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08/14 — Eric Mangini joked with reporters at today's news conference who wanted to know if it was now OK to ask non-Brett Favre questions — "We're hitting the limit," he said, then looking to PR director Bruce Speight, "Do we have a rule on this?"
But the Jets head coach did field questions about his QB depth chart below Favre and his answers were interesting.
Specifically when asked about Brett Ratliff having a chance to challenge Kellen Clemens for the No. 2 spot behind Favre, Mangini said Clemens will be the No. 2 QB for Saturday night's home preseason debut vs. the Washington Redskins.
"I've talked to Kellen, Brett and Erik [Ainge] about that and really it's no different," Mangini said. "As Brett improves and makes progress, he gets more reps. Kellen's reps are based up on how he does and Erik's reps are based on how he does."
But then does that mean Ratliff is challenging Clemens for the backup job once the regular-season opener at Miami arrives?
"It's Kellen's job right now and we're going to see how the rest of camp goes," he said. "Brett's done some things I've really liked. It's no different than when Kellen was first coming in and getting reps with the ones and twos.
"I've been happy with Brett. I've liked the way he's worked. But that doesn't mean I'm unhappy with Kellen. Erik has the least amount of reps. He's got a real opportunity with these show-team reps to make a case for himself. It's different, it's not our offense, but he can still go through the progressions."
Two other non-Favre questions and answers here. One was on the Jets' first defense in general at Cleveland and how they allowed the Browns to move 62 yards on nine plays to the Derek Anderson-to-Braylon Edwards TD. Concerned, Coach?
"What I wasn't really happy with was the first play," Mangini said of Jamal Lewis' 11-yard burst up the middle to get the drive rolling. "That's a play we studied a bunch of times. It was a function of not having the right fit. This was no huge game-plan-specific New York Jets play. It was about as milquetoast as you can get.
"I didn't like the initial fits and really the level of intensity on that play. It was nothing out of the ordinary. So that play was the play I didn't like. I thought things settled down after that. I thought the running game after that was pretty good."
Indeed, after Lewis' burst, the Browns managed 96 yards on 28 carries, 3.4 per carry, the rest of the night.
The other question was on top draft pick Vernon Gholston's progress.
"I think he's doing OK. The time he missed is affecting him. He's working postpractice, getting some extra experience there," Mangini said. "There are some times where you see the pass-rush ability, the raw power. He's got very strong hands, a great ability to control the line of scrimmage. And those traits just naturally come out, especially in a 1-on-1 drill where there's less processing. You want to see it translate into the game and into the practices. It'll come, it'll come."
One news element Mangini provided in his news event: Favre should get from 8-12 plays in his Jets debut against the Redskins.
"You just can't go in with a hard number because the game, especially in preseason, flows so differently," he said. "Usually you're trying to get 10 to 12 reps." Mangini added that Favre will stay in shorter or longer than the rest of the first offense.
In one (or is it two) transactions, former Penn State RB Rodney Kinlaw was waived but is now returning to the Jets. FB Justin Green was claimed on waivers from Baltimore but subsequently was released.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (51)Ira Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 2:49pm ET"Randy, Eric never thought he would have all these QB questions all summer. I feel it was Kellen's job to lose to Chad. So Kellen goes from competing with Chad for the #1 spot ,to then being #2 behind Favre. Now he is trying fight off Ratliff from taking that #2 spot and him being moved to #3. What a turn of events for Kellen and the coaching staff. Are the Jets a better team after all of this? Yes"
Ira Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 2:53pm ET"And getting back to Eric's comments on the Browns drive. I agree with him 100%. Lewis' 1st run was upsetting. Edwards' Td catch wasa great catch that Revis had perfect coverage on. The Lewis play was more concerning but like you said Randy, after that play 3.4 yds per rush is good.The jets lowest season total for a season since 2000 was 3.6 in 04.If the Jets hold teams to 3.4 per rush thats great."
Frustrated Jet Fan Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 3:09pm ET"More excuses from Mangini when will the Jets wake up to the fact that Mangini's defensive schemes don't work. Now there are no more excuses of not having the right personnel."
chris Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 3:18pm ET"that rodney kinlaw can really play im telling you the jets would make a big mistake if they let him go"
Pranit Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 3:29pm ET"Can someone please address this....Assume Favre does well this year (maybe playoffs?) and retires (he's hinted)...anyway, so brand new year (2009)..whos the QB? Clemens? (If Favre's healthy, he's not getting any playing time in 08)..and he was average in the last 8 games in 07...Ratlif is ok, but certainely not a starter...Even if we draft another one, years before he's ready..what am i missing?"
Ira Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 3:34pm ET"Randy, Getting back to reality sad story about McChesney's brother along with Elam's. God Bless them and their families."
mike Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 3:54pm ET"i am confused why eric ainge is not being given a chance to compete for the #2 spot. yes i do mean 2. he is a fifth round pick. 6th for qb's coming out of the draft. he must have talent. if brett favre gets the next 2 years. kellen starts give or take the following 5 seasons. where does eric fit in. the jets are surely not going to have promise in an 8th year man. Hey Randy, whats eric's future?"
Randy Lange Said:
"mike, I'm not even sure about my future."
Frank Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 4:23pm ET"Ira, Mr. Jet I love your loyalty but reality is the defense stunk last week. I made these comments last week and they got lost in the Favre hysteria. D couldn't stop the run, awful on third down(drives were continuosly kept alive) and couldn't defend the pass. By my count Revis had at least 3 completions on his side including the TD. Sorry but it looked the same as last year it better change quick"
JetStorm Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 4:31pm ET"Ira, You always have great comments, but I would like to address your last. To stop an offence at 3.4 yds running is not good enough. 3.4 X 3 downs is 10.2 yards...first down.. It's bend but dont break defence.. Not good enough... Stop the run and force the pass.. Get to the passer is the only way to win in this division... Lets learn this from the Giants.. The Super Bowl Giants."
MikeMc Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 5:14pm ET"FRANK, give Clev's WR's some credit, some plays on Revis including the TD were special, I do agree Miller struggled though. It will take several weeks to gel. We need to get Ellis& Harris back& Jenkins ,Pace & Gholston need to acclimate themselves to the system. This week FRANK I want you to only report on the positives, just for 1 week , lets get that blood pressure down a little, we'll be O.K. ."
MikeMc Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 5:24pm ET"To Fustrated jet fan- Why are you so fustrated? Look around the league , we're not that bad off. Mangini's defensive scheme worked pretty good in N.E. when he won a superbowl. You've got to believe, support & most of all enjoy the ride, your job doesn't depend on wins and losses, but Mangini's does, he's young and needs to be successful at all costs so he'll make the defense work, give it time."
C. Pennington Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 5:27pm ET"From the hightlights that I've seen of Eric, (member of Celtics Ainge family) he looks pretty good ( four year stater). As far as the defense when your not practicing at full speed (a.e Minnisota Vikings) full tackles on 11 on 11, your going to come out on the first play of the game a give up 11 yars up the gut."
C. Pennington Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 5:35pm ET"If your not practicing at game speed, you can’t expect to simply turn it on, on game day. I saw a lot of man coverage, I saw a lot of pulling up once a player was going down, the jets are not tough (Marvin Jones & Mo Lewis) I bumped in to Rhodes in 40/40 and toll him he was the man, but he has to bring the WOOD every play (e.g. Rodney Harrison). He can befriend his opponent, the defense players ar"
cynic Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 5:43pm ET"Give the defense a break.Our Nose Tackle is new to the "Two-Gap" He must learn to read blocking schemes quickly,to understand which of his "Gaps"will be attacked.He must also take on two blockers most of the time! With a four-three a DT has only one gap responsibility,most of the time.There's less of a necessity be analytical for a tackle in a 4-3 D. He'll learn and will shut down the middle."
Frank Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 5:47pm ET"MikeMc and a few others around here are guilty of the same malady...selective reading. I have just as many good things to say along with my critcism. I did say the pass blocking was a highlight I also raved about Ratliff and Clowney so pay attention dude. When the team performs badly I will be all over it especially after last years debacle and all the money spent to repair it. "
#1dolphinsfan Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 6:56pm ET"now we got chad the only halfway decent jet i hope you guys can stomach another 4-12 season "
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 8:38pm ET"I Dont know if u guys do realize, that defenses play base formations throughout the preseason, so they dont give too much away for video, but i guess some ppl expect alot the entire time."
jet80 Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 8:51pm ET"#dolphinsfan u should be postin your hope we get more then one win comments on your losing teams page.Chad is the only winner on your team of bottom of the barrel players and misfit coaches.he knows that and will most likely play average on purpose to soak up that nice deal you gave him.you traded all your players that new how to play football.marino probably threw away all his dolphin nostalgia"
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 9:00pm ET"Frank, quick question, is there a certain sense of joy and accomplishment that you get by complaining?"
Rich Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 9:21pm ET"First off, dolphins fan who r u to say anything coming off a 1 win season haha. i doubt u guys will win any of the 2 games vs. us this season. Second THANK YOU pranit... i have been thinking about that also. I know we should just enjoy brett this yr but also cant just plan things one yr at a time esp at QB position. Also, good point jetstorm we need to shut down rush in order to improve pass d. "
Drew Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 10:33pm ET"Do Dolphins fans realize they won 1 game last year? Also did anyone mention that they lost there 2 best defensive players? Oh by the way Dolphin fans Bill Parcells is not your coach. He is the VP of operations...whatever that means. Try beating the Jets once in a while and then come to our site and run your mouths. Week 1 should be fun ......80% Jets fans to watch Pennington take a beating!!!"
Drew Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 10:50pm ET"Hey Ced, As much as Frank and I disagree the Jets gave him a lot of ammo with last years results. I think we are all expecting a big turn around this year. "
Rileyt08 Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 11:36pm ET"Do the Jets have enough depth at wide receiver to run 5 wide at times this year? Brett was very effective with that set at Green Bay last year, but they had 5 very talented wide receivers. Brady used it as well. Also, have they been running any two tight end sets in practise?"
JP Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 12:21am ET"Don't worry about the defense - give it some time, I agree that we are not going to show all of our cards at once...it is just not wise. Preseason is for the "gel" action action to occur between players, coaches, etc. Also, there are new players on both sides of the ball. If we get to week 5 or 6 and we see unacceptable behavior, then complain as much as you want!"
JP Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 12:23am ET"I wouldn't worry about your job Randy - Ted Thompson is not your boss :)"
Ira Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 7:58am ET"Frank, Relax it was the 1st preseason game and they were playing just a basic type of defense. No game planning and i am not worried about Revis at all. His is one of the top CB' in the league right now.And on the Edwards TD catch Revis had perfect coverage on the play. Edwards made a great one handed catch with his back to the QB. Sometimes that happens. It wasn't like Revis blew the coverage."
Frank Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 8:26am ET"Cedric my response to you, MikeMc and the others is simple. Your self proclaimed term "complaining" is to make you and your friends feel better about the teams deficiences. What I say is critical analysys based on facts and knowledge I win the argument in the arena of ideas and analysys. You and your buddies need to get educated and pay attention to what's happening on the field and counter..."
Frank Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 8:31am ET"...my argument with your own critical analysys that disproves my criticism. Instead of relying on misguided blind "green loyalty" you and your buddies like to resort to attacking me instead of acknowledging the deficiency. This notion of holding back on the defense is comical. You either stop the run or you don't you either defend the pass or you don't. With a defense that has stunk for 2 years..."
Frank Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 8:49am ET"...and with a bunch of new defenders the team spent a fortune on there is no luxury of holding things back. This defense needs a lot of work playing together in real games not touch football at practice. All the areas I critcized after the Browns game were the same areas the team stuggled with the last 2 years. The team has started the season poorly under Mangini that can't happen again this year."
Ken Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 10:45am ET"Frank, Ira. I have to admit the JETS 1ST team Defense didn't look very good against Cleveland. Actually Cleveland did move the ball down the field pretty easy againt the 1ST team JETS defense. But like IRA said, it is the preseason. And they are experimenting with the defense. And it was a basic JETS defense. But the JETS Defensive Line still needs to put pressure & HOLD the Defensive Line."
Ken Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 11:22am ET"I just heard that JUSTIN MILLER might START in the JETS defensive secondary. I not to sure about JUSTIN MILLER. Miller did not look very good against Cleveland. Miller got burned several time against the Cleveland WRs. I remember last yr that Justin Miller just looked SLOW against the WRs. I understand ERIC base a lot on what he see in practice, but REAL GAME results is what really matters."
1-15 ha ha ha Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 11:32am ET"Little fishy fans! First of all you went 1-15 last year! You picked a broken noodle arm QB who can't throw a ball over 20 yrds. We swept flipper last year and we will do it again this year! Flipper can only hope to win 1 or 2 games this year and they won't be against the JETS! Try to get your losing franchise to get posting ability and stay off our radar! I can't wait to crush flipper!"
Murph Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 12:14pm ET"Randy, I certainly hope they take a good look at all 3 backup QB's since 1 of them is gonna be next years starter. If Farve doesn't learn enough of the offense and regresses to his gunslinging ways look for 20 INT's this year and Ira you feel Clemens had the job to lose...please...he probably won't be # 2 by the end of preseason he's too inconsistent and still makes bad decisions. "
Ken Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 12:49pm ET"Just a correction to my JUSTIN MILLER comment. I said I remember last yr that Justin Miller just looked SLOW against the WRs. Of course Justin Miller only play in 2 games with the JETS last year. But in those 2 games he didn't look good. Sorry about that one. I also want to see what ANGIE can do as QB. I just don't think Clemens is progressing, considering he had MORE reps & game experience."
Frank Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 12:59pm ET"Ken you mean 2 years ago JM was on IR last year. Two years ago he made the pro bowl as a returner but was awful as a CB. Supposedly he plays well in practice but like last week he was awful vs. Browns so we'll see what happens. Some guys are practice tigers and come up small in real games. The same can be said of guys who don't practice well but are terrific in games and thats what really counts."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 1:52pm ET"Looks like i hit a nerve, notice throughout our disagreements anytime that I or anyone else made a valid point or analysis you, ignore the post, if u really look at the post i do use facts not just blind loyalty. I'm not saying the Defense looked good but the FACTS are that defenses play Basic Formation in the preseason, u might wanna do some research on that. I rip them when need be..."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 1:58pm ET"Frank, anytime somebody challenges u with facts u either ignore the post or claims the facts are wrong, believe it or not, your facts arent the only facts in the world & sometimes u can stand corrected, or give someone credit for jousting with u with a valid point...i critique them just like u do, i have just as much facts(if not more) to support my argument, but i keep in mind that..."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 2:10pm ET"Im one Fan, and being down on my team on a blog site will not make them worse or better, so u say the defense was bad in the 1st preseason game, would u like a doggy biscuit for that assessment? I'm not a blind loyal person, but maybe i'm wrong for thinkin the Jets are trying whatever they can to get it right after a 4-12 season & please dont insult my football IQ again, i didnt insult yours."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 2:14pm ET"Drew, The Jets did give Frank ammo after the 4-12 last season, but they gave him enough bandages to believe that they'll be better. U dont hear me running around the site saying, 12-4, 11-5, or superbowl because every sunday is different no matter how much talent u have. If that was the case, Pats shouldve been the Champs."
Frank Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 4:00pm ET"Cedric I answer every post directed to me whether it's valid or not. I am right significantly more than I am wrong. I will however from now on make a point of saying I'm wrong when it is obvious. Please I'm on a diet give my doggy biscuit to my Chihuaha (Drew) thank you. By the way when they remove the bandaids we'll see if the wounds are healed or if we'll need a mummy wrap for Tangini!"
Row Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 4:43pm ET"I miss Herm quotes, "You play to win the game". "
MikeMc Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 5:37pm ET"Cedric, talk about hitting a nerve I think Frank hit yours. Personally I find it comical, Frank your passionate as most are but I don't recall many positives in your posts , I'll look more carefully. I choose to look at the glass as half full, but that may change as the season wears on. One thing we can agree on is GO JETS"
MikeMc Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 5:56pm ET"ROW thanks for the kind words, but I don't see Frank & Spicer agreeing with you. The only thing I do miss about Herm is his press conferences, he was truly brutal in his game mgmt. , but a very likable personality. Hey dolphinfan, you crack me up, I think the jets are like 16-4 against the fish the past 20 gms. It seems Mangini has lightened Brett's load the past few days, over cautious?"
Frank Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 9:16pm ET"MikeMc I'll send you some green rimmed reading glasses if yu like!"
JP Said:
Fri, August 15, 2008 - 9:39pm ET"Great discussion, guys! Spoken like true Jet fans!"
MikeMc Said:
Sat, August 16, 2008 - 11:11am ET"Thanks for the offer Frank but I already have a pair, as a matter of fact being a "Mc" I'm green through & through, yes I even have "blind green loyalty" but whether I'm at the game or watching it I always TIVO it. I watch the live action & just enjoy it, then later in the week I review the plays several times with my green glasses off exposing the good,bad & ugly. It bridges the gap between games"
Gunner Said:
Sat, August 16, 2008 - 12:25pm ET"I have been a Packer fan from the Milwaukee area since the first day Brett stepped onto the field. I have hardly missed a single game when he was here. Now that you have him, I can't wait until the Jets play. I am always reading your news stories and blogs. It's great to see that you have embraced. him. He will give you EVERYTHING he has to win and will be very exciting to watch.Wish we still him"
Anonymous Said:
Sat, August 16, 2008 - 12:36pm ET"In response to RileyT....Clearly 5 WR sets will not be used many times in a game for any team, but the Jets do have the talent to do it...Coles and Cotchery have talent, and we saw what Clowney can do. Chansi Stucki has gelled nicely with Favre, and we cannot forget about Dustin Keller. The guy was a First Round Pick and is a great reciever. He would definitely be employed in a 5 WR set."
Row Said:
Mon, August 18, 2008 - 4:31am ET"Ya, MikeMc, just the press conferences on Herm. In your defense, the D did look sloppy as they should have, Gholston was wandering around, but seemed fast from the outside. I also noticed he was lining down and very wide as he did in college. Miller is definitely not slow, he just saw the receiver turn his shoulders and drove to get a pick, but the receiver kept running. "
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John Kozlich Said:
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 2:34pm ET"Favre is the quarter back, thats all you need, the rest of the Jets are well poised to make this a good year for the New York Jets, all have trained hard and I wish them all the best."
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