Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Adam Schein, Chris Baker, Brian Schottenheimer, Jeremy Shockey, Eric Parker
06/25 — This is the silly time of the year, when football writers and electronic personalities have no raw meat, no fresh input to sell to their customers. And so they make up trades.
Nothing wrong with this. It's what fans do every day of the week, even in summer, from the bars to the rec rooms to the water coolers. (Do folks still gather around water coolers in offices anymore? Just asking.)
Here are two scenarios offered up by respectable media outlets in the last day or two. I present them to you without prejudice, to generate comment from you Radar operators out there who aren't on vacation yet. And I will give full credit to either writer if his trade comes true.
To be fair to SNY Loudmouth and Jets insider Adam Schein, he's not predicting trades in his Foxsports.com think piece, only declaring that he sees "nine off-season moves that must be made." And one of them involves the Jets.
Schein reflects on reports from the Left Coast that Chargers WR Eric Parker will be traded before training camp. His assertion: that Parker fits in New York with the Jets.
"Remember, Parker was with Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer when the Jets OC was coaching in San Diego. New York needs a third receiver behind Jerricho Cotchery and Laveranues Coles. Brad Smith is currently that option, and he still has a ways to go as a receiver."
Schein's conclusion: Parker is worth a late-day-two draft pick from the Jets.
Then from out of left field, J.P. Pelzman, my able successor on the Jets beat, dissects an impossible trade between stadium mates in today's Bergen Record. Pelz sees a disgruntled Jets tight end in Chris Baker and a disgruntled Giants TE in Jeremy Shockey. And you can see this one coming down Route 17 and heading for the Meadowlands.
"What would happen if the Jets and Giants swapped unhappy tight ends?" he writes.
Actually, Pelzman concludes, such a deal probably wouldn't work. "But that doesn't make speculating about it any less fun."
Any thoughts on these trades or others, Green & White fans, before you head off for your theme parks and your margaritas?
Hicks Makes the Hall
Congratulations to DL Eric Hicks, who spent nine seasons in Chiefs red and contributed to last year's Jets effort — he was inducted Tuesday night into the Erie chapter of the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame.
"I had 10 great years," Hicks said in today's Erie Times-News. "I started over 100 games and played in almost 140, so I came a long way from 'little Erie,' as people always say, all the way to the highest level of competition in the world. It was exciting."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (28)Dunnie Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 11:01am EDT"While I can definitely see the Parker deal happening, I hope it doesn't. Parker is a 2nd tier WR. We are stock full of 2nd tier WRs. I don't see how it helps us at all. Not worth any picks in my opinion. Maybe a 7th rounder."
Ira Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 12:27pm EDT"Schein says the Bills are looking for a veteran RB to back up Lynch. Well i hate to say this but Jordan would be perfect for that role if he would except being a backup He is a northeast player.. At this stage of his career i wouldn't see why. The Bills on paper are going to be a good team and i think they will make a run for the playoffs. Bills,Jets and Pats could all be in the playoffs this year."
billvv Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 4:13pm EDT"I think they just ran out of things to say and flat made them up. Saying they need to be made is just sports journalism 101."
EYEH8DAPATS Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 5:23pm EDT"As long as the Jets don't trade for anybody in the pats camp I will be fine with any trade. Please get rid of Baker before camp. All these players get paid well enough they need to be professional football players not professional crybabies. They need to be worrying about how to beat the pats and not about their paychecks. Try doing my job for $15 per hour and see how you like that payday. PLAY!"
frank Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 7:08pm EDT"What about instead of a trade, the jets signed FA Daunte Culpepper to a one year deal, this would really increase the quarterback "competition" and give Daunte the chance to earn his job instead of having it given to him. This also helps the speculators that complain and say "Chad doesnt have arm strength" and the rest that say "Clemens doesnt have enough experience to win". Just my thought though"
kimosabe Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 7:48pm EDT"Simply put...Baker wants a divorce from the JETS ( like P.Kendall )..that's fine..make him buy out his contract...he owes 2 years worth of salary plus the extra mil. he received last year..We have no need for crybabies !!"
Fran'scan Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 9:05pm EDT"it may be the humidity but Parker to the Jets is almost as bad as Shockey for Baker. We have stuckey, smith & henry. I am sure one or a combination of them will fill that role nicely. No need to trade any picks for that. As for the TE situation, I hope we resolve Baker. Bubba will likely get injured & then we will have only inexperienced TE's. The value of A complete TE must not be underestimated!"
CirclesMan Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 9:08pm EDT"I Agree with most of you ..... the players should shut up and play !!! They make millions of dollars to play a sport they and we all love. If you love the sport play it, if you dont love the sport and are just in it for the money well then move along get a regular job and let someone who loves the sport play."
Jesse Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 9:20pm EDT"I can see C.Baker being traded to the Saints or possibly the Titans since V.Young doesn't have any targets besides Crumpler who has health issues for a 6th pick going up to a 4th rd pick if he produces. Eric Parker and the Shockey trade , now that's funny! Shockey can go to the Cowboys with the rest of the drama queens for all I care. "
Tony B Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 10:38pm EDT"Let me clarify somrthing so that guys can stop incorrectly stop making inaccurate statements. The x tra mil the Jets reportedly gave Baker was actually a rostyer bonus due to him in Mar. 08 The Jets came to him ask asked him would he would take it early because it would help them with the salary cap.So the 650,000 he received he would have gotten anyway 3 months later not because of good faith."
mloria Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 11:37pm EDT"Frank, thank you. Why are the Jets not jumping all over Culpepper. with our situation at QB, I can't understand why we wouldn't take a chance on him. I mean, this guy was a top 5 QB just 3 years ago, and I think that with his Knee fully healed, if he can be 85% of what he was then he will easily beat out KC and CP."
Dunnie Said:
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 1:26am EDT"You know what Frank ... i agree ... i cant believe we have not brought Culpepper or Leftwich into camp. Seems like any competition is good competition."
mark Said:
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 7:02am EDT"The TE situation is a joke and should be ignored. The quarterback sitch is also a non-issue (all 3 are good if the OL holds)! The deep threat wide receiver is an issue and Parker is the answer! And finally, we don't need Ty! "
Hogan Said:
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 9:22am EDT"did anyone notice Baker says the team asked him to advance to help on this years cap, then said they would give a bigger contract the same year they needed help for. Can anyone explain how that makes any sence. I think Bakers old agent messed it all up. Also the Jets would never hire a prob. child like Shock. "
kimosabe Said:
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 10:18am EDT"Tony B..I stand corrected ( bonus money ) but the point I was trying to make is..Honor the contract you signed ! Your performance will dictate any future salary requirements...Baker needs another year of progress..."
Philip Said:
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 12:43pm EDT"Baker and Shockey need a change of scenery, not a change of colors. Both need out of NY, so a trade between the two teams makes little sense. "
Row Said:
Thu, June 26, 2008 - 7:58pm EDT"Baker does not need a change in scenery. In all actuality he is probably in the top 5 for TE's with the 41 catches he had. Gonzalez is about to retire, veap or whatever was hurt along with Shockey. Why would we get another TE, trade out of the second and third rounds for a rookie TE, when we have a good one? I see a poor GM. If Mr. T wanted him moved, he should have moved him before the draft! "
EYEH8DAPATS Said:
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 4:01am EDT"Randy, Did Chris Baker receive an early roster bonus or an advance on his regular pay? I have heard both...... Could you please clear up this question. Thank you. "
Randy Lange Said:
"Sorry, EYEH8DAPATS, I can't discuss player contract matters. But you can find information about that online and from fellow Jets fans."
oldtimegreen Said:
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 1:04pm EDT"There's still water coolers around, but bottled water has hit the industry hard. Have never been prouder to be a Jets fan. We have a Jets Core Values system in place. (Yes, that's right, "We.") Shockey does not qualify. Shine on Schein, always. He never fails to remind us of his first name. In relating his (non-recorded) player interviews the player always prefaces comments with, "Adam." "
eazyindiana Said:
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 1:16pm EDT"I am an avid jets fan stuck in Indiana, I've watched keller play just down the road at Purdue. Forget about chris baker think about Justin Keller"
Bill Said:
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 6:20pm EDT"Wow, Randy! I just saw the awesome videos of Mark Gastineau in the History section of the website. I can remember Shea Stadium and the Meadowlands going completely crazy every time he sacked the quarterback which was quite often! Does he currently have any affiliation with the Jets organization at all? I know Marty Lyons is the color commentator for the Jets."
Randy Lange Said:
"Bill, Mark Gastineau has no formal affiliation with the Jets that I am aware of, although he still attends some training camp practices and games."
Dave Said:
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 8:03pm EDT"I agree gentlemen, Gastineau was amazing. Hopefully Gholston can give us an unstoppable pass rush like #99 did for so long. J-E-T-S!"
TYREEK Said:
Sun, June 29, 2008 - 10:15am EDT"wow i dont know what tree some of you guys fell off but you need to stop with the KC is the answer crap .last time i checked in the bengles game chad threw a 57 yard pass to coles that was from the line to the endzone , yea it had air under it but ir got their . point is he had time to throw deep , and for all you who blame chad . i dont think chad went out on defense and blew leads to giants etc"
Ben Said:
Mon, June 30, 2008 - 8:44pm EDT"Tyreek, that's dumb to say KC isn't the answer but Pennington is. Pennington is washed up and fragile as an egg! We need to start KC."
Mark the Spark Said:
Mon, June 30, 2008 - 11:19pm EDT"Bottom line is that KC has way more upside than Chad: Every QB struggles within their first few seasons all the greats alike. No one has given KC any type of learning curve. The guy can make any throw that is desired at this level and as much as I like Chad every team in the league questions his arm strength which results in 8 man fronts which in turn impacts the running game.You gotta go with KC"
GIOVANNI Said:
Fri, July 4, 2008 - 7:08am EDT"YES WE NEED BAKER,BUT THE WAY HE IS HANDLING THIS SITUATION IS VERRY UNPROFETIONAL,HE SHOUL SHOW UP,PLAY THE YEAR LET IS STOCK RISE AND THEN HE WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WHIT,AS OF RITE NOW HE HAS NO LEVREGE,HE HAS A CONTRACT TO FILL IN WHICH HE SING AND HE GOT TO PLAY NO MATTER WHAT HE WHANTS IF HE DOES NOT SHOW UP HE WILL BE FINED,SO I EXPECT HIM TO BE IN CAMP THIS YEAR,OR TRADE HIM TO MIAMY"
Tony B Said:
Fri, July 4, 2008 - 4:28pm EDT"eyeh8dapats trust me the money that was received was only a roster bonus not an advance on a salary and it was 650,000 not the millon reported and thats afact. Something else I wonder for all of us guys who "work for a living" If you were working at ur job and ur boss said "if you keep doing ur job like thie next year we ll have to look at giving u a raise and u did and they did nt how would u feel?"
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Ira Said:
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 10:35am EDT"Randy, Schein's trade for Parker does make sense. While i love Stuckey, Henry is not proven yet and Smith is a good all around player they truly don't have a veteran WR to fill in just in case LC or Cotchery were to miss some time. Parker would be worth a trade for. Forget Shockey he is a problem don't want him. I do see Baker being traded to the Saints."
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