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File Under: Darrelle Revis, Eric Mangini, Laveranues Coles, Chris Baker, David Bowens, Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals, winless
10/07 — We went through something like this — but not quite like this — last season. This year's Jets playing a winless Cincinnati team on Sunday is not the same as playing then-winless Miami in Week 13 of 2007.
There's a lot more at stake for, both for the Jets and their opponents, this time.
And from my tour of the locker room Monday, the players understand the premise that the 0-5 Bengals are a different danger than last year's 0-11 'Fins. Here is a sampling of opinion in the Atlantic Health Training Center in response to the question: How do you avoid falling into the trap of thinking, "We're going up against the winless Bengals"?
CB Darrelle Revis: "Just don't go into the game saying they're 0-5. They're still a good team. They still have playmakers in Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and even [Chris] Henry is back. They've got a good receiving corps. The secondary, we've got to focus on those three guys and try to outplay them. ... We played against them last year. We know what kind of players they are, what they can do."
WR Laveranues Coles: “They’re just a scary team to play against whether they're 0-5 or 5-0 because they could just as well be 5-0 instead of 0-5. They’re a very good football team. You look at how explosive they are on offense with Chad and TJ. It’s not a game you look forward to. You have to respect them.”
LB David Bowens: "You focus on what they do well, the kind of team they are, the identity they're trying to portray. They say a wounded dog is always dangerous. Even when our record was bad last year, I didn't think we were a bad team, and I know those guys are competitors, they don't think they're bad. So you can expect them to do anything to try to turn this year around."
TE Chris Baker: "You can't worry about that. It's the NFL. Everybody has good players. Guys are getting paid, they're going to go perform. Everything else you can't really worry about. You've got to take care of business on your end."
It's true the Bengals have played three pretty good teams close on the road, losing at Baltimore in their season opener, 17-10, to the Super Bowl-champion Giants, 23-20 in overtime, and to the Cowboys this past Sunday by 31-22.
That's one reason the Jets should be fully prepared mentally for the Cinci challenge: Many of the players watched the late Sunday afternoon tussle at Texas Stadium as the Stripes scrapped to within 24-22 midway through the final period before the 'Pokes prevailed.
Another reason is last year's meeting to which Revis alluded. The 1-5 Jets may have thought they were in control of a healing road win when they took a 23-10 third-quarter lead over the 1-4 Bengals. Then Carson Palmer, Houshmandzadeh, backup RB Kenny Watson and CB Johnathan Joseph combined for four unanswered touchdowns and a 38-31 comeback.
And Baker provided a third reason for the Jets to be ready to charge out of their bye-week gate.
"To have a big victory like we did over the Cardinals going into the bye is big," said C-Bake. "And they're a good team that I don't think anybody really respected. I guess we caught them at the right time. They are a good team."
It was a big victory that brought this team together for the last two weeks. But it was only one win. The Jets will be in danger of squandering that good feeling if they're not ready for the Bengals.
As head coach Eric Mangini said Monday about his counterpart in this game, Marvin Lewis:
"I've known Marvin for years — I had the office across from him when he was the defensive coordinator in Baltimore. "He's a very good coach and he's very thorough. It hasn’t gone the way he would have liked it to go in the early part of the season. They have played tough teams extremely tough. One thing I'm sure of is that he's getting things corrected. He's working at those things. I have a lot of respect for him. I've known him for a long time and know how he works and prepares, so I anticipate a very well‑prepared team."
Sometimes it seems no matter how well you think you've prepared for one of those "trap" opponents, they still rise up and bite you. In franchise history the Jets/Titans have played 14 previous games against foes that had no wins after five or more games. Their record in those games is 9-5. Here is a list of those games:
| Season | Opponent (Record) | Final Score |
| 1962 | vs. OAKLAND (0-7) | Titans, 31-21 |
| 1969 | vs. BOSTON (0-6) | Jets, 23-17 |
| 1971 | at Buffalo (0-9) | Jets, 20-7 |
| 1974 | vs. BALTIMORE (0-5) | Colts, 35-20 |
| 1976 | vs. TAMPA BAY (0-9) | Jets, 34-0 |
| 1978 | vs. ST. LOUIS CARDS (0-7) | Jets, 23-10 |
| 1979 | at Baltimore (0-5) | Colts, 10-8 |
| 1980 | vs. NEW ORLEANS (0-14) | Saints, 21-20 |
| 1986 | vs. INDIANAPOLIS (0-10) | Jets, 31-16 |
| 1991 | at Indianapolis (0-7) | Jets, 17-6 |
| 1991 | vs. INDIANAPOLIS (0-9) | Colts, 28-27 |
| 1993 | vs. CINCINNATI (0-9) | Jets, 17-12 |
| 1995 | at Carolina (0-5) | Panthers, 26-15 |
| 2007 | at Miami (0-11) | Jets, 40-13 |
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (36)frank Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 7:16pm EDT"real simple, were at home, cinncinati stinks, BLOWOUT!!! this is a joke of a franchise. don't take them lightly,(with farve we won't) and its a BLOWOUT"
scjoe Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 7:28pm EDT"Forget 0-5, this team can score against anyone. Remember how many points were given up vs Arizona? You can't give up 35 and expect to win to many games. I sure hope they come out of the bye prepared, or else they will get beat."
BIG AL Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 7:42pm EDT"already preparing the fans for a loss what a joke no guts, jets better hope all the fat cat players are still hungry for wins after getting fed there big guarantee money deals,cause i have not seen anything special from the o-line and the d-line still giving up big gaines if they cant sweep the next 3 the jets will be a wild card joke"
BIG AL Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 7:56pm EDT"not to mention the jets spent 150+ million to buy the season and thats not working out to good thus far 1st qtr stocks are down but lets see the 2nd qtr all stocks down should be up cards game was great but i aint buying need to see more out of these guys love the jets they need to step up know everybody coaches and players"
Drew Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 8:39pm EDT"I am expecting a huge defensive showing this Sunday. Mangini will have this D ready after the bye week. He has been very good after bye's in 2 previous years as our coach. Confusing blitzes and causing turnovers should be expected. Maybe we can even have a Gholston showing in the next week or so?? Let's not forget Favre had 2 extra weeks to work with this offense. "
Ira Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 8:50pm EDT"Randy, Seems like the players are saying the right thing and they will be ready for the Bengals. This game won't come easy but the Jets will finally play a complete game and get the win. They will set themselves up for a nice run after this weeks win. Your chart i recall too many of those losses. This week will erase some of those. GO JETS!!!!"
Daniel Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 10:01pm EDT"cautiously optimistic. We have played well in spots....I would love an all around good game by this squad! Come on JETS!!!"
Xavion Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 10:12pm EDT"This Is a team that can score and produce We will need to control this game from the begining on the Ground. Our D will need to put pressure on Palmer I think we can overload their OL, I think Mangini Should get more hands on with the D, Use more wild Blitz formations Hell watch some SD, NE, MIA, Pitt, tapes of 3-4 blitzes, look at Philly schemes Get Creative on D we have great Talent on D"
Scott H Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 10:35pm EDT"Just to touch on the comment about the D-line... They are stopping the run remarkably in their first four games. They are 5th in the NFL in yds/game allowed on the ground and the longest run they have allowed is 21 yards. Unfortunately, the coverage in the secondary is quite the opposite."
TJMGold Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:23am EDT"According to the statistics, the Jets have an offense twice as good as the Bengals. Jets defense however, is barely behind the Bengals. Only stat we beat them on D is our rush yards aloud. (5th in the league compared to their 29th) Let's hope Mangini got the secondary defense to get their act together over the bye. If we can get that fixed, the Jets will be a hard team to beat."
Patrick from PA Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:53am EDT"I expect our D to be prepared and show some improvement against the pass and short yardage situations. Were doing well against the run overall. It's the pass defense that is creating these short third down situations. It would also be nice to see a 100-150yrd, 1-2 TD game from a Jet RB. Randy, when was the last time the Jets ran for over 200 yards as a team? "
Randy Lange Said:
"Patrick, the Jets' most recent 200-yard rushing game came in Week 7 of 2006 when they ran for 221 yards on 42 carries in the 31-24 win over Detroit."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 7:02am EDT"Two of the best defensive performances have been after the bye with wins vs the Pats and Steelers. I expect the same this week but this game i don't see any blowout. This will be a close game. Jets30 - Bengals 24."
hammer Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 7:04am EDT"Always scary when Jets have a winnable game in front of them....Just the way it is with this franchise..that being said, i DO think with a bye week and 2 weeks to prepare , they should have a good showing against the Bengals...I avre can just NOT throw that one big interception that he always seems prone toexpect the game will come down to turnovers...if Favre doesnt throw the pivotal INT..we win!"
Ira Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 8:37am EDT"That 06 game vs the Lions that Randy said was a game Leon went for 129 yds on 20 carries. I expect something very similar this week from Leon."
pete Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 10:26am EDT"i def think we can win this game.....cinci is desperate for a win n we arent goin 2 give it 2 them .....comin off a bye we r goin 2 c a well rested jets team"
Drew Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 10:42am EDT"Just heard that K Coleman re-worked his deal to give us some cap space. While there are plenty of Mangini bashers (most are ridiulous) Mr T has continually done a great job of signing draft choices,FA and managing the cap. Our cap was a huge mess after 05 and he fixed that in 1 year. This is just another example of how well he does his job. I wonder if were looking to pick somone up this yr?"
Larry Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 11:24am EDT"The games we are supposed to win scare me. We must have a higher% of losing to teams we should beat than anyone. Hopefully Mangini learned the secret to winning against the cards. Take no one for granted lose that ridiculous protect mentality he's been so fond of and dont let up. Theres no reason we shouldnt be 5-2 going into Buffalo."
bp Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 11:31am EDT"The jets's should keep winning til Buffalo. I think the Jets will also beat Buffalo though too. I don't they they're as good as their record IMO. PS, Why do none of the sites new videos work? Haven't been able to see conferences for a few days now."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 11:55am EDT"Drew, Mr. T does a very good job. he is always looking for players who could help improve this team. Last year he signed Elam,Clowney,Hunter, Brown,and Murrell all during the season. I really think Elam will play well this week and will challenge Smith for that starting spot."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 12:09pm EDT"T-R-A-P TRAP TRAP TRAP typical Jets to come out & under estimate the Bengals & lose this game. I am telling you right now the Bengals could put up 28 points on us in a heart beat the Jets better not sleep on this team they gave the G Men & the Boys a run for there money if the Jets are to be contenders they have to beat teams like the Bengals."
Rod77 Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 12:58pm EDT"we need to come out and win this game. we need to show what a good team we have become. this is a must win and so are the next 2 games. this d needs to come out like beasts. the running game needs to show up. we need at least 2 td's from the ground game. "
Jason Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 12:58pm EDT"Well, you better read the article again tom. They said nothing about underestimating them in fact they said the complete opposite. They said that they need to treat them as a good team and not underestimate them. You need to work on your comprehgending skills."
Dave Razzano Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:10pm EDT"I agree with Ira, Elam will do a good job. I belive that this team is just going to get better each week on all three facets of the game! HEY RANDY, great job with the posts! Any news on what they will choose to nickname the AHTC?I'm still pulling for my bid, THE HANGER ! J..E..T..S !!!"
Ray Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:14pm EDT"Oilers just beat the Chiefs on espn classic....Fire Mangini!!"
Hogan Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:28pm EDT"Please correct me if I'm wrong but seems to me the only reason the secondary looks bad is cause we take away the run, so teams pass way more than usual."
Wayne Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:44pm EDT"I was at that game in 1980 against the Aints as they were called. The Jets had Johnny "Lam'' Jones and there was talk of the Jets being a SB team. Once again they were a complete bust at was Lam Jones. There was one game when Pat Leahy was kicking for a Jets win and it hit the post straight on & came right back. Randy, was that opening day & do you recall who that was against?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Wayne, Pat Leahy's 32-yard field goal attempt to tie Baltimore at 17-all with 3:17 to play hit the left upright and bounced back and the Colts prevailed, 17-14, in the 1980 season opener at Shea Stadium."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 1:50pm EDT"Spicer, Right on! I get the same feeling . This is a trap game, coming off a bye , home vs. a winless team. The bengals have been close vs some good teams. The jets need to come out firing, make a statement. Frank you are on my list, its a different list though, I'd be honored to sit next to you in the coaches club, unfortunately I'm in section 330 row 21, way up there where the eagles fly."
Drew Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 3:13pm EDT"While Im not taking the Bengals lightly I would hardly consider this a trap game. The Bengals are a decent team with a good offense. The Jets know that plus they play a team in turmoil the following week in Oakland. This team is not looking ahead especially after a bye week. If the game is close late it's because of turnovers,penalties or the Bengals play lights out......3 things I dont expect!!"
frank Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 5:05pm EDT"Boy o boy, trust me on this game people and stop being so negative, as i stated in my comments yesterday, this game is not close, just relax and enjoy the blowout sunday, if its not i'll be back to eat crow, cinncinati's a disgrace (38 - 16)"
Row Said:
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 5:06pm EDT"I won't make a prediction till Thursday, but what I don't want to see is another Arizona game. The Bengals GM knew this would be a bad year, that's why they traded their best corner to the Pats. Coaching kept them in a few games, but I expect this one to be ugly. Palmer probably won't finish the game. I look to see us get ahead early, and struggle more with the running game. 85 will break out."
Ray Said:
Thu, October 9, 2008 - 4:28am EDT"Row what are you talking about? Deltha O'Neal was the Bengals best CB? Come back to the future, your stuck in 2005. Their best corner is Leon Hall, they wanted Revis but we traded up and took him. He's so bad the Bengals didn't trade him they released him because they knew they couldn't get squat for him."
Ray Said:
Thu, October 9, 2008 - 4:36am EDT"For those of you that love stats keep this in mind. Cincinnati is the 6th ranked pass defense. We have to establish the run. And to those that say not to worry, that is exactly why I'm worried. This is exactly the kind of game that the Jets have always blown over the years. Go Jets Tame the Tigers!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, October 9, 2008 - 8:53am EDT"Jason I read the story & I want to ask you this do you think they are going to say the Bengals are 0 & 5 we are going to beat them ? AND GET FINED BY THERE COACH NO THEY ARE NOT ! it is one thing to say it & another to go out and do it. Also comprehending is spelled like this comprehending not like this comprehgending THANK YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY."
AOKP Said:
Thu, October 9, 2008 - 11:43am EDT"whats up with gholston, is he even playing ball out there on the filed, we trying too hard to turn him into some kind of hybrid end/backer, instead of just lettin him play the position he's used too, i wanna see him on the filed more"
Row Said:
Thu, October 9, 2008 - 6:35pm EDT"Ray, O'neal did very well vs us week 2 and had a pick last week. "
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Jesse Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 7:00pm EDT"I highly doubt our boys are going to come off the bye week still sleep. They are going to come out ready to play.TJ and LW combined 220yds. 3TDs on the ground.BF 3TDs in the air and maybe 1 pick. The D 8 sacks and 2 picks. Randy, just heard on ESPN that on the power ranking Jets are #4 behind the Titans and before the Cowboys. When was the last time we had a # like that? Go Jets!!!"
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