LUCAS: What It'll Take for the Jets to Jell
Published: Sun, August 31, 2008 - 1:27pm ET
By Ray Lucas
Former Jets QB Ray Lucas is SNY's studio-based NFL analyst and appears on many of the network's Jets shows.
File Under: Mike Tannenbaum, Eric Mangini, Bill Parcells, Brett Favre, Alan Faneca, Kris Jenkins, Damien Woody
08/31 — I look at what the Jets have done with this team and my first thought is this: Mike Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini have made a commitment to the guys that are there now. They're not rebuilding. This is not a rebuilding year.
Let's take a look at some of the guys they brought in.
Alan Faneca's there, and I think he's going to help D'Brickashaw and Nick. Brandon Moore's a vet. Damien Woody's there. These are Super Bowl champs you're talking about. Faneca and Woody know how to carry themselves.
Now this might be just me, but the most important guy in a 3-4 defense, on the whole squad, is the nose tackle. And Kris Jenkins is another Pro Bowl guy who might've had weight issues in the past, but this guy is just a great big human being. There must've been something in the water where he grew up. They just don't grow that big. He came in in shape and he's another nasty guy. All that bigness, size and speed, and he has strength, which is a rarity. That's a big addition to the defense.
Then when you bring in Brett Favre, all these big signees can concentrate on what they're doing. Nobody is talking to them because everybody's talking to Brett. You don't have everybody asking you questions about justifying your money. It makes things easier for these guys. Brett can handle it, he's used to it. He's a first-ballot Hall of Famer, period. That's just my thinking. If I'm there with a $36 million deal and nobody's talking to me about money, that has to be a good thing. I can just concentrate on football and worry about what I have to do to make the team better.
I just think it's all going to come down to do they jell early or do they jell late? Just what they brought in should be able to compete in the hardest division football.
New England is New England — you don't go 16-0 and not be good the next year, I'm sorry. Maybe last year the Jets couldn't compete. I'm not trying to take anything away from the team last year, I'm not, but they got handled. You bring in guys who are physical, who can put up with New England's offensive line, which is solid, and with No. 12 standing behind it, who's as cool as the other side of the pillow. The Jets did enough definitely to compete with the upper echelon in the AFC in general and in the AFC East especially. They've given themselves a shot. I think that's definitely important.
I remember the Washington Redskins, when Dan Snyder brought in Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, and they stunk. Because if you don't play together, what good is it? Eleven individuals on the field are not going to beat anybody. You've got to have 11 guys that equal one squad. That takes a lot of unselfishness. If that happens, man, it's exciting.
You can buy talent, sure, but you can't buy cohesiveness, guys who are unselfish. If that means taking a back seat to somebody, sacrificing what you think you need to be doing for somebody else, that means W's. I've been around one of the best coaches. Bill Parcells had a way to get the best out of guys like me personally. You're looking at a free agent.
Eric is up that tree. He doesn't lie. That's why I have so much respect for him. He coached me as well, in that '99 season — a lot of people don't know that. He's a student of the game. I'm not kissing Eric's butt, I'm not. I tell it like I feel it. If you can look your head coach in the eye and he tells you something that you can put in an envelope, put a stamp on it and send it out, you want to play for that guy.
Of course I never played for Eric as a head coach, but from what I see, from going out there and talking to him, he's got that quality that can bring the best out of guys that other people won't even look at.
I'm not swayed that they spent all that money to go to the Super Bowl — that's not reality. All that people should be thinking about is that if the Jets jell quickly and are unselfish enough to sacrifice their personal goals and feelings to achieve one goal, to get to the playoffs ... if they do all that stuff, the accolades will come.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (49)Ira Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 2:22pm ET"Ray, Welcome to the Radar. You said it perfect. Eric finally got the NT for a 3-4 defense with Jenkins. He is the whole key like you said. Plus the addition of Pace it improves the front 7 right away. I think the D will carry the team the early part of the season until the offense has time to jell and Favre gets more comfortable with the offense. I say they can win 11. Ray what do you think?"
Drew Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 2:25pm ET"Big Ray Lucas fan...Plus I chat Jet football with him on Saturday mornings at our local supermarket. He always says what he feels. I was defending the Jets in the P Kendall drama last year and he told me flat out the Jets were wrong and it might hurt the team. He is a little bit of homer (working for SNY and all) but he cracks me up on Jets Nation. Loves when he argues with known Jet hater A Shein"
Rick R. Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 2:31pm ET"Looks like coach O'Dea & Chad Pennington should get together & have a beer on the thought of being kicked to the curb when someone better arrives or comes back to the team."
drew Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 2:58pm ET"Randy, please limit RL's columns this year, this article is terrible and not well-thought out at all. It reminds me of 7th grade remedial english."
MikeMc Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 3:09pm ET"Hey Ray- I see the same qualities in Mangini as you wrote, plus I think his in game mgmt is superior to who we had prior. I wish Woody would sign this guy long term, sorry Frank."
Vince Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 4:46pm ET"Ray, It's just like the Jets to have you flanking out those deadlines. I can also see you coaching B. Smith in scrambling and halfback option passes and trick plays. You were one of those rare Tuna-quarterbacks who was not a Chad ! Good Luck with those deadlines, Ray. "
bigEd Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 5:00pm ET"I have to say that the foundation has been laid and is rock solid. Every facet of putting a quality team on the field EVERY YEAR is in place and working well. Scouting, Coaching, Front Office. Guys, you've done a tremendous job! Tangini I look forward to you guys running this club til you're ready to retire with multiple Super Bowl rings! It's the beginning of OUR TIME!!!"
jetpete3241 Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 5:08pm ET"Some personal observations: 1) Favre, not only greatly upgrades the QB position, he was also brought in to save Mangini's and Tanenbaum"s jobs; 2) I'm very concerned about the ability of the Jets to consistently run the ball and stop the run, if they can do both, then this increases their chance of having a 4-6 win increase; I expect the Jets to start slow, finish well, and end up about 8-8 or 9-7"
Frank Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 5:56pm ET"Let's get this straight Mikey Mc. This regime has proved nothing as of yet as a matter of fact they are just as close to a playoff season as we are to a revist of the Kotite years. I am a fan who is hoping for a magical season we'll see what happens. Too bad if you don't like me pointing out the obvious flaws and mistakes when Tangini corrects them I'll shut up until then I am a critic."
roger in florida Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 6:10pm ET"i'm telling you now that what tangini did with all the new signings and especially with the final roster is GENIOUS, G-E-N-I-O-U-S!, if these guys believe and drink the " tangini-rine" cool aid and gain enough confidence they are going to have a BIG, BIG , YEAR, (12-4) mark my words."
Vinnie Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 6:18pm ET"The team is set up to succeed for the next 2 to 3 years with veternan guys who know how to win and some youngsters who got game and can learn from the vets. I've dissected the Jets schedule like I do each year and I have the Jets 6-3 or 7-2 going into the Thurs night Pats game. From there they finish 3-4 or 4-3 to go 9-7 or 10-6 with a wild card. If not, the prove us all wrong & win the division"
Row Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 6:23pm ET"Mr. Lucas I really appreciate your comments. The Pats will struggle this year along with the Jets. One of the reasons we lost a few games in the 4th quarter was b/c we couldn't run the ball. We were beating the Giants for almost 3 quarters and our D just couldn't hold. We have to run the ball. I don't think Shottenheimer understands. The roster moves prove it. Go Jets! Hopeful, not convinced. "
Drew Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 7:18pm ET"Looks like the Pats released Lynch and signed Posiack. I do not want Lynch on this team. He is done.....Plus it looks like there is another drew on the radar today. Let's try to not confuse the 2."
#1dolphinsfan Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 7:38pm ET"Hey Ray you ever think of doing some Dolphin broadcasting. Oh by the way 1 more week til the Jets get a good ol fashioned spanking ."
supercooljetfan Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 8:39pm ET"its too bad chatman is suspended i thinnk with him jones and leon that would of been one the premier backfields in the leagues. plus with our wr/te depth and farve throwing the ball im really happy about our offense this year .I know us jet fans got high hopes every season but this year we really should . plus fin fan im gonna spank your mom"
Ira Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 9:12pm ET"Drew, I believe they will go after Lynch and try to sign him. They tried before the Pats got him. I question that move also."
Ed Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:17pm ET"dolphin fan your mullets dont have a chance my cousins high school team can beat the dolphin best thing there is chad. "
supercooljetfan Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:29pm ET"i dont think these guys will have a problem gelling im sure after all their fat contracts they just signed the next thing on their list is to win.Frank for you to say there is a chance of the kotite years is CRAAAAZYYY plus those teams didnt have leaders like Rhodes,Coles,Ellis,and Cotchery"
Drew Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:48pm ET"Frank?? Did you just say the Jets were as close to a playoff berth than to revisiting the Kotite years under my boys Tangini?? I know you like to make funny comments but this was the worse one ever. I just got done watching the Sportcentury of Tom Brady (Which makes me want to puke) Franks's comments have not made me feel any less sick. Tangini has made huge changes from last year. Get on board!!"
Joseph Covington Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 11:19pm ET" Thanks Mr. Lucas for giving me your perspective. I am also in agreement with your thoughts and wanted to add that the jets are going to be fine with their monsters of I95. The jets have size superbowl winners and great draft picks. The only thing missing is the safety and superfast wr. All in all my moto this year is BEAT US IF U CAN!! That goes for pats, dolphs, bills, or chargers. "
JET FAN Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 1:05am ET"Yea ok buddy the dolphins are horibad"
Ken Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 2:36am ET"I like RAY. He may talk a little too much for my taste. But at least RAY keeps it REAL! I like that about RAY. RAY doesn't sugar coat it. If the players or the team played BAD, Ray Lucas will say they played BAD. Keep it REAL Ray!"
Charles F Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 2:52am ET"WOw you believe what that one poster said about Ray. Somebody needs to cut back on the hate juice. lol Serious no matter where you go there is always somebody trying to ruin your day. Anyway unlike what this herb said good article Ray hope to read more articles from you keep up the good work on SNY. Peace out! JETS in 08 only bound for greatness baby!"
RonfromSouthBrunswick Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 3:31am ET"Ray, you are the man on the Jets nation show! You and Greg crack me up. Also, whats up for our boys by the ole raritan? Any predictions? Go RU and Go Jets with the "big fatties up front"! Also, if you have an email address i can keep up with you with, that would be cool. Thanks"
Anonymous Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:36am ET"Hey Randy, Remeber Inside the NFL had a section called WHERE ARE THEY NOW? How bout having a section where we can see what some of our older heros are up to now ?- I miss the man (#57 Mo Lewis) or the legend himself (#42 Ronnie Lott) "
MikeMc Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:16am ET"Well said Drew!! For some guys its Superbowl or bust , there is no middle ground, they are selfish,whining babies that if they don't get their way they take their ball & go home. I believe in stability as the road to success & CLEARLY Mr.T & Coach M. have proven to be up to the challenge, Rome wasn't built in a day.They are smart, respected & hard working,they know the game&will get better each yr"
Steve K Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 10:04am ET"Frank, I don't agree with you. Mangini and Mike T have brought in alot of talented players over the last 3 offseasons, there is no denying that, and as far as Mangini not getting alot out of his players, what the hek would you call the Jets making the playoffs in Mangini's first year? I guess that was just all luck and there was absolutely no coaching involved. Side note- Love the Mo Lewis idea"
jet80 Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 10:58am ET"Cant believe they cut Pociask and Poteat.Franks showed nothing and has nothing so the rookie plays his heart out and doesnt get a spot because Favre needs a familiar face.Patriots will have em both by tommorrow.Ball shouldve been givin more play time,hes a huge playmaker.would want him over coles anyday.phinsfan i thought school opened back up"
Stunna Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 11:08am ET"i really think the jets need to address the running game situation, id like to c the thomas jones cedric benson combination again n cb ddnt get into too much trouble with tj around, unrelated to this wassup with former seahawk SHAUN ALEXANDER"
Frank Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 11:18am ET"Drew, Mickey Mc and a few others need to have your Jet IQ monitored and your Green Kool Aide moderated. Free agent signings ala Dan Snider do not equal superbowls but then again I just mentioned the playoffs not a superbowl. With a losing record and plenty of questionable player moves and motives there is a lot to prove. No coronations here until the product on the field gets better. "
Frank Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 11:25am ET"There seems to be a delay with the Westhoff comeback. I pray they get it done today. He was by a landside the best coach on the team and Mangini desperately needs his guidance, influence and credibility on the team. Besides other than the Lowery return special teams were lousy during the pre-season. O' Dea has also gotten into Nugents head because he looks even more shakey than he's ever been. "
BillJets Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 11:57am ET"Where is the practice squad info? Moreover, is Westoff back on the staff. Put up some updates!"
Randy Lange Said:
"BillJets, this is Randy. We'll put them up as soon as we get them. We haven't gotten them yet."
Jason Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:04pm ET"Umm...They didn't just keep Buba Franks because he played with Brett Favre, they brought him in because he can Block. Plus, he has veteran experience, and even if they did sign Pociask he would get probably no playtime between Dustin Keller and Chris Baker. By the way Great Column Ray enjoyed it alot. "
DanL. Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:05pm ET"4 QB's on a team that was 4-12 seems like a waste of a roster spot (probably OL Bender). If Brett is QB for more than 2 years one will be traded between the the other Brett and Ainge. I thinks Adam Shine 'loudmouth' expertise is overated. He predicts 8-8 and for Jets. That means all that money spent for 4 more wins. Don't know what team Shine was watching,if any"
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:38pm ET"Hey Ray, I dont always agree with what u say or the way u deliver it, but i agree with u on this article. Frank i also agree with u on some things that u said, Mangini has not proved himself, 14-18 as an HC does not show that u proved yourself. I think that he did get the best out of his players, he didnt get the best out of his GM, and his Coaching staff. Mr. T did a poor job of evaluating this"
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:49pm ET"team, being 10-6 & spliting w/ your division champs in 06 can cloud judgement as a GM. The bad part about being a HC coach is that none of it matters bcuz poor play falls on Mangini when everyone is to blame. I feel Mangini is a good HC, if he fails with the Jets & leaves so be it, my view of him wont change. I'll keep my Kool Aid on ice, I wont guzzle like the rest of these guys."
Drew Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:50pm ET"Cannot agree more on Westhoff's return. I know it might sound silly but I think he is vital to the success of this team. Special teams were always assumed since Westhoff arrived. It has been the dominant part of our team. With Favre and the rest of the upgrades his return will be icing on the cake. Plus didnt love the O'dea signing and he has gotten into Nugent's head.... Good call Frank."
Arthur Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 12:54pm ET"Randy, hope they can get Westhoff back soon, we need him and while there is no such thing as a bad jet article, i must agree with one of the drews that Ray needs to polish his writing style and content a bit. He'll get there but give him some guidance Randy, its one of the reasons many of us love your posts."
MikeMc Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 1:55pm ET"Frank the delay on Westhoff might have more to do with his position, wasn't he the asst H.C., now Callahan has that position, also Westhoff might not want to work with O'dea and share his S.Teams.Frank criticism is divisive at this point, lets pull together& support our mgmt& reserve judgement till after the season, crying now is doing nobody any good& quite frankly your killing my buzz! Go JETS"
Antonio Masis Said:
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 4:31pm ET"I think it will be exciting to see if all the money spent in the offseason can carry the Jets through to the playoffs. I expect them to beat Miami, but I think the real challenge will be if they are able to come up with at least a 2-1 record over the first three weeks of the season, as they play the two best teams in the AFC back to back *San Diego and New England. "
CALVIN Said:
Tue, September 2, 2008 - 11:18pm ET"I believe the Jets could have won more games last year, however chad arm was not up to throwing down field, they lost a lot of close games -especialy with the Patriots, I think only by 1 or 2 points I agree if they can jell early the have to be a more competent team this year -and with Bret its not over until the fat lady sings"
RTW Said:
Wed, September 3, 2008 - 12:57am ET"BIG ED,YOU might possibly know what your talking about,38yrs a fan,i think WE are as close as we may have ever been,finally a real chance to be opptomistic 12-4!!!J-E-T-S jets jets jets"
larry Said:
Wed, September 3, 2008 - 8:28am ET"Did the editor have a chance to review this article prior to going to print? not only is the grammar suspect, 75% of the content is shopworn - covered over and over. "
Randy Lange Said:
"This is Randy, larry. You're entitled to your opinion on the content, but you're slamming both the author and the editor. I stand by my editing, I'm sure Ray stands by his content, and I stand by Ray."
greg Said:
Wed, September 3, 2008 - 12:57pm ET"To me, the key to the Jets success is the "jelling" of the offensive line and the effectiveness of their pass rush. Everything else will fall in place if these 2 elements are sound. Will Faneca and Woody provide veteran leadership that Ferguson and Manegold can rally behind? Will Pace build off the Giant game as a pass rushing threat? Will Gholston also become a factor? These things are key."
Greg Said:
Wed, September 3, 2008 - 1:03pm ET"A few keys to the Jets making the playoffs. First, the performance of the O-line. Will Faneca and Woody provide leadership and solid performance? Will Manegold and Ferguson rally behind them? Will the pass rush become a factor? The key elements here would appear to be Pace and Gholston. Ellis might have a good season if the these 2 draw a lot of double teaming."
JOHNNYJET Said:
Wed, September 3, 2008 - 2:59pm ET"HEY RAY, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SEND MY SON AN AUTOGRAPHED PHOTO? LET ME KNOW AND I WIL GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS OK? ANY NEWS ON JOHN LYNCH?"
Randy Lange Said:
"JohnnyJet, this is Randy. Ray doesn't work in the Jets offices. You'll need to contact him through SportsNet New York."
Amir Ali Said:
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 2:56am ET"From the outside looking in there are at least 3 positions that need to be addressed... One is QB, why is there no interest in M. Vick or Leftwhich ? (Is it a salary cap issue...? Receiver - Houshmandzadeh, T.J. is a free agent - and a pass rusher, there's been no talk of at least two of the above...Why ? "
frank Said:
Sat, April 25, 2009 - 5:36pm ET"Ray I live in L.A. and I am a USC Alumni.. I am a HUGE JETS Fan!! I am a little concerned that Sanchez will take some time to develope if he fits into the system..I just hope he can be a Dan Marino that will take them to th promise land in his rookie year. Do you personally think Sanchez can win with the USC and now new JETS system? I know you speak your mind and I admire that from you.. "
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Frank Said:
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 2:04pm ET"Lucas you hit the nail on the head. Up to this point Mangini has not gotten the most out of his players in fact the opposite is true. If he has truely learned from the past as he claims then this year with his players will define who he is. Meshing all these big names and getting them to Jell is an arduous task for even the best HC's in the business let alone (Mangini) who is yet to prove himself"
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