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03/26 — After showcasing his sprinter speed in Indianapolis, Arkansas RB Darren McFadden worked out Tuesday for NFL personnel at his school’s pro day. He kept his 4.33 40 mark from the combine but added an equally impressive short-shuttle time of 4.05.
"At times, it can get nerve-racking because you know you’re under a close microscope. They're critiquing everything you do, every little footstep you take," McFadden said. "So it's something that when you go out there and work out for a team, you want to do the very best that you can. But if you go out there trying too hard, you may hurt yourself."
"Run DMC" was not pleased with his benchpress effort, totaling 13 reps of 225 pounds. But the 6’1”, 215-pounder performed well in drills and didn’t do any damage to his draft status. And according to ESPN’s Todd McShay, “It came as little surprise to see Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum leaving the field and having a lengthy discussion with McFadden.”
As a fan, you have to love Mr. T’s approach this off-season. He scored high marks in free agency and has been very involved in the draft process. But we caution you that McFadden isn’t the only college player (though he may indeed be the most heavily reported) that Tannenbaum has visited at a pro day or an individual workout.
The questions on McFadden center on a couple of off-the-field incidents. But McFadden, who averaged 1,738 yards on the ground the past two seasons, said he won’t be a problem child.
"People want to question my character, but people that know me know I'm a great kid," he said. "I put myself in bad situations a couple of times, and that's something that doesn't really concern me now that much, but it is a great motivator. It drives me to work harder."
Blessed with great vision and home run ability, McFadden did put the ball on the ground 15 times last season and five went for takeaways. But the scoreboard changer is not going to wait long to hear his name next month.
NFL.com contributor Adam Schefter has reported the Jets will host McFadden on April 16. The Green & White own the sixth overall selection in next month’s draft and D-Mac still could be on the board when the Jets go on the clock.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (109)Frank Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:34pm ET"OK Tom Spicer there you have it. 15 times he fumbled last year alone. He answered again his character questions which keep poping up. For the record based on the Combine Mendenhall ran a shuttle of 4.10 and benched 225 26 times and was officially 15lbs heavier than McFadden. Those are the facts Tom and the last time I am talking it. Tangini would be a monumental fool if they draft McFumble."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:51pm ET"McFadden who averaged 1,738 yards on the ground the past two seasons is blessed with great vision and home run ability HE IS A SCOREBOARD CHANGER. How could we not draft this guy if he is there at 6 he could change the scope of our whole offense he is a threat to score every time he touches the ball the Jets have not had a guy where a team comes in & says we have to stop him since Curtis DMAC STUD"
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:03pm ET"FRANK READ WHAT IT SAYS 5 LOST FUMBLES THAT IS ALL THAT COUNTS "
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:17pm ET"Frank also you keep saying character questions keep popping up every guy I saw on tv said they are a none issue & IF HE GOT INTO THESE 2 SO CALLED BRAWLS FOR A TOP 5 GUY DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE MORE INFO OUT ABOUT IT THERE ISNT CAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED SO THIS IS WHAT YOU DO MAKE UP SOMETHING ELSE. 345 touches 5 lost fumbles that is 1 lost fumble every 69 touches that is 3 games worth of runs"
hank Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:48pm ET"i dont think mcfadden can handle the load of a full season. if he fumbled in college what do you think he will do against lb like urlacher and merriman. there have alot of college stars who busted in the nfl. b thomas, t canidate, r salaam, theres to many to mention."
dean Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:49pm ET"tom, if you think 5 lost fumbles is all that counts, then you don't know football. it's putting the ball on the ground that matters most, not the number lost. and 15 fumbles in one season IS ALARMING. and since i used capital letters, that must be true."
Hogan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:56pm ET"only 5 lost or not Spicer, thats not what you have been preaching for the last coupple of weeks. You can not omit facts to make youre case look better. I am not saying dont draft DMAC at 6 but I am a little worried about him myself."
cheps13 Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:59pm ET"Im tired of hearing how Kellen,is not what we were looking for based on last year!With the horrible play of the line +no running game ,Brady the great woulde"ve looked average to say the least!The two times the line held up he looked good Pitt game Ravens game .NoThanks to butter finger Be Gone Mkcareins!Lc stop being a cry baby !the contract was good when you singed it!if dmac is there gota take "
kimosabe Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 4:22pm ET"If Mr. McFadden is anywhere close to last years A. Peterson,..and he is still available when the JETS pick, its a no brainer...gotta take him !!"
Frank Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 4:47pm ET"Tom are you nuts? He put the ball on the ground 15 times last yr. He lost 5 in the NFL you put the ball on the ground 15 times you loose at least 10 of those and maybe more. The guy benched an embarrassing 13 reps QB's are stronger than that his lower body is even worse. In other words he will not take the pounding in the NFL and doesn't have the strength to break tackles. Gohlston or Long period."
jake b in 323 Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 5:04pm ET"This is a smokescreen, Jets will not take McFadden (can hear the draft day boos already, but not from me). Dean, that was very funny."
MikeMc Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 5:19pm ET"We don't want Mcfadden!!! Parcells used to say 1 fumble is worth a 100 yards. He is no Peterson and the JET LINE is not Minnesotas. I'm not saying hes a terrible guy , but hes no great character team leader for sure. I hope this is just a rouse by tannenbaum. Stick to the plan, we'll be competitive and compete for championships in the not to distant future."
Damone Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 5:37pm ET"You guys are really going at it with this Mcfadden stuff.I have watched all the tape and heard all the gossip,and after seeing his last workout....Darren Mcfadden is RAW.At first i was sceptical but this guy has to much speed and accelaration(and he can catch)to just say we dont need him....but i dont think he will make it to #6.In other words Mcfadden first...if not Gholston!!"
Jason Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 6:29pm ET"If they take Mcfadden, I would like to see them move Jones for a 2nd rounder. If not take Gholston. With Jones, Leon and Mcfadden I see it being too crowded in the backfeild. Trading down if both are avialable is also an option for more picks."
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 6:30pm ET"Dean I almost caught the winning touch down, I almost made the winning shot, I almost scored a touch down, I almost got a sack on & on & on woulda shoulda coulda what only counts is what happens or they would give points for teams fumble the ball "
Andrew in Tucson Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 7:05pm ET"I am sure team Tangini will do what is best for the franchise. Everybody thinks their opinion is the right for the Jets to do. Check it out the last time I looked none of you are working in these postions for any pro team. Let the people who are hired to do these jobs DO THEIR JOBS. It is not like anything anyone of us says is going to make a difference all you armchair GMs would not last five "
Andrew in Tucson Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 7:10pm ET"would not last five mins. in the nfl. Lets just keep cheering on the Jets! I saw a report yesterday that the Jets are only 3.3 million under the cap so macfadden and the Jets will never happen. J!-E!-T!-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 7:18pm ET"Frank, Drew & Zartan I am done with this McFadden stuff next year get ready when every Monday I write I told you so on this blog. Also next year if McFadden & Mendenhall start right away & all 3 backs stay healthy all year I am so sure McFadden will put up better numbers than Mendenhall & Jones that at the end of next year any thing I write will start out with Frank,Drew& Zartan know more than me"
Howard Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 7:58pm ET"rb is not a need for us right now the jets need speed on the d.we need better pass rushers and more coners,with the depth at rb this yr our 2nd pick in rd 4 is a good spot.right now im thinking more on the trade down line in this draft,pending on who is availabe at 6.we still need a wr and o line depth we just need more picks and we're not getting any comp picks this yr with our fa signings"
Alan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 7:59pm ET"Some of you jet fans amaze me... Mcfadden is the most expensive player in the draft and we spent way too much money in F.A to sign him this is just a way to get a good deal out of cowboys if gholston or one of the longs not theyre at 6. We have 3 RB's on the roster one of which had amazing statistics for a 3rd Down back and last years team MVP. I hear boo's at Radio Hall but cheaes at Medowlands!"
Pete Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:14pm ET"I still don't get how everyone is applying so much logic to what will happen in the draft. I stick to the fact that Mangini ruined Ellis, Vilma, and Robinson with his obsession with the 3-4. Ellis and D-Rob are still eating up crazy cap space and may not even have starting jobs. Do you remember letting Kendall go, using a 4th rounder on that RB from the 49ers, drafting Schleigel, not using a FB..."
Ira Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:16pm ET"Jets haven''t had a homerun threat since W.Walker. Sorry McFadden will not be the next. I would be shocked if they took him."
Pete Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:19pm ET"I have been a die hard Jet fan my whole life but I don't like what Tangini is doing.The top priority of the off season should have been keeping Rhodes, not overpaying hopefuls, and that is all we got with the exception of Faneca. He forced the 3-4 on the wrong personnel and has set us years back by wasting 3 1st round picks (Ellis, Vilma, Robertson) that we can't get value for. Bad job with that!"
Xavion Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:19pm ET"In my opinion every one here is set in their own opinion. First off no one coming out of college is without issues or flaws. I say if gholston is off the board the next best pick for us would be Mcfadden hands down we arent going to have him carry the load. he can still learn and 15 fumbles include bad snaps or handoffs as well as muffed returns. He is definately a game breaker."
Xavion Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:23pm ET"Also I find it funny that people talk about we need offensive threat this and that wr. I wouldnt put it past the Jets to draft Mcfadden to play wr. He has 4.3 speed and looked excellent catching in @ ARK. and hes a big target at 6'2" 210-220 lbs hed Cause match up problems in the redzone espcially lined up at qb or HB and throwing. He could Brad Smith 2.0"
joe Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:41pm ET"First I would like to say that mcfadden is a heck of a back, but the jets have much miore peressing needs, then mcfadden, and they have a all pro caliber back in Thomas Jones, jus ask Chicago how bad they miss jone's, Thomas Jones is one of the few bright spots that the jetsa had last season, and there will be lots of ways the jets could improve there team without mcfadden, "
Damone Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 9:08pm ET"Hold up...did MikeMc just write that our line is not as good as Minnesota's....YEA RIGHT!!!We now have one of the best line's in the league(depending on Brick steppin up).I watched some tape of Damien Woody at RT and this guy is real good.Only 4 games but he's good..trust me!!"
biglou Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 9:41pm ET"Terrel Thomas,Antoine Cason, Dominique rodgers-cromartie, Zack Bowman,Aqib Talib, Randy Phillips, malcolm jenkins, Justin king, Brandon Flowers,There will be as many as 14 senior corners available on draft day, so I really doubt that all will be gone by the time we get to pick 6 of rd 2.How about we trade #6 of rd 1 and #6 of rd2 to the bengals for ocho cinco and there # 9 ? Take a corner 9 rd1"
Dunnie Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 9:53pm ET"Trade Down. (period) The only players I would get seriously jazzed about are C Long and V Gholsten. Long will be gone by the third pick .. probably no 1 overall. Gholsten is our only hope at 6. I say trade up to get him .. or trade down to get more value."
Ben Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:00pm ET"Forget about Mcfadden, we don't need a running back. Vernon Gholston is our guy, we haven't had a dominant defensive star since Gastineau! Gholston brings way more to the table for the Jets needs than Mcfadden. Plus, now that we have our offensive line issues fixed, Thomas Jones will have a big year."
Scott Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:17pm ET"The draft will not look like any of these current mocks. Gholston and McFadden will both be gone before number 6. Tannenbaum may be trading up. We have 4 4th rounders this year. The Patriots want Gholston and are going to be talking about moving up to get ahead of the Jets."
dean Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:57pm ET"tom, that's not how pro teams think, and if you knew as much as you say you know, you'd know that. it's not about how many fumbles they lose, it's how many they put on the ground."
Drew Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:57pm ET"Hilarious how T Spicer keeps bringing up lost fumbles for Mcfadden... When your boy puts the ball on the grass... its a turnover in the NFL. You talk about football knowledge and then say fumbles lost is all that counts?? The ball is out of his hands 25+ times in 3 years!! Plus the kid ran out of a QB shotgun for a lot of his big runs. I dont hate the player I just dont think we need him."
Zartan Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:37am ET"Xavion,thats the most realistic thing ive hurd anyone say about McFadden.the guys just not an NFL back! Mr Spicer.ill be watch mcfadden all season,reporting every game.even game 1 win he gets like 30- yards.Biglou thats a smart move.the problem i have with that is,we have WRs like we have RBs.thell get the job done.if you upgrade a player,What are you going to do with the other .we have Stuckey."
hank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:20am ET"mcfadden coughed it up 15 times thats horrible, ball control wins football games. thats why curtis was so good he rarely fumbled, tough as nails, and great team player. to mention him and mcfadden in the same breath is a insult to the hall of famer 28."
Ira Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 7:38am ET"If Gholston would happen to fall to the 4th spot and the Jets and Pats each want him the Raiders are sitting pretty. The Jets/Pats rival is starting early this year as both teams will try to out bid the other for Gholston. Who will give up the most? If the Jets can't get Gholston i would take Mckelvin and then they're set at both CB spots. Randy, 10,000 comment for this great Radar soon?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Ira, after clearing the decks this morning, we just went over 9,700. Thanks again, all."
Troy Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:25am ET"Everyone look at how well the Reggie Bush project is NOT working in N.O. this guy was the highest rated back to come out since H walker,but look what happend,nfl neutralizes speed and when your not the feature back ala Duece MCc it just isnt what it seems,they were saying they were better last year when he was injured,lets learn from Bush,because Mccfadden is no Bush,we have two good backs enoug"
Joe Wille Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:29am ET"Pete, everything you said is sad but true. Don't forget all the bums they brought in from Pats (good character guys). Now watch as Bellichek steals Gholston out from under their noses. Ruining the play and value of three 1st round picks is not that easy, but then they've only been at it for two years"
uncle joe Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:51am ET"All McFadden highlights show him running in the open field,when ever someone touches him he goes right down.I think Raiders might be dumb enough to draft him not us.Jets will entertain trades for 9 minutes,and unless they are blown away,will make the intelligent save choice of DB Cromartie.At 6 he is the best value and fills our biggest need.We will have the best youngest secondary in the NFL."
Die hard fan Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:10am ET"Even if D-Mac becomes a hall of famer, we do not need a RB. That would just be stupid to add all the pieces you have in the off season, drafting a RB when you have 2 quality gu ys in TJ and LW, and not filling in the remaining holes at WR and CB or safety. Mr. T dont do it."
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:33am ET"Pete, you are exactly right and I have been the biggest and most vocal critic of Tangini for ruining players and forcing a system that doesn't fit the personnel. We need to move on though and hope they get rid of these players and get the proper personnel for the systems they implemented. Clearly they are doing that now. Drew I got it if we can't trade D-Rob put him at Fullback!...can he catch?"
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:47am ET"There are alot of quality corners in this draft there are 2 pass rushers. We are close enough at #6 to land one of them. Tangini just like last year needs to do whatever is necessary to trade up if they must to land one of them. Great Pass rushers are infinitely more important than great CB's. Just look at the stats. Great CB's do not have the same impact as great pass rushers."
Hogan Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:30am ET"Jason, It can never be to crowded in the back field. Just look what happend to the GIANTS last year. Also if we doget DMAC and he does wind up being a bust, and you traded away TJ, Then what?"
Braeden Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:11am ET"I think we still should move up with a team like the Chargers, since they have only 1 pick in the first 4 rds. If we get that first rounder, we'll have a good shot at landing someone like Limas Sweed. As for Coles, It really doesnt matter to me if they trade him or not, I'm still kinda on the side of keeping him. But If they trade him to Philly for Sheppard, the JETS will probably sign Troy Brown."
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:40am ET"Frank we just signed all pro FB Tony Richardson no way is Robetson going to go to full back. Alan no matter what guy we take they will all cost the same amount of money just cause a guy plays RB does not mean that he will get more money the a DE taken at that same spot. Uncle Joe "
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:44am ET"Uncle Joe McFadden runs guys over watch the clip on this site. Troy R Bush & McFadden can not be compared McFadden has 20lbs on Bush & Bush has never been an every down back @ USC he had L White & his rookie year he had Duece to share the load with last year without Duece he proved he could not take it but he had a great rookie year."
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:55am ET"Gholston can not play DE in a 3-4 so he would have to play OLB Pace makes $7 mil a year & Thomas makes $5 that tells me they are starting unless we are going to cut Thomas are we drafting Gholston to play ten plays a game for the 6th overall pick ? someone taken that high has to come in & start right away Do we need him on kickoff coverage or something I just dont get the thinking behind this "
ira Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:07pm ET"Randy, any news on further trades for D-Rob ? I also agree with most here that he wont make it as a 3-4 DE. He needs to go now before we lose him next year and get nothing for a former 1st rounder. We could have done the same with Mc Careins last year and have at least got a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. Considering what he did last year, it would have been a great move. Lets hope they have learned"
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:36pm ET"Every player has something that guys find wrong with them coming out of college Peterson was said to be injury prone he missed multiple games all 3 years & the Vikings already had C Taylor but they took Peterson at 7 cause they thought he was the the best player in the draft. Peterson missed multiple games again this year but still I would bet the Vikings would do it again I feel McFadden is best"
Tom Spicer Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:59pm ET"Fumbling is a problem that can be worked on Tiki Barber was know as a fumbler he worked on it & changed how he carried the ball & the problem was gone "
Kaya Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:25pm ET"What everybody has forgotton is that Tangini just signed Jesse Chatman (RB). Why would they want to add a 4th one? Like what Jake b said - it is a smokescreen. The Jets would fill in more holes by trading the #6 to Dallas and taking both their 1st rounds. But, that just my opinion. "
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:51pm ET"Tom Spicer you said you were going to stop STOP ALREADY! My last comment on McFumble. Did you see his lower body? He has none...Twig Legs. He is weak in the weight room. He is going to take a beating in the NFL. He is not going to be a primary back and if he is he will not make it through the season I guarantee it. Someone may have mentioned this but he is built and looks like an NFL receiver."
Drew Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:06pm ET"Spicer...I assume Frank was being funny with his FB suggestion.... Frank, we will have to rotate him at DT or eat D-Rob's salary and cut him. Nobody is going to trade for a guy that will most likely be cut soon and has failed 2 physicals...have to give Mr T credit here. He almost pulled it off with the D-Rob trade. Still hoping for some dummy GM to trade for him"
Ira Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:18pm ET"The other Ira mentioned D-Rob and McCareins. There is no way D-Rob will play for the Jets this year at close to 9 million and he will not restructure. He will be traded or released before June 1st. Why make him a backup for Coleman or Ellis? As for McCareins he was shopped last year and i quess there were no takers. Even with his soft play he is still a 40-50 catch WR. Not an Eric type of player."
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:24pm ET"By the way Tom Spicer if B. Thomas is due $5 this year I say cut him and save the $5. Seriously to answer your question we do not have a premier pass rusher and we desparetly need one. If you think you can have too many I say NEW YORK GIANTS! Ellis has done nothing in the 3-4 I said trade him and rotate Bowens, D-Rob and Thomas at DE. Gohlston becomes our starting OLB."
MikeMc Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:48pm ET"Damone -I did say our line is not as good as minnesotas. Granted the additions of Fanaca and Woody will help alot,but thats on paper I need to see it .There are still issues at left tackle which may not be as big a deal cause we seem poised to run alot more hence the additions of Franks and Richardson. so Brick should have an easier time. I like T.Jones with our new line."
scionce Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:27pm ET"if we get gholston he'll probably be used on 3rd downs, rotated with thomas/pace. however, given pace's size and quickness, he could slide inside next to harris. front 3: coleman, jenkins, ellis; LBs: gholston, pace, harris, thomas. 3 big bodies tying up an O-line and 4 LBs who can all get to the QB? how do u pick up the blitz assignment? what if u rush all 4 LBs? "
scionce Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:31pm ET"and don't tell me pace can't play a different position or that mangini wouldn't switch him. because that's exactly what pace did last year (DE to OLB) and that's exactly the type of versatility mangini would expect from his players, especially his 'bakcers. and c'mon, in 2 years time that could be one of the most feared LB corps in the league; 3 at most."
Anonymous Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:37pm ET"Drew shhhh! Stop saying stuff like that you'll scare off someone. I'm trying to increase D-Rob's value so we can trade him. Didn't Klecko just sign as a Fullback? I agree with Ira he is due a 3 million dollar roster bonus June 1 so we only have a short window here and it's not looking good. I guarantee to you that a few GM's are waiting for him to get cut and save a draft pick. "
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:38pm ET"Again with not posting my name. That was me!!!!!!! Spicer geeezzzzz man you need a vacation dude!"
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:48pm ET"By the way no one has mentioned this but I read the Daily News online today that said Tangini is close to a new deal on Coles. My blood is already boiling if they give him a new contract I am going to erupt like a volcano. Tangini will have demonstrated that they don't know what they are doing. They are all over the map and not consistant and no way can you be successful operating that way."
biglou Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 4:39pm ET"High motor and great vision bla bla bla.... Does anybody remember what was said about david harris last year? I'll take the guy that makes play's not the guy that look's good on paper like gholston. I know dorsey was hurt (didn't miss a game) but if we stay at the 6 pick if he is still available that would my pick move him to end to eat up blockers and free up b thomas or c pace. "
Ira Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 4:47pm ET"Frank, I know how you didn't want LC back. Chill out and go buy a LC #87 jersey. Prediction about 85 catches, 925 yds and 6TD's. GO JETS!!!!"
biglou Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 4:52pm ET"I also like defensive end derrick harvey 6"6 290lbs . You need strength and size on the inside. 3 4 defense you almost need 2 dt on the front line to contain being gashed up the middle .To me k coleman didn't really lock down his position and s ellis is solid but average. So a little youth and size can't hurt. NOT another LB look at tackle or end in the top 10 there are far and few this year."
Damone Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 5:44pm ET"Frank,you aint right man(lol).If we were didn't have Coles,we would be in serious trouble in the passing game.I think LC is 1 of the most dangerous recievers in the league..thats why Cotch has been so sucessful because Coles sees a lot of double teams.Again i'm trying to figure out who you'll think we should get in RD2!!It's a good question to get off the D-MAC thing."
Fran Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 6:32pm ET"Frankly, I don;t see how you can possibly think LC is a dangerous threat. The Jets will never have a feared WR as long as they are putzing around with these 2 QBs"
ira Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 6:46pm ET"At least the real Ira (that would be me) and his evil twin agree, LC should be a Jet. While i disagree on receptions and yards (too much) he will score more TD's than 6. Enough with McFadden already, we are trading down."
Damone Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 6:50pm ET"OK,this on is going out to biglou.K.Coleman actually did a better job than S.Ellis last year.Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but i think Coleman was second on the team in tackles.I would have liked to see some more sacks out of him but "hey what u gonna do"!!We have a better DT now,so we'll see."
Will Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 7:02pm ET"I like, McFadden, it seems to me that every year before the draft teams stream for RB's. Fans dont be sold on the Mcfadden Train. He is a great runner, a great player, but no the best overall in the draft. He is good if you compare him to all the other stingy backs in this years draft. Remember Lendale White, Reggie Bush etc. Are they that good in the NFL. Not at all. They aren't playmakers. "
Damone Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 7:04pm ET"Frank,if u think we're gonna cut B.Thomas you just dont know what you're talking about.Give the man a break,so he had a bad year.Remember,B.Thomas was 1st rounder and he ran a 4.49 at his combine.B.Thomas is no joke kid! "
bob Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 7:51pm ET"u no that if the jets would of lost the final game to kc laast year we would of had the 3rd overall pick that wouldve given us a lot more options im still a little mad bout that"
Alan Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:48pm ET"Exactly Ira 6 TD's a no 1 reciever shouldnt be getting TD's a slot reciever should be getting and with speed like his he should be getting 1000 yard ssns dont be surprised if cotchery becomes the number 1 reciever this year hes an upcoming star and has alot of Chris Carter like values in his game in the way he catches and runs. And i would to see coels get 10 TD's not 6"
MikeSec119 Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:51pm ET"If we get McFadden its gonna make Pennington a whole lot better but as a typical Jets fan I wouldnt rule them out from passing on him. Hopefully if he is gone already and Gholston is still there."
Gene Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:02pm ET"Why would drafting Mcfadden even be considered a possibility here? We have two explosive backs and they're only going to get better with the restructuring of the offensive line. TJ has proven that he's a great back in Chicago and Leon has big playmaking ability. PS- Retire Gastineau's #99 already! "
John C Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:11pm ET"If they do draft McFadden why not line him up as a slot receiver. He receiver speed and could get into open space easier. Think of using him the way New England uses Welker. This also would keep Thomas Jones and Leon Washington getting their touches. "
Drew Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:57pm ET"If I see one more Anonymous Said: from Frank I am going to go crazy. Take a second before you type and put your name in. We can all wait a additional few seconds for your wisdom.....Just heard big J Long explain what an animal Gholsten is to play against. Thats saying alot coming from a Wolverine...Who do we take if Ryan,Mcfadden,both Longs and Gholsten are gone with no trade option at 6??"
Drew Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:06pm ET"Pete..you must go to the Frank school of football. Mangini brought his defense to the team. They could not make big changes because our salary cap was a huge mess but we did make the playoffs in year 1. Also that RB from SF did win a huge game against the Pats that year...Funny how you single out 1 really bad draft choice but forget all of the other players we have taken in those drafts."
mike-ct Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:12pm ET"Jets need to sign LC. With first pick they need defense. someone who can get the quarterback."
Drew Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:14pm ET"What did you guys want Mangini to do come in and run a system he has never run?? Why because it fit players he did not draft?? Look around the league people....thats what new coaches do. They bring in their systems...thats why they are hired. By the way he did make the playoffs that year. As to Kendall, I didnt like the move but we got a 4th for an aging LG. We will also sign Rhodes so relax!!"
JOE B Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:29pm ET"I hope all this talk about McFadden is a smoke screen and he is available for us @ 6, Cowboys trade us there first two round picks and we go CB and WR. Hardy from Indiana would be my choice at WR, any one at CB would be an upgrade for our "other cb" spot. Revis, Rhodes, and Harris all potential pro-bowlers, what do you guys think. "
Frank Said:
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:33pm ET"Ira, I'll do just that and sew and big giant X through the number on both sides and sent it to you for your birthday!"
Frank Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:13am ET"Come on now Guys relaxxxxxx...it's not even April for Gods sake. Half of what I am saying is tongue in cheek...except when it comes to Coles. Drew if everyone is picked and we can't trade #6 Let's see Hmmm...you said you ran a 4.79 including jumping over the dog?Was that with a cup of coffee in your hand...oh excuse me I forgot it must have been Kool Aid...green of course. Can you rush the passer?"
Ira Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 10:51am ET"Frank, Sorry you feel that way.But the stats tell the story. Right now LC is #5 all-time in receiving for the Jets. If he plays at least 2 more years and avg's 75 catches per year that would give him 539 catches and make him #3 all -time behind only Chrebet [580] and Maynard [627]. I am not comparing him to either but you have to give LC his due. GO JETS!!!!"
Drew Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:05pm ET"I see your sticking to the green Kool Aid Line... but I played FS/CB but could get the QB if needed...LOL. I see that we did sign Coles to an extention today. Cant wait for Frank to go thru the roof!!!! I will say this everyone thought Tangini made a mistake in how they handled Kendall...Now we have a 30 yr old productive WR that wants to remain a Jet. Maybe they learned forn last year."
Drew Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:14pm ET"Didnt want to give an extention but as I said earlier didnt matter to me how they handled this with LC. He is a productive player and wants to be here. It will help the locker room and aviod a Kendall mess. Frank, Am I the only one who gets your humor? I think it adds to the Ira/Drew (kool aid boys) Frank rivalry!!...... I cant wait for the Tangini is stupid and inconsistent line today. "
Drew Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:22pm ET"Just read that Coles did not get an extention but was just guaranteed the final 2 years as was offered last month. i guess we will have to wait and see. Again either way doesnt matter to this Jet fan"
ira Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:28pm ET"This just in !Coles signed an extension. The boys in the office made another good decision. Sorry Frank, but LC is back and may you eat your words come september. "
Frank Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:49pm ET"Ira I am sick and tired of hearing about stats. The "stats" don't tell tell the story. The guy is selfish and a whiner and I hate whiners. Here is the bottome line there are players all over the NFL that re-sign or stay with their existing teams out of loyalty or the chance to win. I've laid out my case against him in other postings. Looks like his "new contract" is the 11 Million guaranteed."
Frank Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 1:54pm ET"I'd like to think maybe he read these pages and realized how stupid he sounded after going 55-650 for a 4-12 team and how he absolutely did not earn a new contract or was entitled to even be shooting his mouth off about it. Let's face it since Zach Thomas cleaned his clock he has not been the same. He supposedly had another concussion or 2 last year and he is probably one hit away from retirement."
Frank Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 2:01pm ET"Come on Drew Mangini took a team that was 2 missed field goals away from the AFC Championship game and went 10-6 with exactly one win against winning teams. Great coaches adapt their philosophies to the personel. That doesn't preclude him from starting with a 4-3 and changing it to a 3-4 as he acquired the personel.You need to put your best players in position to be successfull and Mangini did not"
Frank Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 2:24pm ET"Hey Ira and Drew are you sitting down? Guess what I am actually OK with the Coles 11 Million deal if in fact that is it. You know why because I think when a contract is signed both sides should honor it. These new funny money deals with these ridiculous sums are a joke since no-one is ever going to see all that money."
Ira Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 3:10pm ET"Frank, Welcome aboard the LC train. Good that both sides agreed and another feather in Mr. T's hat. LC will be a big help for Stuckey and for the expected WR they will be taking on day 1 of the draft. Things are really starting to shape out with this team and it should be a very exciting and successful season.GO JETS!!!!"
Tom Spicer Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 3:54pm ET"Drew I think if both Longs, Ryan, Gholston & McFadden are gone when we pick we should take Sedrick Ellis. I see some guys are talking about taking a corner I do not think we should go that way with our 1st pick. I think we should also not take J Long or Ryan we should get 1 of these 5 Ellis, Dorsey, C Long, Gholston or McFadden. We just need Ryan or J Long to go in the top 5 & we will get 1 "
Pete Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:42pm ET"Drew, coaches need to be able to adapt their schemes to their personnel. To force the 3-4 with the players we had was crazy. If he was that set on it, he should have cleaned house before ruining his best players value. If he is so smart, he should have known who would fit his system, and got picks for those who didn't. He is cleaning house and eating signing bonuses a year too late."
Pete Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:46pm ET"I really liked our first draft with Mangold and Ferg. But it was nullified after letting the entire line fall apart without a starting LG or RT. If you can't admit Mangini made some major rookie mistakes you aren't paying attention. He may still grow into a great coach, but he has a lot to learn. Think of the draft class if he moved Vilma, Ellis and Robinson last season. You build in the draft! "
Drew Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 8:03pm ET"Spicer...I am starting to question your logic again. Sedrick Ellis is an 4-3 DT. Sound familiar?? We are trying to trade/release D-Rob that we drafted 4 years ago that was the same player. He would get eaten up at DT and is way too short to play outside in our 3-4. We need one of the DT (Ellis, Dorsey) to go in the top 5 to make our #6 valuable....Very happy LC and the Jets worked this out."
Drew Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 8:10pm ET"By the way Frank, Mangini took a team that went 4-12 the year before to the playoffs. The 2nd round FG killer was 2 years earlier (2004). Your boy Herm let his team get out of shape then laid an egg in 2005. As to philosophy look at the 49ers they drafted A Smith # 1 and V Davis #6 and give F Gore a huge contract then hire OC M Martz that we not use any of them."
Xavion Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:53pm ET"I still think McFadden can be Brad Smith 2.0 Hes bigger than Brad, Faster, stronger has exp catching & is a better runner with all the success we had with Brad, Why not Take Mcfadden if he's new and improved They are not drafting him to be the every down back. Rbush rookie year had him catch 88 passes 795 yds 216 pr yds 565 rush yds safe to say the saints did well that year NFC champ gm."
Russell Said:
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 10:49pm ET"To Randy or Eric: Can you tell us anything about QB Brett Ratliff? I read Tom Rock of Newsday.com predicted that the Jets would select QB Ryan of Boston College. Why would we take QB Ryan when we need an OLB like Gholston, a CB like Cromartie or a WR like D.Thomas? I think the Jets should groom Ratliff to take over if they are unhappy with Clemens. Or draft QB B.Morris from Marshall in Rd 7."
Randy Lange Said:
"Russell, this is Randy. We gave you a thumbnail sketch of Brett Ratliff in response to your comment on March 14 under the Radar entry headed "Some Pro Days and What They Portend.""
Tom Spicer Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 11:51am ET"Drew I know I have said this before in the 3-4 your nose has to be like 350 lbs & your ends have to be dt's that are to small to play nose. Your OLB'S have to be 4-3 size ends you need a big front 7 to run this system I think Dorsey & Ellis could play end in the 3-4. I alos heard Ellis dominated at the senior bowl"
Drew Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 8:02pm ET"Pete...your half right. Ellis dominated the Senior Bowl going against a center playing DT in the 4-3. The same showing our DT D-Rob had when he lit up his Pro Day 4 years ago. You guys moan how Mangini ruined players then want to draft a guy that would get lost in our system?? We will not draft Dorsey or Ellis. You can take that to the bank. "
Frank Said:
Sat, March 29, 2008 - 10:19pm ET"Drew if somehow Dorsey falls to #6 and the Jets can't trade out Tangini better draft him because he will be the best talent on the board at that point. Teams that draft strickly by need and not by the best player on the board never succeed. Were did get your GM license? Let's say Drew both Long's, Ryan, McFumble and Gohlston are all off the board and no trade for us at #6 who you picking?"
Jack Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:58am ET"I would like to see Jets take McFadden but those little off the field incidents worry me and now all this talk about he's fumbled alot don't really worry me too much. The guy gain for 1,738 yds the last 2 Season well how many yards did he gain lst Season and TD!?? Other Players I like to see Jets get are DE, Vernon Gholston they may have too trade up for him and I like CB, McKelvin. "
blankman115 Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 7:35pm ET"hey randy how about this if chris long and gholston are gone but dorsey and ellis are still there at number 6, how about we swap our first round pick with the broncos who need a DT, we can get their 1st and 2nd round picks hopefully add CB foxworth ot the package, since they r trying to get rid off."
Drew Said:
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 8:38pm ET"GM Frank?? Can you tell me the difference between Dorsey and D-Rob?? The same guy you say Mangini ruined?? THEY ARE THE SAME PLAYER!! Great 4-3 DT but they will not work in a 3-4. I would draft the best available that works for our team....Like I have said for months without some luck we are in a tough spot at 6. We will have to reach for a CB/WR?? For once I am stumped!!"
Frank Said:
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 8:30am ET"Drew, I know this is unconventional but I would have to consider picking Dorsey and try to trade him. I can't imagine that someone would not want to trade up for him. Broncos and Lions to name a few. Tangini should be exploring this scenerio right now and have contingency plans. This would be the worst case scenerio for us."
RICHARD HOBBS Said:
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 12:36pm ET"MR. MCFADDEN would be a excellent addition to our running game. at 6'1 he can see the whole field,his speed will determine which way he would change too hit the holes or out run defenders.he'll be our new and improve curtis martin,an explovise eric mcneil."
peter russo Said:
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 5:30am ET"Mr. T and coach mangini should do every thing possible to acquire Mc Fadden in the draft. How many years has it been since we built the team around a good young running back. Make mr Mc Fadden a JET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Hogan Said:
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:30pm ET"There it is plain as day. 15 fummbles in one season, I DONT KNOW. Was not one of you guys trying to say he had 9 carrer fumbles or did I read that wrong."
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