Chatman Returns; Graham Released Again
Published: Mon, September 29, 2008 - 5:06pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Ben Graham, Will Montgomery, Jesse Chatman, Arizona Cardinals, Reggie Hodges
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09/29 — Head coach Eric Mangini had several housekeeping matters to discuss at the top of today's afternoon news conference. First on the list: Jesse Chatman's four-game NFL suspension is over.
"Jesse will be able to work through the week with an exemption," Mangini said. "Starting next week, we'll have to make some kind of decision in terms of the roster."
The coach also announced that veteran punter Ben Graham has been released for the second time in two weeks.
"When we signed Reggie Hodges, we liked him coming out and the things he did here," Mangini said. "Unfortunately, his early stages here and not being able to have an opportunity, we wanted to give him that opportunity and see how that is."
As for Graham's good net but lack of hang time in his two games since his first release, the coach said: "You always want to have the combination of hang time and distance."
OL Will Montgomery, waived when Graham was re-signed before the Chargers game, is back on the active roster. Also, WR Paul Raymond has been released from the practice squad.
As for Mangini's post-victory players of the game, the winners are: Offense — Brett Favre; Defense — Calvin Pace; Special Teams — Vernon Gholston ("Having four tackles was really a positive day for him"), and Practice Player — C.J. Mosley ("He did a great job of simulating Darnell Dockett for us").
Card Game Matters
Many fans were thrilled with the Jets' defense in the first half of their 56-35 win over Arizona on Sunday, not so thrilled with the "D" in the second half. Same with Mangini, who said in response to a question at his news conference that he was playing anything but a "prevent" to try to slow the Cards down.
"We knew they had used that personnel grouping quite a bit," Mangini said about the Cards' "10" package (one RB, no TEs) that put up 376 yards of offense and all 35 points in the second half alone. "Knowing that it was going to be a no-huddle situation, we felt really good about the fact that we'd spent a lot of time working on their 10 personnel.
"Whether it was zone blitzes with safeties, zone blitzes with two edge guys, zone blitzes with linebackers, dropping eight and playing three-deep, dropping eight and playing two-deep — we did all those things.
"You don't want to take anything away from Kurt Warner and the excellent receivers they have," the coach said. "But you've got to be able to execute more effectively than we did. ... It was a combination of us not executing well and them executing very well. We've got to get a lot better."
That's what bye week's are for.
Mangini was also asked about going for the two-point conversion with 1:54 left to make it a 21-point game. That call was also tied to the Cards' offense.
"They had pretty much walked up and down the field and scored at will," he said. "I remember at Cleveland, we were playing the Bengals in 1995. There was 1:04 left and they scored quickly, then they scored again to force overtime. Between fast strikes and onsides kicks, the way those things were going, I just made the decision to make it a three-touchdown came in order to tie rather than to win."
The coach also discussed the helmet-to-helmet collision between Jets S Eric Smith and Arizona WR Anquan Boldin at the goal line with 27 seconds to play. I'll have a news story about the hit, with comments from Mangini and Smith, up on the site shortly.
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Randy Lange Said:
"Row, flattery will get you nowhere."
Jake Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 5:58pm EDT"Hey Randy what do you think about Danny WAre being ARRESTED"
Randy Lange Said:
"Jake, I have no opinion on Danny Ware's arrest."
michael Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 6:12pm EDT"THE HIT ON BOLDIN WAS NOT ILLEGAL. HE WAS PUSHED INTO SMITH'S PATH. HE DEFENSE IN THE SECOND HALF WAS KIND OF SKETCHY. BUT OVERALL A VERY GOOD WIN. GO JETS!!!!!!"
Marker Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 6:21pm EDT"That Eric Smith hit was just unlucky. If Rhodes hadn't hit Boldin a split second before Smith, Boldin's head would not have been pushed into that position, Smith probably would have hit him somewhere in the chest and we wouldn't even be talking about it. Still: prayers go out to Boldin, hope he recovers."
Steve Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 7:08pm EDT"I think we have we have really good defensive personnel. I've never been impressed with Sutton as our defensive coordinator.How about Mangini taking on double duties as def coordinator and coach or hire a coordinator who's going to spark these guys ? They looked awesome in the 1st half they came out for the 2nd flat. the crowd was dead and so were they. Anybody agree ?"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 7:23pm EDT"Cont. Cards receiver said he was OK wanted to get up .. OK I agree .. If I was watching the same hit smith was laying on the ground also .. I understand its precautionary & rightly so ...Why didn't any 1 care to let smith stay down 4 the same reason take him to hospital both were ultimately the same injury concussions ....Randy can be kind enough to explain that 1... to me"
tom Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 7:27pm EDT"do we get an extra roster spot since smith is suspended?"
Randy Lange Said:
"tom, I believe so but I'm checking on it."
Jeremy Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 7:55pm EDT"Anytime you rush 2 and 3 guys the QB is going to find an open receiver b/c he has all day to scan the field. I've been calling SUTTON's name for over a year now and there is no reason I'll stop. I don't understand the D's playcalling. Congrats to Keller for his second TD, Revis on his PICK 6, & of course to Favre and LC for a great performance. Enjoy the bye!"
t.o. Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 8:05pm EDT"glad chatmans comin back. hes gota get some playing time. 3 rbs will do us good being that all 3 have alot to offer us. chatman makes plays happen where i feel others get shut down. as for the hit, thats just wrong.what u gonna tell me smith did it on purpose? gimme a break! it was coincidental and unfortunate but to punish a player just to have a scapegoat is cheap and insincere of the NFL"
Ira Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 8:15pm EDT"A Happy and Healthy New year to all. Hope Raymond doesn't sign anywhere else.Row, I was so impressed with Clowney just don't think there is room on the roster right now. Stuckey has that job and Smith and Wright are too good at ST's. BTW the Jets blitzed more in the 2nd half than the 1st. Hodges has a better hang time than Graham guess thats why Eric mentioned. Drew you are the General. GO JETS!!!"
Xavion Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 8:34pm EDT"I think the NFL is always out 2 get the Jets. I have seen more malicious hits & not seen a player get suspended. Im critical of E. Smith alot but in no way did he deserve a suspension for his hit I can see the NFL hitting him with a fine. But He didnt lead with his head his head was up and he led with his body Rhodes hit from behind snapped boldens head forward into Smith. Randy what do u think?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Xavion, I agree with the team's statement released tonight that is contained in the body of my news story on Eric Smith's $50K fine and one-game suspension."
Xavion Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 8:38pm EDT"Hey Randy You said curtis was in today, Did you get to sit down and Speak With him Pick his brain on the team and the big win yesterday? Does he still speak with Leon to help mentor him? What bout his plans to buy into an NFL team. Let him Know I have a few bux to buy in a small tiny piece Better Yet He and Brett are my Idols since can remember watching football, Please give them both my Email..."
Randy Lange Said:
"Xavion, I said hello to Curtis and asked if he had anything he wanted to talk about on or off the record. He said he'd think about it. We didn't talk more today but perhaps in the near future."
Bleed Green Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 9:16pm EDT"It's about time we had a game like that. other then our D giving up a lot of points in the 2nd half, I love the 4th and 1 on the 40 call, A 40 yard TD, its calls like that we are not used too. The jets have to do things like that every week if we want to get where we want to be. # 4 played awesome, I think i see the light, GO J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS"
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 11:24pm EDT"The Jets finally looked Nsync on the offense, Sutton has always been suspect to me but it was a matter of the Cards make better 2nd half adjustments than we did. Ira the timing & disguises of our blitzes were totally different, hence the lack of success, I'm still proud of our D, Good job Shotty, Lets build on this, we all know this team still has some growing to do."
TJMGold Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 11:30pm EDT"Well I'm glad Mangini has realized he needs to upgrade his punter, but we also need to do something with our FG situation. I would rather see the Jets go for it on 4th and down then to let Feely kick IF it's over 30 yds. I just don't want to see our season end because we missed a FG which should have been a gimme. I know Nugent should be back soon, but he also had 2 shockingly bad FG attempts."
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 11:34pm EDT"Frank, youre way too smart to talk so stupid. Mangini Defensive Genius? That term was only used for Marvin Lewis, He doesnt call the plays, my car wont start, should i blame Mangini too? Def. Cor. Must only get paid for holding clipboards. Just enjoy the win & hope they use the BYE to improve the mistakes."
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 11:42pm EDT"Still didnt answer my question, so you still want Coles off the team Frank?"
Jeremy Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 12:32am EDT"Horrible decision by the league to suspend E. Smith for that hit. Rhodes clearly hit him from behind which led to the helmet to helmet hit. If it weren't for the Rhodes hit Eric would have laid him out legally and end of story. How could you not take that into consideration. Whisenhunt should take a blame for that hit too! The game was completely out of reach and he put Boldin in that position!"
Frank W Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:21am EDT"Wouldn't a 4-3 defense be more effective? There is not enough pressure getting to the QB, causing more tosses for the secondary to take care of."
WI CAT LOVER Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 2:55am EDT"I am so happy for the Jets and their fans. It was great to see Brett with that famous smile again. GO JETS GO!!! But, I was surprised to learn that the Jets were playing in the Meadowlands, as I was thinking it was too bad that it wasn't a home game where the fans could go wild! You people need to make noise and let your team know that you love them. What a change for Favre on that kind of day."
Ray Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 3:49am EDT"Clowney was too impressive in the preseason to let him go. Too many teams would snap that guy up in a second, he will never make it to the PS. IR him if all else fails."
Ray Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 3:52am EDT"My bad about the D. I really thought they went into the soft prevent mode. I still think if we didn't go 3 and out on our first possession of the 2nd half it wouldn't have gotten so close. That led to the D being on the field for almost the entire 3rd qtr."
John Mack Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 3:52am EDT"Ooooh boy - Ben Graham cut again - bad mistake Mangini - I hope that this doesn't come back to bite the Jets in the bum - seems that unless you are a washed up retired QB nothing is certain in the NFL."
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:47am EDT"Ira....I'm honered to be called the General!!! I would think they keep Henry and cut A Carroll. We have a ton of DB's and Poteat makes plays. Carroll has not done much since preseason. With Chatman/Miller back we dont need another KR in Carroll. I knew they were going to give Smith a game (new policy) Smith's hit was magnified by the Rhodes hit from behind. Awful job by Whisenhunt in that spot"
mangold107 Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 9:03am EDT"Randy, do you have the Jets schedule for the bye week yet? I guess I am asking how much time off are they going to get??"
Randy Lange Said:
"We still don't have the schedule for the players yet, mangold107. They're definitely working today and Wednesday."
MikeMc Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 9:28am EDT"MiketheEX, the precautions weren't for a possible concussion they feared a broken neck.When your head is snapped in 1 direction(E.Smith)its not as vulnerable as quickly being snapped in 2 directions(Boldin).I don't think it was intentional but the fine was warranted.MikeEx your posts are very difficult to read,like latin, but you spell concussion correctly, how does that happen?No offense intended"
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:08am EDT"After watching the replay again I would love to know what our safety is supposed to do when a WR is coming into the middle to catch a TD.?He led with his face mask (not helmet) aiming at Boldin's chest. Rhodes knocks his head into Smith's path. Maybe Whisenhunt should care about getting off the field after being blownout with 20 secs left. "
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:12am EDT"Plus....The Cardinals were playing with an edge most of the game especially on defense in the 2nd. They went out of their way to go after Favre's ankle a few times and were playing after the wistle with TJ, Leon and Favre. I'm glad Boldin wasnt hurt but maybe Whisenhunt should take this as a lesson. Control your team from play dirty when your getting lit up and get off the field."
Raymond Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:22am EDT"the one game suspenson and fine are ridiculous. i understand the nfl needs to crackdown on player safety but that hit was far from intentional. kherry rhodes hit him from behind and forced boldins head in eric smith's. i think he should appeal it. if you lokk at the replay you can see that smith was leading with the shoulder and not the helmet. the helmet-to-helmet was completely incidental. "
MikeMc Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:00am EDT"Drew , I'm all for the rough play & retaliation but you never want to see anybody seriously hurt. I always say try to knock them out for the rest of the game( legal hits only) not the rest of the season.Smith did lead with his head, Rhodes did knock Boldin into Smith making the hit worse than it would have been.Smith should lead with his shoulder & knock the snot out of him.Expensive lesson."
bp Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:34am EDT"He really shouldn't of been on the field. I mean, there's less than two minutes left...you're down by 3 touchdowns and you have no timeouts. Why even force it? They should have stuck their backups in to get some experience."
sman Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:45am EDT"well im still happy wit da win"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 11:53am EDT"I have 2 say I'm flabbergasted.... Watched highlights yesterday ... Favre's footwork pinpoint accuracy laser throws & arm strength was truly poetry in motion. I Like Chad ..was my man g8 competitor big heart always had respect for his dedication.... So it hurts 2 say this Chad u will never be a Brett favre .....Good luck in Miami hope u have a long & properest career u deserve it"
ddh Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 12:04pm EDT"I understand this new policy, but not its enforcement, is kinda like a car wreck, you get hit from behind causing you to hit the vehicle in front of you, sure your liable, but should you be charged with reckless driving? look at the intention, if it was a delayed hit, I could agree, but blind enforcement is a can of worms waiting to get loose."
anthony Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 12:12pm EDT"I agree that the hit was defnitely not intentional. I think they should appeal this. And with Chatman coming back I think I would give him some carries. The guy is a beast and could definitely up our yards per carry if we use him. Tire the defenses out with him..and he might be a good goal line back.. But we will never know until they do it. He has looked good on pervious teams ..."
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:13pm EDT"In defense of Eric Smith....this might have been the 1st time he actually made a tackle."
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:16pm EDT"Excuse me guys for being MIA I had to catch my breath from laughing so hard. The usual crew Ira, Drew , Cedric, Mickey Mc and the rest just can't be included in any real football discussions the green smog is way to thick. So where do we start? Favre and Favre only is the reason we won 2 games if we had any other QB on the roster the team would be 0-4 right now. I am one of the very few who...."
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:24pm EDT"...who lobbied hard for Favre while the rest of you didn't want him. Secondly, while me ribs recover ya'll are screaming about the studs we have on defense. Well let's see we are 30th in Pts. allowed and Passing and ranked 24th overall in defense. It was embarrasssing watching the Cards run at will on the goal line. The defense can't stop anyone on third down, at the goal line or in short yardage"
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:28pm EDT"In short the defense stinks. An Cedric genius Mangini was a defensive guru under Little Bill he was the DB coach before coming the Defensive Cord. and the 3-4 is his scheme he brought to the Jets so yea he is responsible...got it?On offense we still can't run the ball and "TJ" Barlow can't score a TD on anyone other than the Phins. As for Coles I am so glad he finally decided to participate..."
Hogan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:29pm EDT"I was at game, couple notes. Saw Keller throw a nasty pass block on one of the coles completions. Happy to see Gholston getting time, he looked alittle better. On the Smith hit, When he left the ground he was aiming for Boldins midsection and leading with his pads. When Rhodes hit him he changed the angle."
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:33pm EDT"So Cedric As far as I'm concerned he is taking reps from someone else. Favre has made alot of recievers look good over his career. Maybe Coles learned something about being a pro and by watching Cotchery. In short Championships are won with defense and running the ball and we can't do neither so that does not bode well going forward. I've said this already I really enjoyed watching the last 2..."
Frank Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:39pm EDT"...weeks the games have been thoroughly entertaining I'd much rather watch this than what we are used to watching under Mangini. The 4th down call was great just what I said was caling for to be aggressive there is still along way to go and we'll see if Mangini can fix these problems the rest of the season will define who he is as an NFL coach. We have an easy schedule coming up...seize the moment"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:42pm EDT" Ray Ray again I digress , My point being on your analogy ... Yankees gave us fans many championships & titles 4 the money spent over the years... the jets gave us none in that time period that's was the point . So when u can admit your wrong & not spin it into what u perceive it 2 be ...then I can respect your opinion"
j tasson Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 1:58pm EDT"I AM ALSO A PACKERS FAN BUT NOW WOULD RATHER WATCH FAVRE PLAY FOR THE JETS AND HOPE THEY WIN. WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PACKERS AND JETS IN THE SUPER BOWL AND THE JETS WIN...."
Ray Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 2:28pm EDT"mike mike mike mike mike, when I am the one making the point and you change what I say, then it is YOU my friend that is putting a SPIN on things. MY point was money does not guarantee performance, period. And you wouldn't be so happy if that was YOUR money he spent on those few championships. Dan Snyder tries to buy Championships with Wash. how has that worked out? It's chemistry NOT money!!"
Row Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:29pm EDT"I will be the first to say it will be nice to see Elam start. I understand why Eric was enforcing speed to the ball last week. Drew, I like the comment on E. Smith. I just haven't seen why he is on the field. Chatman cannot change how we run, he will fight to dress. I am more interested in how we find a way to run, or whether we continue to pass 65/35 every game. Can we stop C. Johnson and Housh?"
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:44pm EDT"Lets get a couple of things straight Frank. You were not the only one pining for Chad to be removed. Favre played great on Sunday but those throws were wide open, Give Schott a little credit. We kill him every time he stinks.The defense can clearly stop the run unlike other years. Mangini is clearly not coaching "scared" as you put it last week. "
Drew Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 7:53pm EDT"You also PRAISED Ken Whisenhunt before the game. This guy coached the game like a high school coach. I thought of you as soon as we kicked the last FG right before half after another Warner TO and then when Boldin got laid out...great call there buddy. Just imagine if Mangini made those calls!! You also called out Pace. Overpriced?? You talk about football knowledge and then fail to provide any."
mike ex jet fan Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 8:23pm EDT"Ray & Mickey MC ganging up on me very impressive finally showing some fire are U... lol ... Frank & wayne will be interested to hear that I'm sure"
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:18pm EDT"Nice Post Drew, Frank u sound like you should put in your resume for GM, but umm, all the moves that have gone right for the Jets, they did, not you, so how about u give them the credit. All the positives u actually give yourself credit for, strange, but the negatives u give all to the Jets."
Paul M Said:
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 10:56pm EDT"Now that Chatman is back in the fold I hope he gives what the offense is so despertly needs. A better running game then what they have had for the first four games. Thomas Jones claimed it was Chads weak arm that kept them from opening up a strong rushing attack well now that Farve is in town Jones hasn't done squat. In fact I don't think Jones is really the number one back on the team. "
Ray Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 3:16am EDT"mike ex jet, your not being ganged up on unless we are both piling on with the same argument. My bad using the Yankees in my analogy, because your apparently a Yankee fan so my point got lost when I was just using them as an example. So I thought maybe the Redskins work better for you, the point is still the same. MikeMc has a problem with how you write, different subject, I have no comment."
Frank Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 9:55am EDT"Drew you are ranting like a spoiled child. Pace is a pass rusher and nothing else the pass defense is atrocious the LB's in a 3-4 are supposed to be able to cover someone. The run defense stinks in short yardage and at the goaline exactly where it counts the most. This is Ted Cotrell all over again three years into this and the defense still has no identity. Favre is saving the Jets and Mangini. "
mike ex jet fan Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 10:57am EDT"WoW... Ray has no comment thats a 1st"
mike ex jet fan Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 11:14am EDT"Will refrain With my Mangini ..schotty bashing willing to go along with u optimists .. After the bye & works out the kinks wins the games we should & a couple u think he shouldn't then & only then can I jump on your bandwagon until then my nativity on our coaching remains"
CEDRIC Said:
Wed, October 1, 2008 - 2:19pm EDT"Frank, the bottom line is this, the D isnt as bad as your making it sound, but it isnt as good as some people think. Its not the personnel, its the playcalling, you never liked the 3-4, now we have the pieces you'll find something else wrong. The problem is and has always Been Sutton check the stats since he's been here. If Mangini was the Genius then he wouldve taking over the D palycallin."
Nick Said:
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 12:07pm EDT"Folks, The Jets will never win with Mangini...(4) games into this season + 150M invested and this is the sloppy product we see on the field..c'mon the guy was suppose to be a defense guru. In the last (4) years his defense can't rank with any of the league top 10.Why do we think thinks will get better..don't be fooled with 2-2 record and Brett's (6) TD's this team does not have the heart to win!"
Rod Said:
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 11:48pm EDT"BEN GRAHAM ROCKS, YOUR MAD IF YOU CUT HIM LOOSE. I HEARD THAT THE NY GIANTS WILL SNAP HIM UP IF THE JETS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO LOOSE A GREAT PUNTER.:)"
Scott S Said:
Sat, October 4, 2008 - 3:23am EDT"Mangini was lucky two years ago. Now he is nothing but a second rate coach, who tries to solely emulate the Patriots. If this season is a failure (and it probably will be) time to dispose of him and get a coach who has proven he wins. (Personally I would like Brian Billick, but that is my opinion) One bright spot I have noticed is the solid play of Dustin Keller. Good draft pick up."
Rick Said:
Sat, October 4, 2008 - 4:31pm EDT"Jets are ranked 5th against the run out of the whole NFL, 4th in sacks, and 6th in interceptions. So I guess they can rank somewhere in the top 10 in defensive cattegories. Lay off the man. Give him sometime to make a team."
bob morgan Said:
Sun, October 5, 2008 - 5:20am EDT"What about bringing JOE SMITH back I think he would fit in very well with the organization"
Paul Said:
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 3:41pm EDT"Eric Mangini is doing a pretty good job with the Jets and I agree with you Rick. As for the other Guy who posted a comment, He must be a patriots Fan Go figure. Go Gang Green!!!"
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Row Said:
Mon, September 29, 2008 - 5:29pm EDT"Randy, you never cease to amaze me, I was expecting this article. You're always on the ball. Looks like Henry is the next cut. I am eager to see whether Clowney gets into the offense or we see more of Stuckey who has found ways to get open. If you find anything new with Miller and Clowney, please let us know. I barely know anyone who is as in touch with the rosters as Jet's fans. Go Jets"
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