Coach Stresses Collective Effort to Improve
Published: Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:41pm ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Brad Smith, Leon Washington, Brett Ratliff, San Francisco 49ers
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12/08 — To be sure, there were enough mistakes to go around in Sunday's tough-to-take 24-14 loss to the San Francisco 49ers.
Head coach Eric Mangini was asked today at his day-after news conference if he was unhappy with the attitude and effort of his team. He didn't buy the premise of the question and instead replied that all the people in football ops need to check the mirror every day for the rest of the season as long as it lasts, including him and his coaching staff.
"I'm not by any stretch of the imagination not taking accountability for where we are," Mangini said. "We need to do a better job as a coaching staff. Obviously, we need to improve the things we're doing in terms of how we're attacking, how we're defending, how we convey that information. It's a collective effort. When we win, it's a collective effort, when we lose, it's a collective effort. Everybody needs to improve."
How that will shake out this week will have to be observed in Sunday's Fan Appreciation Day home game against Buffalo. But this is not a magic bullet week. Mangini, his coaches and players know what they have to do to lift the "funk," in Thomas Jones' word, from this stretch run and that's to win one game at a time, meaning the Bills.
Funny how perceptions change. Newsday's Bob Glauber asked Mangini the proverbial "If you were told in September that after Week 14 you'd be 8-5 and tied for the top in the division, that wouldn't be such a bad deal."
But Mangini wasn't sugarcoating the Green & White position, so typical for many NFL teams this time of year — you're "in control of your destiny" by winning out, but one loss could mean you're in control only of, as Floridian David Bowens put it, setting up your barbecue back home in January because you're not in the playoffs.
"It goes in waves throughout the season," Mangini said. " 'This is a must-win,' 'you're heading to the Super Bowl,' 'you can't win a game.' It's all over the place — and it's always going to be like that, year in and year out. You can't let that come into your consciousness, because when you do, it skews what you should be focused on."
Mangini is doing his part by breaking out the visual aids. At today's team meeting he showed an outline of where this year's team has been just to get to this point.
"I think it's been 267 days since off-season workouts began," he said. "You look at it comparatively, to get to the point where we are, it's a long, long road. Any kind of distraction, any kind of bump or bruise, any of that stuff, is really so small in the grand scheme of things as you look at our body of work."
One other coaching option he's considering — which he has to consider now, considering the logistics, even though it's a game ahead — is leaving for Seattle a week from Saturday, not a week from Friday.
"Yeah, there's a good chance," he said of the change of routine that the Jets have used for their three West Coast trips already this season, which have resulted in three losses. "It's definitely been talked about."
But all other talk this week will be about Buffalo and about how individuals and units and the team itself can improve its performance over the last two weeks.
"That's what we ask the team each and every week, win or lose," Mangini said. "Look at yourself in the mirror, evaluate everything you've done. Can you improve it? How can you improve it? How can you help us win moving forward? And that's not just the players but the coaches as well."
Whatever happens the rest of this season, it will be a team effort.
Special Issues
The Jets were close to breaking two nice returns. One we know about: Leon Washington's 99-yard kickoff return that almost gave the Jets a 21-17 fourth-quarter lead that was converted into a 39-yard return minus a 10-yard hold on James Ihedigbo.
Mangini was asked about the flag thrown by Ed Hochuli's crew for a second day. "There's nothing I can do about it," he said. "It was called. That was their decision."
The other chance didn't look too good, but in case you were wondering, Brad Smith's errant lateral that Washington had to save at the Jets 1 was a planned and practiced play, not a split-second decision by Smith.
"We were coming back with the option. It just was not very good execution on the option part," Mangini said. "We had a great opportunity if we'd been able to convert on that. [The coverage] looked exactly like what we'd been doing, knowing that there was just one contain defender on the backside. We thought we had a really good opportunity. Not only did we miss it but we put the ball on the minus-1."
As for the special teams penalties, you can make of it what you will. The Jets had been flagged for only five ST penalties in the first 12 games, only one in the last six games before Sunday. Then against the Niners, the Jets were hit with three penalties for 28 yards.
"Inside the Jets"
Tonight's 1050 AM ESPN radio show from Charlie Brown's restaurant in Chatham, N.J., will feature Washington — for his second appearance on the show — and QB Brett Ratliff. But yours truly is scheduled to make his third appearance, staying one ahead of Neon Leon. Representing the Jets Flight Crew at tonight's proceedings: Danielle B. and Alyssa. The show kicks off at 7 p.m.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (85)walter Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 6:24pm ET"Im still trying to figure out what happened here.....i mean we played so well until denver and then we go into this prevent defence and mangini is saying how he is not sure how we cant convert on third down but they were all day.ill tell ya how......because we were only rushing three and giving hill all day to find a reciever! RUSH THE QUARTERBACK.........FOR GOD SAKES"
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 6:47pm ET"diego loss now looks bad 5-8. NE at home 1st game no brady, the interium cable guy, denver half team on IR, frisco the interium pantsdropper!!!!................................................... i had to pause for a minute. but can someone, please!, someone, tell me how this is not COACHING? "
Pranit Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:01pm ET"If Mangenious is struggling so much this yr (now its even to make the playoff's); howz he even going to get a win next yr, with a brand new QB (Favre is most definitely not returing to this team)??...Give this much talent to BB, and he'll probably go undefeated...If this is the way they continue to play Defense they'll be home in Jan...LC & Jco are trying their best to hide behind DB's..great job."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:17pm ET"WILL ALL YOU stop with the Favre's arm being tired he over threw every1 pass down field the receivers can't catch up to them or not running the right routes WHAT GAMES ARE YOU WATCHING !!!!!!"
mikeinlasvegas Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:18pm ET"Randy, allow me to speak. And don't pull a Dad on me. The Jets have a huge problem. It's called predictability. Every team in the NFL knows what Mangini will do when the Jets are down. That's right, the opposing coaches and QB's just salivate. Prevent Defense, and then prevent offense. How about a 3 man rush ?, then adose of zone pass defense that would make Pee Wee Herman laugh"
Fred Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:21pm ET"I would ,,like to echo Ira's comments ,this was the worst regular season loss since Xmas Eve 2000, but I am not ready add this season to the Great Jet collapses of all time . I would have signed up for 11-5 & a home playoff game back in August & its still very possible"
John Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:35pm ET"Here's the problem, the coaches are not preparing the team for their opponet. The team is not playing aggressive on defense and the offense is not running the ball enough. It seems as if the players are not playing together and not playing consistant. "PLAY FOOTBALL LIKE YOU PLAYED AGAINST THE TITANS". Use the same game plan and the JETS will WIN!!! GO J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!"
Ken Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:40pm ET"We need to rush the QB for the love of God. My TV almost ate my remote....I'm tired of getting my hopes up.....3 more games we have to win. End of story."
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:11pm ET"Ira I do remember you saying beware of Martz. I owe Mr. Martz an apology because I called him a fraud & thought we would shut him down. Well he cleaned our defense's clock. Lets see if he can do it again this week.fljetfan I will not defend the coach this week."
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:15pm ET"randy ,how come bazooka joe mangini doesnt come out and critisize the officials or send a tape to the league office on bad calls like the hold on the kick-off return TD - OTHER COACHES COME OUT & RIP THE OFFICIALS no matter what the fine is, thats something I really dont like about him - SHOW YOU CARE ABOUT THE TEAM AND THE FANS AND STICK UP FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Randy Lange Said:
"jet jeff, Eric Mangini does send plays to the NFL office to review every week, just as every other coach in the league does."
Drew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:19pm ET"The problem with throwing flowers at the feet of Shanny and Martz is these were easy throws by Cutler and some guy named S Hill. The Jets couldnt answer anything they did. Its more the Jets lack of executing that led to these losses. I was throwing away the Bronco game because of rain and Cutler but to S Hill and a 4-8 SF team? The game never felt winnable. Again we could get off the field. "
troy Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:19pm ET"Ira , same here the first thought that came to mind was 00 at home against the lions needing to win just 1 of the last 3 to make playoffs and losing 10-7 at home ,97 also against the lions with the INT in the endzone win and your in ,I mean we could go on for hours about bad memory gamesbut these were for some reason the 1st thoughts ,Balt also in 00 after goin up 14-0 and losing ,win and your in."
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:21pm ET"watched the game again and(1) its amazing how many penalties were called on us again. real gamechangers.(2)the deepmiddle of field was wide open all day why is rhodes getting a pass hit somebody already(3)no pass rush at all ,secondary is bad but its definetly not just their fault"
Mike Catanzaro Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:29pm ET"Mike said: I understand that hybrid outside linebackers makes you stronger against the run, but Thomas and Pace can't cover anyone out of the backfield. Someone explain to me how you drop 8 guys into coverage and their responsible for 6 guys on offence and a receiver catches a pass and no defender is within 5 yards of him. It's obvious that the Jets don't have the players for this coaching schem"
Drew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:29pm ET"My biggest fear right now is we are going to come out tight against the Bills. The Bills will be playing for their coaches job and we are a fragile team right now. No matter what Favre says....If this game is close at the half we are in real trouble. The staff has got to realize this and gameplan to avoid putting us in this position....Even as I type I am so depressed right now!!"
ant Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:30pm ET"Is there any way that the pressure can be put on any quarterback this year. The Jets make any quarteback look like a hero . I could find someone open with the time they give. The second thing is tell Brett Farve that this is probally his best chance to get on the big stage again!!! Light a fire under his helmet!!!!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:33pm ET"its absolutly the coaching there is too much talent on both sides for it to fall apart like this its become an everyday excuse. Mangini stands at the podium and repeats the same snake oil every Sunday the fans are tired the players dont respect him and i think this for sure seals the deal for #4 &the once and for all retirement party need immediate change start with Sutton put a fire in mgt"s @ss DECLINED: ABBREVIATED VULGARITY (@SS)"
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:49pm ET"its my understanding that bad teams get flagged more than good ones yet we go in 8-4 frisco 4-8 and they get all the calls. i mean its a complete joke randy, dont you think? this is a leaguewide epidemic thats deciding which teams go to the postseason! between officialls and selfish players the older i get the more turned off the nfl i get"
jtgreeny Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:24pm ET"yes yesterday was bad..but with these guys knowing they have to win their gonna come out all three games on fire.. When they beat NE and Tenn they looked like they wanted it..So i expect the denfense to come out and blow buffablos Oline up..and please just give it to TJ soften the defense and then let brett pick them apart on PA..not an empty set..if u have any questions eric just call me thanks "
carl Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:44pm ET" We need Orignal play calling and flexablity. Defence lets work on covering the backs and tight ends in space in practice. Lets get after the quarterback! Kerry Rhodes Where Are You??Coaching on the fly!!!Motavation!!The Will To Win!!Hey Randy, do ya think Fireman Ed could make through one game??? ra"
Ed The Jet Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:06pm ET"Really frustrated right now.. We need for coach Mangini to get in his players face you cant rush 3 the whole game and expect to be productive. 2 weeks now we abandon the run too early. lets get the victories we need and stop playing down to teams we should be hammering. hey coach I believe in this team let them loose and hit everything that moves. start sunday against the hated Bills."
sal Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:13pm ET"Im still concerned about the effort on both sides, if desire isnt there all the game planning wont mean a thing, the other thing is players are now complainng about game adjustments and not being in position to make plays. We have seen this poor team effort this year already, hopefully it ended last sunday"
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:14pm ET"come to think of it maybe we need an interium HC since we cant beat them"
jets538 Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:25pm ET"yo fljetfan mangini is a young guy that still needs devlopment, but every coach in the nfl has room for inprovement. he needs experience but that will come in time the best nfl organizations build and devlop coaches to last for the future so give the guy a break son. "
Patrick from PA Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:41pm ET"We are not a physical, punch you in the mouth D. We are a please don't beat us deep, conservative sham of a D. We are lucky to be 8-5 with the way these coaches have called games. Enough of the percentages, consistency, and complimentary talk. Mangini looks like a frightened child on the sidelines nervously chewing away wondering what to do next. "
Joe P. Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:00pm ET"Mangini is a terrible coach. I bleed green, but even if the Jets get deep into the playoffs I will still think that this coach and his staff must GO. There's no way that this team ever makes a run with Mangini as coach. Woody spends millions and we underperform! How is this not Mangini's accountability and failure? Please Mr. Johnson - clean house after this season and start over!"
bleeding green Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:02pm ET"pathetic loss, DEFENSE is horrible.. no coverage, no pressure, favre looks like hes just testing his own arm throwing balls down field to nobody for fun. Keller cotchery and coles only 1 catch each,, dont we wanna get the ball in the hands of the playmakers? jones is the only player working hard and thats why hes haveing a career season .. RIGHT OR WRONG!!!!!!!"
Jeremy Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 12:49am ET"Any word on what Callahan is actually doing for this team? He is after all titled Asst. Head Coach. Any chance he can replace our boy Sutton--that would be a miracle. Honestly if Sutton stays on this team next year I'm done. Coaching staff is a complete joke! We all need to watch the Dolphins beat up on SF and see how to gameplan and attack a team. It seems young Shotty is taking after his Pops!"
terrance Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 1:21am ET"although we have improved the offense, defensive is without a doubt imperative. if the "d" don't show you have to score 40. you can't win consistently playing that way, as displayed several years in a row by the colts. i think this is a ploy, mangini and coaches don't want to give away all secrets prior to playoffs, give up a few games, win the rest and let's get it done in the playoffs!!!!!! "
always a fan Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 1:52am ET"It was a tough game. I didn't get to watch it, but play by play on line was pretty bad. But they still are on top and this is a team with all the albility you can ask for. It's been a tough season trying to come together as a team and they have done pretty well considering. Keep the faith. Go Jets!!!"
jet jeff Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 2:07am ET"thanks for answering my question randy , I just never hear about eric mangini talking about officiating and I dont dwell on it but that was a big one because we would have been in the lead and it was a clean block , I am just really hurt right now , I really believed this year ,but Im afraid the other teams are playing better and pennington should be mentioned for m.v.p. "
JETFAN007 Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 2:36am ET"Leon Washington is such an explosive player and considering we have two very good possession receivers, why hasn't the coaching staff designed some medium to deep pass plays for him. There isn't a linebacker in football that can cover him, and he can get the separartion from the db's that Coles and Cotchery haven't been able to get. He's a stud in the open field, get him the ball more!!!!"
jak, 19 wk jet fan Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 4:06am ET"the way weve lost is a bit dissapointing , when strategys arent working in a game such as 3 man prevent ect it would be nice if coach m would try and find some attack that will ,like man2man ,blitzes ect.throw out the gameplan and try the gamit of formations plays ect .and determine what opponent is susceptable to on gameday.youll b busier,but it may b worth it."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 5:40am ET"Ira That's the problem any time we go up against a good coordinator be it D or O we get out coached... Saying it all year players are always out of position 3-4 doesn't work or mangini doesn't understand how 2 use it ....Lowery gets torched every week never adjust when our scheme isn't working .8 in coverage & there recievers are wide open all over the field come on you know better its coaching"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 6:03am ET"Cont. & I'm being kind not mentioning the bad coaches & teams we lost to there is no defending this staff any more... I don't care if it's Martz or Vince Lombardi .. I understand your loyalty in the walk of life any one not doing the job there being paid for gets fired nice guy or not.. No way should we be fighting to get in playoffs at this stage.. WE all know it he has to go 3 years is enough "
uncle joe Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 6:48am ET"Alright,Buffalo was the spring board for a 5 game win streak.Another Buffalo win could be an other spring board for another 5 game win streak,and you know where that will put us!"
Ira Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 7:03am ET"MikeMc, Martz's play calling totally confused the Jets. There were WR's open all day. In my heart of hearts i really do believe in these guys. There is too much talent and pride for them not to bounce back and beat the Bills. Its become a 3 game season. Hope B.Smith is ok. If not you will see Clowney this week. GO JETS!!!!"
Ira Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 8:04am ET"Troy, If Hall didn't miss that FG the Jets would've won. It also didn't help that james Stewart ran all over the Jets in the rain and slop. Funny how things work out. The Jets needed to beat the Bills in week #9 to get to 5-3 and turn their season around. Now in week #15 they get the Bills again and need to win to save their season."
Daniel Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 8:10am ET"We have no defense. I am putting our bad play on Sutton. This guy is terrible. How is he still here??? Our LB's cant cover. We get no pass rush. We lose. This team can not win under this defensive regime. PERIOD. Why the heck is everybody blaming the secondary when QB's have all day to throw. Shaun Hill? Yancey Thigpen? Kerry Collins had 260 yds against us. Kurt Warner. Chad, etc!!!!"
mrgreen Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 9:45am ET"We have a RB that is 4th in the NFL in rushing with 12 rushing TD's & 2 receving TD's, the JETS have to pound him the next three games to open up the passing game again, I mean have Thomas Jones carry the ball 25-30 times, he along with the offensive line CAN carry this team to the AFC East title!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 9:59am ET"from 8-3 to misery thats what we digested last few weeks, well come sunday the jets need to come out and play hard, get the fans back in there corner get the confidence back they had going into tenn, i think the broncos game broke them but the need to realize they still can win this div.and do it at home. i would be shocked if mangini is not on the hot seat if he loses this season,totaly shocked!"
MARK Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:00am ET"Mangini says the same thing over & over after a loss, sounds like Norv Turner when he was with the skins. Show some fire coach on the sidelines. Why can't we just run the ball, short mid-field passes which got us to where we were before. If it's 3 and 1 go for the first down, and worry about the next play afterwards, sick of this assinine play calling, why not run a draw play on 3rd & 8 HACKETT "
Ira Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:10am ET"Drew, The jets will take care of their business this week. One thing though to keep an eye on is that the Bills have not scored an offensive TD in 9 quarters. Plus Losman and Evans have always seemd to burn the Jets with a long pass play in previous games. The Jets need to come out and jump on the Bills the way they did with the cards and rams earlier in the year. The vets will not play tight."
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:10am ET" we don't get 3 wins we are out period colts ravens secured there wild cards we cant afford a loss crazy its come to that reality from just a few weeks ago we where the team to beat NY Superbowl. it was great times for us jets fans now we all dread Sunday hoping the jets who played the titans show up but not 100% sure who were getting and NE/MIA could actually take our spot sad week for me GOJETS."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:16am ET"Drew stop Pooh Poohing the the players for not executing. Nonsense they have looked lost, befuddled and confused since the Pats game. They are progressively getting worse and what is truely alarming and is a serious indictment of the coaching staff is they (coaches) can't fix it. We can only dream and wish for a coach like Shanahan. He is a guy who consistantly gets the best out of his players."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:22am ET"Oh by the way isn't it revealing that the 2 players I wanted off the team Coles and Ellis are both creating headaches for the organization right now. We sure could use a little dose of Jared Allens brim and firestone on a team that lacks identity and swagger. Mikey Mc and a few others want the players to step up well the problem is Mangini wants programmable robots to plug and play in his XBOX."
IVAN Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:03am ET"TO MY ATTENTION IT LOOKS LIKE THE JETS ONLY PLAY STRONG AGAINST GOOD TEAMS AND THEY REALLY DONT GO WITH THAT MOMENTUM LIKE THEY DO AGAINST TEAMS BELOW 500 AND IT IRKS ME BECAUSE THESE TEAMS THAT ARE BELOW 500 ARE TEAMS THAT CAN ACTUALLY BEAT YOU AND PUT YOU OUT OF THE PLAYOFF PICTURE. ALL IM TRYING TO SAY IS THE JETS NEED TO PLAY STRONG AGAINST EVERYBODY , THIS IS THE NFL, EVERY TEAM IS GOOD ."
ed duignam Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:04am ET"this board is becoming as predictable as the jets offense. the suggestions are becoming mundane. Mangini has Pete Carroll syndrome (i wanna be liked by my players). He eased up in camp and during the week in season. They all got their big fat paychecks. And even the usually reliable LC is dogging it. Syracuse should call Mangini and Woody should call Cowher!"
Hogan Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:31am ET"I will no longer defend this staff. I hate to say it but Frank was right all along. I dont like being negative and always felt it did no good, but coaches refuse to adjust what is not working or playrs cant execute. O and D coordinaters need to go regaurdless, and if we miss the plyoffs the whole staff minus WESTY. He should be Head Coach!!!"
Sam Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:40am ET"Mark u r right. Mangini DOES says the (SAME THING) over & over after a loss. I have mentioned this also and it is **(REALLY)** annoying! How many times is MANGINI going to say after a lost that WE need to be more CONSISTENT? He has been saying this for 3 yrs now and they just back and forth. At what point do u say the players r not listening to the Coach or the players are NOT getting it."
Kurt Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:48am ET"Yes, the 64 MILLION dollar question is, How do the JETS beat NE & the TITANS & can't beat the Broncos or the 49ERS? This is the UP/DOWN, inconsistent play that a lot of JETS fans r tired of seeing & hearing from MANGINI. At what point does the team get it from MANGINI about being CONSISTENT? If Mangini keeps saying it OVER & OVER, but they dont' get it, then is the problem the PLAYERS or MANGINI."
zartan Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 12:36pm ET"The jets need to distinguish who their best players are and exploit them.IMO Thomas Jones is one.I really like Manghini as a person but he needs to get it together.He knows good players but he lacks the X & Os knowledge to make him great.Do think he can do it with time.But Mr.Johnson bought an old team and we can't wait."
Ken Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 12:48pm ET"I can't beleive BOWENS said this. “I'll be the first to admit it. Winning 8 games, everybody was kind of in their mode of doing things, preparing. I didn't think there'd be a falloff in the game & there was. I saw that on the field during practice & I just didn't say anything" Can u believe that this is STILL happening! MANGINI picked these players. Y do u have to keep talking to them about this."
Peter Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 1:04pm ET"I and MANY JETS fans are tired of SAME speech from MANGINI after a lose about BEING CONSISTENT, and we need to be (MORE CONSISTENT). Mangini has been saying this for **(3 YEARS)** now! Either the players are NOT listening to MANGINI or MANGINI did not pick the right players. MANGINI needs to come up with ANOTHER speech after a lost. "
TJMGold Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 1:30pm ET"Why is the ball suddenly never thrown to coles or cotchery lately? They need to run plays that utilize Coles, Cotchery, Keller and Washington ALL. Getting tired of there being 2 minutes left in the game and the announcers pointing out that Coles hasn't caught a catch all game. And please stop wasting drives on bombs down the field. Hasn't worked since week 1!"
Drew Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 1:56pm ET"Here's the biggest problem I see besides the lack of hitting the QB. The league has caught on to our short passing game. The Keller route, the screen pass and the slant have been taking away the last 2 weeks. We will need to adjust to have any chance running 3 games in a row off. Again...we need to get off fast on Sunday or this team will get tight. The tension in the crowd will not help either"
scjoe Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 2:23pm ET"I believe there is blame enough to go around,offense,defense, and coaching. Two things I disagre with 1- Pound the ball the last three games, how do you do that when you only have the ball for 20 minutes? 2- Coach not showing emotion, I can tell you of a couple of coaches (Belichek, Dungy) who show very little emotion, they do pretty well!"
CD Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 2:25pm ET"Did you see Trent Dilfers analysis of the regular season outcome? He's got the Jets winning the division easily. I predicted 11/5 and just watch and see, if they play like they can they'll do it. Go Jets"
Troy Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 3:03pm ET"If mangini and the coordinators can mix it up make aggresive playcalls that are risk taking they'll win back the confidence of the team,the players will play with more fire,and therefore our talent will take over ,but if they dont change nothing on this downward spiral will,and it will be another devastating end to a promising season that is really if ever so WIDE open,I mean we already beat TENN!"
uncle joe Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 3:16pm ET"Hated the way we played but,I thought SF has been looking real good lately.They will probably beat Miami this weekend and NE hurting on Defense is in trouble against Arizona next week so as disgusting as it sounds I think we only need 2 out of the next three.Would love to wrap it up before we play Miami."
Rick Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 4:29pm ET"The Jets proved that they have the team to beat the best when they played New England and Tenn. Now you have to beat the rest! Play with the same enthusiam that you played against Tenn. Open the game. You need a long and short passing game to keep the opponents off balance. If Brett throws and interception on a 60 yard bomb, so what. No worse than a good punt on 4th and long."
jim Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 4:55pm ET"40 Years a fan and season ticket holder, I told office jets fans after the tenn win its just smoke Now back to reality. Some GENIUS our head coach is."
luke Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 5:03pm ET"The problem with the jets is play calling! You need to run to make the pass work and you need to pass to make the run work, so instead of getting pass happy and acting like its the end of the world when were down by 1 or two touchdowns lets get back to football 101. Even though we have a hall of fame quarterback we need to reley of our two very good backs and our proven offensive line. "
luke Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 5:10pm ET"Lets bring back the pass rush!!! It's a little known fact that if you get pressure on the quarterback it shortens the field of play and keeps those dreaded tightends in to block. So lets make it easier on our secondary and give the other teams offense something to think about like us crushing their quarterback and not lets see how good Calvin Pace's coverage is. "
luke Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 5:15pm ET"If the jets started worrying about the pass rush and started making Calvin Paces of Kerry Rhodes presents known it would give the O-line something to worry about other than Kris Jenkins. Our big man can't be the only thing they have to worry about or their going to further wear him down. That guys got the hardest job on the field. "
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 6:54pm ET"Cont. So Marty Lyons you & your friend Mike better make your appointments with Dr O'Brien early & often till seasons end .. Just keep the gun out of Mikes hands "
Drew Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 6:56pm ET"Frank...I am not going to defend Mangini here to make my point but there were guys WIDE OPEN even when we sent more than 3 or 4 guys. Phil Simms even pointed it out that 2 guys kept following the WR on 3rd down. Coleman, Revis, Law, Poteat. It happened a lot. "
JETFOREAL Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 8:19pm ET" the more i look in to this message the more it sounds like a failure speech a coach that has no real answer to his teams burning question "what do we do boss" we win or lose as a team what the hell is that what kind of playoff readiness talk is that these men need to be fired up. these are athletes not car salesmen trying to reach a quota he needs to look in the mirror and wake up"
Row Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 9:36pm ET"Just in case someone didn't notice, we lost a DE and drafted on in the 1st round. I want to see Vernon Gholston rushing the passer. We have so many talented players, and starters that aren't performing. Is this a publicity stunt? Are we not playing the best players? I want to see results, I don't care who's name is on the back of the uniform. Anyone know a player we have that could help this team?"
Howie D Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:37pm ET"No doubt about it, coaching staff must step up their game. Sure, these high paid guys should be self motivated, but now is the time for the coaches to get the best from the entire team. Jets are loaded with talent and is definitely a playoff caliber team. Besides a good game plan, coaches must adjust as the game progresses. Let's go! Fire on all cylinders and win, win, win!"
Ray Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:12am ET"Oh Frank you have got to be kidding, wish for a coach like Shanahan? Talk about a man living off some early success. If it weren't for Elway the man would have never won anything, but because of Elway he got this reputation as some qb guru and what has he done since Elway retired? Nothing. Denver is consistently one of the most active teams in free agency and trades. They have been "the team"
Ray Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 4:22am ET"to beat in the AFC" and despite the free spending they come up short. The qb "guru" has gone through 5 or 6 since Elway, why can't he develop anyone if he's so good? Mangini will be here next year, but if not I would dream of guys like Jeff Fisher, Cowher or Andy Reid if he gets cut loose in Philly if I wanted someone that gets the most out of his players. Not some pompous arrogant underachiever"
Brian I Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 9:54am ET"I could not agree with Mike in Las Vegas more. I posted a comment weeks ago saying that during the game just by looking at the alignment i called 8 out of 10 offensive plays. Now if I could do that from my couch at home, what would an opposing defensive coordinator do with that predicatbility??? On Defense you can not rush three, you can drop 100 backs it wont stop anyone, ask Shaun Hill!"
MikeMc Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 11:09am ET"Ray you bring up an excellent point about Shannahan, hes certified, bonifide credible due to his early success, same with Reid, Cohwer & fisher. My point is if Mangini ever wins anything in his career he'll be looked at in the same light.My biggest fear is a step back I think consistancy is key for the long term health of the organization, but a little credibility wouldn't hurt. Go Jets!!!"
Newfan Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 12:14pm ET"Brian has a good point, 3 man rush is weak. We cannot continue to just dink the ball and rely on screens, open the game up a little and not with trick plays."
Frank Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 1:15pm ET"Ray you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. I am not even going to waste my time responding to you. Have a nice day!"
Ray Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 2:11pm ET"Frank you don't have to respond, the facts are the facts, and Shanahan has been living off Elways coattails for a decade now. You have a nice day too!"
Ray Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 2:17pm ET"MikeMc I don't have a problem with Mangini's coaching style. I don't need him going up and down the sidline ranting at players. He can chew his gum. His personality is what it is and it is well documented that showy sidline displays don't make you a good coach per se. What I do agree with many of the posters in here about is the fact that there seems to be no in game adjustments to correct...."
Ray Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 2:23pm ET"...things that aren't working. And I don't know if that is Mangini or the coordinators. But Mangini is the HC so he in the end gets the blame. I agree with you though that changing head coaches can turn into a nightmare, look at Detroit. The coordinators are another story. Personally I never liked the 3-4 D and I like the D we ran with D. Henderson, very aggressive."
Anonymous Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 5:18pm ET"Mangini wants a collaborative effort. So let's ALL focus on doing the wrong thing. What doesn't make sense here? We need some game adjustments. Woody, you spent the money to get us talent. Now comes the easy part, put someone in charge that has some charisma, can lead and help make a difference. PLEASE!!!"
ohiojetsfan1 Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 6:25am ET"Offense and Defense stink, period. We are not going to go anywhere in the playoffs with a weak screen pass and a defense that seems to look bewildered as slot recievers and tight ends post up in the middle and catch the ball for 10 yard gains. Both sides need to evolve as the season progresses...Not same ol, same ol. Fire the O.C. and D.C they absolutely are terrible."
knucklehead Said:
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 11:07pm ET"collective effort--now is the time to kick everybody in the behind and get them mad and fired up and ready to be aggressive and stop believing in the now and start ATTACKING THE NOW!!!! jets fan for 40 years and its the same old story--one thing i like about the steelers and ravens even when they lose they are out there smashing people in the mouth--stop thinking and start smashing ATTACK THE NOW"
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Ira Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 6:09pm ET"Randy, Yesterday was one of the most disapointing losses in a long time for me. I thought they just had a bad day vs the Broncos and would bounce back with a strong game. Sure i picked the Jets to win but Drew and MikeMc remeber i did write beware of Martz. And boy did he take them to school. Enough said. They still control their fate. Get back the urgency and win this division.GO JETS!!!!"
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