A Score of Sixth Picks That Run the Gamut
Published: Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:35am EST
By Eric Allen
<p>Allen is the senior managing editor of newyorkjets.com. He is in his seventh season with the Jets.</p>
File Under: draft, Richard Seymour, sixth overall selection, Lawrence Phillips, Johnathan Sullivan, David Klingler, Walter Jones, Tim Brown, Torry Holt
04/24 — The Jets own the sixth overall selection in this weekend’s draft. It got us thinking which player was selected in the same slot last year, and then we ultimately decided to examine the past two decades.
2007 — Washington Redskins: LaRon Landry, S, LSU
On their Website, the 'Skins tout Landry as “a Pro Bowl caliber safety.” The 6’0”, 213-pounder definitely impressed in his rookie campaign, totaling 97 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
2006 — San Francisco 49ers: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
A physical marvel, Davis registered career highs in receptions (52) and TD catches (four) in his second season.
2005 — Tennessee Titans: Adam “Pacman” Jones, CB, West Virginia
The statistic that has plagued Jones is six career arrests since being drafted. He is expected to meet with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell before training camp to see if he can return for this season and play for his new team, the Cowboys. In 2006 Jones collected four interceptions and also tied for a league high with three punt-return TDs.
2004 — Cleveland Browns: Kellen Winslow, TE, Miami (Fla.)
After two injuries (including knee problems following a motorcycle accident) slowed him his first two seasons, Winslow has emerged as one of the NFL’s top targets. He followed up an 89-catch, 875-yard, three-TD campaign in 2006 with an 82-catch, 1,106-yard, five-TD season in ’07.
2003 — New Orleans Saints: Johnathan Sullivan, DT, Georgia
The Saints actually moved up to get to this spot, but they didn’t receive much of a return for their investment. Sullivan played three largely forgettable seasons with the Saints, then was traded to New England (for WR Bethel Johnson) in 2006 but never played for the Patriots. Back in June 2006, police picked Sullivan up in Georgia and charged him with a seatbelt violation, running stop signs, playing loud music and possession of less than an ounce of marijuana. He is not longer in the National Football League.
2002 — Kansas City Chiefs: Ryan Sims, DT, North Carolina
After five less-than-stellar years in Kansas City, Sims was traded to Tampa last year and was a reserve for the Bucs. He has totaled just 90 tackles and six sacks during his career.
2001 — New England Patriots: Richard Seymour, DT, Georgia
Jets fans know all too well how this versatile selection worked out for their divisional foes to the northeast. Seymour annually vacationed in Hawaii from 2002-06 and his five Pro Bowl trips are the most by any Pats lineman since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger.
2000 — Philadelphia Eagles: Corey Simon, DT, Florida State
Last October Simon retired from football due to a polyarthritis condition. In 95 games with three teams, he racked up 32 sacks along with 246 tackles, nine forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries. Simon was an all-rookie performer for Philly back in 2000 (9.5 sacks) and also represented the Eagles at the Pro Bowl following the ’03 season (7.5 sacks).
1999 — St. Louis Rams: Torry Holt, WR, North Carolina State
Holt will go down as one of the most prolific receivers in NFL history. The 31-year-old just had another phenomenal year, quietly producing a stat line of 93 catches, 1,189 yards and seven scores. He was the first player in NFL history with six consecutive 1,300-yard receiving seasons and the fastest player to 10,000 receiving yards (116 games).
1998 — St. Louis Rams: Grant Wistrom, DE, Nebraska
The former 'Husker had a fine nine-year run in the NFL, tallying 53 sacks with the Rams and Seahawks. He picked up a career-high 11 sacks with the Rams in 2000 and appeared in two Super Bowls with St. Louis. After permanently removing the pads, Wistrom moved home to southwestern Missouri and became an assistant football coach at Springfield High School.
1997 — Seattle Seahawks: Walter Jones, T, Florida State
One of the best offensive linemen in NFL history. Jones has been entrenched at LT for the Seahawks since stepping into the league, starting all 168 games he has appeared in.
1996 —St. Louis Rams: Lawrence Phillips, RB, Nebraska
Phillips rushed for 1,453 yards in 35 career games and reached the end zone 14 times. A great physical talent, he never could control his emotions off the field. After widely publicized troubles at Nebraska, he got an opportunity from the Rams and it didn’t work out. He eventually moved on to the CFL but couldn’t stay with a team because of constant strife. Then in August 2005, Phillips, 31 years old at the time, drove onto a field near the L.A. Coliseum and hit two young boys and a 19-year-old man. He was convicted on all seven counts of assault at his trial.
1995 — St. Louis Rams: Kevin Carter, DT, Florida
Now entering his 14th professional season, the former Gator has had a fantastic career. Carter’s 100.5 sacks are an impressive number and he reached double-digit sack totals four times. He re-signed in Tampa and will be back for another year with the Bucs.
1994 — Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Trent Dilfer, QB, Fresno State
Despite never becoming the franchise quarterback many had projected him to be, Dilfer captured a Super Bowl ring with the Ravens back in 2000. He managed the offense as the Ravens defense had one of the most dominating seasons in NFL history. Now 36, Dilfer has played for five teams and has passed for 20,518 yards with more interceptions (129) than touchdowns (113). He is a free agent and it appears his playing days are coming to an end.
1993 — Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Eric Curry, DE, Alabama
The former Alabama star played seven NFL seasons and finished with just 12.5 sacks.
1992 —Cincinnati Bengals: David Klingler, QB, Houston
The Bengals thought they had found their replacement for Boomer Esiason but their hopes never materialized. Klingler, terrific running the run 'n' shoot for the Cougars, eventually lost his job to former Jet Jeff Blake. Retiring with a career passer rating of 65.1, he went to Dallas Theological Seminary and earned his master's degree in theology
1991 — Phoenix Cardinals: Eric Swann, DT, No College
Ruled academically ineligible at N.C. State, Swann played semipro ball in Massachusetts and the Cards took a flyer him. He played 10 seasons in the NFL and appeared in two Pro Bowls.
1990 — Chicago Bears: Mark Carrier, S, Southern Cal
Let’s just say Carrier didn’t wait to make a pro impact. He was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year after leading the NFL with 10 INTs, finished his career with 32 picks and went to the Pro Bowl three times with the Bears (1990-91, ’93). Carrier now serves as the Ravens' defensive backs coach.
1989 — Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Broderick Thomas, OLB, Nebraska
When he finished his playing career with the Cowboys in 1997, Thomas had tallied 47.5 career sacks. His best seasons came with the Bucs in 1990 (7.5 sacks) and ’91 (11 sacks).
1988 — Los Angeles Raiders: Tim Brown, WR, Notre Dame
Timmy played 16 years (15 with the Silver & Black), made nine Pro Bowls, caught 1,094 balls for 14,934 yards and scored 100 times. Good pick.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (25)CEDRIC Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:01pm EST"Good article, alotta BOOMS and few BUSTS, lets see what we do with the infamous 6th Pick, What about the other Picks in the Later rounds. QUICK QUESTION: WHO ARE U GUYS LOOKING AT IN THE LATER ROUNDS?"
Howard Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:08pm EST"WOW what a list and i remeber all these guys......am i getting old also.1st rd trade down get a coner 2nd rd j mayo or d conner ilb 2nd 4th rd pick marcus monk wr ark big fast good hands needs coaching"
MikeMc Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:44pm EST"L Phillips was the only RB in that group of #6rs, how did that turn out? Funny QB's didn't do much better sans Dilfer's ring, (that was a defense SB win). Ira I agree it is a crap shoot thats why I put so much weight into the character of the player, at least he'll put the work in to improve. So much money in the top 10,draft poorly you lose the pick , the player,the money and the locker room."
Row Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:30pm EST"I look to trade down for Brandon Flowers and James Hardy in the second round. Hardy scored 16TD's last year 79 catches for 1125 yards. The guy is 6'7. Mayock has him over Limas Sweed. Flowers (CB) had 5 picks and is fundamentally sound. I really think Tangini is screwing up going for McFumble. He will holdout till the regular season and be a huge bust. Raiders please take him off the board!!! "
Frank Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:24pm EST"Hey Row I've trade marked McFumble don't go violating "Frank The Tank" property rights. I agree on Hardy I am starting to like him more and more. Disagree on Flowers he is probably the best corner but he is too slow and a cover 2 corner which we don't play. McFumble is smoke and mirrors there is no way they pick him. I really beleive they will go hard for Gohlston he has S. Merriman skills."
Frank Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:29pm EST"Breaking news...this just in an APB has been issued for the "real" Drew he has been missing since the Blair Thomas smackdown and destruction caused by Frank. He was last seen licking his wounds and heading to the Vet's office if anyone has seen him please tell him to report for Radar Duty immmediately!"
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 5:49pm EST"Glad we got rid of D-rob for cap room, I wish him the best, Tangini better not Buckle For Chris Baker at all, HONOR your Contract, these guys act like babies. B.Franks money have nothing to do with his money."
Frank Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:04pm EST"Oh really Cedric regarding Baker did you feel the same way about Coles and Rhodes? I agree with you in theory and blasted Tangini for caving to Coles but if that's the approach they decided to take then they need to apply it to everyone otherwise you create anarchy which is exactly what's happening here. They tossed Kendall overboard would you prefer they do that to Baker as well?"
zartan Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:09pm EST"i think Baker has top 5 TE in him.hes come thruogh when ever the Jets go to him. the jets are robbing this guy.if he goes to a team that will use him,the'll/we'll regret it for a long time."
Jmac Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:13pm EST"we NEED to draft mcfadden.if we have mcfadden we take alot of pressure off whoever is qb because now we have an explosive runner and enough rb so we dont have to throw soo much.with a great offensive line we are the perfect team for mcfadden to prosper and that also takes alot of pressure off the qb.i feel we could use another wr but a cb is more inportant.we have darrele on oneside and noone els"
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:40pm EST"No, they dont have to apply it to everyone, Rhodes deserved it, he had a better year than Polamalu, and others n has been consistant and is a leader. Coles didnt deserve it, but he is a locker room leader n should appease leaders which they shouldve with Kendall. And they didnt pay Coles, Baker isnt a leader n inconsistent, he has no right to talk, compare stats to other TE's he's far from elite "
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:55pm EST"Rhodes didnt even ask for a Restructured contract, they came to him after the season. Coles Whined, I didnt like that, but they learned from 07 about chemistry. at the end of the day, you marry the FRANCHISE not the Player. Baker signed his contract not even a year ago n he wants redone, Jets run the show they really dont have to be consistant with anbody. U have kids u treat them all different"
Anonymous Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:09pm EST"wanna get deeper? Baker aint kendall, Pete was a line vet, Baker can catch but has big drops and fumbles in key games on 07, so lets not act like he's the next Gates. So in other words is a TE expendable? They almost always are. Honestly."
Drew Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:42pm EST"Be careful what you ask for Frank.. I went to Chicago to watch my Yanks throw the Whitesox a couple of beatdowns..... You got called out on your B Thomas stunt and then got taken to school by yours truly again. Your Mcneil/Hector stance was flat out ignorant. They were both basically retired in 92. It appears that Cedric has held down the fort while I was away. He seems to be ahead on in this one"
Drew Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:50pm EST"Let Baker moan just like I wanted them to let Coles moan. The Jets have taken care of all of their younger talent in recent years. They miscalculated with Kendall but still got a 4th in next years draft for him......A guy with the numbers of C Baker cannot start making any demands. He is a nice player. He will get taken care of in due time. "
Big A Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 8:07am EST"Overall, I like Baker. I think the market rate for a TE of his caliber is good and he is worth more than the almost $700K he will earn this year. What would someone else pay him if he were available? What would we pay to replace him? Give the guy a few extra bucks, he deserves it."
Big A Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 8:13am EST"Here's a few players I'd like to see in camp: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn St) - Ht: 6-1.5 Wt: 183 40: 4.47 OG Branden Albert (Virginia) - Ht: 6-6.5 Wt: 320 40:5.17 WR Limas Sweed (Texas) - Ht: 6-4.5, Wt: 210 40: 4.46 QB Joe Flacco (Delaware) - Ht: 6-6 Wt: 237 40: 5.00 DE Kendall Langford (Hampton) - Ht: 6-5.5 Wt: 297 40: 4.95 ILB Beau Bell (UNLV) - Ht: 6-2 Wt: 253 40: 4.63 "
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:12am EST"Thanks DREW, i'll Bat DH anytime that your away against Frank, im glad you see where im coming from with Baker. Well Fella D-Day is a a day away, my nervousness has subsided and I'm Ready For anything, Bring on LONG,GHOLSTON, RYAN, MCKELVIN, MCFADDEN, BRING THE DRAFT, LETS GO!"
Frank Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:33am EST"Ah Drew my boy you are hilarious. You might want to freshen up and re-read the postings. Your continued denial is hilarious. I love the way you left out Baxter who absolutely annihilated Thomas over the 4 years and so did McNeil. So let's see we should draft at #2 someone who we might need in 3 years and pass on the best defensive player in the draft. Seau was the need and the pick. Move on Bud!"
Frank Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:43am EST"Cedric you validated my comments by what you posted. To say Baker has not been an important component on the team the last few years is absurd. Tangini gave Moore of all people a 1 Mil raise while he was complaining as well. Tangini created this nonsense. Cedric I have 2 young kids you absolutely don't have a different set of rules for each that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard..."
Frank Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:48am EST"...that's called favoritism. There is no consistancy in the way they handled these issues and that creates instability. The most successful organizations don't cave to these type of demands. For the record we agree on this and I think Tangini made a huge mistake in handling all this. The important thing is to set a policy and stick to it."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:25am EST"For the record I never once called Baker unimportant, I called his position expendable, the player, my analogy is valid B'cuz a rookie cannot have ONE stellar year N demand a new contract, Chris Baker had ONE good year and just did a contract then wants it redone, where's the policy on that? There is always favoristism, I have One Child myself, a girl, but I know when I have a boy I cant treat..."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:31am EST"Him the same as her, not as in the term better or worse, just different. I understand what u mean mishandled, consistency is the key to successful teams, but dont think for One second that even the most succesful team doesnt have ppl mad about their contract. Each player is different and they should deal with them as such, call it favoritism i call it fair."
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:34am EST"If Baker had 3 or 4 back to back of those kind of numbers then Maybe I would support the Idea, but not after one CAREER year of a SUB PAR career on a SUB PAR team. NO, i cant back him, the intangible value of Coles in the lockerroom is the only reason im happy they dealt with Coles, but not Baker Frank, Not Baker."
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Ira Said:
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:00pm EST"Eric, Great story and this list shows you it is all a crap shoot and luck. Just as many bust as good players. But Mr. T has had success so far and i know he will continue that way this year. Eric, Your list Phillips is the biggest bust and Brown is the best. I still can see Brown running past Vance Joseph in that 1995 Sunday night game when Kotite started him on Brown. Need i say anymore? "
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