'I Thought It Was Going to Be Different'
Published: Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:28pm ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Shaun Ellis, Jerricho Cotchery, Laveranues Coles, Kerry Rhodes, Leon Washington, Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Matt Cassel, Brett Favre, Calvin Pace
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09/14 — Shaun Ellis was, like the rest of his teammates after this home opener, disappointed. And he has more reason than others to be dejected. The defensive captain has been around for every one of the eight consecutive New England wins in his home stadium.
"We knew this was going to be a close game," Ellis said. "I thought it was going to be different this time."
The Jets' 19-10 loss had that kind of deflating effect on everyone in the locker room. It was ludicrous to think New England wouldn't be tough even with Matt Cassel at quarterback rather than Tom Brady. But there was a feeling that with these Jets on the ascendance and with the Patriots reeling just a tiny bit, maybe the Meadowlands tide had turned.
"It was a tough loss for us," safety Kerry Rhodes said at the interview room podium. "We were definitely a confident team coming in. Cassel didn't lose the game, that's what it was."
Cassel's play was certainly one of the things that made the difference. Even though there was a stretch of the game, from the Pats' last series of the first half through the first two series of the second half, where the Jets hit him four times and sacked him three of those times, he played within himself. He and the Pats didn't turn over the ball once.
"We tried to get pressure," Ellis said, "and we started to get too much pressure so they went back to the quick stuff."
The quick stuff also hurt. Wes Welker had seven catches, three for first downs. With Laurence Maroney sidelined with a midgame shoulder injury, Kevin Faulk (three first downs) and Sammy Morris (two firsts) moved the ball and the chains. When the Jets defense tried to address the short game with their nickel, the Pats salted things away with one-time Curtis Martin backup LaMont Jordan muscling for 62 second-half rushing yards and four firsts.
On the offense, there were moments of brilliance from Brett Favre, Thomas Jones, Laveranues Coles, Chansi Stuckey and Leon Washington, but not enough to counteract the still brawny New England defense.
Thomas Jones was stoned on three straight running plays from the Patriots 3 or closer, forcing the hosts to settle for three points instead of seven in the second frame. And Favre, perhaps feeling the magic after converting a third-and-22 on a BF laser to Stuckey, then threw a similar ball toward TE Chris Baker, only this time S Brandon Meriweather stepped in front for the pick to set up the Pats' only TD drive. Seven points instead of zero.
"I just underthrew him," Favre said, honest as always. "I just made a bad throw. I'd like to tell you something different, but it was a bad throw."
That's 11 points right there, enough to have bumped off the Patriots on this day, had the Jets made the plays to produce them.
"Every opportunity you get to make a play against these guys," said WR Jerricho Cotchery, "if you don't, then they take advantage of it."
That was never truer than on special teams, where the Patriots won a huge victory in field position. Stephen Gostkowski had a monster day, hitting all four of his field goals but also putting all six of his kickoffs into the end zone, five of which were unreturnable.
"Early in the season, kickers' legs are fresh and they can put the ball back there," said Washington, who had only one kickoff return for 24 yards. "On special teams they really blocked us up."
Ben Graham and the Jets' punt cover team struggled with a 27.3-yard net on four punts, while Chris Hanson and the Pats' cover unit didn't allow a return on three punts.
Put that all together and the Jets' average drive start was their 21 while the Patriots' position was twice as good, their 42.
"It's hard going there, when they're playing with a short field," said LB Calvin Pace, "but that being said, I think we did a good job holding them to field goals."
That's the thing that can get lost in a game like this, which came with all the expectations, the full stadium, the thought of finally ending this schneid to the players who live several hours up I-95 and put their game pants on one leg at a time.
Fans can and will be upset that Cassel wasn't harassed more, that the offense bogged down, that calls went the visitors' way and not to the hosts. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water. The Jets showed too many good things all summer and into the season opener.
"I think we, as a team, should see there's a lot of room for improvement," said Favre, "but we're not far off. When we will turn that corner, I have no idea. ... We had the opportunities. We just have to find a way to clean up some of the mistakes we made, and each person, starting with me, has to find a way to make one or two more plays that are there. It's not like we have to find those plays — those plays were there for us."
And against the team, minus a very big part, that suffered its only loss in Super Bowl XLII. Get down if you will, but get up in time for next week's game, and the one after that, and the one after that. LB Eric Barton said head coach Eric Mangini told the Jets:
"Keep your head up and move forward. It's Week 2 of the season, not the end of the world. Let's go back to work tomorrow."
The 0-2 Chargers in San Diego will be waiting a week from Monday night. No better place than the balmy breezes of the West Coast, no better time than in prime time to start to show people you're turning the corner.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (188)Drew Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:45pm ET"27.3 yrds per punt for Graham tells a huge story The Favre pick hurt, the missed FG hurt, and yes the play calling was suspect at times. The Pats played on a short field most of the game and we had to go 80 on every drive. Nobody was more disgusted than I during the game but here are the facts. We are 1-1 and need to be at least 2-2 before our bye week. Farve will get better and the D is improved"
Robert From H.P. Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:47pm ET"I was at the game. It was evident that we were out-coached from the onset. When will Mangini realize he has Farve as QB and not Pennington. The play calling and adjustments were ridiculous. You play from strength and not not weakness. Unshackle Farve!!!"
wisconsinite Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:47pm ET"I would hope the Mangenius will learn that on the goal line the ball needs to be in Favre's hands. That will be the way to win ballgames"
BIG AL Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:58pm ET"this man-genious as all the jets fools call him ar delerious he will not win because he does not have what it takes and they need to get rid of coles while he still has some trade value these 2 are killing the jets and if you cant see through it you are all sheeps i love the jets and will bleed for them as i do but they are nothing and you will hear it on all networks i have said my peace "
Ira Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:59pm ET"Randy, I am very disappointed with todays loss. Eight years is too many times. The game changed in the 3rd QT after those 3 penalties and Favre's INT then a short punt from Graham and thats where the 10 points came from. The Jets shot themselves in the foot with too many mistakes and penalties. But like you said a lot of positives in this loss. The D played well until they wore down in the 4th."
Donna Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:59pm ET"I know we are disappointed, but this IS only the 2nd game. I am here in WI, listening to the roar of Aaron Rogers winning the 2nd game against Detroit. However, I realize that the Pats are a tougher team and 19 to 10 is not 48 to 25. I am not into blaming, but learning from the weaknesses. We have the next game to look forward to! Go Jets!!!"
Ira Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:03pm ET"Stuckey, Pace, Jenkins and Revis played very well. Keller needs to get more involved and Baker too. 1st time the Pats have shut down J-Co. Well no time to dwell on this loss. There are 14 games to go and the Jets will bounce right back. The stats for this game were basically even. Problem you can't make mistakes against a great team like the Pats and expect to win."
Ira Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:04pm ET"Randy, Would you know what the record is for most consecutive losses are for any team at home against the same opponent?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Ira, I don't know what the record is, but I do know that the longest current streaks are eight home losses in a row to the same division opponent -- Jets against New England and Cleveland vs. Pittsburgh."
TomKandora Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:09pm ET"The Jets offense was too predictible, The Patriots were confident yesterday saying "we've seen this all before" . Time too think outside the box, instead of smashmouth at the goal line , resulting in 0 yards in 3 running plays. Maybe the offensive coordinator could harness Bret's ability better, with quick passes and then use running second..."
Green fist from FL Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:09pm ET"Calm down JC. Mangini is still an awesome coach. True, we may have been outcoached this game by a little, but this one lies mostly on the shoulders of the players. Too many mental mistakes and poor play. "
BIG AL Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:12pm ET"hey drew whos mouth is shut now ??????? what the hell was that the jets stunk it up mind you 2 bad call 1 on stuckey for the huge 1st down and possible score and 2 the cheap roughing the passer call on matt cassel for 15 1st and goal but the jets stink playoffs did you say playoffs playoffs playoffs get the hell out a here"
Damone Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:13pm ET"The Patroits are NOT a better team than we are and we proved that today.We did everything better than them BUT how did we not stop the draw plays and our O-line better get that much better.Our coaches got their butt whipped today by Belichick and Randy please tell Eric i said it!!"
Alexander Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:20pm ET"Hey Randy, we really hurt ourselves with penalties today. How many penalties did we have and for how many yards? And special teams were gross today (usually our strong point). Of course the Patriots would win with that field postion! Any team would. And about getting rid of Mangini, it won't happen. Schotty will go before Mangini goes. "
Randy Lange Said:
"Alexander, the Jets had six penalties walked off against them for 60 yards, while the Patriots had two penalties for 10 yards (with the second flag coming on the kneeldown at the end of the game)."
Nic Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:23pm ET"Very discouraging, that's all I can say about today's loss. I can't believe we lost to the Pats with Matt Cassel starting at QB. I'm still scratching my head about this one. I don't know what it is, but the loss today really stung extra. We better think about a new plan here for moving this team forward."
Greg A Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:26pm ET"Okay JC Edwards, Eric Mangini is a great coach and you're an idot if u think otherwise, we just had a bad game with too many penalties, which Eric is going to penalize them for doing and get them on the right track for the Chargers next Monday, you'll see!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:26pm ET"Same old Jets nothing has changed the play calling is bad we run these screens or 5 yards passes why did we trade for Favre we might as well still have our 3rd round pick & Chad YOU HAVE FAVRE THROW THE BALL MORE THAN 5 YARDS you have 1st & goal at the 3 & 3 plays in a row you run it & get nothing WE HAVE 4 1ST ROUND PICKS ON THE LINE HOW COULD WE NOT GET 3 YARDS ! & AFTER GETTING STUFFED 2 TIMES "
Damone Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:30pm ET"Can you guys please STOP letting the Pat fans run their mouth on the radar!!"
JP Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:30pm ET"Classy guy, that Favre, and honest...and taking the brunt. one thing is true..."the plays were there" as Favre stated, but not in the huddle. The Conservative play calling was horrific. - It seemd as though many plays were quelled by the Pat D and Brett was forced to make something happen. It is true that we have a chance to be 3-1 before the bye, but the Coaches need to wake up or get out!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:32pm ET"YOU THINK THEY WOULD THROW THE BALL ! the play calling is pop warner & the D we still can not stop the run & the Pats run that same screen pass to Welker or to Faulk & the Jets still do not stop it we have played 2 bad games so far I think we are in for a long season . We can not stop the pass or the run & the play calling is a joke & every call went against us did the Pats have 1 penalty at all?"
DUNNIE Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:38pm ET"Horrible Special Teams = Loss. We need to fire O'Dea if it continues !"
Dom Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:39pm ET"give the ball to leon more he had 2 rushes for twenty give him a chance to make runs up middle and outside he has great vision and can find the holes hes a lil small but elusive "
scjoe Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:40pm ET"I thought the Jets did today, what the Pats hardly ever do, and that is beat yourself. I know it sounds like sour grapes, but you take away the INT, the missed FG, the worse penalties at the worse possible times, the bad punting, and the clock mis management, and it could have been a different game! Easier said then done! Right?"
razmataz Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:40pm ET" I feel the pieces are in place, Farve still learning playbook/team, the OL/DL still need to gell. The Jets did everything to lose this game right from coaching/playcalling/special teams in particular, stupid penalties,batted balls caught by NE, Off. pass interference on 2 guys battling for a ball, evry kickoff in the end zone, missed FG again, terrible punts, ruff the QB, Coles drops 2.wel be ok"
Drew Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:49pm ET"Big AL??? Why would my mouth be shut after today's game?? You have explained in 3 posts already that the Jets had bad calls against then and your asking me who mouth is shut?? Wish I can help you buddy but Im lost with your post"
Drew Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:54pm ET"Listen Jet fans...take a deep breath and calm down. Enough with the Favre haters and the Mangini haters. They had a short field all day....our defense was beat by the 4th and the Pats threw a fresh L Jordan in the game. The Pats are a good team for a reason. The key to their win today was special teams. They dominated us in every area on specials. We didnt return a punt or a meaninful kick all day"
Charles DiComo Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 10:55pm ET"Guys, We have the talent but need to improve our overall CHEMISTRY. Offense needs to move the ball better. I love Farve but our receivers need to be closer to him and the game plan needs to be better. We have the talent but need to find a better way to apply it. We need to improve in all areas. Go JETS!"
Steve Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:01pm ET" I realize I'm no expert on play calling but it seems New England knows all our plays and I even heard a defensive player say that. I thought we would see a lot more of Dustin Keller and Brad Smith is he injured ? I realize Farve is still learning the playboook butt hat play calling was so vanilla against a team like New England that knows us very well. I still don't understand that offensive inte"
Christopher Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:01pm ET"Ben Graham has to go. The offensive play calling was horrible. The Jets looked very disorganized and not very well prepared. This coulda been a victory, add the field goal, take away the td after the turnover ,and it coulda been 13-12 Jets. The game plan was horrible and cost us the game, that Ben Graham's punting, and penalties. Was the Patriots game plan really that unpredictable? Same Ole Jets"
Scooter Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:02pm ET"Poor coaching cost us the game. How many 12 men on the field situations? Nice play calling with 3 runs on 1st and goal. Poor field position cost us the game. Nice punting Mr. Graham. What's going on with our special teams? Mike Westhoff needs to hit guys with his cane and wake them up! AND...Jenn Sterger's gotta go! What a waste of screen time! Not 1 out of town highlight package today!"
kchekov Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:07pm ET"what was the offensive cord. thinking, let farve play not chain him down. he will make mistakes but we need to let our play makers play. Plus, was the wide receivers lazy today or what. Our defense did not play the run well. we need to address the kicking game period. also the penalties are killing us. they will need to get better if they are going to beat sd chargers."
Ray Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:12pm ET"BIG AL, congratulations! Your the worst "die hard" Jets fan I have seen yet. Your just a band wagon jumper, if they pull it together and go on a run you'll be in here telling everyone how you "knew they were a good team" You said your piece twice, now go hop on a different band wagon. If you supposedly bleed for them you don't give up in WEEK 2!!!!!"
Steve Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:13pm ET"I didnt get to finish my last post. Still don't understand that offensive pass interference on Cotchery looked like both guys were going for the ball which I thought in that case Cotchery made a great play. Am I wrong Randy ?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Steve, I thought in watching the replay that Cotchery didn't interfere, but that was not the call on the field."
Bill Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:27pm ET"Thank God Bretts gone and the Packers have a better QB. A-Rod kicked some butt for the Pack again and once again Brett was the Goat! Brett is no Savior, he might have a few good plays but as always he throws boneheaded interceptions. Get used to more of this from Broadway Brett!"
Fred Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:30pm ET"We lost this game ourselves, the Patriots didn't beat us... They just didn't make any mistakes and we made plenty.... WHO said FEELY was an upgrade?!?!?! a joke... that kick and poor poor Punting screwed us... the INT was a mistake but wasn't the complete game"
ghostphace Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:04am ET"i agree with jp... to add the patriots did not beat us to day... we beat ourselves. the plays were there. the penalties hurt us alot which took away from drives we could of scored on... the jets should of won 28-12!!! playing calling needs to improve but favre is still learning this offense so we must wait for progress. defense played a solid game to day. only giving up 1 TD. "
nick Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:14am ET"maybe we could stop a draw play or a screen pass one of these days....that team didnt throw a ball over 8 yards and they still beat us.......and the D couldnt stop em when the money was on the line........and can we possibly get a punter that can kick it further than 30 yards....he killed us once again...same with our kicker"
BigEd Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:02am ET"Same old Jets. Just like under Herm...Afraid to do anything."
Jeremy Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:04am ET"Poor execution.Stupid Penalties.Horrible Special Teams. Losing Westhoff, arguably the best ST coach ever really hurt. Maybe Westhoff will return soon? Any news of his rehab/status would be nice! Playcalling is pathetic. Can't stop screen passes-again. Keep calling the same plays that don't work. Shotty is so predictable. What's the deal w/ Pats fan on here? Best 18-1 Team in history, haha!"
ARTHUR CLARY Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:44am ET"I feel that Mangenius was outcoached again by his old mentor. I can't believe how many times they had 2nd or 3rd and long and they deployed the delayed handoff time after time after time. It was almost like we didn't expect to see that play. They have run that play down our throat for the past 8 years and we never seem to be prepared for it. Way to conservative on 1st and goal at the three."
Ray Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:14am ET"Steve, I think on the offensive pass interference call you have to try and see it from the ref's angle. I didn't think it was interference either. I thought the db was going down on his own. But if you look at where the ref was, I think to him it looked like JC gave him a shove. I don't think his "shove" had anything to do with it, but I understand how it might have looked that way to the ref."
Tony Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:48am ET"I am sorry that was on the worst coached games I ever seen .Does the head coach know who is the QB I think he needs let Brett be Brett no offence to Chad but cmon 3 times you run the ball on the goal line and cant score .Brett knows Eric is the head coach but Brett know show to win bottom line. Hey coach wake up before its to late .........."
ddh Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:08am ET"what I dont understand is how they can look so good on one drive and on the next its three and out, most teams find a rhythm, their always in fits and starts. The plays being called dont seem to compliment each other, add in all the other problems, and instead of music we have noise, like an orchestra whose conductor has no sense of timing."
mick Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:10am ET"Don't know who is smiling more...the Packers hierarchy or the Pats....who both knew and know that Brett's got very little left in the tank. Never during the game did anyone with any football knowledge think the Jets would win, never! Sad fact for us Jets fans is we are staring at another 6-10 season, maybe 8-8 if Mangini just quits. How many times will we have to endure 12 men on the field agai"
aaron Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:22am ET"brady-less patriots came to our home and still able to beat us...so much for mr manginious n his team, so wots new?? to all those jets fans, who're thinkin about goin to superbowl or goin deep in playoffs... heres lil news for ya "get down ur high horses"... its same ol jets folks...and yet another season of pain n suffering n embarrasment...MARK MY WORDS.. JETS NOT EVEN GONNA MAKE TO PLAYOFFS"
PatsWinAgain Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:56am ET"HAHAHA we beat you WITHOUT Brady....Jets are a disgrace...You go out and convince a washed up Favre...looks like a team desperate to make something happen in one year to me...WE WIN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:31am ET"So there it is,Mr. Graham the punter who cant kick an emergency PAT almost lost his job last year but is still on our team this year.We had to lose a young ILB with nice potential to get a terrible backup kicker to back up our even WORSE starting kicker.Oh Great Westoff please correct this.Ive been calling for Graham's head since last year.Please replace these kickers,PLEASE! "
uncle joe Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:38am ET"Coles is either too old,hurt or has no interest in seeing Farve succeed hear.Whatever the case may be,his getting what 6 mil garrenteed?Send him to Miami for a 4th rounder.Stuckey can play.I know he gets hurt but we have some nice WRs.And wait till Clowney comes back.Coles is killing us.Hes such a downer and you can see Farve afraid to throw it to him.NE took J-Co out of the game."
uncle joe's ON THE BRIGHT SIDE Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:45am ET"On the Bright Side we will have a #1 pick next year,probably a #2 also.Plus alot of #4s because of Kendal,Vilma and Robertson(and maybe Coles).PULS Bryan Thomas Has THREE SACKS ALREADY.Hes Back Baby!"
Ira Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:55am ET"Everybody here can blame the coaches, the playcalling,too conservative and so on. The bottom line is when you play against a great team like the Pats you can't expect to make the mistakes the Jets did and win. Also with the Jets starting their drives at the 21 and the Pats at their 42 all day didn't help. Field position was big yesterday."
Rick Roucoulet Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 7:23am ET""THEY DIDNT BEAT US, WE BEAT OURSELVES?" What the heck does that mean? Cant you say that w/every game? Cassel played like FARVE should (Vet) & FARVE played like Cassel should (Inexperienced)-Just so many things w/penalties, kicking & basic stuff like being aware of the time clock - WE GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US-I know its early but i firmly believe its done w/the young, NOT vets."
Pranit Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 7:29am ET"I agree with everyone who thing Mangini is uncovered; with so many good players a good coach will easily turn the jets. But not mangini. He can talk intelligently, flutter his eyes (while talking -- as if he knows all) but dissapoints with calls and decisions on the field. There's more grief as Mr. Woody has promised mangini another yr. Bill Cowher still out there?. "
BIG AL Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 7:43am ET"the point i was trying to make drew is that i read all the glory sentences from the posts about the jets this and the jets that but not to get to deep they just dissapointed and RAY i was born and breed in BROOKLYN and love the jets the BROOKLYN way tough love thats all it is bandwagon is not even in my vocabulary sorry pal if i upset you guys again just dissapointed"
McNasty Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 7:54am ET"Sounds to me like the same unrealistic expectation for the San Diego game is starting as well. Folks, the Jets are a long shot to win next game too."
frank Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 7:57am ET"i hav to say, if it was'nt for all the mistakes we made we should hav won the game. the kicker is for one who hurt us by missing a easy field goal, so we lost three off the back ; it should hav been 6 up in half time. Our DF hav to work a little bit harder stopping the run, besides that im happy with the DF and our OF of line, if once they geil they are going to be a line to be racken with. "
Gee Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 7:58am ET"If we do not open up our offense we will be in for a long season. It is not fair to Favre or the fans to be running a pop warner type offense. Our defense played outstanding limiting Moss to 2 receptions and we still lose. How many times are we going to give up yards on screens to the receivers and backs."
Steve Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:04am ET"I still feel we have a much better team than previous years now lets get the coaches to instill some confidence in themselves and the players. Looks like Gholston has become a ghost, but I see a lot of positives to take from this game and we WILL beat this team the next time we play in that stadium named after a razor company. C'mon back Chatman and Clowney but will they use them is the ??"
Jesse Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:11am ET"We lost one game, get over it! The Pats haven't been winning the division for the last couple of yrs. for no reason. They didn't beat us, we beat ourselves! Too many penalties and missed opportunities, but I do agree they need to get D.Keller in the mix more! Moving on to week 3!"
Russell Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:16am ET"Jay Feely missing a field goal. First and goal from the 3 and the Jets settle for a field goal. The defense not coming up big when the Jets closed the score to 16-10. Leon Washington blocking Adalius Thomas, great matchup. Ben Graham, his usual stellar job punting in the clutch. All those things make me want to run right out and pay for a PSL and tickets to watch this team in person."
Timothy Varney Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:48am ET"Good job Mangini. You get the ball at the end of the first half and you just run out the clock. You have probably the best QB ever with less the two minutes and you just give up on the pass and run out the clock. And then you try to stick it to the Pats by running three times in a row when you end zone is 3 yards away. Maybe it's time for Favre to do some play changes at the line. Fire Mangini!!!!"
Jim Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:51am ET"How can you say that "the calls went against the host", you Jets fans talked trash and celebrated Tom Brady's injury. At tleast the Jets players showed class. The Pats beat you guys in all aspects of the game, deal with it."
Ron Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:53am ET"The jets are about 5 years away from being in contention, they will never beat the patriots or buffalo everybody though brett was the answer but he's only and old man that throws the ball up and hopes someone catches it."
Burt Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:55am ET"Lets get this straight. it wasnt the punter or anything else that made you lose the game. it was that the jets were completly over matched. "
John G Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:04am ET"Why isn't anyone speaking of the clock not stopping after Thomas Jones carried the ball out of bounds on consecutive plays in the 4th Quarter. The plays were around the 13 - 14 minute marks. Two plays, one Jones caught a ball and went out of bounds, the clock didn't stop and when he took a handoff on the successive play and ran out of bounds. Both times the clock DID NOT STOP!!!"
Michelle Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:07am ET"I feel bad for Favre, I hope he doesn't take this personally. He is still learning and his doing a great job. I agree they need a new kicker ASAP!!! This is the beginning by mid season we will be on a roll."
Drew Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:13am ET"Over-reactions are the reason most fans (especially Jet fans) are ridiculous. It was a bad game. It's week 2!! I know it was the Patriots w/o Brady but they play well (especially on specials). We all said this team would be a work in progress early especially on offense. I didnt like some of the play calling and it kills me that Faulk destroyed us AGAIN but we need to be at least 2-2 by the BYE. "
Damone Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:15am ET"Thats exactly right,special teams killed us.I can't remember the last time i saw a game where we only got to run one kick back...and that was only to the twenty.The Pats are no longer better than us.Bad coaching and BAD LUCK! "
CD Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:15am ET"I feel like I was watching Hackett call the shots for the offense. We now have a QB who can throw, we have WR's who are good veteran players and we also have TE's who can catch a ball. Why on earth are we running the ball on three consecutive plays. Schottenheimer should throw out the Hackett playbook, we have a QB that can THROW!!!! So, stop being so conservative. Jet fans are sick of it!"
Ron Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:18am ET"It doesn't matter who the players are or the coaches, the JETS cannot be a team that is a dominant NFL threat. Every year the faces change but the results do not. It is always an excuse of the mistakes, playing calling , kickers or coaching. It is the JETS and they don't know how to win."
Jim Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:24am ET"Franks, Keller and Baker all being payed MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. So lets run up the middle 3 Straight times from the 2 yard line! Can We please try ONE PLAY ACTION PASS! What a joke."
Brian I Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:37am ET"We Lost this game, the PATS just took what we gave them. The conservative play calling make me grind my teeth. I hope there is a method to Mangini's madness, because I am sorry if I am stuffed and I mean stuffed the first two times at the goal line, you can bet I am gonna go play action and you can bet that is 4 down territory, no risk no reward ask Mike Shanahan."
WIBrett'sFan Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:37am ET"I must say play calling on "o" was horable the pick did not help the cause but 1st and goal run 2nd and 3rd RUN come on you have Brett Favre!PASS..... These linebackers must contain on the screen they got killed allmost every play. For all the money spent on that o-line they shure dont play well BLOCK SOMEONE!!! this is my first year with the JETS but I think they will get it turned around GOJETS!"
PurpleFlash Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:43am ET"Okay, I live out here in San Diego and remember the play calling with B. Shott. here with the Chargers. It was great then..I thought this was supposed to be the same offense?.So what the heck is 3 smashmouth runs at the goal line with T. Jones? We have 3 pass catching tight ends and we don't even do one Play action Pass...with Brett Farve? This play calling stinks. "
Bruce Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:47am ET"Mangini is a good coach. I have no doubt. But he has never coached a Brett Favre before. This guy isn't Pennington. It is time you take advantage of the receiver speed and the canon arm. Take off the handcuffs Mangini. I'm a long time Packers fan and I know what this guy can do. He will win games for you. Too much conservative play calling. Open it up! GO JETS"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:49am ET"Vilma had 10 tackles yesterday.Hey Randy anything on Cummings?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Not yet, uncle joe."
Charles F Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 9:57am ET"It's funny how all these Bandwagon fans come in here and start bashing Favre. Just because A.Rodgers did good weeks 1-2. Just last week everyone was praising Favre. Only week 2 and still have a whole lot of football left , you guys are so fake giving up on your team in week 2. Jets will bounce back and no better place to do then in San Diego. Jets better play there A game if they want redemption."
Charles F Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:03am ET"On the article I'm with you Ellis I thought it would be different too. Best thing to do is regroup learn from mistakes and play with some fire Monday Night next week and take out your anger on the Chargers. I know you guys have heart but you really need to show it on sidelines. Get amped up get the whole team amped up and down the sidelines. Aint over till its over , NO retreat No surrender."
peter okoey Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:10am ET"any chance Brad Smith is going to be part of the offense in the near future? "
SteveB Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:16am ET"It kills me that people are still blaming this on CP like the whole playbook was designed for him. It is execution and we are not close in that area. Mangold and Ferguson are still getting dominated on the line. Favre played in a west coast offense at GB its the team look at what Rodgers is doing they are better now without Favre. BF doesn't want to be here and he will be 1 & done bet on it."
Rich Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:17am ET"Same old Jets, what is it with this team. Pace was a no show, Favre no time to throw, Defense gave up too many yards overall. Two Games and they are still the same old Jets. They seem to have changed everything and nothing works, only thing left is to change their name. They will only prove themselves good enough to be in the NFL when they outscore teams by at least 3 touchdowns a game."
Ken Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:21am ET"I Thought It Was Going to Be Different. After being a JETS fan for over 40 yrs I and MANY other JETS fans are VERY familiar with this quote, I Thought It Was Going to Be Different. All the MONEY they spent on the Offensive Line and with 3 trys they can't score from 3 yds out! UNBELIVEABLE! Same OLD JETS! ALAN FANECA got schooled by Richard Seymour! FANECA also missed the block in Miami game"
Tim Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:23am ET"I'm embarrassed to be a Jets fan. Most of you guys on this message board say the same crap every year: it's early, Mangini's a great coach, this and that, etc. Everyone thinks us Jets fans are complete idiots and they're right. There's always an excuse and I've had enough. We're probably the worst story in NFL history, pitiful. The losing just never ends... "
Riley Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:26am ET"I'm a new Jets fan with the arrival of Brett Favre and you don't play this man in a conservative light. I've watched his career from the start and the man is a maniac on the field. All i have to say is let the great improviser loose and you'll win games.....!"
SteveB Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:26am ET"Everyone thought Favre was the missing link jsut look at his three yrs. prior to 07 avg. at best. This was nothing more than mgt. blaming all the problems on CP and KC. It is a much larger problem than that running laps for penalties what a joke. Our people are to robotic to play football. It is a game of desire and passion of which we have neither. Woody has to be embarrased but he asked for it!"
Meloche89 Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:27am ET"I have to disagree with Ellis, why would it be different? If it was to be different, the Jets HAD to make it different but they didnt. We obviously had a better chance at winning but like I have been saying for years now, we dont have the talent good teams do, we have bluecollar workers that.....dont work hard enough. Their is no way in hell we should get stuffed 3 times in a row on the 1."
Ken Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:29am ET"MANGINIOUS has to take the hit for this loss. This is why we brought MANGNI here. Mangini is supposed to know all the secrets from the PATS & Belichick. The HEAD coach is responsible for the team good or bad! 6 penalties! A PUNTER who can't kick! We are lucky we beat Miami last week. Miami a 1 & 15 team, lost 31 to 10 this week by Arizona! ARIZONA! ALAN FANECA almost got FAVRE killed by Semore!"
McNasty Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:29am ET"Easy folks. The Jets are 1-1. 14 games to go. They were not horrible yesterday and were in it all the way. That's a good sign. We already knew the offense would take time to come together. The sky is NOT falling."
mike verni Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:41am ET"hey guy's lets not forget what our defense did the offensive line limiting theyre game to field goals',sacking the brady substitute three time's that would have been Brady that's his line. we made a few mistakes that cost us the game we'll be better prepared for fox boro jets fans go to the game 2 1/2 ride from the city stop talking be supportive. BRETT LIKES TO THROW THAT'S A GOOD CAUSE HE CAN .."
Lou V Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:49am ET"Same old game plan. When will Shottenheimer and Mangenius let Favre play. They shackled him with their conservative game plan and play calling. Why not let Favre call his own plays. He sure has more experience and lots more success than either Shottenheimer or the Genius. Just a suggestion Eric, Can we cover all the receivers in one game. Week 1 we forgot about Tight end this week Welky. "
JOHNNYJET Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 10:58am ET"I HOPE IT;S NOT GOING TO BE A LONG SEASON. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO BEAT THE PATS!!! THIS IS GETTING VERY VERY FRUSTRATING!!!"
Brian C. Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:01am ET"How much more as Jets fans must we endure? The team spent $140 million to upgrade the team both on offense and defense. The went out and traded for Brett Favre! All the pieces were in place to compete with the Patriots with Tom Brady playing in the game! So Brady goes down for the season. So what do we do? We stink it up at home.The problem is the coaching. Mangini must go! Call Bill Cower!"
kk Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:07am ET"Time to bring in kickers every time we need Graham to boom one he shanks it. He killed us and then another short fg miss. Enough already!!!!!! Mangini wake up stop playing not to lose and get aggressive on offense. This looks like the same offense you had with Pennington!!!! Throw the BALL!!!!!!!!"
Drew Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:10am ET"Ken actually makes a good point unlike some of you maniacs that are calling for Mangini's head and spewing the Same Old Jets. Mangini was brought here to win games like this.... Enough of the we have Favre we have to throw the ball. Favre threw the ball deep 7 times. He succeded when we ran well. The Pats were playing the long ball and he took what he could. Coles dropping 2 1st downs hurt."
Ken Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:14am ET"I understand the season is not over. And this is just game 2, but if you can't beat the PATS at HOME, do you really think you will be able to beat the PATS at their stadium? And for every body that is saying that FAVRE and the JETS will get better with MORE reps next time the JETS meet the PATS. Well don't you think that MATT CASSELL & the Pats will also get better with more reps too?!"
Xavion Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:28am ET"I honestly think we are a 10x better team than we showed today. every week is gameplan specific.. then we should have used more speed on offense... We had some horrible calls on us and some non calls that cost us the play clock that ran out on cassel that wasnt called. Why did the refs blow stuckeys play dead in the 4th before favres 20 yard sack? Drew Coleman was beat in several places."
Ira Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:28am ET"McNasty, You are so right. The score was 6-3 middle of the 3rd and the jets had the ball. The D was playing well keeping them in the game. 14 more games to play and another shot at the Pats later on. Lets get to 2-1 and beat the Chargers. I have a feel that Eric will change things up this week and attack tha Chargers. GO JETS!!!!!"
Ira Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:37am ET"McNasty is right there 14 games to go. Hope they learn from their mistakes. I believe Eric will change things up a little and be more aggressive vs the Chargers. Time to put this game behind and get ready for the Chargers. And i will get killed for this put there were some positives from yesterday. Plus how about Stuckey? A 7th rd steal. Lets get to 2-1. GO JETS!!!!"
GL Edwards Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:43am ET"Mangini is going to be one of the top coaches in the NFL because he knows football and has strong people skills - he knows how to work with talented and self motivated people. He will have the best in the NFL, both players and coaches, contacting him for work. Loosing to the Patriots is disappointing, but not unexpected. The Jets need time to gell as a team. It will happen, they will win."
Rob Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:44am ET"Out coached. This team almost lost to a bad Miami team with a rookie coach and they got embarrassed yesterday by a team with a QB making his first start. Do they not know that NE runs a screen? Have they not seen this defense enough to figure out some new wrinkle? Gholston is invisible and it they forget they have a Hall of Fame QB. This team's head was not screwed on right. Out coached! "
Maryann Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:45am ET"No need to panic yet BUT...I was there....Cassel could have ate a cheese sandwich then thrown the ball! Way too much time!!"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:51am ET"Well there it is , I warned all of you. The same posters that were annoiting the jets last week are firing & benching everyone this week. I was against the Favre move because we needed more than a QB. We will be better but it will take time, alot of new pieces. I wanted the jets to romp the Pats, but I was realistic & knew they were better.If we beat the teams we should we'll be O.K. in Jan."
Bob's Blitz Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:52am ET"Wow, I really expected more than this. Schott and Mangini coached like they had Chad behind center. 3 running plays in a row? That wasn't Herm back there, was it? "
Pranit Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:53am ET"In addition to the genius*, throw out sutton too. Again playing so damn conservative with cassel in and ~10 mins left in the ballgame. Clearly they are milking the clock and we don't put 8 or 9 men in the box and force cassel to throw. At least try to force the mistake. I think everyone's a question mark in the coaching staff. Mangini -- assistant always remains an assistant. "
Ron Christian Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:53am ET"As a college quarterback and packer fan, I was the happiest fan when Brett had his itch... I've never followed the Jets, but am on the bandwagon now. We are behind Favre all the way. One pass does not and has never defined him as a quarterback. Go Jets..."
Ken Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:16pm ET"Guys take a look at ALAN FANECA in the MIAMI game. You remember the 3rd & 7 play for the JETS at the end of the Miami game. If you look at the tape ALAN FANECA was the one who blew his BLOCK that caused LEON to get tackled or he would have made the 3rd & 7 1st down. ALAN FANECA almost got FAVRE killed by Semore in the PATS game. You paid ALAN FANECA big money & you expect him play for big games"
Kyle Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:16pm ET"Mangini needs to go. Enough is enough. Going on three years now of playing not to lose. Any other coach in the league would be putting up 30 points with this line, Fave, LC, Cotchery, Jones, Washington. The Jets have more talent than the Pats this year. The difference is coaching. The Jets have the worst coaching staff in football. "
OriginalJetFan Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:19pm ET" Don't panic, it's a long season and we just lost a game we should have one to the best team in football(new qb? he's been running that stuff in practice for 3 yrs). Need a new punter, the rest will work out OK. As for coaching, Mangini should think less about sending a smashmouth message on the goal line and more about just getting a TD, short pass to TE or Leon running outside would have done "
Paul V. Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:29pm ET"The jets got manhandled. They need to lift a few weights once in a while. Farve should have taken the 25 Million and retired ! Adalius Thomos took Farve and Washington both to the ground with one hand! He looked like a junkyard dog with a ragdoll in its mouth ! Mangenius should be fired !"
Patrick from PA Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:31pm ET"I knew this game was lost when we only manage to get 3 points in the first two trips to NE's redzone. The most embarrassing moment: Adalius Thomas man handling both Favre and Leon. The coaches almost lost us the Miami game by being conservative and they lost us this one for sure. Absolutely pathetic gameplan and play calling. For those that think otherwise, you are not living in reality."
uncle joe Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 12:45pm ET"I was upset but Ive now viewed the new pictures of our flight crew and I am better.Those new uniforms are hot!ThankYou Randy,and will it be possible to purchase a uniform for my wife?"
ddh Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:06pm ET"once and for all, nobody wished brady any personal harm, the talk was about how his injury effected this division, brady is a great qb and everyone here respects his abilities, seems like you got beat in the SB by a NY team and it ruined your perfect year, now you come on the Jets blog talking trash to prove you cant even be gracious when you win, trying to soothe your bruised egos ? "
SteveB Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:06pm ET"Surely we don't have Brett Favre strapped to one play when he goes to the line?? I would think he has the ability to check into another play if he so desires. I.E. don't blame the three runs at the goal line just on Schotty. the quicker you people realize Favre does not have his head in the game & does not want to be a JET the less painful it will be. Look at him on the sideline or during press"
SteveB Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:15pm ET"conferences the guy is distraught. The more Arron rogers suceeds the worse it will get. Don't worry about him playing next year he may not finish this year. Just watch his body language he is toast. there was a reason the packer brass didn't want him back and we were the only org. silly enough to buy in to the hype. "
briaan Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:22pm ET"Yes favre doesnt know all of the plays yet. But the offense of play calling was awful. "
Wayne Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:25pm ET"Jeremy, Westoff has been back for 2 weeks now. You call yourself a fan? "
Wayne Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:32pm ET"We all saw the atrocious game. 3 straight runs to get in from the 5.The Pats new what was coming all game long. What does that say about us. Does Mangini have a rule that you have to run when your inside the 10. Does he realize we have a HOF qb by the name of Favre?Once again these coaches give us no chance to win a game.Belichick can take our team and beat the Pats anyday.FIRE THE COACHES!!!!!!!!"
JP Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:37pm ET"I have to agree with Ron - Favre is not defined by that interception...as far as I am concerned, our Defense and Favre were the only 2 things keeping us in this game. Monday is going to tell the story. Up against a 0-2 Chargers team that are supposed to be contenders. If we can win, open up the 0, get a kicker, we can do this. Last year a NY team started 0-2 - they then won the SB. Go JETS."
ddh Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:38pm ET"last seasons second game our d did well, but we had issues on o, this season our d played even better, and our vastly improved o, still a work in progress, came up short, but this time we could have(maybe should have) won it, thats at least a step up.week eleven barring injuries should better define this match up. a few roster improvements and we can rival the pats not only on the field"
Dunnie Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:39pm ET"Frank ... there is no bright side. Another number one pick to draft another bust ? Actually I really think we lost this game due to coaching and execution. Oh yeah ... and maybe because we are just not that good. Hopefully we can turn it around."
Wayne Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:40pm ET"Mangini must go.Belichick can take our team and put together a gameplan & beat the Pats. Why does he have to run 3 times when inside the 5.Does he know he has a HOF qb.The Jets play scared all the time.Their so afraid to lose that they forget how to win.After 40 yrs of this, I'm sick.Our talent is good but they are not used right.Play Leon more!Need to change up & keep D off balance.Use Keller too"
ddh Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:43pm ET"achievements in the post season as well. "
Wayne Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:48pm ET"Tired of Manginis press conferences talking about cleaning up teams mistakes.He needs to learn how to manage the game better.Terrible play calling again-don't blame that on the team.Terrible use of his players-don't blame that on the team.The crazy thing ishe does the same thing every game.Same gameplan, predictable offense, doesn't blitz when he has opposing qb on his heels.EM is a TERRIBLE COACH"
Brian Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:55pm ET"Hey Eric -- When you have a loaded gun, use it! Yea, we're gonna shoot ourselves in foot at times with the Ints, but that is expected with Brett. Coaching gets a 'D' with this very big Loss."
Anonymous Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:57pm ET"Randy,do the coaches read any fan feedback about OUR team!We are so disgusted with the way the coaches run this team.We have great TALENT but they are put in situations where they can't use that talent.We should be putting up 30 pts a game with this offense.Again, terrible game plan & play calling. You have to put your team in a position to win instead of playing to be close & then lose the game."
Donny Sunshine Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 1:59pm ET"Jets avg. drive started at the 21, with 6 touchbacks and the Pats avg drive started at the 42 and our net punt avg was like 27 yrds. Feely missed a fieldgoal...the special teams unit needs to step it up. Defense: played great, considering the only td allowed was after a turnover in our territory and the Pats had about 6 drives that reached Jet territory and walked away with only FGs. "
Ira Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:00pm ET"Don't panic everything will be fine. The Jets must learn from this and put it behind and get ready for the Chargers. It was a statement they failed to make but there are still 14 games to go."
Da Brink Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:07pm ET"Take heart, Jets fans! The Jets will have another opportunity later in the season to face the mighty Pats at Gilette stadium. Matt Cassel should be well-rehearsed with a few games under his belt. Bottom line... prepare for another 60 minutes of pouty-faced jeering at refs, cameras, Mangini or any other scapegoat you can think of as you watch your precious Jets take a ninth consecutive Pat beating"
Ken Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:10pm ET"And the 12 MAN penalties! How many times did the JETS have a 12 MAN PENALTY??? Unbelievable!!! Who is responsible for that? MANGNI better get his coaches on the right track."
PurpleFlash Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:13pm ET"Are we EVER going to see any kind of creativity in the Red Zone? Last year it was athe constant and forever predictable fade pass and now we get 3 straight straight ahead runs inside the three? What about a spread offense or play action pass of the run, bootleg or eve a flea flicker? SOMETHING..'"
Ken Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:21pm ET"Guys don't blame BRETT FAVRE. This was not BRETT FAVRE fault. Brett was trying to do something EXTRA to help the JETS offense when he threw that interception. Don't blame FAVRE for this one or the JETS defense. This lose was on the entire offense and special teams and (NO PUNTING)!"
JETFANAL Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:29pm ET"I like Mangini & think he's a good coach but not a good head coach. It's simple he's not a good leader. Opening drive, that close & you go for a field goal? Rather than electing to go for the first down & try to set the tempo for the game & the season by showing belief in your players that they can get done? If you watched the Denver/Charger game you saw the difference, coach to leader."
John Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:33pm ET"The Jets lost this game for 2 major reasons Field position: Allowing the Pats offense to start on their 42 is miserable. Our defense has proved to be strong, so lets help out with some field position. Punting was disgusting, you have one job, do it! **Biggest problem for the Jets this year..PLAY CALLING. The conservative offense is getting us no where, I like our running game TAKE SHOTS DOWN FIELD"
joe b Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:50pm ET"If this was chad after two games the crowd would be calling for his head. This guy is not the great improvement everybody expected. He came into camp out of shape and still doesn't know the JET playbook. He looks like he doesn't even care when the camera shows him on the sideline. And as for mangini, no clue just keep chewing. At the best 9-7 with weak schedule too.All this and PSL decisions. AAgh"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 2:55pm ET"Mangini is a good coach, we should be able to run it from the 5, I want my coach to play it smart & not take unnecessary risks, I don't care who the QB is. Belicheck, who is the best punted twice on 4th & less than a yard in our territory. Why is he not being criticized for playing not to lose??Its a fine line between W's&L's lets not give them away, we'll get better or heads will roll, I promise!"
JOHNNYJET Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:02pm ET"RANDY- I BELIEVE MANGINI HAS TO GO!!!! IF WE CAN'T BEAT THE PATS THEN WE WILL NEVER GET TO THE SUPERBOWL EVER!!!"
Gene Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:16pm ET"Field position killed us against a great team. Does look like we're trying to be too technical on offense. Like the plays don't look fun to run. Not that boring, rigor mortis look of football I've been seeing. Being in the red zone is more worrisome than exciting, becuase I feel like we can't score. The defense is beggining to look like a threat, hopefully the offense comes around soon."
JR Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:17pm ET"Hey Randy....Do you think it might be time to put the loss on the shoulders it belongs? Mangini can't even figure out what our team colors are...he still plays partly for NE and it shows. Three runs at the goal line? What in the world was he thinking? Maybe let Brett figure it out for him. You have one of the best QB's in history and you hancuff him at the goal line? WHO IS THE GENIUS PLAYING FOR "
crolson Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:21pm ET"Get used to the int's. There will be alot more coming! "
ronald goode Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:27pm ET"I can't allow my son to see his father root for loser. The coaching is horrendous in every sense of the word. If this is not the time to bash the jets then when. I'm ashamed to call myself a jetz fans. I can't even spell the teams name let alone say it any more. Eric makes me sick, with his observation, he is not qualified to be the coach of a 140 million dollar team. HURT!! "
J.J. Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:33pm ET"We are one -one! The lose came to the loosing team of the Super Bowl! Nothing to be ashamed of. It takes more than one player ( Bradey) to win games, tremendous running game, good defence, and probaly the best coaching staff in the league, we did alright! "
Ray Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 3:33pm ET"BIG AL, I don't care where your from, "tough love" is not just beating someone down. Someone has been having their way with you pal! Tough love in beating them down and then bringing them back up. All you do is the first part. Sorry I don't have time for "die hard" fans like you."
ChrisNC Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:08pm ET"Like father, like son. Any NFL fan has seen the same offensive tendencies for years, it's known as 'MartyBall'. Sure Shotty Jr has shown a few bells and whistles but, overall it's an overly conservative, playing not to lose mentality that will not get you to the big dance. So far...same old jets...sigh "
Richard Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:18pm ET"Randy, as a Favre fan jumping from Green Bay to NY Jets, that game could have been won, The energy was there but the result wasn't. I am not one to make excuses, and neither are the Jets, BUT, that was a game that really was controlled by bad officiating. I MEAN BAD! In a game as hard foght as that was,by both teams, the BREAKS are gonna getcha. We could have used a couple. Go Jets!"
Big O Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:26pm ET"I think that we need to move it up a few more knotches on the OFFENSIVE LINE, WORK ON PENALTIES AND THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS. Somehow I am not satisfied with Brian Schotty's play calling, we had the game won but we didn't punch thru the Patriots defensive line for the score in the first half. I have never been comfortable with running the ball up the middle to me it is a complete waste of a down."
Row Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:35pm ET"I don't know why Leon was out there blocking a LB. We had O-line missing assignments. Coles dropped every other pass to him. Our punter Net somewhere around 28 yards. Favre was running for his life all day. We couldn't score on first and goal from the 3 or close.. Missed FG from around 20 yards. I just don't see a lot of coaching going on. If they could execute a WR screen, it might have worked."
MARK GABRIELLE Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:39pm ET"Eric needs to let Brett play wide open, let him make plays in the red zone he is not Chad out there. On defence the linebackers need to step up to stop the short stuff. Only allowed 5 more losses TIME TO STEP UP!"
John Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:54pm ET"I am a Pats find living in Atlanta and I think the Pats will continue to beat the Jets because of the head coaching. You may hate Bill B. but he always puts together a good game plan. Also Brett is not the answer for the Jets but I feel the rest of your team is pretty solid."
Daniel Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 4:59pm ET"Bad field postions hurt us. D'Brick is a bust, hurts us every week. Sorry. I root for this guy to improve, but he is BRUTAL! I cant believe I havent heard this addressed more....did anyone watch the game? I did. Every stinkin play. Overall, we played well enough to lose a close game. The Pats beat us again. Maybe with better pass protection and field position we would have had a shot."
Mo Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 5:09pm ET"After watching the game, rear couch qb here says: 1) Stop being like the Jets of old. Pennington is gone. Favre is here. 2) Try to let Brett make the calls. He would've passed on one of the 3 g/l plays 3)Defense needs to pressure the O-line before the Red Zone, not only in the Red zone 4) Special teams needs to shape up or ship out. p.s my 12 yr old punts 50+ yds.... we need change"
Louie Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 5:25pm ET"I so agree with ronald, We were out coach again by NE....Eric Mangini and staff needs to do there homework on NE....tired of losing to this team!"
steve Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 5:35pm ET"When do you think the jets will get a coach who plays to win instead of not to lose. When you get a Hall of Fame quarterback for 12 million a year and you have 3rd and 7 and one first down will win the game (miami) why run the ball into the line??. Why run the ball three straight times into the line when you have 1st and goal from the 3 yard line (new england)?? and Why can Shanahan have the guts to go for 2 with the game on the line??? DAD "
TJMGold Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 5:35pm ET"Jets should have had this. Game starts off with kicker problems as usual. Jets have the chance to take the lead and the guy can't kick straight to save his life. Then we have the classic drive when the Jets are on 1st & goal, but let's attempt to run it EVERY single play and get no where. Ridiculous. Flags left and right that costed the Jets 60 yrds plus some potential points. Very depressing."
Nicole Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:15pm ET"This wasn't a shocker. The 2nd game with favre and it was against the pats...no big suprise it turned into a loss. BUT what i want to know , is why the heck a flag wasn't called when favre was yanked and twisted by his collar and helmet to helmet contact was made....roughing the passer hello... but ohhhh nooo when the jest gingerly tap Cassle on the head with a helmet let's go ahead and call it. "
Ray Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:18pm ET"Hey Da Brink, what are you on da brink of? Knowledge? I don't think so. You aren't even smart enough to run smack! That eight straight is in NY genious. We beat you in your house the year before last. You don't even know your own team. Pathetic."
Ray Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:31pm ET"John from Atlanta, I want to say thanks. You are the only, and I mean only, Pats fan that has come in here either before or after this game and just made a realistic, analytical comment, no smack and run. I don't totally agree, I think Brett was an upgrade for now and our coach is going thru some growing pains, but so did Bill (cleveland). I sure hope your wrong anyway!"
Rod77 Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 6:49pm ET"i was very diappointed with this lose. a lot of mistakes were made and we basically gave the game away. but what i was most disappointed at was the lack of passion the jets showed. how is a jets/pats game one of the most boring games this wnknd. i love what this team has done in the off season, but now its time to play. the pats were in such control of castle, the jets need to presure the qb."
Drew Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:17pm ET" Where did Mangini play not to lose? Our punter was awful,we started every drive at the 20 they started at the 45,we missed a huge FG early,we had (2) 15 yrd penalties during big drives by the Pats and a huge INT Favre that they turned into 7. They forced Favre to throw underneath he tried to throw deep and it didnt work. Mangini tried to make a statement and ram it in at the 1. U guys are cluless"
JOHNNYJET Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:44pm ET"HEY GUYS- THIS IS OUR SEASON THIS MONDAY NIGHT AGAINST THE 0 AND 2 CHARGERS. IF WE CAN'T BEAT THEM THEN THE NUMBER 1 PICK IN THE DRAFT IS OURS!!! THE SUPERBOWL WILL BE THE GIANTS VS THE BILLS!!!"
john Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 8:47pm ET"i think if they get there offence to protect brett more and give there rb and fb more chances to get bigger holes i think they can be a good team "
JC Edwards Said:
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:54pm ET"Hey Greg A........if I'm an idiot......then you sir are a pee wit. :-) Give Brett the ball!! And for the poster that said he was happy Brett was out of GB....and that Brett was the GOAT......Rodgers will never be a quaterback of the same calibre as Favre......he's good.......but I don't feel he'll be that good. ;-)"
NY Football Fan Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 12:06am ET"I was upset with the loss. The offensive line was okay, but the defense line was lousy. Brett couldn've done alot better that. Its only 1 loss. Every teams loses once in a while. But we could've won this one. Oh well. Next game. Lets move on. Im pretty sure they'll learn after this one."
Mitch Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 3:55am ET"The Four Tops said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x55tMpAHuI8 ... 40 years since Broadway Joe & SB 3 glory, and all things remain as they are with this God-forsaken organization...its the "Same Old Song" we've heard sung countless times...you can change the cast members, but the show will always be the same. "
Anonymous Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 4:09am ET"Hey, Packer fan since 1992 ..Favre bashers and Rodgers lovers listen up! Rodgers starts for a young determined team that has already gelled together. Favre has been thrown into somewhat of a mess in New York. Favre and the new receivers need to get in sync and it looks like Coles needs to stop grieving over Pennington. Mangini needs to draw up some 4 and 5 receiver sets! Favre is not conservative!"
LI FAN Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 6:34am ET"Moving off LI to Jersey, terriable coaching (Bob Sutton?? Bob Sutton? PLEASE!!! A team that has not won in 39 years & PSL for the new stadium, the Bills are looking really good to change to, i could not even watch the special teams"
greenjello Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 10:23am ET"I am so sick of our coaches and their "strategies" for opponents! First off, run a basic offense, not one that has so many men in motion and looks like a pop-warner offense it confuses the players running it. Get rid of this stupid twins offense and run 3, 4 reciever sets. Our coaches have been finding ways to lose games instead of winning them! I think Shotty needs to watch the dallas offense"
greenjello Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 10:29am ET"I agree with steve, everyone else stop talking about the D! They played better than good. 4-5 sacks not allowing 100yards rusher for second game in a row! A big improvement from last year. This loss falls strictly on the shoulders of Mangenious and Shotty. Terrible game plan, and terrible restriction of Farve and his capability. You dont try to make a statement by running against Pats!"
Ray Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 12:18pm ET"JOHNNY JET your way off. Sorry this game is NOT our season. You say 0-2 Chargers like they stink. They are about 20 seconds from being the 2-0 Chargers. No matter what happens out there we want to go into the bye week at 2-2. Man, you guys want to make all these games out to be do or die games, they aren't!! A win would be great, but it is NOT our season on the line here."
Gangreen headhunter Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 12:40pm ET"Gholston doesn't know how to rush NFL style, he only uses one technique. He needs to learn how to use his hands more, put Murrell in for now"
tysdominion@aol.com Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 2:01pm ET" wow it look more like herm was coaching , i called every play my self here at home watching the game , d was solid . i hope we loose every game and they fire mangini . then we can go get bill chower "
Dosetaker Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 3:43pm ET"Looks like Favre won't be the savior after all...did we really think we could beat the Pats? "
Big O Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 4:29pm ET"I dont know everybody else in here, but I am happy with the way Brett is handling the ball. If you let Brett keep bombing balls left and right that will lead to a lot of interceptions, that can cause a lot of drawbacks for touchdowns on good field goal position. I think the defense has to practice on cutting down on penalties and the offense has to attack at the right time. "
Row Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 4:35pm ET"I will say that one thing I have noticed with the running game, is Tony Richardson is not lead blocking on about 50% of them. It is like he is a decoy or something. We have the ability to run it up on the Chargers if we get ahead early. I would bet they are close to last in the league with points against. We have to run the ball! Give Brad Smith a series, a reverse, ANYTHING!!!"
tommyo Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 6:42pm ET"YOU PAID 13 MIL FOR ONE OF THE BEST ARMS EVER!!!!!!!! can someone please tell me whats so bad about favre lettin the ball go? if he gets picked, fine but theres TDS 2 be scored 2! NO RISK- NO REWARD!! then you go out next time and open it up again 2 at least give us a chance!! !hows jones or leon or chatman ever gonna pass the line of scrimmage if favres softtossing like chad pennington??"
Mark Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 6:50pm ET"If you want to take advantage of what Favre brings to the table then you need a playbook with more then a dozen plays. How about throwing out the “coaching not to loose” strategy and adopting a “coaching to win” strategy. That means taking calculated risks, mixing up plays, and acknowledging that your opponent knows your tendencies and will use them to his advantage."
Mike Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 7:00pm ET"Jenkins, Pace, Gholston. I thought we were going to have a pass rush this year. Rush only 3 or 4 and QB's in this league will always kill you.. Pennington and Cassel have already. Whats gonna happen when real QB shows up. The Giants had success on pass rush because they had good pass rushers. "
jets fan Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 8:29pm ET"Where;s Gholston. Not on top of any QB. Even when the Jets are blitzing its hard to tell. So maybe the Mangenius can drop ten into coverage and just rush Jenkins."
LEVITTOWN TONY Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 9:02pm ET"VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH MANGINI. HE HAS TURNED INTO HERM MINUS THE PREACHING. 3 RUNS WITH FAVRE AT QUARTERBACK. MAY BE TIME TO TURN THE PAGE AFTER THIS YEAR AND GO HARD AFTER BILL COWHER. A SCHOTTENHEIMER AS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR SAYS IT ALL. VERNON WHO? THIS HAS BUST WRITTEN ALL OVER IT"
jets fan Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 9:47pm ET"we have about 8 sacks in 2 games. 4 against a good line . how many did we have last year........................yeah exactly "
Big O Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 10:47pm ET"To all of you who feels like Brett needs to bomb the ball 85% of the time, trust me you dont want that, we will lose more games that way because of interceptions. Then everyone will be on this blog complaining that "Brett needs to go". We have enough weapons for long passes and short passes, if you ask me I think we need to utilize our tight ends and throw short and long passes to mix it up."
jd Said:
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 11:50pm ET"thank you Row and Anonymous. i thought i was the only one to notice Coles just going though the motions. so what you and brett didnt hit off the first time on the field. its called practice. whats the saying one bad apple spoils the bunch."
mike the ex jet fan Said:
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 3:22am ET"a dad is proud when his son wants to follow in his footsteps---------- Well son I'm so sorry yes I am a jet fan ----- hope u don't suffer 40 years like I did "
Teresa from Wisconsin Said:
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 3:11pm ET"Let Brett play!! You need to let him go and you won't be disappointed. Yes, A Rodgers played good the first half, but this is the Jets site, so get the sour grapes off this site. Packers have a site to gloat on and I have to listen to it at home, don't want to here too. Go JETS!!!!!"
Dave Said:
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 6:37pm ET"Enough with the silver lining, no more moral victories. Game victories are the only ones I care about now. There was blood in the water and they were the sad same ol' Jets, disappointing fans that were foolish enough to let some hope in once again."
Green Cathy Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 8:38am ET"Been a fan since the beginning and I'm not about to desert my boys now. Stay loyal! Talk about disappointment all you want - -make fun of we grenn fans...but I keep the dream alive."
Eric from Bklyn Said:
Thu, September 18, 2008 - 11:39am ET"The coaching was terrible why are we still running the same "Chad" plays,you have to attack the Pats,when was the last time you seen any team run 3 straight time right into the teeth of the Pats "D"and get anything done,pathetic play calling,Mangini looks like a scared lil boy when he goes up against the Pats"
william vasquez Said:
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 8:11pm ET"i have been a jets fan since my dad put me in front of the TV on sunday,it's been a long hard road.i have been joked about my team every year but this year i thought it was going to be different and in the back of my mind.there is still that hope of going to the big game and watching my team win a ring. So forget the he say she say and be a true JET FAN( I'LL BE WEARING MY JERSEY MONDAY NIGHT) "
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JC Edwards Said:
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 9:38pm ET"Why not get rid of Mangini. Find a coach that can turn the Jets into a winning team.........you got the QB covered."
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