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12/08 — Candlestick is one of the NFL's odd ballparks, all angles and non-parallel lines, a fine location on San Francisco Bay that nevertheless attracts large numbers of seabirds as the day's crowd checks out while leaving its detritus behind.
And the 'Stick and its tenants, the 49ers, had an odd effect on the Jets on Sunday afternoon. After getting better and better while winning seven of eight, the visitors from the East regressed for a second straight game in their 24-14 loss.
And in the odd visitors' locker room, they had no answers but a number of symptoms for what is ailing them the past two weeks.
"Our offense couldn't stay on the field," said guard Brandon Moore. "One-for-10 on third downs .... you're not going to win a game with that."
"The main thing they did was hold the ball for 40 minutes," said head coach Eric Mangini. "When a team does that, it's not going to be very good offensive production."
"Penalties," offered Leon Washington, "were killing us all day."
"All credit to them," said cornerback Ty Law. "They played with a lot more energy than we had."
These tendencies — success on third downs on both sides of the ball, penalties, energy level — had been going the Jets' way in that run through the win at Tennessee. The last two weeks, those traits have not shown up.
What had to be as troubling was that nothing could seem to spark the Jets today. The Green & White were like green kindling all game long.
A strip fumble caused by Kris Jenkins, recovered by Calvin Pace at the Jets' 17 in the first quarter? The offense responded with a three-and-out and the Niners answered with their first TD drive.
David Bowens' third-quarter interception led to the Jets' second touchdown drive, but San Francisco then retook the lead with an 11-play drive to a field goal that gave them the lead they would never lose.
Washington's tour de force kickoff-return score turned into a tour-de-fizzle when the play was nullified by a holding call on James Ihedigbo, followed by another hold on Chris Baker and a 1-yard loss on a Brett Favre-to-Thomas Jones screen.
Two things the Jets said didn't cause this tumble were Pacific Time and their practice schedule.
"I think that's no reason to not perform in a football game," Mangini said about going to 0-3 on the West Coast. "It doesn't matter where we play. We just have to play well."
And Jones didn't lay it on the week of preparation. "We had great practices during the week," he said. "We have to execute better on Sundays."
The Jets also agreed their confidence in themselves remains strong, although they were a bit grimmer this game that the confidence isn't being rewarded.
"After last week, I felt we were still a confident team. We just let one slip away," said Moore. "We did that again this week. The guys have to come together and get our swagger back."
"People were talking us up," said Law. "We have to live up to the hype. We have to play up to our level of talent. I believe in these guys. This team is a good football team."
"You just saw the difference two weeks can make," safety Kerry Rhodes said. "There was all that talk that we were the best team in the AFC. But we can still get back to that point. We can still write a good finish to this season."
That is still very true. If the Jets win their last three, vs. Buffalo on Sunday, at Seattle, and back home vs. Miami, they win the division and get a home playoff game. But they've got to answer questions and quickly this week or that's not going to happen.
"We just have to get out of this funk," said Jones, the man who brings his teammates together in the end zone for words of encouragement, inspiration and fire before each game. "We understand what's at stake. We have three games left. We have to turn this thing around."
Here are the five lowest possession times in a game for the Jets since 1990:
| Season | Opp. | TOP | Final Score |
| 2005 | vs. NE | 16:39 | Patriots, 31-21 |
| 2005 | at DEN | 17:32 | Broncos, 27-0 |
| 1997 | vs. IND | 19:53 | Colts, 22-14 |
| 2008 | at SF | 20:11 | 49ers, 24-14 |
| 1990 | vs. PIT | 20:35 | Steelers, 24-7 |
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (126)Duaine Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:04am ET"Mangini and his coaching staff needs to go.All they do his stand on the sidelines and chew gum not saying a word to the players when they do good or bad. A coach is suppose to be involve get mad at the players when they screw up not just stand up on the side has if it does not bother him. AGAIN THE DEFENSE STINKS BOB SUTTON MUST GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
DUAINE Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:34am ET"Where is our offense its the second week they are still in the locker room and did not come on the field. there is no reason that you cannot get these guys open.Be CREATIVE COACHES.I guess not the owners should take a long look at the coaching staff this off season he is wasting money, just like i am doing buying the NFL TICKET PACKAGE on TV which i wont be doing no more.times r too hard ."
Adam Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:59am ET"If you want to break out of this funk try a more aggressive game plan. Its the same plays that beat the Jets everytime they lose. The Jets rush three or four the quaterback sits back there for 5 seconds before dumping a 3 yard crossing route to a slot receiver that has all day to run because the other 8 guys are 30 yards down the field."
August Smith Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:32am ET"Same old losing Jets. They get the fans hopes up only to fail. Farve cannot throw down field. Receivers can' get open. No pass rush. Can no longer run the ball. Defensive secondary is a joke. It's clear they have holes in every phase except running back. Let's not forget our draft bust in Golston. I am fed up with this organization."
jak 19 wk jet fan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:52am ET"well i got most of the bleakness of sundays loss outta my system, [a defense thats next to last against the pass,is not gonna get it done ,play man 2 man and blitz or something] tied for first is still good and the jets r still the best team in this division. go jets"
Tom Spicer Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:10am ET"This is the most talented team the Jets have had since 1998 if this team does not make the playoffs MANGINI HAS TO GO period"
BigDaddyRay Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:18am ET"What In The HELL!!! Happen w/ u guys, everything waz going so well. Now all of a sudden the bottom just dropped out from under u guys, don't get me wrong about u guys I know u guys will get the AFC East Title, I believe in u guys, but 'MG' PLEASE get it 2gether GENTLEMEN. U guyz BEAT 2 great teams a couple of weeks ago 'WHAT HAPPENED'!!!! 'GET IT 2GETHER GUYZ' JET FAN FOREVER!! GO JETS !!!!"
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:25am ET"hate to say it but mangini looks tight and the players play that way. i dont know what else it could be?TJ10 touches? LC i think might be a cancer? Either way our recieving core has been poor all yr. ill say it again, noone respects our deep threat and brett is frustrated. you think the biggest gambling QB of all time wants to dink an dunk? their small WR,s and it just tuff to deal with."
BigDaddyRay Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:32am ET"MR. MANGINI GET MORE FIRE IN THEM TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT MEANS 2 JET FANS OF BEING PUSHED AROUND 4 MANY YRS, & NOT TAKING U GUYZ SERIOUS. GET THAT 'D-FENCE' GOING STOP THE SHIG-GA-DEE, GET MORE ON THEIR BUTTS!! YOU GOT TO GET MORE TOUGHER OUT THERE MR. MANGINI........ W/ MORE EMOTION OUT THERE. JET FAN FOREVER 'GO JETS' "
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:38am ET"I just read all the posts fom during & after the game, & I feel all of your fustrations, I am bitterly disappointed.70% of the posts want Mangini/Sutton/Shotty fired, the rest were ripping the "D"& WR's. Maybe I missed one but where is the criticism of Favre? He was over & under throwing WR's all day. I know the big problem is the secondary, LB's covering the flat & lack of pressure. ...."
Kevin Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:39am ET"Shame on me for drinking the kool-aid. I started to believe this was a good team with a chance. HOF QB or not its the same old Jets. Now they might not even make the playoffs. I am sick of this team doing this to me. Bring up my hopes then rip them down. Most likely they win the division get up our hopes AGAIN then get crushed by the Colts in the 1st round. Same old Jets. Thanks alot. Shame on me!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:41am ET"man i gotta say it favre is absolutly horrible his #s are down he has'nt thrown a td in 2 straight we been behind last 8 qtrs. i think this team is cursed namaith sold his sole LOL but seriously they made a mistake taken favre and pennington is proving it every sunday he took a 1-15 team and became the leader and now we will have to figure out who takes over when 4 retires in febuary its sad "
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:45am ET"Truth be told there is plenty of blame including all the coaches. I hear all of you that want to put it all on the coach. I read 1 post that said" we were outcoached in every loss this year"I guess we outcoached them when we won?Mike theEX said he" has disdain for this org. & players from top to bottom"then why be a fan?Coach needs to put the players in position to be successful,players make plays"
Frank Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:45am ET"There really is no use piling on many of you made the point for me. I can't help but to think the Ellis fiasco might have something to do with this. It's amazing the second I jump into the Mangini bandwagon we fall off a cliff. Obviously we still controll our own destiny however if this team fails to win the division and make the playoffs Mangini and his staff except Westhoff should be fired."
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:48am ET"then i gotta read about law saying the need to play with more energy he is another joke these guys that are done or 2 steps behind should just stay out of the game they are no help. this whole jets aquisition is going to kill us in the years to come these so called vets look tired & beatup all probowlers of the past key word here folks is the PAST while fins rebuild the jets dimantle not good"
John R Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:50am ET"I think the Jets need to prepare better defensively for teams which appear to be weaker opponents. I give the 49er's credit for taking advantage of a soft defense, but I think better preparation would have limited some play ability. Also, I think the coaches need to get the players focused. There seemed to be a significant lack of desire all around. Where's the fire? Grab opportunity now. "
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:53am ET"I will no longer defend this coaching staff, I will not criticize them either. We are playing meaningful Dec. games & thats what I expect every year. I will let you haters have the floor as my friend Drew said in a prev. blog post.Keep in mind Balt & Indy won so there may be no wildcard out of the AFC east, Div & homegame or bust.Players need to fight for their coach, it could be glory or gone!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:55am ET"now with all my negativity gone with 3gms left and the opportunity to win the division the jets coaching needs to come up with solid game planning and game calling someone needs to be held accountable for what happened and changes need to implemented favre avgs 160 yds per game while other qbs are racking 275-350 yds per game is favre the problem? is coaching the prob,what is wrong here let fix it"
Charlie D Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:04am ET"Randy and Fans, We are in trouble and I am worried about the season. Defense and offense cordinators need to be gone. Matt Castle is available after this year. Could be good choice if Farve decides to retire. "
Tom Spicer Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:05am ET"Herm Edwards made the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was here & he did it with alot less talent than Mangini has & the 2 years he did not make it our whole team was injured Mangini needs to take over the D play calling away from Sutton & make the calls"
bigpete Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:14am ET"Enough people with the fire the coordinator comments, all our troubles start and end with Eric Mangini's ego...... How is it that other teams can get quality play from their average players (pass rushers and corners) but ours get exposed?? the guy overcoahes with all his "technique" chants, these guys have special talents so he should teach to their strengths!!!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:18am ET"Sutton, has to go he is to conservative BLITZ ! have your DB'S get in the face of the WR'S dare these team to beat you deep. Why are we 10 yards off of the ball we give up 5 yard passes all day. WHY can we not make any adjustments on D we get beat with the same thing every time "
Sindrew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:22am ET"Why isn't Brett throwing Touchdown passes? Why is Brett throwing for less than 200 yards. This is not just one game, this seems to be the case for every game. One of the best QBs ever and it's like he's handuffed."
Brian I Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:23am ET"While I will not throw in the towel, I am disgusted with how flat this team came out. I said it from the first drive where they were given excellent field position and did not go for it on fourth down. The defense HAS BECOME A LIABILITY, whether it is scheme (sutton) or execution by the players (talent) it is pourous. Once again as in prior years the pass rush is non existant."
Monika Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:23am ET"I can't believe they way Jets been playing in past two sundays. I'm really disappointed in their performance. I'm really hoping they can come out of this hole and performe at their best and win last three games. "
Sindrew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:25am ET"The sad reality is this once possibly Super Bowl team could very well end up 8-8. Consider the West Coast Seahawks a loss. Chad will have something to prove and the Bills want revenge."
bigpete Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:27am ET"Another case in point, Mangini can be a good head coach based on his standards but hes trying to run a defensive scheme that he learned from bill belicheck. Tip... He'll never be the defensive guru belicheck is so stop with all this copycat stuff and go another direction. We cant keep faulting the coaches and players when he's the one creating these terrible situations!!!"
Drew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:32am ET"As a Mangini defender I'm at a complete loss from what I saw yesterday. The gameplan was horrible. The 3 man rush serves zero purpose. 8 in coverage and yet guys are wide open. I let this team off the hook against Denver as they do have weapons but SF and S Hill?? Team look totally unprepared for 2 weeks now. I am still in Mangini's corner but I have no bullets to fight off the haters today."
jtgreeny Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:39am ET"I been hearing the media saying that the dolphins control their own destiny..but we have a better div record and we have the same confrence record..i dont understand..Randy can you help please??"
Randy Lange Said:
"jtgreeny, both the Jets and Dolphins "control their own destiny." If the Jets win out and finish tied with the Patriots at 11-5, the Jets take the AFC East title based on better division record than NE (5-1 to 4-2). If the Dolphins win out and finish tied with the Pats, the Dolphins take the title based on better conference record than NE (8-4 to 7-5). "
alan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:41am ET"I don't get it , How do not go for it on 4th and 2 on the 49ers 32 . and you punt it I just don't unders stand what coach it thinking about in the last 2 games. there just to many trick plays . Every year they get you so happy the blow up at the end of yr . It's time for change bob shutten has to go ."
Howie D Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:43am ET"Eric Mangini , in his postgame PC, said "the players didn't execute the plays." While that maybe true, the real problem is that we were outcoached AGAIN. This team will remain mediocre if we don't change the offensive schemes or COORDINATOR. Schottenheimer should spend his down time studying Mike Martz. Inability to shut down opponents passing game is also a recipe for an early winter vacation. "
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:50am ET"hey mike ex jet not even a rookie head coach, but a coach who took over during the season has his team playing with tons of energy and if they do something wrong he takes to the back & lets them have it , mangini watchs nuckle head plays all the time and just shakes his head and chews, I never see any sideline meetings or anything, if we dont make playoffs its time to go !!!! "
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:00am ET"whoever said the dolphins are going to lose to the 49ers , get a clue , the dolphins are a good team ,WELL COACHED & they are going to rip that lowsy team, they beat raiders, chargers, look how the pats came back to beat seahawks, we arnt going to beat seatlle !!!!"
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:04am ET"well the light at the end of the tunnel shows jets still lead the div. 3games left if they win them? theywin the div.this next gamew/bills is crucial to the playoffs need to remain ahead in the div.with bills win could lead to sparks for the seatlle game another west cost nightmare trip, 0-3 but winnable then the finale w/ mia look make the PO everyone is 0-0 thats the positive but we need to win"
jaylo Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:10am ET"Once again awful, passive defence and poor offensive play calling. If the Jets do not make the playoffs, they must eat Mangini's last year and give a call to Cowher ASAP!!!"
Mike Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:11am ET"Funny that the Colts game from 1997 is listed at the end of the story, because that's exactly what this latest dabacle reminds me of. The Jets have everything to play for, but don't show up...and in the end it cost them a playoff spot. Hopefully that doesn't happen this year, but it's starting to look a lot like: 2000, 1997, 1994, 1993, 1988...."
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:11am ET"a little tired of the pack rats trying to convince me brett favre is the savior HE IS NOT his long ball looksweak and he is way off 3 times to cotchery off the mark i know #4is a legend but his days of old are gone this is why he cant avg more then 160yds per game either they feel somethings not right with him and have to manage this team from qb diadvantage or favre just dont measure up anymore!"
Frank Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:12am ET"The start of the game defines Mangini and the staff perfectly. SF tries the onside kick and we recover. I was fully expecting Favre to go to the endzone on the first pass of the game and try to make them pay immediately and make a statement instead we call 3 conservative plays and on 4th and 2 on the 38 we punt? That's playing scared and it demoralizes the team...play to win or go down swinging!"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:13am ET"I'll tell you what really frosts my muffin, Mangini preaches improvement every practice every game, & we really saw that coming to fruition after the Oak debacle.It seems after we peaked vs. N.E. & Tenn we are on a steady path of regression, not doing the little things & penalties.Where is the urgency, the passion?I know we have 3 big games left but who out there feels good about our chances now ?"
Greg from Albany Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:17am ET"Yesterday's game was painful to watch. Penalties? Lack of 3rd down conversion? This didn't even look like the same team that beat NE and Tenn. I have no doubt that this team has enough talent to be a force in the playoffs, but right now I' hoping we can win 2 of the next 3 and MAKE the playoffs. Taking care of business at home V. Buffalo is a must if this team wants to make noise in the post seasn"
cb Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:18am ET"You need to consider if a recovery had occurred in the endzone, and a call on a 99 yard return, then the game would have been different! it takes time to convince a team they are championship caliber; it is earned on the field, not in the paper!!"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:20am ET"Drew I wish I can say the game plan was horrible, but the truth is I don't know what the game plan was because I saw NO execution of anything that resembled a well thought out play on offense or defense. There also were a few questionable penalties for SF as well as us, can Hockulee please let the players play & keep the flags in your crews pocket except for the obvious infractions. "
JETFOREAL Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:26am ET" wow all the closet mangini haters stepping out knew i was'nt the only one who wants him and his staff out it took 2ugly gms to reveil it but the fact is its been an entire season last yr! and now managed to somehow lose the grip of the best team since 98 maybe cutting cowher that blankchecks not a bad idea with goodmoney spent on aqusitions why waste it with mangin sutton shotty they cant win it!"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:27am ET"Only coach that showed emotion on the sideline was westoff .. Sit mangini & let westy take us the rest of the way .. LIke SF did with Mike nolan worked on us but then again any trickery at all get it done against us... its proven every week Smart move & beat buff bet miami takes them apart they will be ready unlike ...Bazooka joe Mangini.. Mike MC still not embarrassed huh"
scjoe Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:27am ET"Can someone please tell me how a mediocre 49er team, who are out of the play off picture can come out of the shoot so fired up and remain fired up all day, while we, who have everything in front of us, come out flat and stay flat the entire game? Someone? Please?"
Frank Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:42am ET"Gee Mikey Mc you hit the nail on the head. Coaches need to put the players in position to make plays.Well if the coaches consistantly put players in a position to not make plays then they can't make them. Mangini & Co have failed miserably in consistantly getting the most out of their players and putting them in position to use their talents. Worst yet is their inabilty to make in game adjustments"
Steve from Lindenhurst Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:46am ET"With Eric Mangani stating over and over that consistency is the key, he has this team as inconsistent as ever. 2 great wins, 2 dreadful losses. Where is the consistency in the coach?? I agree with what people are saying. If this guy lets this team "collaspe" and not make the playoffs he should be fired! Period. This team can still turn it around and win this division. Make it happen Eric!!!!!"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:55am ET"MikeThe Ex , I know this is a happy Monday for you , the fish won & the jets lost. It also allows you to rail against my team. Why should I be "embarressed" my passion as a fan is to root for my teams success, their shortcomings are no reflection of me, therefore it is impossible for me to be embarressed.I feel sympathy for the fans,disappointment in the players & coaches & apathy for you."
fljetfan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:56am ET"the gum chewing? whatever? i will say it shows a lack of confidence and nervousness that the team, i really believe senses. they dont respect their coach and his philosophy's. they see a belichek imposter, its comical. LC has no respect for him or anybody else for that matter. BF is not done. LC is. penny held us back we didnt want him and then some of you kill farve? selfish, selfish, LC!! "
jet jeff Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 11:59am ET"we are not a physical team ,thats all there is to it, have you all seen the steelers , how they hit and fly all over the feild or the ravens last night , giants, watch the bucs hit, titans and all their coaches are tough ,emotional leaders, BAZOOKA JOE MANGINI HAS TO GO, "
sal Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:01pm ET"i dont know what your looking at, but what is happening this great offensive line is doi its job last two games, they are playing like their stuck in the mud plain and simple, you cant give a qb 4-5 sec. to throw the rock. they better wake up or they end up 8-8, totaly unacceptable, then mangini haters will get there wish, then we can look at acouple of more years of this "
Patrick from PA Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:01pm ET"Once again embarrassed by an inferior team. I think it is about time somebody loses their job. I would love to see Cowher come here, but would he really want to? The only coach who really knows what he is doing here is Westhoff. Once again Leon and the Hoff almost save the day but a holding penalty from one of the worst crews cost us big. "
CSAR Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:02pm ET"Anyone else notice that you put the ball in TJ's hands and we win games, you put the ball in the air and we drop two straight? What kind of bonehead works hard to create a running identity and than calls these plays?"
Steve from Lindehurst Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:06pm ET"If Brett Favre cannot throw down the field and loosen up defenses, we are not winning this division! I could tell right away when he threw that out to Keller, who did drop it, that his ball was sinking. He was clearly not on. An even more disturbing sight was this defense, what has happened to Jenkins and Co?? They looked really old and slow yesterday. More Blitzes and more downfield passes!!"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:07pm ET"sc joe .. let me answer your question coaching coaching coaching can't be any thing else same stupid mistakes every week,, 3 man rush 8 men in coverage get beat consistently for big yardage DBS are 20 yards off the line .. Never adjust to any scheme .. We get behind & the players look defeated on the sidelines .. Every team makes us look like jerks any true team is a refection of how its coached "
sal Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:08pm ET"im not big on coinsidence's, the ellis bust must have had more of a impact on this team then people are willing to admitt., and by the way they are performing it shows. they should of sat him, couldnt get any worse, and those were the teams to sit him against"
Dublin Jet Niall Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:15pm ET"Loath as I am to admit it, Frank is correct on his post re the start of the game. We've got to go for it to establish some early momentum, settling for the punt sent the wrong signal(to our own players, never mind the opposition!). Let's bring the passion coaches, the fans here won't hammer you if we lose a white knuckle shoot out! But another death by 1000 cuts............? Last chance saloon men"
Frank Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:18pm ET"Mikey Mc you mention Favre but honestly he didn't make any glaring mistakes he ran the plays he was told. However, I will tell you what really makes my egg boil is that post game comments like "No one is panicking here" ...Oh really well they all better start panicking and playing with a sense or urgency or the season will be over shortly. Looking at the age on this roster the window is here now."
bobby from brooklyn Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:42pm ET"No one talks much about Kerry Rhodes, seems like he has disappeared this year?"
Mike CW Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:45pm ET"I am going to be honest. I don't see the Jet's making the playoffs. The past 3 out of 4 weeks we have made the opposing QB look like Tom Brady. I am referring to Cassell, Cutler, and HIll. Cutler is okay. I was fine with that. Shawn Hill?! I must be going crazy. He more than doubled Favre's production. There is no motivation. Tell the team to stop reading about how good they are and JUST PLAY!"
Favrefan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:49pm ET"I completely agree with those bashing Mangini. Why go for it on 4-2 and 4-3 last week and then not this week when in your opponents territory. Not to mention the play calling. When does calling running plays on three consecutive downs ever work. For a defensive coach he doesn't seem to have a good understanding on how to beat a defense. We need someone new!!!"
Sindrew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:00pm ET"Does anyone think Brett will come back to the Jets next year with the coaching we have?"
Mike CW Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:01pm ET"An add-on to some other observations of other teams. On offense, let's put in some young talent. Coles isn't producing. It seems like nobody is ever getting open. Put in Wallace wright, Brad Smith( not used any more), David Clowney, even the rookie Henry. The guys that want to try, and put 110% in. Offensive coordinator needs to change the offense. It is still the same after 13 weeks. "
JR Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:13pm ET"For some reason most of my comments don't make the cut...maybe too many "bad words". So....Mangini has got to join the team...standing on the sideline without emotion will not get it done. The cheerleaders add more than he does. Get a game plan...one that works. If somethings is not working it is ok to adjust it....duh! What happened to the secondary? Where did they go? Oh too far deep...got it!"
Drew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:20pm ET"I am just confused by the 3 man rush. I defended it when were up big but what does it provided if we give the QB 7 secs to throw the ball? 8 men in coverage and guys are still running wide open? I just dont understand what happened since the Tenn game. The D and O were clicking and now we look like a mess. Just a depressing day. I cant even argue with my favorite haters. "
Drew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:22pm ET"Besides the D looking like disorganized mess what is happening on offense. We have a great running game and we havent found a WR open in 2 weeks? "
Duaine Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:29pm ET"The Jets org. should start to court Bill Cowher from now.We need an identity, we are never taken seriously. Other 1st round picks come in and make a difference what hell is wrong with ours.All these rookies should prove themselves first before they get these big sign on bonus.I hope the Jets owner reads these blogs or soon he will not have any fans at the game to pay for the new stadium."
Fran'scan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:33pm ET"Sorry fellow fans but this one falls on Favre. Am sure shotty is not telling him to just "throw it up" on a wim and a prayre, you can always check down. Favre doesnt look the same since Tenn. and think he is getting tired now and am sure he wont be back next year. Still glad Penny is gone as he will never win a SB unless he has a ravens type D behind him. Ratliff, you are our only hope (for now).."
Troy Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:37pm ET"Yes the lack of aggression on D is killing them,but the god forsaken predictability on OFFense is whats destroying this team I think the players have lost all confidence in the playcalling knowing its not going to work,body language tells all,dont tell me DEN or SF have anywhere near the talent of this NYJ team that leaves only the coaching and gameplanning ,and lack of adjusting MID GAME, cont. ,"
Sam Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:38pm ET"MANGINI is a former db coach, so the JETS 2ND should b a SHUT down 2ND consdering MANGINI was a DB coach. Teams have ADJUSTED to the JETS OFFENSE and DEFENSIVE game. The JETS ability to REAL TIME in game ADJUSTMENT continues to be a PROBLEM. And the JETS SECONDARY continues to get PASSED on since MANGINI has been head coach! After 3 years the JETS secondary continues to give up big yards!"
Glen Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:39pm ET"We beat NE because this team has been built specifically to beat NE. We beat Tenn because our D is built to stop the run first. Tenn is run first, can't pass. We lost to NE because their strength plays to our weakness and our players were suffering from hypothermia. It's a miracle half the team didn't come down with pneumonia. SF has playoff talent, and now a playoff caliber head coach."
Troy Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:43pm ET"cont. what makes any of you think they'll win any of these 3 final games if this coaching staff doesnt make DRASTIC changes ,it's clear as day that when you lose to OAK ,SF, even DEN that your flat out getting OUTCOACHED,ITS heartwrenching to watch this collaspe again just like in some many other promising seasons,but this one is different we,ve never been this talented on ball sides of the ball "
Ken Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:46pm ET"FARVE arm looks tried! FARVE hasn't thrown a decent LONG ball since the beginning of the season. FARVE deep passes continue to be off. And FARVE it starting to MISS receivers more often. And the **(JETS SECONDARY)** continue to get PASSED on like it's ok. Mangini was a former DB coach with NE. The JETS SECONDARY should be much better by NOW, but they CONTINUE make the same MISTAKES!"
Troy Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:51pm ET"One more comment to back up my 2 previous post, Maybe Pennington wasn't the problem look what he's doing with Inferior talent in miami look at what favre did just last year with GB huge #'s and wins ,not blaming favre he's only doing what he's told which is to run bad plays that dont get are playmakers 87,89,81,or the never used 17 who can fly by the way,chad is glaring example of how bad staff is"
Glen Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:52pm ET"This Jets D is designed for teams that use the run to set up the pass. Consequently we're over sized at linebacker. Many teams today use the pass to set up the run. We need smaller, quicker linebackers who can pass cover if we're going to make a serious run at the playoffs."
Drew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:53pm ET"I will try to look at the bright side here. 3 weeks ago every Eagles fan was running Andy Reid and Mcnabb out of Philly. They turn around and rock the Cardinals and the Giants after horrible games prior.....so I'm not throwing the towel in. This is the same team that beat the Titans and Pats on the road recently. Something needs to be done quickly or everybodys nightmare will come true"
Glen Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 1:56pm ET"Running Mangini out of town won't improve things because those who are hostile toward him now will be just as hostile to any and all who replace him, regardless of their won-loss record. Mangini is an excellent head coach. This years team and it's players have set many team and personal records. Mangini stays. This Jets club has a very bright future ahead."
Levi in Spokane Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 2:02pm ET"Einstein's definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Wouldn't you agree this applies to our coaching staff?"
Ricky Tymm Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 2:16pm ET"That 3-4 defense is really getting a great pass rush! That formation works when you have linebackers that are versatile but this is not the case. Offensively, we look like a high school football team. dink dunk, favre never has enough time to throw. why did we get favre? so we can throw the ball 2 yards down the field? he only has one of the strongest arms in the league. open him back up!!!!!"
Positiveyds Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 2:18pm ET"You week to week Jet fans kill me. Just two weeks ago.....Mangini and staff were just the greatest thing. We were playing really good football.......good scheme, good execution, just good football. Everyone was applauding the new players that have been brought in.......folks even started talking about the Super Bowl. NOW, we need a new coach? You have got to be kidding me."
Fred Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 2:43pm ET"Man I don't understand all of you, like you could do better hah! Mangini should not be fired.. just because he is quite and his demeanor doesn't change... he is the byproduct of Belichek and nobody questions his ability to lead?! Maybe its Sutton's fault, I don't understand why they don't pressure more when it seems to be working when they do. Our pass defense is terrible b/c of the schemes"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 2:58pm ET"Frank, talk is cheap, I could care less about apologetic press conferences. I'll tell you what really Grinds My Gears,selective criticism, how do you know Brett was infallable in his play execution?He has to take as much of the blame as the WR's not getting open. He is not my goat of the game & I don't mean to single him out, but lets be fair here.The Jets laid an egg & the team better shape up."
Peter Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 2:59pm ET"I don't understand how the JETS can beat NE and the TITANS, and lose to the Broncos and the 49ERS? I think league has made ADJUSTMENTS to the JETS game plan. And now MANGINI and his coaching staff has to make ADJUSTMENTS to the leagues Adjustments to the JETS game."
Rick Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:04pm ET"The Jets lacked an offense on Sunday against the 49ers, just look at the passing stats. You have a big gun, use him! You need an aggressive short and long ball passing game to complement the running game. Take the hand cuffs off Brett Favre and let him win the remaining games."
OriginalJetFan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:04pm ET"What made the D look good was the Offense being on the field for 39-40 minutes. When offense sputters they cant hide a secondary starting an old Ty law, only with the team 2 weeks and out of Football for a yearand starting?, Lack of adaption is killing them, same thing every week beats them, It's COACHING or lack thereof."
Jack Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:08pm ET"I can't believe that the Jets defense only rushes 3 down line men. It is obvious that they cannot apply pressure or get to the quarterback. If you give the quarterback that much time it doesn't matter how many guys you have back, someone will get open.It makes sence to that it is not working. But coach Mangini is not going to change. He makes that know at every press conference."
CHEPS13 Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:17pm ET"I THINK ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS YES ,WE NEED FAVRE TO THROW THE BALL,BUT TO WHO ?IT IS REALLY SHOWING THIS YEAR THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A BIG TIME BIG PLAY RECIEVER WHICH MOST OF THE SO CALLED, ELITE TEAMS DO!LETS FACE IT J-CO@L-C ARE SOLID BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT BIG TIME SPEED OR HEIGHT.WE NEED TO GO BACK TO SMASH MOUTH IN YOURE FACE T-JONES MORE TOUCHES FOOTBALL!!!!!!!"
Frank Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:18pm ET"Drew your missing a key point Westbrook was hurt as a result Philly was floundering. Sorry but Mangini has had a healthy team for 3 years now and the results stink. I said after the Tenn. game I will not scream for a scalp until the end of the season. I'd really like to know what is going on inside it seems like the players have quit on him the last 2 weeks which coinsides with the Ellis mess."
Frank Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:27pm ET"Papa Mikey what really eats my crow is the fact that Mangini can't correct the defensive problems we have and motivate his team. We are 0-3 on the left coast vs. teams with a combined 13-26 record. Furthermore what really makes my gander rise is the fact the Easties are 14-9 vs. the left coast at the left coast and the left coast is 2-12 vs. the Easties in the east. Mangini ain't "giting r dun.""
John Muckenhirn Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:35pm ET"Cotchery and Coles, two catches for 15 yds? No rush on the QB two weeks in a row? How can we expect to get a "W"? Too many mistakes when we are playing mediocre ball! It just ain't going to work but it isn't over yet! Go, Jets!!"
Jared Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:42pm ET"You have the AFC leading rusher and you only give him the ball 10 times? When you run, you set the tone, control the clock and set up the pass. Why arent we doing that? Were so pass happy when were a team built to run. JUST RUN THE BALL! TJ is a beast, he gets better with more carries, I dont understand why this is so difficult to see.Brett cant throw the deep ball because D's know were pass happy"
Jared Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:45pm ET"Look at 4's best years. When the O was based around Ahman Green, D's played up and Brett was able to make big passes and pick em apart. Last year when Grant had a good year, Brett had one of his best years. Its not fair to put it all on his shoulders. You run first and then u can hit them with the big plays. Brett is great at play action but D's wont bite if u dont establish the run. RUN THE BALL"
Sindrew Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:48pm ET"I agree with Troy. Chad is proof of the inept coaching. I'll pulling for him and the Dolphins too but my heart overall is with Favre and the Jets. Management needs to convince Brett to return and get Brett to court Holmgren."
Rich in Florida Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:55pm ET"Ive been a J-E-T-S fan since the 1960's. My JETS have always lacked the killer attitude defensively of the Ravens, Raiders, Bears. Until their defense steps up another notch from the way they played against the Titans & Patriots, we will always be disappointed. Cmon, JETS, have some pride.We need the intensity of Cowart on the sidelines like Parcells had. CMON JETS !"
BobbyD Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 3:55pm ET"Keller, Clowney, Washington.......We need a few big plays to stretch the defenses. Favre has one of the best arms and we should use it. Create a spot for Clowney and lets let teams plan for all three guys at once. Clowney is our Santana Moss."
CD Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 4:36pm ET"It just goes to show that talent cannot win games alone. Some of the most untalented teams are winning now because they want it more. How bad do you want it Jets, ( including the coaching staff?) You need to figure out what it takes in every game to win and be willing to be flexible and make adjustments. Sticking to the game plan may not always be the answer. Take some chances, mix it up!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 4:43pm ET"The Colts & the Ravens have better records than us & control there destiny for the wild card the Jets are not going to back there way into the playoffs IT IS WIN OR GO HOME THE PLAYOFFS START TODAY FOR THE JETS IT IS 1 & DONE WIN OUT OR IT IS OVER !"
andrew oneill Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:05pm ET"I agree with bobbyd put clowney in. The jets have a great talent their and for some strange reason their not using it. This offense needs a spark."
sal Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:17pm ET"No halftime adjustments according to Harris, is it arrogence, or isanity, either way it may be the end of the line for this staff. surprized it was allowed to get to this point, had more faith in the coach, but arogence will kill you every time. lesson learned at the cost of a season with high hopes, and opourtunities"
Fred Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:20pm ET"Anybody see Coles' comments this week to Bay reporters...how he used to be the man? how favre is getting all the credit? how he leads the offense? i used to like Coles but after this not anymore... we don't need this on our team... i hope the rest of the offense doesn't think like this? I'm sorry but Coles isn't the speedy, all-catching icon he thinks he is"
Greg From Albany Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:26pm ET"This talk about getting rid of Mangini is premature. We still have 3 games to play and many posts talk as if the Jets were mathmatically out of the playoffs. The fact is the Jets are at the top of the division with 3 games to play. There is still time to right this ship, albeit limited time. A win in Buffalo will go a long way toward the "prognosticators" hopping right back on the band wagon. "
Ray Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:28pm ET"You can't compare Brett with the other teams qb and say he's getting outplayed. The other qb has over 6 seconds back there while other teams are getting pressure on Favre. And how is he supposed to get in any rhythm when the D can't get off the field? 2-1 time of possession. "
Russell Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:36pm ET"Randy, can I ask why is it that when the JETS blitz, why aren't OLB Pace and B.Thomas rushing the quarterback and ILB's like Harris, Spencer and Bowens dropping into pass coverage? I'm a big believer in running the football and Jones only had what 10 carries. He needs at least 25 carries a game. If Brad Smith ever laterals the ball again, he should be told to start walking home. Beat the Bills"
troy Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:38pm ET"Another Mangini Press conf. same old Crock, the only consistency I see is getting out coached with the same ole watered down gameplans everyweek by inferior teams(Tenn game was the only 1 that worked) how about were revert back to that one if it worked against that team that D in that stadium im pretty sure it would work against the niners and Den who by the way both had the #1 corners OUT "
sal Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:48pm ET"TS your right on, they wont get a wildcard spot, its the division or bust, Coles needs to clam up and get open , if he still can."
Carlito7 Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 5:48pm ET"Really......Are you so called Jet fans serious.....11 point difference and you still love us.....I didn't see any of these types of comments two weeks ago. Don't worry we go this....Just wanted to make this season alittle interesting. Keep the faith. " And The Home Of The JETS""
Scott Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:13pm ET"After Denver I told my friends the Jets won't win another game this season. It's the same old story. After 40 years of being a fan I've seen this script acted out too many times to actually believe they were going to make the playoffs much less win a division."
lockdown26 Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:20pm ET"if we do not make it into the playoffs or win our division when we have a record of 8-3, im sorry but mangini has to go. i have never seend a coach just sit on the sideline chewing his gum while his team was gettin out played by the 4-8 niners. The jets need a coach with a lot of fire in him, mangini shows no emotion at all, just rediculous"
eyeh8dapats Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 7:48pm ET"The 49ers did to the Jets what the Jets did to the titans. Pathedic! Jets lose this week it will be over count on it. The bills have a habit of sticking it to the Jets "And the home of the Jets fans who have seen this broken record before and have every right to put this team under a micro scope and have to pay psl fees next year" SOJ"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 8:22pm ET"Troy , there were 7 other game plans that worked.Frank, I refuse to defend Mangini this week, but I'll tell you what really burns my toast, we have no leaders stepping up & taking the heat off the squad. Mangini has 3 games to git r dun, or he could end up in Cleveland, again.I am rooting for this team hard, they need to play just as hard. I couldn't stand another rebuilding process,make this work"
Joe Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:24pm ET"No excuses, coaching staff has to go except Westhoff. As 1 of the few fans who stayed for the entire Denver game, I was disgusted to watch the same offensive strategy beat them again. Inability to be clutch and to adjust are the only things keeping the Jets from being the best in the AFC. They have shown that they can show up, but its impossible when you're consistently calling all the wrong plays"
sal Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 9:59pm ET"This aint good, according to sny D-backs ,Harris,are stating the coaches are not putting them in position to make plays. Rhodes had a chance, last game too. sitting back waitin for ball, like no one else is out there? randy if u can see if there is anything to these reports"
Platinumrings Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 10:47pm ET"Coles said that?? He doesn't seem to be playing hard anymore. he didn't even try to get the ball on the int. This is gonna be a serious problem."
Mike D Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 1:21am ET"I have to admit, I got sucked into the vortex. I never like to get my hopes up too much because this is what usually happens. My faith is on a respirator. I don't want to hear same old jets"
The Green Titan Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 3:52am ET"This loss is'nt about the players. They showed with the Titans/Patriots game that when given an effective strategy by the coaching staff that they could produce very effective results. What those players did then was not an accident. If you blindfold a Nascar driver it's inevitable he'll go into the wall. The coaching staff has blindfolded these players with their gameplan. "
Tom from New York in L.A. Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 4:53am ET"Mangini's done fine this year for who he is but the idea of him coaching vets like Favre, Coles, Woody, Jenkins and so on was always a little weird. If there's a "curse" on the Jets, it's favoring coaches like him over the real pros, going all the way back to the mid-70s when Hank Stram was ready to take the head coaching job but didn't because the Jets refused to give him a piece of the team."
Frank Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 10:09am ET"Mikey Mc I'm with ya'll on the last one."
TB77 Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:22am ET"Is everyone ready to watch Miami destroy San Fran! Mangini is a choke artist and that was just awful! I still cannot put it behind me! I agree with everyone out here id we don't make the playoffs Mangini must go! Where is the heart!!!! I just don't get it!!!!! "
Jetfan Larry Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 12:09pm ET"I have been a great fan of the jets for thirty years now. I see something in this team that I have not seen in a long time; something very good. What has been a disappointment has been the coaching. I must say that I try to not criticize when I am not priveleged to all the information, but football is something I understand very well. Woody Johnson --- Mangini is making terrible decisions!!"
Jim Said:
Tue, December 9, 2008 - 2:59pm ET"I see a striking similarity between the Jets and the stock market. A complete collapse. Boy I sure hope I need new glasses! Seriously, games are won/lost by playing them and not on speculation. I'm not going to speculate on the outcome of the remaining schedule, I'm just hopeful!"
mike Said:
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 1:45pm ET"Didn't the whole league realize that pass rushing is the key to beating the best teams. I guess the jets didn't watch last years superbowl. Another heartbreaking year as a jets fan. Bring in someone less stubborn to manage the D. Use the stars you have on D. Let guys like Revis, Rhodes, and Harris play like pro-bowlers and sack the damn QB."
Dave Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 1:20pm ET"Terrible play calling resulted in the time of possession. Coaches call the plays, so they are responsible for this. Same ole Jets playing up or down to the level of there compitition. I would like to see an entire game of PEDAL TO THE METAL. Aggressive play calling. Blitz, fake punts, deep vertical routes etc..... Mangini is terrible"
35 year fan Said:
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 2:47pm ET"It's not like the stock market . It's more like Shakespear . Everyone dies at the end . Coaches are fired, new coaches are hired for a day ,and then evacuate. Where's the loyalty ? Where's the love ? One day the jets will lift the Vince Lombardi at center field , and when that day comes it'll be beatifull ."
sickandtired Said:
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 11:44pm ET"Today the Jets lost to one of the worst teams in the NFL! I therefore ask this one question: how much longer can Jets fans continue to endure. With all the talent on this 2008 team, we still cannot dominate. Brett Favre coming to New York was one of the worst things that could have happend to us. "
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bob long time fan Said:
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 6:42am ET"the answer to the jets problems is simple. get rid of mangini and hire bill cowher. this team will never win under this guy. he has no passsion or resolve."
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