shot again thats just me "
uncle joe Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 10:46am ET"Yeh but Ira,you know Chad like I know Chad,how many times with us when he had to pass & everyone new it he would throw that outpass & get pick off.Who would you rather have with the game on the line down 7?Farve or noodle arm?I'd take Farve even if he was 49 years old.Hate to badmouth my old man but,I'd rather have my Father in there at 67 years old.We all went threw it with Chad! DECLINED: NAMECALLING (NOODLE ARM)"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 11:28am ET"Fans... Mangini is waiting for a warm weather game to practice outside in the snow & cold"
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:26pm ET"Ira & Jetforeal, 1st game both of Favres TD'S a 60 yard bomb to Cotchery & a scramble play on 4th down that he hit Stuckey on both of those plays Chad could not make & we lose that game without Brett 2nd vs Cards 6 TD passes we lose that game with Chad 3rd Pats game on the road in OT Favre drives us down the field throwing rockets to Keller with Chad we lose that game 4th Titans the TD Favre had "
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:31pm ET"to Coles Chad could never make that throw & I doubt we beat them with Chad. Also Chad did NOT have the same learning curve as Favre Chad had the Miami O cordinator he the past all he needed was a refresher Favre had to start from scrath BIG DIFFERENCE Chad landed in Miami the perfect place for him he has not had to deal with the elements put Chad on the Jets they are 7 & 7 AT BEST IF Miami makes "
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:33pm ET"makes the playoffs with Chad they are 1 and done with Favre if the Jets make the playoffs they have a shot PLEASE WITH THE CHAD GARBAGE "
jet jeff Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 12:41pm ET"randy ,I saw the numbers on sacks with the amount of rushers, I would like to see the amount of yards given up on amount of rushers and first downs and points "
bob jets fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 1:10pm ET"I have said it before and I will say it again. Mangini must go and Woody Johnson must hire Bill Cowher to restore the Jets credibility. Otherwise nothing will change and the Jets will never ever see the Super Bowl."
Anonymous Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 1:17pm ET"spicer, i see youre still up to your chad hating ways. its obvious chad either stiffed you on an autograph or cost you money on a bet. why cant you let up on the man? give him some credit? and you say you know football? what a joke."
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 2:02pm ET"Tom Spicer... being a favre fan ,i agree with your posts ,and many of your non favre posts in the past. cant comment on chad for the only time i saw much of his play was the 1st game this season[he did ok] miami has yet to defeat a good team , all this chad talk will disappear in a few weeks.you have a good strategic mind.go jets"
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 2:31pm ET"come down from your kool aid high spicer .its obvious you are one of the in denial guys that's OK bottom line here is chad is playing better football then favre period and i will get slapped for saying this but Brett got to the pro bowl due to the popularity contest not by his 17 picks so you enjoy him for the next 2 weeks. because most likey he is done, and then we go thru the QB drama again"
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 3:53pm ET"Anonymous, say what your name is & tell me what I said that was wrong "
Drew Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 3:57pm ET"Our run game would not have been as good if Chad was here. The Dolphins needed that gimmick Wildcat offesne to be able to run the ball (which defenses have stopped of late) Favre opened up the run game for the OL and TJ/Leon. Favre played a handful of good and bad games plus a magical win against the Pats. Chads played well but enough already. Let Chad prove it in December at the Meadowlands"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 3:59pm ET"for all you chad fans....heck jump ship go be a fish fan . the instant favre became a jet ,after how gb treated him i switched to jets. go b fish fans .at least with brett the jets have a chance of winning a playoff game. that aint gonna happen with this years miami team . go on, u luv chad so much ,stick with your convictions and ur field general. b a fish.or face reality and the present."
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 4:00pm ET"Jetforeal, you are a new poster & that is great we welcome all new guys but you dont know me cause if you did you would know that I rip Sutton every week on this board so I am not a kool aid guy as a matter of fact guys have told me I am to negative"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 4:13pm ET"having followed my field general [favre] to ny. i always root for gb to lose. and i go to nfl. com amd just marvel at greenbays crappy record yada. to go from 13-3 to 5-9 serves em right.had chad fans tuned in to jets theyd say 4-12 to 9-5 wow something happened . likewise fish terrible record to 9-5 was it all the qbs ..no. but live in the present chad fans and choose ,jets or fish."
Hogan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:17pm ET"Also about 1 year of Favre for Chad. How long you think Chad is going to play at the level he is. 1, 2 years more tops. Getting rid of Chad was the BEST part of the deal. Now they will be forced to resolve QB spot after FAVRE."
ed duignam Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:36pm ET"Reality check for the "Favre" Koolaid Drinkers (full disclosure: i was glad to see chad go) .....Truth is Chad has 6 INT, Brett has 17.....Chad Has 200 more passing yards (with scrub receivers i might add) and Chad has a 10 point lead in QB Rating with a rating of 95.1!.....Truth is, Favre is a bust! If we lose this week we are right back where we were in August!"
dcpackerfan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 5:58pm ET"As a Favre fan for 16 years, I so wish you all could have seen him play in his prime. It was so exciting. He was great last year too, but it is clear that learning an entirely new system has taken its total. I feel bad when I hear the posts about Chad or if it was a mistake to trade for Favre. For me, it was a gift to see him play another season. He has brought incredible attention to the Jets"
JETFOREAL Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 7:07pm ET"Spicer your fine with me i agree with a lot of your posts, not all ,but most I did not want to offend you. just throwing out an opinion that's all I do, throw out an opinionlike em or not so for all who read these posts don't mind them they are harmless cracks at the weeks performance of our New York jets good or bad"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:30pm ET"td passes brett 21 chad 14... completion pct brett 67.6 chad 66.3 .....Thomas Jones..1,222 yds. Ronnie Brown 827 yds...hmm what about those comparisions eddy boy. jets 27.5 pts a game miami 20.2 .an xtra td a game ..brett 7 more tds than chad...brett in miami fish r 11n3"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:40pm ET" ed duignam ..Greg Camarillo is not a scrub reciever...and i also bet that miami has a speedster starting and wide reciever that can get open deep,though i dont follow miami ,correct me if they just have avg speed like our main wr ,cept for clowney who everyone wants to see more of."
ed duignam Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 8:58pm ET"OH!....I almost forgot.....Chad has 200 more passing yards while attempting to pass 39 times less than Brett Favre!....if that doesnt tell you something then you just dont get it people!....(39 passing attempts represents nearly a game and a half of passing on avg in the NFL!) Thanks Brett, but if you dont bring home the bacon its curtains my man! MUST MAKE PLAYOFFS OR ELSE!"
ed duignam Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 9:14pm ET"And lastly before i go to bed......How many times have you heard "why dont they open it up for Farve?".......well he has had all the opportunities under Shotty, so you cant blame him for Bretts ailments!....You might wanna look at the "O" line though....Mr. Favre rarely looks comfortable back there and though he stays on his feet....i can' remember the last time he stood up in the pocket!"
fljetfan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 9:21pm ET"hey ED, im one of the farve koolaiders. let me tell you something. how can anyone who roots for the jets bash farve? come at me with your stats when the season is over. I want to hear from you at seasons end. the fact of the matter is he could have 101 picks, were 9-5 control our own destiny and whether you admit it or not the most clutch QB in the division. we are goin to the playoffs CHADS not"
fljetfan Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 9:29pm ET"farve is a bust? i cant believe i just read that. CLASSIC...... jets are winning the division and i guarentee farve will make a ton of plays to get it done. you heard it here!"
CFU Said:
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 9:55pm ET"Your to negative Spicer! LOL Just kidding man. I agree Sutton must go and possibly schotty. Heck maybe they should take Mangini too. I'm sick of him chewing gum with a frown on his face when the team is doing bad. Stop frowning Mangini and say something chewing gum will not change the situtation. You have to verbally say something Mangini. I just hope and pray to the football gods we make the PO's"
Rick Roucoulet Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 7:56am ET"Is it me or does anyone see what Favre is doing? already making excuses for the seasons end: "I dont think I have the arm strength anymore or I'm beat up". I never heard this man make excuses & give up like he has the last few weeks - COME ON BRETT, REACH DEEP DOWN FOR US FANS & YOURSELF & GO OUT WITH A BANG.... Dont just give up like u did when u GAVE Strahan his record sack. Yeah! I seen it."
MikeMc Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 11:38am ET"Uncle Joe, Coles is a divider a crybaby, I can't wait until he is somewhere else. Rick Rouc. don't read into to much of what Favre says, I think this is his brutally honest phase of his life.Deep down he is a competitor, & a great team mate and I'm sure there is no quit in him. Now does he have the tools to still be great ? I don't know, I really hope so.Spicer you do hate the Chad man, why?"
MikeMc Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 11:49am ET"I absolutely loved Chad, next to Boomer he was my favorite Jet Qb, born in '66 Joe willie was with the Rams by the time I was a fan. O'brien had talent but was shell shocked,Todd too many let downs,ask Serby,the rest,pls.Chad was the hardest working, toughest & smartest Qb I've seen.He had his limitations so I understand the move but how anyone can hate this classy guy who gave 110% is beyond me."
ed duignam Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 1:10pm ET"JAK!....nice try my friend, but even JP LOSMAN completes 60% of his passes...Off hand i cant think of any QB starter that doesnt!...Oh, and when quoting Ronny Browns stats you forgot about the 575 yards that Ricky Williams has rushed for this year!....Please bring precise and pertinent information to you post Jak!....FLJETFAN....agreed....end of the season is key as i said earlier in this column."
ed duignam Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 1:21pm ET"MikeMc...My apologies, I was one of the many bashing Chad (mindless), I now know more about him in his absence then i ever knew about him as a JET. I bleed GREEN, sometimes that gets in way of reasoning! I guess it is the combination of the Mets and Jets breaking down on me late in the season...I still carry the scars of the DENVER/JET CHAMPIONSHIP game in 99......WALTON, COSLET, KOTITE...etc etc!"
Ray Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 1:54pm ET"ed duignam, I'll drink "Favre kool aid" any day before I start downing that fish oil you seem to enjoy. Compare all the stats you want. If Chad were here we wouldn't even be sniffing playoffs. He's done his usual nice job with the dink and dunk. We don't beat Tenn., NE, or Ariz. with Chad. Favre's a bust, that's a good one. If that "bust" can get us 2 more wins we're in the playoffs."
MikeMc Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 2:50pm ET"ed duignam, you are forgiven my son. Say 3 J-E-T-S, jets, jets ,jets & sin no more."
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 3:16pm ET" ed yes but bretts comp pct . is higher than chads..and u were the 1 who rolled out stats .stating that i forgot Ricky Williams 575 yards , then you forgot Leon Washington 374 yrds. do the math .also is wasnt a try . bretts offense is over 7 pnts more effective than chads. also as far as pertinence goes..you are dwelling on a qb thats been gone 4 a year.this is now .support the current jets."
OriginalJetFan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 3:29pm ET"are you guys really comparing Chads performance with a 1-15 team with very few changes to Favres with 4-12 Jets who added 6 free agents who now start and have multiple pro bowls? Who knows what would have happened with CP the best Play-Action QB at the helm."
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 3:30pm ET"randy not a question, please dont reply as im batting 1000. with my questions to you. statement ..randy sometimes you must feel like a babysitter or a ref.....sorry.......well ed i apologize ..im going to try 2 not argue with anyone anymore ..i will support people like t spicer ect..when people post all over them ..for making legitiment posts though..this jet house is divided enough ...go jets."
MikeMc Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 4:26pm ET"Jak 20 week fan. I read your posts and I find your directives to Jet/Chad fans to go root for the fish disturbing, being a Benedict Arnold (to GB fans)yourself. Its OK to be combative & banter but please don't try to understand the "long suffering Jet fan" Nietzche & Freud couldn't do that. The Jet house is like an Irish house , we'll beat each other up daily, but unite vs an outsider. 20wks eh?"
ed duignam Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 4:56pm ET"Jak...pls...you are starting to sound like the "YES MAN".....Thomas Jones and Leon Washington account 19 touchdowns on the ground thus inflating the Jets offensive prowess!....I am a "LIFER" with the Jets and a 10 year DIRECTV subscriber to watch Gang Green!....But i refuse to turn a blind eye to the facts. If you are going by numbers not mystique, Chad should have been in Hawaii before Brett! "
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 5:53pm ET"mike mc understand this gb was 13-3 .favre wanted to return.mike mc carthy n ted t ect had been telling him he should retire as they had their own agenda. when something works u dont fix it. ,and if a brett who had a probowl sn ,wants to return they shoulda let him .having been a 16 yr gb fan ,i couldnt get on board with that. so i wouldnt tolerate such idiocy.and i was always more of pt 1"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:00pm ET"pt 2 more of a favre fan than gb. ed you rolled out the numbers ,but as it stands chad is having a better year than favre ...due to bretts glaring ints. how many times was 4 hit as he threw those ints,or ball deflected? heres the big 1 he gets those ints usually when offense flounders and its 3rd and long .he should throw those away for his qb rating . if he doesnt throw that pass before the "
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:06pm ET"pt3 pass before the half in miami [td pass that people said was lucky and was]and throws it away for his qb rating then jets would be 8-6 now.ive seen at least 6 ints hes thrown trying to get jets outta 3rd longs when jets were behind."
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:14pm ET"mike mc .feel free to have your posse jump on this outsider any time you like..im from the ghetto and i dont feel your thoughts can hurt me here in peoria and i wont add you to the people i look over my shoulder for.i designate my name that way as deference to you long timers .i coulda lied . and i know a lifetime of real suffering ...not wether my team does well."
ed duignam Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:51pm ET"Jak...its time to end this conversation....i think you mean well...but your grammar and punctuation is beyond my comprehension, just know this...I WANT FAVRE TO SUCCEED!......I WANT RESULTS AND I WANT RESULTS NOW!....I WANT 150 MILLION DOLLARS OF RESULTS RIGHT NOW!"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 7:52pm ET"ok ed. i hope we get the results...but this is the n.f.l.. there can only be 1 champion. sorry about my punctuation .but having to fire off 3 or so responses in a row ,i tend not to proof read. also my comments werent that unintelligable[9 outta 10 editors agree].i was precise in my stats. the word you should of used was thorough...also i dont use spellcheck."
MikeMc Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 7:59pm ET"Jak I respect your honesty. Welcome to the Jets family , now are you going to leave as soon as Favre retires again? Peoria ? isn't that Illinois? Wasn't Richard Pryor from Peoria?Shouldn't you be a Bears fan?or were you ?"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 9:38pm ET"mc mike...yes illinois.. thank you for the welcome. my teams were ,colts for unitas in 60s[jets got them] vikings for tarkenton in 70's. 4 time superbowl losers,thats heartache. bears when fran t. retired. for walter payton..they traded wilbur.m after superbowl win and i was done.montannas 49ers,then chiefs in 95.joe m retired. woulda remained a gb fan if they would'nt of treated 4 that way."
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 9:46pm ET"mc mike pt 2 i guess its the player i gravitate to. i liked the sak exchange in the 80s ,wished we had that on bears ..and then it happened. liked r.todds jets in late 70s,but was still fran t. w.payton fan.even thought chad was good in i think 04,tuned in to watch chrebet..he was amazing...another 3 pt post"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:02pm ET"pt 3 ..mc mike sometimes i get overbearing ,im gonna try to refrain from that. ill be a jet fan if favre retires in n.y...but if they trade l .washington while hes still in his prime..i may jump ship. its tough to see favre age. im sure he can still throw 70yds but not while hes being hit .and he may blow the playoffs..i admire your defense on coach m. i want the blitz,but im not privy to all the"
jak, 20 wk jet fan Said:
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:19pm ET"pt4 im not privy to all the varibles that mangini has to calculate in his head.[injurys,tendencies,grass, artificial turf,ect.]we dont know what mangini knows.you do a good job of defending him and this is yours and longtime jets fans web site.thank you .n randy ,n.y.jets ,4 allowing my posts."
Ohiojetsfan1 Said:
Sat, December 20, 2008 - 7:04am ET"If we score our average on offense, but our d gives up 35 what's the problem here? Pass rush? I want a win just as bad as everyone here does. We should not be in this position right now. Should be 11-3 and have a lock. Our D better step it up or we lose period. Pro bowls mean nothing if we can't win our division. Remember the raider and 49er egg laying our d had. Our D still looks confused."
pablos chang o'leary Said:
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 11:35am ET"I don't think anyone should defend mangini and his three man rush prevent from winning defense and watch us get rid of clowney and him turn into the next santana moss."
bill Said:
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:09pm ET"Fire Mangini now, retire Brett now, and forfiet next wek not to be embarrased by Chad Pennington!"
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Howard Said:
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 4:11pm ET"i'm all for blitzing the qb but in this game with s wallaces running ability i think a 4 man rush most of the time is best,and with a weakened seahawk line it might work,plus i dont believe thier wr are all that good even with d branch"
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