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File Under: Chad Pennington, Eric Mangini, Kellen Clemens, ESPN Radio, Boomer Esiason, Calvin Pace, WFAN, Mike Greenberg, Trey Wingo
07/22 — Eric Mangini made the rounds this morning — the radio rounds in New York. And try as Mike and Mike (with Trey Wingo in for Mike Golic) and Boomer Esiason (with Chris Carlin in for Craig Carton) tried, the Jets' head coach was not going to publicly declare his starting quarterback two days before the first full-squad practice of training camp.
"Who starts for you under center when you take on Miami in Week 1, Kellen Clemens or Chad Pennington?" Wingo asked with ESPN New York tact.
"That's basically why we have training camp," Mangini said. "And they'll work through training camp, both will get an equal shot to prove they should be the starter. And I'll make a decision within the timeframe."
Mike Greenberg chimed in with a question that articulated the concerns of a lot of fans and probably a few players as well: "How quickly do you feel it would be best for the team to make that decision if it's something that goes pretty much right to the start of the season? Do you foresee that could come with some problems as well as benefits?"
But Mangini wasn't buying what Greenie was selling.
"I think that having both guys work with the first group is always helpful because you don't know what's going to happen through the course of the season," the coach said. "We do that with every position. We work in different combinations of people. ... You want that experience so it's something that you can transition to a lot easier."
A few minutes later, Esiason, on his WFAN Radio morning show, offered his perspective as a former Jets QB.
"I actually lived through it a bit, Coach — and it's not easy for the players, either," Boomer said about a quarterback controversy in the NY market. "What are you looking for in terms of deciding who's going to be your starting quarterback on opening day against the Miami Dolphins?"
"It's going to be who I think gives us the best chance to operate offensively, to be able to move the football on a consistent basis and to be able to score," Mangini responded. "There's no checklist of criteria that I have. It's sort of like when you decide to get married — you just know."
The other topic that seemed to most pique the interests of both radio teams was the presence of Calvin Pace at outside linebacker. To Wingo's question about Pace possibly being a "one-year contract guy" after a strong 2007 for the Cardinals, Mangini said:
"Last season when we looked at Calvin, he was playing in a '34' system primarily, so we were able to see him in that. We really liked the things he did in that system. There's a lot of things to like about him. Athletically, he's fluid, he's big, he's got good instincts, a good burst. And I really like the person a lot — a smart guy and a hard-working guy. So I'm enjoying him."
Then when Esiason asked the coach to "compare him to a player in your days with the New England Patriots," Mangini sight-adjusted seamlessly.
"It's actually more like a player when I was with the Jets," he said of his first stay on a Green & White staff from 1997-99. "He reminds me of Mo Lewis, that bigger, fluid player that can do a lot of different things well."
Two last nuggets from the radio mines this morning. To Boomer, Mangini said DT Kris Jenkins "will be around the 360 range," but repeated his observation from OTAs: "Kris, as big as he is, is extremely athletic. ... He makes that size look good."
And for those who want to dwell on 4-12 rather than '08, Mangini offered this to Greenberg:
"The one thing that's great about the NFL is that every season is unique, so it really doesn't matter what happened the previous year. You see it season after season. We're excited about this year and that's what we're working for, and there's a really good feeling in the building."
The feeling outside the building is good as well. We'll bring you a shorter reporter later this afternoon on the Jets vets checking into their dorms two days in advance of the first full-squad practices of training camp, which will commence with Thursday's morning practice.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (45)uncle joe Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 3:04pm EDT"I cant believe training camp is finally here.Before we go foward I must thankyou again Mr.Great Randy Sir and your crew for getting us through another long hard offseason.Your greatness is unmatched and perhaps you'll never fully understand the sainity you bring us.NOW LETS GO KICK SOME NFL YOU KNOW WHAT BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Howard Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 3:59pm EDT"damn sorry i missed the interviews,but it sounds as though it was a typical coach interview,talk with out saying anything.but i love listening to the media types try to worm things out of the coach and the gm.this is going to be a great season.CANT WAIT TO KICK IT OFF"
Ira Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 4:46pm EDT"Randy , Good interviews on the radio this morning. Whatever happens with the QB's could all change. Francesa has been talking Farve since 3pm and it sure sounds like the Jets are looking at the possibilty of trading for him. Mike agreed with me last week that Farve was not for the Jets and they have no interest. Now he has made a complete turn around and was trying to sell the move."
Sefta Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 5:11pm EDT"Favre to the Jets sounds really intriguing. I have been dreaming about it since the whole Favre fiasco started. Randy, do you thinks the Jets can pull it off?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Sefta, thanks for asking but I can't say. What do you all think?"
Row Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 5:20pm EDT"This shows poor team management by Mr. T. I don't appreciate what is going on with Baker, and I don't like the controversy under center. Make the call Mr. T, because Mangini will not say anything to reporters. 42 million to Pace. 6 mil guaranteed to Keller, 1.65 to Franks(1yr), Baker is the lowest paid TE on the Jets. If Mangini was the number three paid coach on the Jets, he'd be upset too!"
Rob Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 5:44pm EDT"Hey Randy about Farve, I don't think questions is 'could'...but 'should' and the answers is screamingly NO. But thats my opinion."
rod Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 6:20pm EDT"Favre givs the JETS a better chance to win now. With the jets upgrade at o-line , favre will have more time to make the big plays the JETS have been missing for the last several years, it also means Favre will not need to be as moble as Pennington and Clemens have had to be the last 2-3 seasons. Favre is what the JETS need to make a run at the EAST. Operation "GET FAVRE" is a go!"
michael Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 6:32pm EDT"i hope all the jet's management is thinking FARVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Dunnie Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 6:59pm EDT"It depends on what we have to give up ... if its a 5th rounder and Chad then I am OK with that."
ant Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 7:01pm EDT"I would think that Farve would be a great fit for a team that has never seen a MVP in that position since 68. Break down and spend some money."
Ira Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 7:03pm EDT"Randy, After talking and listening to Mike on WFAN today i think this is a done deal and he is coming to the Jets. I just can't believe its possible. A one year fix? No way would Favre give them 2 years. He can't make his mind up from 1 year to the next. Sure he would be fun to watch but i don't think this is a good move for the team unless they want to move Chad now and have Kellen sit still."
Scott Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 7:40pm EDT"What is with all the nonsense about Favre? And why all the negative talk about Chad? You guys sound like a bunch of Dolphins "fans." We have two excellent QBs now who know our system. Remember Derek Anderson? Garrard? Who liked them at this time last year?"
MikeMc Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 8:31pm EDT"Ira, I'm tired of Francesca thinking he has the power of the people and is able to get coaches fired, hired or players signed. He's been doing this for close to 20 yrs and I hope Tangini can see past this year and what Farve would do to the locker room. I just watched the NFC champ. game again and several times Favre through into triple coverage, and don't forget his last pass was a pick in O.T."
MikeMc Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 8:42pm EDT"Ira, you said you think its a done deal? No information leaks out of Hofstra, do you think the jets are talking to Mike of all people , he's always down on the jets and hasn't had any inside info since the Tuna left. He would love Farve here just for the circus it would bring. I'm with you 100% I don't want any part of Farve only because of his age, I want a winner for the long haul, no rentals."
matt Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 8:53pm EDT"i wuld love 2 c favre in green and white.idk wat happens wen he retires in a year.do we draft a QB?do we go with the not-so-great clemens or chad?chad is nearing the end of his career,clemens isnt guna b a big name in the NFL ever,altho i wuld love that,so wat do we do then?randy wat do u think?"
matt Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 9:07pm EDT"but i think this is guna b darren mcfadden al ovr again 4 the jets...we want him,its guna happen,but it gets screwed up,n we get the othr guy...in this case its we want favre,it looks like we r the team that gets him,n sumone snags em away from us...then we go with kellen or chad...but evry othr position we hav a good player,!n randy do u kno anything about curtis martin being n owner? GO JETS!!!"
Randy Lange Said:
"I've heard nothing new, matt, about Curtis Martin becoming an NFL owner."
Joe Willie Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 9:23pm EDT"Why negativity on Chad? How about he CANT THROW. How about embarrassing the Jets by prompting an announcer during a NATIONAL telecast to say that his daughter can throw harder. How about that his dinks dunks, and floaters are useless at 3rd and 15. How about those floaters getting the wr's killed. How about 8 men in the box cause he CANT THROW How about no outs or anthing but fades in the red zone"
Kelly Turner Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 9:41pm EDT"Randy and all other Jets' Fans... Brett Favre should be wearing green and WHITE instead of green and yellow this year. Looking at the Jets' roster, they are fairly solid with running backs, receivers and line positions. The one spot that needs to be filled is the quarterback. The Jets need a consistent QB to go deep. Clemens needs grooming for the future and who better for this job than Brett"
M.Jags Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 9:44pm EDT"Randy, How come, on the eve of two-a-days no one has asked Mangini about hte status of Gholston and getting him in to camp on time. Seems like a big issue to not come up, huh?"
Randy Lange Said:
"M.Jags, a fair point but never fear, the question will be asked."
wolffster Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 10:23pm EDT"We have to se what Clemmins can do in an offensive system designed around his style of play. Last year he was forced to play the Chad way of throwing short passes. He had the one flea flicker that started a gam and Schottenheimer never went back to it. Kellin needs to play a more vertical game."
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 10:28pm EDT"U guys want the most selfish player in the league (farve) 2play for the Jets, U guys R ridiculous, U fans R in a Lose now mentality, he'll get killed in the AFC. & this isnt a W.Coast offense. I almost smashed laptop lookin at the "Farve to Jets" move. He's aint playn 4us, he's playing for himself. We're entitled to our opinions, but sometimes you guys make me sick...sorry Randy "
CEDRIC Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 10:36pm EDT"ROW, get over Baker he's on the PUP list & now he cant say nothing because he's worth what he's paid now, especially since he's injured. Now we will pay a hobbled TE, how smart would that be?...Yeah i'm Back...And What?! "
EYEH8DAPATS Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 11:45pm EDT"Has the world gone insane! Bret farve is done! If he is a Jets I will go outside and throw up! ( as every Jets fan should do if that happened) Kellen can get the job done! Do you all forget how bad our O-line was last year? P. Manning could not have won more than 5 games! Bret farvray would be the biggest mistake the Jets ever made! NO FARVRAY PLEASE KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THIS GREAT TEAM!"
EYEH8DAPATS Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 11:54pm EDT"Ok so farvray is tough I'll give him that but, just maybe we should all have faith in the GREEN AND WHITE and the people on the roster. Farve is showing no loyalty to the team he has been on for 15 yrs. I hope the Jets know that they do not need that type of person on the team. J E T S JETS JETS JETS"
Sbolen Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 12:35am EDT"I am sorry guys but I think the whole Favre thing is ridiculous. The guy is 39 and an interception machine. If mgt. would make this move I think team chemistry would stink. They need to settle the Baker issue one way or another. I think Favre is a selfish and arrogant!! Doesn't sound like a good fit to me. I think you stunt Clemens as well with a deal for Favre. Better off with KC or CP Sorry!!"
JohnnyCool Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 12:48am EDT"Favre + Sheppard = Championship. We need to step it up n make it happen. Can you imagine what Favre would do for our offense and having Sheppard across from Revis? "
grsgrk Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 1:38am EDT"Come on people, you think Farve is our answer? I still think Clemens can do it, he just needs his own season, and with a line that can actually give him time. This is his chance as long as he proves it in the next couple of weeks. Farve would need to transition from the team he basically ran, and for how many years? No offense Mr Farve, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks."
grsgrk Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 1:50am EDT"And let's say that he and the team transition, and we don't go all the way, because if you pick up Farve the assumption is that he'll take us there, what do we do if he finally decides to retire after that. The team overextends itself financially for a decent season, and Clemens misses out on a whole season of experience with a reformed team that could be great for many seasons."
Pranit Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 7:59am EDT"WHERE'S GHOLSTON????.....About Favre, no way....If the Jets get Favre, it'll just mean the jets are never going to become a solid winning football team..."
anthony chechilo Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 8:25am EDT"I agree Brett Favre was good in his prime we should believe in the Jets i really believe they could make the playoffs this year they will be much improved on both sides of the ball give Mangini a chance he is a very good coach last year was last year this is a new year for us."
die hard jet fan Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 10:32am EDT"Farve is the answer. Quick fix, 40 years of waiting i don't care. I don't want be like the red sox or cubs. I want to win now and Pennington is done and Clemens didn't impress me either. Trade them both for Farve and let Ainge get some experience. I'm getting old and I'm tired of waiting til next year. "
GIOVANNI Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 11:49am EDT"NO WAY SHOULD WE GO AFTER FAVRE,HE IS A 1YEAR SOLUTION IF THAT,WE HAVE 2 CAPEPALBE QBS ON THE TEAM.CHAD SHOULD WIN THE QB JOB BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE WITH A BETTER OLINE CHAD SHOULD FLORISH,+ WE ARE GOING TO BE PLAYING SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL .AND WHO ELSE IS BETTER THAT CHAD WITH THE PLAYFAKE,I SEE THE JETS GO 11-5 +PLAYOFFS,MAYBE EVEN AFC EAST CHAMPS,WE WILL BEAT THE PATS 2 TIME THIS YEAR,GO JETS"
Ablity Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 12:44pm EDT"last year clemons show me that he can be a great qb in this leauge but last year, because of our o-line and lack of speed and playmaker at WR, there was no way he could had been susseful, its throw thats chad cannot make, and you want a qb that can makw any thrown no matter who he is. we should start the season with clemons because if we dont no who he is this year, we'll neva no.GET VERN IN CAMP!"
hemmz Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 1:49pm EDT"come on everyone knows clemens and pennington arent the guy for this franchise if the jets grab favre he wont be a long term guy, but there is a few good guys besides teboe coming out of college next year. if favre were to come for a year maybe even ainge could get a chance next year. besides what have they got to lose another 4-12 season maybe that could get a great hof like favre"
ryan Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 1:57pm EDT"hey randy show all these comments to mangini maybe some of these comments will show him that most people dont want chad or clemens they want a qb like favre "
D CORCORAN Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 2:00pm EDT"It's the start of another disapointing season when you have a coach who cannot make decisions for a team that he is holding on to the reigns of. Hey Mangini why don't you win back the fans with another explosive season that put us in the play-offs a couple years back. Let's get this QB thing figured out and get the team on board for some wins! Don't make us think you rode in on Herm's coat tails. "
James Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 2:10pm EDT"It's all Chad in 2008! He finally (hopefully) has the tools around him to be a winner again. That's the plan, so lets stick to it!"
Die hard Jet Fan Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 2:46pm EDT"You guys are crazy. Pennington cant spread the defense with maybe 45 yard arm, and clemens might have the heart but so did pennington. Yes the line is better and coles is more than enough receiver for me they just cant lead him like Farve could. Our receivers are very good the QB's just cant make the throws."
dave h Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 2:57pm EDT"we have two fine qbs in cp and kc, last year I called for kc, and lot of fans said it wasnt the qb and they were right, but kc did get some valuable playing time . Im still for kc getting the start, and chad in back up, (especially with a pay cut) with a revamped o line and defense, and some better play calling we're in good shape, brett will look better in retirement then in g&w, b&g or whatever!"
Sefta Said:
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 4:05pm EDT"I think we NEED to go after Favre. Even if it is for 1 year. We are only going to get about one more year out of Chad anyway and Favre>Chad. Release Chad (save about 6 million??) and Go after FAVRE!!! If we get Favre, I think we are (should I even dream of saying this) Super Bowl Contenders!"
john Said:
Sun, July 27, 2008 - 7:11pm EDT"if we get favre, thats great, but i think leon deserves alot more time than he got last year, he is also more productive than jones"
chris Said:
Tue, July 29, 2008 - 12:37am EDT"long time jets fan love the o line moves i agree with John i think leon deserves alot more but i know the run game will be great this year if Jones and Leon work together and that o line is as good as it looks on paper"
chris Said:
Tue, July 29, 2008 - 12:43am EDT"I love the o line moves, it all starts in the trenches fellas. I agree with John that Leon deserves more, but i think you will see a little more of the old tommy jones this year behind a good o line. This should help the starting QB who ever that may be. "
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MikeMc Said:
Tue, July 22, 2008 - 2:46pm EDT"I heard our coach live this morning and it was alot of the same cryptic emptiness that he is extremely proficient at. Mangini did praise Clemens alot when pryed by Boomer which I read as Pennington is there to compete and take the job only in the event of a Kellen collapse or injury. I expect Chad to be traded by the third preseason game or asked to take a pay cut, which could mean his release."
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