Draft Secret Revealed: Meet in the Men's Room
Published: Thu, April 17, 2008 - 3:29pm EDT
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Terry Bradway, Mike Tannenbaum, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Bryan Cox, predraft news conference
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04/17 — Porcelain has played a central role in a couple of Green & White anecdotes this decade.
Eight years ago, Al Groh said the enormity of becoming head coach of the Jets didn't hit him until he read all about it on a sports section tacked to the wall over a restaurant facility. Then this afternoon general manager Mike Tannenbaum had his own bathroom story about the Jets' extremely successful second-round tradeup from a year ago.
"Soon after we picked Darrelle Revis, I went to the restroom and in there I saw Bryan Cox," Mike T said during the Jets' predraft news conference. "Grudgingly, he said about Revis, 'That's a good job' — Brian's a hard guy to please. Then he said, 'Don't forget about David Harris now.'
"Bryan was the first guy to put the bug in my head that, hey, let's keep an eye on David. The chips fell as they may and we were fortunate enough to be able to move back up [in a trade with the Packers] to get David. Bryan at least put it on our radar."
We suspect Cox, the Jets' assistant DL coach and a former great LB himself, wasn't the only one to see the potential impact of Michigan's burly inside 'backer. But amid suggestions from reporters that maybe the Jets should move their draft room around the corner to the gents', Tannenbaum was making one point: He'll take advice from all around when it comes to spending the team's draft picks.
And there was another lesson to be learned from that episode that left the Jets flush with success when Harris played so well the second half of last season: The Jets of Tannenbaum and, before him, Terry Bradway will not be stationary targets when it comes to their draft strategy.
While a lot of the talk at today's news event repeated the theme that the Jets, with the sixth overall pick in the first round April 26, will have six players they like when that day arrives, there is always the chance that they will find a dance partner and move up or down.
Bradway, now the director of player personnel, traded up in the first round twice and out of it once in the five drafts when he was GM from 2001-05. He said today that the tradeups for Harris and Revis had something to do with how deep last year's draft was.
"I think there's more depth maybe in this year's draft than there was last year," Bradway said. "Last year we felt like there wasn't as much depth. That's why we traded up, gave up some picks, because we didn't think the value would've been there. This year we think the value's going to be there through three, four rounds."
So does that means the Jets are less willing this year to give up any of this year's picks (the sixth and 36th picks overall, two fours, a six and a seven) to move up? Hardly. But with the NFL mercifully downsizing this year's draft from 15 to 10 minutes for each first-round pick and from 10 to seven minutes per second-rounder, that means more phone calls between teams are likely to be made in the days before the draft rather than hashing out terms of a trade while one team is already on the clock.
"You've got to be prepared for everything," Bradway said. "We'll be prepared to sit at six and take a good player. We'll be prepared to listen to a phone call."
"The activity will heat up in the latter part of next week," Tannenbaum said before repeating a mantra that Jets fans should be used to by now. "We're always looking to improve the team."
Whatever happens, you can be sure Mr. T will have a handle on the situation.
What About D-Rob?
Most of the news conference was devoted to draft questions, but a few topics about the current Jets came up. One question was on the status of DT Dewayne Robertson, mentioned in trade rumors for a few months.
"Dewayne's under contract. He's on our team right now," Tannenbaum said. "I won't comment on speculation, but Dewayne's had a good career with us, so far he's on the roster, and he'll be here unless something changes."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (74)kimosabe Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 5:32pm EDT"About D-Rob...its about moo-la...if the JETS and Mr. Robertson don't agree to restructure his contract , then something has to be done...I hope the rumers are true(Denver)...and the JETS could trade up in this draft...!!"
steven Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:51pm EDT"Being that Robertson is a solid player, why can't we find a place for him next to Kris Jenkins and Sean Ellis"
Ira Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:30pm EDT"Randy, Since Brian was so aware of Harris and the Jets did their homework watching him they could have another LB coming to them in this years draft. I had mentioned Shawn Crable who has perfect size for a 3-4 LB. 6'5" and 245 lbs. Hope he is available in the 4th or later rds. Maybe Brian and Mr. T will have another successful meeting. Love the idea of a Jets Night at Shea!"
Darrell Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:32pm EDT"Bryan Cox, still doing great things for the Green-n-White. I don't care who's to credit for it, DAVID HARRIS IS A BEAST!!!!!!! If 'Tangini' is going to draft that kind of quality, you'll never hear me complain about quantity ever again. "
Howard Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:16pm EDT"after just watching this pc its nice to know mr t and the staff just wont tell anybody to much.but i kind of got the feeling they dont like flacco of del.well heres to waiting a little over a week now and seeing how this draft plays out cant wait to get on the clock,but of course id trade down"
John Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:04pm EDT"So tell me though... Is not having Jonathan Vilma going to help us that much? With all the talk about what a bad fit he was, he was really talented. Will we find that much better of a player in the 4th round? We can only hope that he meets whatever incentives he needs to for us to get that pick in next years draft. And even still... I think that trade is a mistake. Harris is good. But..."
Ablity Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 2:49am EDT"8 DAY BEFORE THE NFL DRAFT AND THE JETS ARE PUTING ALLOT MAN POWER INTO DARREN MCFADDEN, DO NOT BRING THIS KID TO NEW YORK PLEASE. IT LONG, GLOSTON, AND RYAN ARE GONE BY 6TH THEN JUST TRADE THIS PICK PLEASE IM BEGGING MT. We can get Dallas 2 picks and give them mcfadden, i am not a big fan of this guy, we need a pass rush. everything is going wrong for jusr KC may get Ghloston. the jets are done "
Wilhelm III Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 5:38am EDT"Randy, These are the "behind the scenes" articles we love & I did not know how much Cox wanted Harris. The days of 51 with the neckfin putting the swim move on O linemen are memories that will not soon be forgotten. He was amazing ! I agree with many that Harris will prove to be better than Vilma in a few years. Who says bathroom visits cant be productive ! Senator Craig just gave them a bad name!"
Fran'sCan Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 7:45am EDT"I really hope this McFadden talk is nothing but a smokescreen, we really DON'T need him. Still hoping Gholsten or C Long will be there at 6. I understand K. Clemen's daughter was kissed by the Pope yesterday in Washington... well, he should have rolled up his sleeve and had him kiss the arm, that is where the blessing is needed ! Go Jets !"
CEDRIC Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 7:48am EDT"IRA, are you the same IRA calls Chris Cartlin on WFAN, i heard you this morning sayin that you think we should trade down instead of waiting for Mcfadden...im just as nervous as you with us picking him."
Gus Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 7:49am EDT"HaHa, LOL at the cubicle incident, will Mike T being doing that between rounds again? My feeling is that unless a mind blowing trade is offered we will take BPA. Right now our biggest immediate hole is QB, so whilst I wouldn't do cartwheels, taking Ryan would be a good pick."
Damone Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 7:58am EDT"I heard the Eric and Mike T met with Darren McFadden again yesterday .I'm not saying anymore about who we're going to draft but if we get Mcfadden behind our new line,and the offensive minded B.Callahan.......if u think McFadden would have better success with any other team in the top 6 you are mistaken.Mcfadden will be upset if he doesn't come to us.It would make things a easier for both of us."
Frank Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:02am EDT"Jared Allen is on the block I called this months ago Tangini needs to get this guy. He is the best pass rusher in the NFL and we need him. He is the playmaker we need on defense. This is the bold move they need to make. TANGINI TRADE FOR THIS GUY RIGHT NOW! We can then comfortably trade out of #6 and meet our most glaring need."
Frank Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:29am EDT"Nice story about Clemens and his family meeting the Pope. The guy really has his priorities straight and I respect him. The anti-pacman mentality. He is also a hard worker and tough kid I think he will surprise people this year. He made a big improvement from year 1 to year 2 and he will make the quantum leap this year."
michael o'malley Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:40am EDT"i think it's great that revis and harris are going to be great players but trading away picks is not a long term solution. the jets were hurt last year not just with poor play but only having 4 picks in the draft i hope they dont make the same mistake this year with just 6 picks"
Drew Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 9:23am EDT"Ira... I really like Crable. Like I said last time he is a much better prospect than Hobson was coming out. The problem is for his size/speed he is not very fluid especially in coverage...I did see him run down a RB from 65 yds in the Illinois game last year. Really Impressive!! I think he would excel in a Tampa 4-3 defense more than ours. He reminds me of bigger version of Cato June."
Drew Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 9:28am EDT"John... I understand how some Jet fans didnt want to see Vilma traded but fact is he was a below AVG LB in our system. D Harris came in and made more plays last year in 9 starts than Vilma has made in the last 2 years. We should have traded him 2 years ago or at least last year but we got a 4th and a potential 2nd in 09. Let him make plays in the NFC. He is an easy guy to root for over there."
Drew Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 9:33am EDT"As much as I think Bradway did a decent job running our draft I am still completely lost on why we traded our 2 first rounders THE DAY BEFORE THE DRAFT for D-Rob??Who does that?? Bradway played his hand 24 hours before the draft even started. I still have no idea why he would do that. What would have been the probelm with waiting? Randy do you recall how the media handled that then?"
Ira Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 12:51pm EDT"Cedric, I don't like taking RB's in the 1st rd especially that high. Look what happened with R. Bush. He was supposed to be all world and look he is nowhere close to that. Also its a bad investment to give a RB 20 plus million guaranteed up front because RB's careers are even shorter then the avg NFL player. You can always get a RB later. Look at Curtis 5th rd and he will be in the Hall."
uncle joe Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 12:51pm EDT"We had really good drafts the last 2 years so I trust whoever they pick,BUT I will be heartbroken if they dont get Cromartie at 6.I think he is the best value at that spot and the least risk.Everyone else either doesnt fit our system or will be changing a position,and McFadden I think is a problem child and a huge bust.Our RBs are perfect.Love to get Ware back from the Giants."
Damone Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 2:40pm EDT"How can you call Mcfadden a bust when the man hasn't even taken the field yet? "
Patrick Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 3:35pm EDT"Whoever questioned the vilma trade and harris's abilities obviously didn't watch the man play last year. 127 Tackles, 2 FF, 5 Sacks in only 9 starts, I think we're good to go. "
MikeMc Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 3:59pm EDT"Loved the tannenbaum press conference, what a poker faced bunch. I think it was all gamesmanship, Idon't think Mcfadden or Ryan is in their plans next week. I heard deep a few times and I think they would love to trade out of #6. Bradshaw also said '07 was not deep thats why they traded up twice, so I wouldn't expect any trades up in the first 2 rounds. "
Chris Said:
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 11:12pm EDT"mcfadden and ryan are great players, but are not what the jets need right now. the jets have 3 running backs and i think that once klemens has time and brad smith gets some offensive plays, the QB spot will fill in. if they can be patient and wait for a developing offense, a lineman to protect and a receiver to support would be much better in the long run"
Ablity Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 12:06am EDT"the jags and the vics can change the whole flow of the jets season this year, KC at number 5th pick was in a very bad spot, cause O-lineman outside of JLONG was worthy of top ten and that was their only need. but they had turn the 5th pick into the hot spot, if the jags or the vics trade their first and second round pick for jallen their KC can draft ghoston. they played this draft game very smart"
Ablity Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 12:13am EDT"we should have our fingers cross that the vics and jags hold their picks and they have gud reason to, their are four 1st round DE in this draft and the second round seems to be gud. if worst case the jags or the vics do get jallen then we should trade our pick to the boys and let them get mcfadden and ask for their 2 st pick and a third rd pick. we can get olb glooves and db flowers and put him SS"
Ablity Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 12:15am EDT"the way i see it we are going to win and lose game depending on how our defense play, no matte wh we draft, our offense this year will not be great so why dont we just finish our defense and get the offense better when we get the chance"
Ray Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 12:38am EDT"Jared Allen? Come on, the last thing we need is a bold move to pick up another guy who doesn't fit the system we run. Didn't we do that last year? And give up the farm to get him? Plus he is going to want a new contract. Save the money and the draft picks."
Ablity Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 12:47am EDT"I DONT SEE THE PROBLEM WITH D-ROB BESIDES HIS MONEY AND INJURY, HE WAS DOUBLE SOME LAST YEAR AND NOW THAT HES FREE HE CAN BE A GUD PASSRUSHER DE IN THIS DEFENSE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW DO HE COME TO THE TEAMS MINI CAMPS?"
Ray Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 1:04am EDT"All this talk of McFadden being a bust, doesn't anyone worry that Gholston is the next Mike Mamula? I live just outside Columbus and have watched him the last two years and at times he is dominating. I was excited at the thought of getting him when he was a second rounder. I do think they should go def., but I don't think all is lost if we take McFadden. This pick is not our whole season."
zartan Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 3:03am EDT"uncle joe,i agree with you .i think that he will be the only standout player at their position. BUT,someone brought to my attention that the jets struggled last year because the D was on the field 3&out too often.is the o-line upgrade enough?to get a spark McFadden and Hardy would change our dynamic,& give .i wold then take CB#4,Crable,& O'conell.that would be the perfect draft."
Frank Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 10:11am EDT"Really Ray,Gohlston a second rounder that's interesting. For you and every other McFumble lover I have 2 words BLAIR THOMAS. He is not an every down back we already have a change of pace guy L. Washington who can take it to the house. The guy has no strength is not a gym rat and will take a beating in the NFL period end of story. I pray the Raiders draft him. Mendenhall is the best RB in the draft"
CEDRIC Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 12:22pm EDT"IRA, you and i live by the same philosophy on RBs, they're a dime a dozen, look at Reggie Bush, then look at Ryan Grant...I would pay a DE waaayyyy before a RB...1st RND is important i just wonder what GEMs we find in later Rnds, we have great scouts, i hope a guy like Abram Elam starts this year, great compliment to Rhodes... Nervous about this draft."
Rob Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 1:24pm EDT"Nice article Randy, and interesting posts by everyone. Since D-line is still our workin progress, does anyone have more infor on Sedrick Ellis?"
CJJET Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 5:49pm EDT"Randy, I want the Jets to grab Gholston or trade down if he is gone. I am getting nervous that the Jets are going to go for McFadden. You give that guy millions and turn him loose in NYC and it will get ugly. Hopefully, the "draft is deep" talk means they will trade down. Go Jets!"
Ray Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 5:57pm EDT"Yes Frank really. And if you READ what I wrote, I didn't say I loved McFadden, I said I didn't think all is lost if we draft him. And yes, Gholston was not a top 10 pick before the combine. And I'll repeat my two words to you MIKE MAMULA!! You can find a bust at every position if you want to keep naming names. There is a good reason you aren't in an NFL war room next saturday."
Big A Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 8:12pm EDT"I think Mr. T is pretty certain that McFadden will be the one that falls to them at No. 6 and is trying to create a market for him. I don't think we really want to take him, so we better be talking up Ellis, Clady, and some of the others who will be taken in the next few picks also."
Tom Spicer Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 8:17pm EDT"Franky boy the same way you can say McFumble I can call Gholston a 1 trick pony who cant play the run also its known he takes plays off. He also could be one of those guys who is super in the weight room but it does not convert to the game "
Ray Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 11:13pm EDT"In fact since the weather here in OH stunk I did a little research for the fun of it. I checked the top 10 picks from '84 to '03 (jury is still out on the newer ones) and found some interesting items. There were 23 RB's taken and 10 would be considered flat out busts, that's 43%. 47 DL taken with 20 busts or 43% and 26 LBs with 12 busts or 46%. What does this mean? There are no sure things."
Ray Said:
Sat, April 19, 2008 - 11:21pm EDT"I realize my research was far from scientific and there could be much debate on who was or wasn't a bust. But one thing was clear as I looked over the names. Even the surest bets (Blair Thomas, Steve Emtman, Lavar Arrington) are still just a big crap shoot. So whether it is McFadden, Gholston or someone else I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed and hope the Jets get the right guy."
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 9:23am EDT"Mcfadden isnt the best back in the draft, he just has the most playing time, them NFL boys gonna go head hunting on Him. why is J allen even in our equation, our mind is on the Draft, we are in a great position where we can do more than most teams...so lets just trust these guys that trust TANGINI because they did a good job in the past drafts and in this offseason"
Frank Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 9:48am EDT"Ray, you suffer the same mallady Drew does. I read what you wrote you said you would draft McFumble at #6 rightttttt!!!!! I'm saying stay away period. I said "for you and the McFumble lovers" not "all you McFumble lovers" got it? I don't know where you get your draft info from Gohlston was a top 10 pick right from the get go he may go #1. He is alot closer to L. Taylor than Mamula."
Frank Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 9:51am EDT"By the way Ray there is a good reason I won't be in a war room next Saturday because I will be fishing!!!!!! I am also thinking of having a Kool Aid lunch with my boy Drew."
GreekTurtle Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 10:19am EDT"I've spent way too much of my life looking at this years draft...and the more I look, the more I want Chris Long, Matt Ryan, or trading down. I think not having a third rounder hurts this year, as there seem to be great players still there. I'm liking Jonathon Stewart, Jerod Mayo, and a coupla of the WR's. Who's the best 3-4 DE in this draft? Merling? the kid from Hampton?"
Anonymous Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:02am EDT"Hey, don't worry if they pick McFadden. Thomas Jones is tough, but hes almost 30. I don't care if hes got fresher legs because he wasn't always starting, overall Jones is considered a busted first round pick. I think Darren could give us that home-run threat at running back to team with Thomas. Gholston is strong, hes fast, and a lot of people question his effort. He disappears too much "
George P Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:42am EDT"Since Chad Johnson is begging to get out of Cinci why dont we try and make a trade for him. The Bengals were interested in Dwayne Robertson. Plus we do have the 6th pick in the draft, and the players we need might not be there or appropriate to pick at #6. Imagine Chad Johnson, Coles, and Cotcherey playing together next year."
Ray Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 12:57pm EDT"No Frank, I didn't say I would draft him at 6, READ again!!! Or better yet, have mommy read it to you!! I said "I do think they should go DEF., but I don't think all is lost if we take McFadden." Go ahead scroll up and READ. And I'm sure the Jets brass was very disappointed to hear you aren't available. That little voice telling them to trade the pick for Jared Allen will be sorely missed."
Ray Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 1:11pm EDT"Sorry Frank, I didn't know you just started following the draft a few weeks ago. But if you see a Sporting News draft issue at a store, check out their mock draft. It's clearly old, before alot of info came out and before the combine. They have Gholston going with the first pick...............of the SECOND round. So back then, yeah I was hoping we could find a way to get him with our 2nd pick."
zartan Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 2:13pm EDT"why am i talking about drafting DMC and i like Mendenhall much more as a back.do we have to draft who they say is one of the top 6 picks. would any of you of be upset if we took a good late round projected player early. i only like RBs with thick thighs like Jamall Anderson,Barry Sanders & Jones-Drew. will DMC work on his.hes such a big ?. hope we can get a trade.we can get a back and pass rusher."
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 2:37pm EDT"FRANK, lets be real here, you post negative comment because you have nothing better else to do...You like the conflict..None of these picks are a sure fire thing but its just better to pick Defense over Offense, if DMC is a bust then he only hurts the cap, u act like Gholston n Mcfadden are gonna both be sitting there at the same time, its either one or the other...FRANK, RELAX"
Frank Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 3:41pm EDT"Oh I get it Ray you want to trade down first or trade back to draft McFumble or is the problem in your infinite wisdom and knowledge you didn't know we were picking #6. I had my mommy explain this to me I guess she is smarther than you so there! Spicer you can call Gohlston whatever pleases you it doesn't matter to me. I like McFumble I think I am going to trademark the name."
joe gatto Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 3:53pm EDT"im thinking we need to trade for chad johnson also, hes a great reciver. we should make a trade for him . we have 2 4th round picks, and they want d-rob. we would have the top reciving team in the league if we get him - coles, cotchery and johson - thats awsome, we should also get a colt brenen or brian brohm because clemens isnt the awnser and chad is always injured"
CJJET Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 5:04pm EDT"So many people say that Gholston is just a workout warrior and that he takes plays off. The bottom line is that he had 14 sacks this year. I'm not sure how many games he played...10, 11, 12? In my book that is more than 1 per game. I will take it regardless of the plays he takes off. He also came up big in the biggest games...translation, Brady will feel his wrath. Go JETS!!!"
Gary Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 5:22pm EDT"McFadden would be a nice pick but the team has other needs. i mean we got Jones and Washington both very good backs that can have sucess behind that offensive line. But what they need to do is bulk up that defensive. Get a nice pass rushing outside linebacker/ defensive end like gholston. If there going to be playoff contenders we need to get some studs on defense and we should be in good shape."
Matt Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 6:08pm EDT"As much as i want to see Chad Johnson (one of my favorite players) in green, and as good as ocho cinco, coles and cotchery would look. Im not willing to part with our 6th overall to accomplish it. D-rob and others maybe. But we dont even know who will be throwing to him. "
CJJET Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 7:55pm EDT"The NFL network is showing a replay of the Cardinal Redskin game right now and I am watching Calvin Pace. (I know I have issues) He is a stud. He lines up all over the place and is always making plays. I am fired up!"
mike Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:58pm EDT"I would love to chad johnson in green and white as well. If cinci is interested in robertson make it HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
1jet-fan-of-many Said:
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:12pm EDT"if at all poss. why not take the D.E (Ghoulston- if available) at the 6th pick and Q.B Joe Flacco with the 2nd pick----from there address D.L, W.R( someone w/ height and /or speed) , C.B (never have enuff) and F.B (Owen Scmitt -if poss)++++++Merry Xmas+++++++++"
Ray Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:27am EDT"In the end, I am a JETS fan. If they draft Gholston, I am then a huge Gholston fan, if it's McFadden I am instantly a huge McFadden fan. You on the other hand just want to be right. If the Jets draft McFadden, and it looks like there is a good chance they will whether you like it or not. You will be praying that he is a bust just so you can come in here and tell everyone how you TOLD US SO!!"
Ray Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:45am EDT"Hey guys, I like C Johnson too, but not for our first rounder. Maybe they would take our second. But I would only offer that after some guys like Sweed and Hardy are off the board. Those two are guys who can go up and get it. Chad isn't very physical, but he could sure stretch the field."
Drew Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 10:19am EDT"Frank...What happened?? I am gone for 2 days and you're picking fights with Ray?? I feEl a little insulted. I actually agreed with you until you mentioned Gholsten was closer to LT than Mamula. Gholsten is a great athlete and I would draft him but there is some doubt with him. Ray was right he was a 2nd rounder 3 months ago... By the way why the B Thomas quote? Every NFL guy thought he was great."
Frank Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 11:04am EDT"Drew you can't be serious about B. Thomas the Jets were the laughing stock of the NFL when they drafted him #3 that year. By the way Ray I am not petty like you I don't root against the Jets never had never will. If they pick McFumble and he does great I'll be just as happy as everyone else. I'm a stand up guy I make bold statements because I'm willing to be right and critisized if I'm wrong."
Frank Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 11:10am EDT"Drew I was getting worried when you didn't join the fray. Hung over on Kool Aid? Honestly I've had enough I've made my case for the guys I like and we'll see how it plays out on the field. I really like the J. Allen idea if the price is right since he is already a known commodity. The draft has been such a crap shoot at the top seems like 50% of the top 10 turn to dust in 3 years."
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 11:39am EDT"Randy, did we crack 11,000 or 12,000 posts yet, this draft got Jets fan goin crazy"
Randy Lange Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:32pm EDT"CEDRIC, we're at right around 10,600 posted comments as we near the Radar's one-year anniversary of Draft Eve."
Ray Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:10pm EDT"I'm not petty Frank, I just don't like being misquoted. As for J. Allen, yes that would be a bold move. And I still don't see how he's a good fit. Forget what we would have to give up or his new contract. Where do you put him? DE? 6-6 270 is not ideal for a 3-4, turn him into an LB? If your gonna have a project we might as well draft Gholston, Long or Groves."
CEDRIC Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:12pm EDT"Ok, JET FANS lets hit 11,000 before the Radar Anniversary that would be great!!! Lets Go...Oh by the way, we should trade down...we just might do that after all the money we spent in the offseason, who are we gonna pay at Pick #6?"
Frank Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:46pm EDT"Ray, I like all 3 names you mentioned I really hope we end up with Long or Gohlston but if that doesn't happen J. Allen is what we need I know he has issues but he is a playmaker and is similar in size to both players. I like Q. Groves I hope his heart issue is done with he could be a tremendous player if he is healthy. We need a pass rusher desperately."
Drew Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 4:59pm EDT"Frank.. Not to nit-pick again but he was drafted #2... Also, arguing has become almost comical with you. Every team thought he was a franchise RB. It was between him and Seau and we needed a back more than a LB. I was a young buck then but I remember like most fans to be very happy with that selection. "
Frank Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 6:15pm EDT"Nit picker Drew your dead wrong buddy. We had Freeman McNeil, Brad Baxter and Johnny Hector on the roster. We needed a LB in the worst way we had Kyle Clifton and a huge drop-off from there T. Johnson, J.Kelly, J. Mott, D. Murray, M. Stephans recognize any of them buckeroo! There were 2 picks at #2 Cortez Kennedy or Seau and we needed Seau. Real Jet fans were outraged at the time me included."
Frank Said:
Mon, April 21, 2008 - 6:18pm EDT"Drew what's become comical is your incesant nit-picking and one upmanship shut up and listen sometimes you might learn something. I made a mistake 2nd pick or 3rd pick so what the thought and comment held merit."
Drew Said:
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:17pm EDT"Just call me Daddy...Frank, since every time I nit-pick or flat out correct you, you yell for me to shut up like a child would..... This is how dead wrong I am on the Blair Thomas pick "genius". McNeil&Hector were drafted 12 &10 years earlier and did nothing for 3 yrs prior to 1992. Baxter was a blocker/goalline FB not a RB. Do me a favor go do alittle homework and then start posting again sir! "
Frank Said:
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:17pm EDT"Drew you continue to act like a petulant little child. I thought the parents tell the children to shut up? FYI Baxter lead the team in rushing for the period 1990-1993 and TD's 30 to 4 over your great pick B. Thomas and grandpa McNeil had more TD's than Thomas during that span. The team had 3 well known backs on the team already and certainly not desperate for a RB. Seau was the pick end of story."
Frank Said:
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:24pm EDT"Baxter had 2462 yards rushing and 30 TD's during that 4 year period. Thomas had 2009 yards and 5 TD's. McNeil was there for three years with less yards but a better rushing average and 8 TD's. Other than Klifton our LB core was a disaster. You're acting like a fool and are dead wrong in this and owe me an apology for your childish attacks. Stop the drivel already you don't know everything. "
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Ira Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 4:33pm EDT"Randy,Funny story about Harris and it shows you do whatever you have to do to get the job done. Glad to see you give Terry some kudos. He is an excellent football man and has had very good success. He does take way too much heat from some fans which is not fair. "