Brett States His Expectations and They're High
Published: Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:04pm ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Leon Washington, Ty Law, Brett Favre, Alan Faneca, Tony Richardson
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12/10 — The Wednesday Mangini-Favre News Hour (Minus 15 Minutes)" that wrapped up just after 11 a.m. today had quite a few nuggets for Jets fans to sink their teeth into. Perhaps the biggest was Brett Favre's simple declaration at the top of his weekly meeting with reporters:
"I expect us to make the playoffs," Favre stated.
Of course, that's easy to say four days before playing the Buffalo Bills at home on Sunday, but the quarterback's track record would suggest there's more to such an optimistic statement than empty talk.
"I didn't expect us to lose the last two games, but I don't know too many people who expected us to win five straight, except maybe on our team," Favre said. "If we were able to win five straight and accept that, we have to be able to deal with the two games we lost and figure out a way to turn it around.
"We're 8-5 and tied for the division lead," he continued. "There's three games left. We can't worry about the remaining two. We have to worry about this one. It'll be tough, obviously. But I expect us to make the playoffs, and I would hope every guy in the locker room feels the same way. Why think any different?"
I'll have more on Favre's meaty comments with reporters this afternoon.
Head coach Eric Mangini, who will not utter the P-word before it's time, didn't talk about such expectations, but he values the contributions that Favre and the other Jets vets can bring to the table for the youthful contributors on the squad.
"I'm sure Brett's been through every possible media situation there is. I think he provides good insight," Mangini said. "But there's a lot of guys who've been through quite a few seasons. Tony Richardson's an excellent sounding board. Alan [Faneca]'s played a lot of years, Ty Law's played a lot of years.
"You really want to lean on those guys, especially late in the season, especially with the young guys," Mangini said. "Right now they'd be preparing for a bowl game or preparing for exams. Their season is basically over in college football, where you've got a sizable break before you play your last game.
Mangini was asked about the possibility that the young and the old players came together for a players-only meeting in the coming weeks. He said there hasn't been any yet "but I don't discourage anything like that."
And although he's not going to utter any P-word before it's time, he feels his team has not lost confidence from its recent run of success that really got rolling back at Buffalo on Nov. 2.
"All these games have been important, and I've stressed that," he said. "The last time we went into Buffalo, we talked about that as a must-win game. That was seven weeks ago and here we are again.
"Really, there's a way to approach each game, regardless of the significance or the timeframe or any of that stuff. If we do the little things well, focus on our technique and all the things we've done to put ourselves in position to win a game, we'll do that again."
Other Coaching Points
Many fans continue to ask about when we'll see WR David Clowney on the field. Mangini promised nothing today but said he remains happy with Clowney's effort.
"David's been great," the coach said. "He's really been a great story, too. He came in last year and was lost somewhat. He always went fast but it wasn't always going fast in the direction we wanted.
"I think he's done a good job learning the offense. He's very consistent with the show-team things we want him to do. He's always pressuring the defense with the way he practices. We've been looking for a way to get him up for a long time now but it just hasn't worked out because of special teams. But I have no problem with David being on the 45."
Mangini was asked about the condition of Brad Smith after he absorbed a helmet-to-helmet shot from 49ers LB Patrick Willis late in Sunday's game. "We'll monitor him throughout the week and see where he is at the end of the week," Mangini said. Asked if Smith will practice, he said: "It'll be just some light things today, not the full practice."
And on the prospect of going outside today (and even Thursday) with steady rain in the area, the coach said: "I've been torn on that one today. I love going outside because I believe it's hard to simulate lousy, rainy, cold situations. I like going inside because it's warmer and you can do some things in that area that are a little bit crisper."
As I look past the rain-streaked windows to the practice fields beyond, the call for today's practice is outdoors.
Newest Jet: J.R. Reed
Mangini's housekeeping included the announcement of the singing of safety J.R. Reed to the Jets' active roster, replacing RB Marcus Mason, who it was announced Tuesday evening had been waived.
Why Reed, a 5'11, 202-pounder fifth-year man released by the Eagles in October?
"We play them every year in the preseason so we've looked at him," Mangini said. "[Assistant GM] Scott Cohen is here and he knows him from Philly. I've always liked him as a player. He's a very solid contributor on special teams, he's played in multiple games and done a good job in different roles. ... I thought it was a good decision."
Reed is an impressive NFL renaissance man. We'll talk with him later this week.
Leon: "It was a holding"
At Monday night's airing of "Inside the Jets," Leon Washington seemed unsure about the holding call against James Ihedigbo that cost him his second kickoff-return touchdown vs. the 49ers. But during today's locker room media availability, Washington gave a more definitive opinion based on further view.
"To tell you the truth, it was a holding,” Washington said. “Do I wish it would have been called? No, I don’t wish it would have been called. It was a big play for us in the game, but the rules are the rules. The referees are taught if a player wants to dance with a player, then he wants to dance with him. But if he tries to fight free, you have to let him go. It was a holding.”
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (48)uncle joe's WHY COME Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:44pm ET"And Why Come the Flight Crew wears these puffy jumper,jogging suit things?What do other cold weather teams' girls wear?I've never seen jogging outfits on cheerleaders before Randy.Why Come Randy,WHY COME?"
scjoe Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:59pm ET"I, for one, was very happy to hear about Clowney's progress. I really hope he will be activated and used from here on out. Now lets find a way to get Caulcrick up, maybe he can be our Brandon Jacobs. You here a lot of talk about "must win games" now we have three in a row, so I hope Brett knows something we don't."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:59pm ET"Even with all of the off season moves (trades & free agents) I said the Jets would be 8 & 8. Than we get Favre & I said this team will be at least 10 & 6 with Brett the problem is we could be 10 & 6 & still not make the playoffs."
Dan Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:59pm ET"In regards to Mangini's comments about Clowney, what is he talking about? Mangini says Clowney is not going fast in the direction he wants. We just need Clowney to go vertical! How hard is that? The Jets already have enough route runners. The excuse about Clowney and Special teams is lame. Does Coles or Cotchery play Special Teams? No. Have somebody else play Special Teams so Clowney can play!"
Randy Lange Said:
"Dan, Coach Mangini said last year Clowney was going fast but not in the direction the Jets wanted."
Russell Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 1:03pm ET"Why are fans worrying about the playoffs? First things first, beat the Buffalo Bills. I hope the Jets get their running game moving along which will open up the passing game. Defensively, they need to pressure the quarterback, create turnovers and improve their pass defense. I would like to see Pace and B.Thomas blitzing the QB this week and let Harris and Bowens cover the TE or short zone."
Bob long time jets fan Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 1:23pm ET"Get ready Jets fans another choke in December. The only solution: hire Bill Cowher after the season. At least he`ll show some fire unlike Mangini."
jak, 19 wk jet fan Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 1:26pm ET"NY JETS CAN WIN ALL 3 OF THE REMAINING GAMES.we're in first ,and i think we'll stay there. im looking forward to these 3 games and hope they air at least 2 of them in midwest. the play by play on nfl.com is somewhat vague. GO JETS LETS FINISH STRONG."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 3:06pm ET"It looks like Trent Edwards is not going to play this week we have the Bills at home who are reeling & there starting QB is out we have our destiny in our hands if we do not win this game we do not deserve to go to the playoffs"
Drew Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 3:08pm ET"I have shaken off the blues (thanks to my boys Ira and MikeMc) I 'm still concerned but I have to believe Mangini and the team understand where they have put themselves. I liked that Mangini mentioned the last Buffalo game. He knows people thought we would lose that game. It was a big win and we went there and took care of business. Thats the game that started the 5 game win streak. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 3:19pm ET"Question for all of the Jet fans if we win 2 out of the final 3 games & finish 10 & 6 & we dont make the playoffs do you think Magini needs to go after going 10 & 6 2 out of his 3 years. IMO Sutton needs to go mabye Mangini as well depending on how this year ends"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 3:30pm ET"Drew, You're so right. But the KC game started the 5 game streak. But that Biils game really gave them the confidence to go on and blowout the Rams and beat the Pats and Titans on the road. Lets get it started again with the Bills this week. Same defensive gameplan as the steelers game last yeear. 7 sacks, 1 INT and 1 FR. Its time to get serious and kick some you know what. GO JETS!!!!"
ed duignam Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 3:53pm ET"Tom spicer....wrong again....its backup QB's and Coaches that eat Mangini's lunch. Now Brett trys to pull a Namath and predicts playoffs????. .. Uh Oh....hate to say it, but if Brett trys to hard, i am predicting 3 picks and a loss!...oh, i stated yesturday Mangini to Syracuse and Cowher to the JETS, well guess what NFL LIVE reported last nite??....Miss the playoffs and Cowher will be called!"
James Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:00pm ET"The Jets WR have not done anything to help Farve in the 2 games, they just run there route' and that's it. They don't believe in coming back to the ball The defensive line is so slow off the line. I don't think the players put themselves in this predicament, it's the coaches. And if the Jets don't make the playoffs, it's because of Mangini and Schottenheimer poor play calling."
Don Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:02pm ET"Tom seaver, i think that if we dont make the playoffs we must get rid of sutton and shotty, we need to blitz more and our d cordinator is in favor of the prevent to win. And we need lock up Leon washington.... he will be our starter in two to three years "
Tony The JET Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:06pm ET"Let me start with this, one of my best friends fathers just passed and he was a die hard Jet fan as well as I He took me to my first game when I was little.. He was so excited for this year and this team. He believed in the Jets I feel more then they guys do on the field. I hope we do something to change the route we are taking. Plus I;m sure he will be watching ha. J-E-T-S"
Tom Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:06pm ET"The New York Jets will make the playoff But they will have to work super hard and win the last 3 games If we do not make the Playoff then the New York Jets will need so improvement. "
supercooljetfan Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:14pm ET"no matter what happens this year sutton got to go....every year hes been dc we either one of the las ranked teams in rushing or passing d"
john Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:19pm ET"The jets will win this game for sure.They should fire the mangini and both cordnaters.The game plan from week to week is terrible,no one seems to make adjustments.What are chads numbers this year,3026yds.93.7 rtg.Farves numbers 2845yds,88.srtg.A little funny we got rid of a guy with a week arm that has more yards then our new hall of fame qb.the only common denominater would be our coaching staff."
jets5496 Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:33pm ET"We have to beat the Bills this week!Come on guys a couple of weeks ago we blew out the Titans and now we are playing like a group of kids playing back yard football.We have some great talent.Yes we still need help at certain positions,but we've shown how good we can be.Now we have to play to full potential. The D has been poor! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE D THAT WAS PRESSURING THE QB AND MAKING BIG PLAY"
JETFOREAL Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:39pm ET"didn't here that YET? but did read that the "penguin" MANGINI for you pack rats analogy has definitely rubbed off onto our jets his laid back not get emotional if we win or lose attitude may have hurt the teams emotional drive. but i personaly would love to see cowher on the gang green sideline so part of me hopes we dont make it for that reason but man it would be sweet to get in and make a run"
JETFOREAL Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:50pm ET"it's good to see that at least Brett Favre and the team can speak of the Pword you would think Eric would be partnering up with his team and getting in the media's face and put it to them.so what if they don't make it at least back your legendary star & the team heres your conviction that word conviction can go along way with these jets theres no MAN in Mangini i never liked him or his coaching!!!"
Sheldon Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 5:03pm ET"I think that I'm starting to lose a little faith in Ty Law. I dont want to, but watching him play, hes really lacking everything he used to have. His speed, his ball-hawk style. The whole secondary, though, needs to step up and make plays."
Sindrew Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 5:08pm ET"Perhaps the losses are exactly what this team needs to get to the Super Bowl. Time will tell... I do think if Brett announced his 100% intention to return to the New York Jets next year this team's fire would burn bright. Brett? Don't give me one season to proudly wear your jersey. "
scjoe Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 5:09pm ET"Answer to Tom Spicer question. No! Mangini does not need to be replaced. He is not the one out there missing tackles, missing blocks, leaving receivers wide open and getting flagged on KRs. I don't always agree with the play calling, but that lays more on the OC and DC. Lets not give Mangini to much credit for the Ws or to much blame for the Ls. Lets put some of it on the field performance."
jimbot Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 5:45pm ET"Chad v Brett is apples and oranges. Chad has the easiest schedule in football and Brett had to learn a brand new offense. Chad went back to henning in Miami so I think its hard to compare. The Jets got too full of themselves and tried to mail it in against the Broncos and they couldn't right the ship in San Fran. after getting a lot of calls against them. Have faith! "
Row Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 6:02pm ET"Good signing over a RB we just didn't need. I will say Mason turned off the lights when he was playing in preseason. I am very eager to see how we come out in the Bills game. Very excited. I expect complete dominance Jets 38 Bills 3. Trent Edwards will be taken from the game, every analyst will be saying we are Superbowl contenders again. Ready to see Clowney dress and Vernon play. Go Jets"
sal Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 7:17pm ET"With matt cassel being out indefinitly, there is no reason why this team shouldnt win the division. this take the jordon vs. knicks. era to a whole new level. they didnt have brady all year, shouldnt of even came to this. if they dont win move the franchise to another coast, put us fans out of our misery. please"
sal Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 7:29pm ET"Great job LW on the holding call, tired of hearin players cry the Refs cost us the game, followed by a fine etc. Great job Leon"
fljetfan Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 8:13pm ET"Kerryyyyy....oh Kerryyyy where art thou kerry? 1 pick all yr.? pro bowler? not even close! been on him all yr. its the same defensive schemes as last yr. i know he has an ownership or something to do with the arena league. maybe thats his problem. he not ball hawking as he has in the past. this secondary could use his help desperately. come on kerry watch ed reed tapes or something"
Ira Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 8:23pm ET"Thought and prayers to Matt Cassel and his family. Don't want to win that way. Hope he can deal with his sorrow and make it back for his game."
Jeremy Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 9:18pm ET"No matter what happens the last three games. One thing that has to happen for the JETS to be contenders in the AFC is getting rid of Sutton. The stats don't lie and every year the D is consistently ranked at the bottom in a number of catagories. This years running stats are only due to Jenkins and Pace. Sutton has to go and who better to take his spot than Cowher!!!! Woddy & Mike T get Cowher!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 9:44pm ET"ed duignam, 1st I would have to be wrong once to be wrong again I think I proved you wrong multiple times the last time I gave you the Jets blog smack down & please tell me what is wrong about me saying we should beat the Bills @ home with there back up QB ?"
MR MAGOO Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 10:34pm ET"If this team is to go anywhere,..the defense needs to take a gut check and dig in. There is no way we can go anywhere if they cant get to the quarterback. Jones is a beast runner with washington in the I formation would cripple opposing teams defense. I read every single post on every blog here,..I got to say,.NY jet fans are not very loyal. Starting to act like Packer fans"
Michael Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 11:14pm ET"All you have to do is look at the Jets running and passing yard and see why we lost the last two games. If not both you got to do at least one of those well. Free Favre and tell him it's in his hands. Tell the Defense it's okay to hit the other teams quarter back , and tell the Running backs they are called "Running" Backs for a reason. Lets Go Jets!!! Make the changes and Lets Wrap this season up"
MikeMc Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 10:20am ET"I promised not to defend any of the coaches this week but some of you have gone overboard with your lunatic assumptions of heads rolling. I don't know where NFL live is getting their info but I'm sure its not from Woody. We are still in control of our own destiny could we please wait until the end of the season before we hypothetically clean house.Lets support the team& beat Buffalo."
mike Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 10:58am ET"this year most people expected the jets to finish around 8-8. But this 5 game winning steak got into our heads. Titans had to loose sometime, Bills are not as good as people thought, beat Pats because of coin flip. Mangini 10-6 two of three seasons i am not sure we should let him go. Sutton must go. If D roster was bad then maybe,but 4 probowlers(Revis, Rhodes.Jenkins, Harris) gotta be better."
miz Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 11:44am ET"i think we'll be just fine,we have vets on this team..favre being the oldest. we lost those 2 games,but theay will put that behind theam and get down to business against the bills this sunday..lets go JETS!!!!"
Jet Fan in Saskatchewan Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 12:03pm ET"Jets won't make the playoffs this year - no fire, no desire to win. Mangini needs to go & take Kelln Clemens with him - they ran Pennington out of town & it will come back to haunt them in the final game of the regular season. Sad how all of the media types are now praising Chad & recognizing him for his skills & leadership-figures the Jets couldn't see it & cast him aside. For what? 1yr of Favre?"
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 1:41pm ET"Jet Fan in Saskatchewan, you are not a Jet fan you are a Chad fan come back hear in 3 weeks when the Phins are home for the holidays & the Jets are in the dance"
35 year fan Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 2:32pm ET"One game at a time . All we got to do is beat Buffalo . It's DOABLE . It's been done . The Jets match up well against them. FOR GOD SAKES MANGINI BRING A PASS RUSH !! And if we can't defend a screen pass we might as well go back to pee wee football ! I would not underestimate Bill Parcels when he brings the dolphins. TREAT THAT SHOWDOWN WITH THE GREATEST OF RESPECT . That is not the same team"
35 year fan Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 3:01pm ET"At the beginning of this season I didn't think the Jets would make it to the playoffs . Now they are only a game or two away . Mangini has got to bring some emotion to it now , or he might lose everything . I suggest he smash his clipboard on the sideline next time someone gets a stupid penalty . Parcells used to walk down the entire sideline to holler curses at linemen trying to sneak off after "
Rich Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 3:37pm ET"I wish the Jets best of luck the Sunday, I was Jets fan during the Joe years and when Brett made his move, I went with him. They have been more than fun to watch. I have enjoyed this season and wish to thank all the Jets!!!! Keep on keeping on and keep your eye on the ball. Thanks Rich"
LS Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 5:00pm ET"And there you have it...THE LEADER..Brett Favre! "
mike Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 8:31pm ET"doesn't mangini watch the previous game tapes and wonder why the apposing team QB has all day to throw the ball. NO PASS RUSH. I love Pennington but I hated how boring his passgame was. But its more exciting than a sutton defensive sceme. NO MORE BACK UP QB THROWING FOR 300 YARDS PLEASE. IF LOSMAN HAS A GOOD DAY GOODBYE SUTTON AND MANGINI."
m3t4L m1k3 Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 11:36pm ET"I agree with the 35 year fan. I don't even think Mangini knows how important his role is on this team. I can't stand how he shows absolutely no emotion, no personality, no character. He just chews his gum with his arms crossed. He never pumps his players up, never walks up and down the sidelines, never reacts to plays. It's pathetic. If the Jet's choke, I say find a new head coach."
Damein Said:
Fri, December 12, 2008 - 1:43pm ET"I don't understand why Sutton hasn't adjusted to the throwing game of the opposing team. I mean Last week with the 49ers with some QB named Hill ate us up in the secondary. If we allow JP Losman to perform that same way or even better than goodbye Playoff Hopes! We need to adjust are D and play a little more agressively towards the Quarterback!"
Anonymous Said:
Sat, December 13, 2008 - 3:57pm ET"Mangini doesn't have a clue.I agree with the guy who said he's emotionless. Has anyone seen Tony Sporano. This guy is pumping his fist & slapping guys on the back & yelling & is involved.Stop chomping your gum Mangini & motivate your players AND COACHES. At 8-3 we were a lock & now its not looking so good.If we can't get a pass rush & secondary can't defend, the seasons over & big disappointment!"
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Ira Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:28pm ET"Randy, Good to hear Favre say he expects to make the playoffs. Enough already about not mentioning the P word. At 8-3 with 5 games left it would be a major setback if they don't. And to tell you the truth with all the upgrades in the offseason and then the addition of Favre anything less then atleast 1 playoff win would be a big disapointment. There is enough talent on this team to win!!!"
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