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File Under: Eric Mangini, Jonathan Vilma, Sam Cowart, Defensive Rookie of the Year, trade Saints 3-4 4-3
02/29 — There are some difficult goodbyes in the game of football, and this is one of them:
Goodbye, Jonathan Vilma. Best of luck and skill as a Saint.
Vilma's stay with the Jets has run the gamut, and today it has run its course as the inside linebacker was traded to New Orleans for an undisclosed draft pick.
I feel the same way as many Green & White fans. Jonathan is a fine linebacker, but there was no question his production as a 3-4 ILB wasn't the same as it was in his first two seasons as a 4-3 MLB. Then with Vilma's knee injury at Cincinnati last season and David Harris' emergence in his place, a trade that benefits both Jon and the Jets is a good way to go.
Vilma gained his entrée into the NFL as the 12th overall selection of the 2004 draft out of "the U" of Miami. And he got his spot in the Jets' starting lineup in a similar way to Harris, when Sam Cowart sprained his MCL in Game 2 at San Diego that year, the result of 800 pounds of bodies — Jets linemen Shaun Ellis and Jason Ferguson tackling the Chargers' LaDainian Tomlinson — landing on Cowart's planted left leg.
Jonathan took it from there, making 14 starts and 105 tackles and earning Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. The next season was even bigger: an NFL-leading 173 tackles, the Jets MVP award and a Pro Bowl berth.
Then Herm Edwards left as head coach, and Eric Mangini came in with the 3-4. A coach has every right to install a scheme he feels comfortable with and believes in, especially if he believes he has the people to execute it, as Mangini did with Vilma and Co.
J-Vil never once complained publicly about the scheme, even though it changed his style of play and even though he got different questions on the same theme from reporters on a weekly basis. He was at his candid best when I talked with him alone a few days before the dismantling of the Packers at Green Bay in December 2006. Here is an excerpt from the story I wrote back then:
"I'm getting there, I'm getting there," Vilma said. "This defense is totally different from the 4-3, but now that we're blitzing a little more, there are some more similarities between the 4-3 and the 3-4.
"It has its similarities to learning a language," said Vilma, who speaks three of them. "If there are five levels to learning a language, I'll say I'm at level three."
He was asked if he'd seen enough interior offensive linemen coming into his kitchen so far.
"Oh, yes," he said, smiling. "I've seen more guards this year than in the rest of my career combined."
But the downturn in tackles at or behind the line (12.5 last year, 3.5 in 11 games this season), forced fumbles (4-0) and solo tackles in general don't mess with his mind.
"There's only frustration because I want to be the best I can be," he said. "I'm a perfectionist. I want to be great at what I'm doing. The 3-4, definitely, this right here is my life. I've got to get it right."
Mangini's argument is that Vilma, like Tedy Bruschi making a similar switch with New England, still needs time to get up to his speed and style.
"Back in 2000, I don't think you'd have said, 'Wow, what an impact year Tedy had,' " Mangini said. "Yet he impacted the defense substantially during that period.
"Jon understands where everybody fits. He's able to move the pieces around without changing the integrity of the defense. He's been a big part of our pursuit to the ball."
Some of those traits were on display last week against Houston. Before one snap, Vilma swatted Dewayne Robertson over from zero-technique (head-up on the center) to one-technique (shading the center's shoulder) _ Robertson made the play. A few plays later, he repositioned Brad Kassell to a different blitz gap _ Kassell rejected a David Carr pass in the backfield.
"I'm still 'The General' out there," Vilma said with a laugh, "still getting them lined up."
Now Vilma will be lining up guys with black fleur-de-lis on their gold helmets. And the Green Team will move on without No. 51's influence for the first time since April 2004.
Assuming everything goes well for the next two years, Vilma will run into his old teammates fairly quickly. The Jets and Saints are scheduled to meet in the Superdome in 2009.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (66)Murrell2878 Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 2:53pm ET"Thank you JV! Best of luck to you in the future!"
JETSFAN51 Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 2:57pm ET"good luck johnny i hope u win a ring and u make the pro bowl every year i just wish it could have been with us....definately will always be a favorite player of mine..... GO JETS!"
Chris Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 2:59pm ET"Sad? Why? I guess I understand a bit but not too much. The past 2 years Jon has done little or nothing to help himself stay. He went down and in came David Harris who had a good year! Would you have been happy keeping Vilma and be disappointed he never did much? I for one am excited about Harris this year"
Howard Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:01pm ET"a sad day indeed when j-vil got traded but the jets go on and we can recoup the picks we lost to the panthers with a trade of d-rob.getting c jenkins from the panthers is a hugh gain for the jets...the d will be much better now but could have been great with j-vil behind jenks."
Dave M. Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:13pm ET"I can't say for sure that this is a bad trade because we don't know what the draft pick is. It could be a 1st rounder. But I think we should have kept Vilma, the guy was a great leader and would have made a lot of plays if moved to the OLB position in the 3-4. I wish they would have approached him with that option. Maybe he said he wanted to be a MLB and thats why he now plays for the Saints"
Hogan Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:15pm ET"Well its done. Best of luck to #51, not that he needs it. We will all miss you."
JOHNNYJET Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:16pm ET"GOOD LUCK JV WE WILL MISS YOU BUT LIFE GOES ON THIS IS A BUSINESS AND THE JETS BUSINESS IS NOT OVER YET!! LET'S GO JETS!!! KEEP BRINGING GUYS IN UNTIL OUR MISSION IS OVER AND WE COULD SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNELL!!!"
Ira Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:17pm ET"Vilma was an excellent player for the Jets and will continue with the Saints. Things change and when that happens it doesn't work out for everbody. We lost a good player. Still remember the INT he had vs the Rams and took it to the house. He also had a big one vs the 49er's in that 04 season.Good Luck to Jon."
Brian I Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:28pm ET"I have to say that Jonathan Vilma is one player I am going to miss, from his leadership to his physical abilities. While he will flourish once again in the 4 - 3 the Saints Utilize he was not cut in the mold for the 3 - 4. I can sum up his heart with one reference. When he lost to the Steelers in the divisional playoffs three years ago he cried his eyes out. He's a ball player."
john Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:35pm ET"Horrible, horrible trade. To release a player who, before last season's injury, led the team in tackles, an intelligent player who organized and motivated the defense, all for a mere draft pick? Even if it's #10 overall, I still think it's a wretched decision. Mangini seems committed to a 3-4, and he's going to let go of the players that comprised the heart of the defense. Robertson will be next."
Michael Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:48pm ET"john vilma is a great Lb in 4-3.thats the D i wanted but Mangini like the 3-4.john should of been traded a second round pick.MISS NUMBER 51."
jay Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:50pm ET"i am absolutely disgusted w/ this trade and the nyjets overall,how oftendo we have to hear about a player exceling in the nfl on every team as"a former jet" vilma will end up being defensive player of the year and people will be wondering how did the saints get him or nothing. the jets management is not dedicated to winning,we're going to have a billion dollar stadium and a 2-14 team how pathetic"
Joe Akey Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:01pm ET"I understand if you want to get rid of a player because he doesn't fit into a situation but I believe Harris and Vilma could have worked very well together and helped turn the defense into something special with all the other talent that is there. And to get a 3rd/4th round pick in next years draft is just a bad move on be management. I'm sad to see my favorite player go and I wish him the best."
Dave Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:13pm ET"I'd like to congratulate Eric Mangini and Mike Tannenbaum on turning Vilma into a 4th round pick from a pro bowler in two short seasons. Keep up the good work."
Anonymous Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:22pm ET"Best of luck to J-Vil, he was an outstanding linebacker during his tenure with the Jets...I would have liked to see the Jets at least try him at the safety position knowing the type of impact player he is....you'll do great in St. Louis Jon...."
Justin Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:24pm ET"Well, we'll all miss you Jonathan Vilma. You were a great player and a huge contributer to our defence. Thanks for all your help."
Larry Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:27pm ET"Jon was my favorite Jet from the first time he steped on the field for them. Harris looks like he will be great , but I definatly think Jon is worth A LOT more than 1 undisclosed draft pick. awful trade. good luck Jon!"
steve Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:27pm ET"very personable hard playing team member-will be missed.goodbye J Vil."
Moe Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:30pm ET"Didn't another team from New Jersey accomplish what no other team did this year, and win the Superbowl at the same time? All with a 4 man front!Sometimes, just sometimes it's not the players---IT'S THE SYSTEM!"
Jetsfandan Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:33pm ET"It will be nice seeing Jon dominating again, especially for a team outside the conference. However, it will be sad because he was always a stand up guy and really is the type of guy you want to build a team around. It was just better for both sides to part. I, like many others, thought his trade value would have been higher, but I guess there wasn't a market for him. Good luck with the Saints Jon!"
Mike Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 4:50pm ET"Jonathan Vilma is a great player and I wish him all the best. I agree with all the comments that the problem was not Vilma but it was with the 3-4 defense! Since adopting the 3-4 we have had nothing but trouble. Getting rid of the strongest defensive leader on the field will have the same effect that getting rid of Pete Kendall had on the offensive line. This is truly a foolish decision!"
jake b in 323 Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 5:22pm ET"Great post Randy. Vilma is a great player. but only in a 4-3, like Ray Lewis. If the Jets didn't trade him now, they get mediocre production in 08, then he walks as FA in 09. Good deal by Mr T - he had no leverage in this deal."
Charles Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 5:30pm ET"I am very excited about the direction our team is going at this point. GO JETS!!!"
NYCobra Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 5:43pm ET"What a joke! Sticking with the 34D was absurd with this group. That has always been my knock on Mangini...once his mind is made up, there is no turning back. Harris/Vilma/Barton in the 43 would have been nice. Either way, hate to see one of my favorite players beat it, but that is part of the game. PICK UP LORENZO NEAL!"
Anonymous Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 6:13pm ET"this really is a sad day for all JETS fans. i am a fan of "the U" and when the JETS picked JV with the 12th pick i knew what type of MAN we were getting. we have had all sorts of trouble with the 4-3 d . Vilma is a great asset to any team and i think we have made a mistake in trading him. I had the pleasure of meeting jon in j-vill at the sb weekend and he was the best. All the best as a saint jv."
Anonymous Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 6:20pm ET"I'm still a Jets fan, but trading Jonathan Vilma is one of the dumbest decisions ever made, Mike needs to get his mind in the game! If we ever wanna see the playoffs again!"
Braeden Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 6:34pm ET"Lots of great memories for JVil, wish he could have stayed and the JETS could swich to a 4-3. But we all must move on sometime. Im glad he went to the saints too, ive always like them since they got Reggie Bush and Drew Brees. Best of luck JVil!"
keith Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 6:35pm ET"what the hell!! This is is the worst move.What the hell is mangini doing trading one of are best defenceive players after one of are worst years.I was a fan of mangini but thats slowly going away first chabging are D and now this.we better get a first rounder and then some.Sad day for the jets and their fans."
ericNmikeRruiningUS Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 6:45pm ET"we got a guard on the wrong side of 30...a DT who's almost there and we are getting rid of two young former first-rounders...we are losing two picks in this draft for and gaining one (worse) pick in next year's draft. Is there something bogus about that?"
Frank Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:19pm ET"If the rumors are true we are getting Faneca that is the best move Tangini has made. It doesn't matter if it's 23 million guaranteed he is worth every penny since he will cover Brick who we will be dumping next year. It's like getting 2 for 1. Glad to see Samuel went to Philly I did not want to see us spend that kind of money. We need a pass rusher badly. Go get Randall Gay instead"
Drew Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:36pm ET"Jets get Faneca and Jenkins today for money and 2 mid round draft picks. We fill 2 holes that fans screamed about with dominant players.We also traded a good LB that never made a big play since Mangini took over 2 years ago. Watch the games. D Harris made more plays in 6 games than Vilma made in 2 years. This works out for both teams. Vilma plays in a 4-3 and we get a good pick if he plays well."
Drew Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:44pm ET"Tangini totally changed the look of the organization today. 2 veteran players who dominate the field and the headlines are in Green and White. Huge signing &trade.The draft has just become gravy for this team. 2 top picks in rounds 1&2 give a great chance to have a huge bounce back year. Plus multiple picks next years draft. Mr T has begun to silence the critics all in 1 day. The blog will be busy"
Graeme Hutton Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:51pm ET"i have to say i don't understand this, Vilma had been a good servant to the Jets and it was his performances a few years ago that got me into football (i'm english). in a year when we have (lets face it) not performed as well as we would have liked surely we should be looking to build, not lose the talent we already hav. also trading high draft picks?not so gud 4 improving a poor performing squad"
Jared Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:52pm ET"I hate to see 51 leave just as much as the next guy. But its either get value for him now or let him leave for nothing in FA next season. Its business. Congrats to Tangini for picking up 2 big needs with Jenkins and Faneca. For once were putting up money for proven players. Im shocked. We can still get a good DB without over paying like B. Kelly from TB and a tall WR in Bryant Johnson.Now get a RT"
Kash Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 8:31pm ET"Vilma will be missed, this was a bad move..."
Ira Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 8:36pm ET"Randy, If the reports are true about Faneca then this goes down as 1 of the best days the Jets have ever had in the offseason. Way to go Mr. T. GO JETS!!!!!"
Pete Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 10:07pm ET"Jenkins was a great pick up, but now I am absolutely sick to my stomach!"
Kevin Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 11:05pm ET"Let's face it, you can't keep everybody. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Vilma is a good player. But he doesn't fit the Jets' 3-4 defense. Trading him away will save cap room for quality additions like Jenkins and Faneca. Both of these players will make the Jets a better team. Now the team can draft on quality, not on need."
Eric Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 11:23pm ET"Thanks Jonny V, You gave us Jets fans something to be proud of in some very bad times"
Jarvis Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 1:25am ET"J Vilma, Thank you. You pulled our LB crew out of the darkness in just your rookie year. Ive enjoyed watching you play. Your a great player and your going to continue to have a great career. After all our draft pick in 2009 depends on it....hahaha. Thanks for the good times."
JetsNut Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 5:30am ET"OHHHH BOYYYY!!!! JENKINS AND FANECA GOOD START TO A NEW SEASON SO FAR.. VERY VERY UPSET BOUT THE VILMA TRADE HE IS BY FAR MY FAVORITE PLAYER IN THE NFL,BUT IN THE LONG RUN I KNO DAT TAN-GINI KNOW WUT THEY ARE DOING AND WILL TURN THIS INTO A GREAT FRANCHISE LETS GO JETS BABYYYY!!!!!"
Darrell Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 8:01am ET"Good move for Jon and the Jets. As for the 'low value' we recieved, maybe the FO wanted to get a trade done for Jon's sake. Instead of holding him in limbo and squabbling over a 3rd or 4th, we got a deal done that lets Jon get on with his life. This could be a final payback for Jon being the good soldier and upstanding teammate that he was/is. Good luck wherever you go, 51, we'll miss you. "
Joe P. Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 9:18am ET"BAD MOVE with Faneca. In one of the few bright spots last year, when the Jets beat the Steelers, you might all recall that D-Rob had a very good game. That's because he beat Faneca like a rented mule all game. Tying up all these $$$ in 2 aging linemen is a HUGE MISTAKE."
Troy in Houston Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 10:30am ET"I believe J Vil s injury had alot to do with the nothing in return end of this trade,i mean come on a 4th with conditions about playing time etc. (He's HURT) The saints are taking a low risk approach the jets clear money and move on. Its a good move, now go get Calvin Pace to replace to replace V hobsens worthless tail,pick up R Gay or Florence fromSD. Finalize Faneca and this team is rolling "
DC Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 10:32am ET"I will miss #51...I'm tired of the pig-headed attitudes displayed by the so-called Belichek disciples. Mangini better produce or I for one will want him out the door next year!!!"
Cody Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 12:11pm ET"Man i just bought a vilma jersey this season too! Vilma will definatly be missed maybe we can get Lance Briggs or something"
greg kroeger Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 12:13pm ET"Regarding J.V. .. great player! The talent here was geared for the 4-3 and sending him out of here for a 4th or 5th round is a joke. The Jenkins move is another mistake. This player was hurt for the last 2 years and more importantly his work ethic is " horrible "-Lastly, the Fanncea move is a band aid for the Kendall screw up. I can't figure Tannenbaum and Mangini out !"
jetsfan4101 Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 1:08pm ET"YES WE FINALLY GOT A PASS RUSHER!!!!! We don't need vilma we have david harris we can use the draft pick to get a deep threat at wide reciver i don't think we'll need a qb i think chad's the guy this year"
josh Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 1:19pm ET"man i hate to see jonethan vilma leave i am a huge fan of his since he was in miami. #51 will be missed for all jets fans."
Dennis Merino Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 3:54pm ET"What and now who does the management think we are going to root for on this team? Putting a Jenkings jersey up to sell is a joke. They need to set a strategy up that is consistent and it doesn't start on the defensive side of the ball. Vilma is a huge talent and could be used anywhere if the leadership had a clue."
Firefighter Ces Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 4:59pm ET"The Jets front office keeps me baffled and perplexed. The way they have handled their players in recent years has been dispicable. The way tehy handled Pete Kendall was sloppy, and I knew that J.V. was going to be on his way out whether he got hurt or not. And lets not even talk about what they did to poor Pennington, that offensive line was like wet newspaper last year. "
VILMA didn't get a chance to say good bye Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 5:41pm ET"RANDY. I know Vilma wasn't right for the 3-4, but I feel bad for VILMA! Vilma was a GOOD guy. Vilma didn't even get a chance to say GOOD BYE to the FANS. If Vilma plays the JETS, the JETS fans should give Vilma a satnding "O". "
Schuyler Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 6:35pm ET"A little concerned about this move, I would rather see Harris and Vilma in the middle than Barton and Harris, we could have had one of the best linebacking corps, but oh well, Vilma will be missed. "
LouieT Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 7:45pm ET"Jonathan Vilma is one heck of a linebacker. He established himself as a leader on the Jets and a Pro Bowler. I as many Jet fans wish him well, and I will continue to cheer him on. Truth be told, Jonathan wasn't the problem its coach Mangini. I can't wait for him to start coaching in the CFL. "
OMG VILMA IS GONE WE DEAD Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 10:15pm ET"I HAVE AN IDEA THE JETS MAY HAVE A SCHEME UP THEIR SLEEVES IN THIS TRADE THEY MAY BE LOOKING TO TRADE FOR THE PICKS SO WE GET THE PICKS AND THEN GET JONATHAN VILMA BACK IN THE FREE AGENTS SO THEN WE GET JONNY VILMA BACK OLD #51 AND WE HAVE DRAFT PICKS TOO!!! MANGINI YOU BETTER BE MAKING THIS PLAN... YOU LISTEN TO ME YOU HEAR?????????"
AB aka BeeZZie Said:
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 11:01pm ET"J Vilma is a great linebacker, and definitely had the potential to be a leader on the Jets team. His numbers, though declined in 2007, were still respectable after coming off of a knee surgury. I can't figure what the Jet front office is trying to accomplish with this move. On a more personal note: I just bought myself and my son Vilma jerseys. Well that was a waste of $125 now i see. : ( "
IRISH JET Said:
Sun, March 2, 2008 - 11:49am ET"such rubbish were never gonna get the playoffs for a long time mangini should be fired"
ESega Said:
Sun, March 2, 2008 - 9:32pm ET"I hope Braeden's draft prediction is true. Drafting McFadden would be huge for our team, especially after re-vamping our offensive line by adding Alan Faneca. As being my favorite defensive player I'm kinda upset about Vilma being let go but I also know that he has not been able to put up the same stats since moving to a 3-4. I hope he does well with the Saints and make the pro bowl every year. "
PANTS Said:
Sun, March 2, 2008 - 10:05pm ET"I don't get it,with Harris and Vilma in the 3-4 it could hace been an amazing linebacker duo, but no the jets had to go and find a way to screw things up again. Way to let the best player on the team go!!!!!"
crick Said:
Mon, March 3, 2008 - 10:02pm ET"Do none of you people remember when the Jets D was dominant as a 3-4 (Parcells/Groh era)? Herm did the exact same thing Mangini did, he installed a 4-3 even though the personnel didn't fit, it takes a few years. The D will be fine, stop your belly-aching already, Harris is a stud, and no Vilma and Harris doesn't work--good riddance."
Keith Said:
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:16am ET"Vilma leaving is a good move. He doesn't fit the system, he is comong off major knee surgery, and would be a FA after this season. We're better off getting something for him now, then watching him leave and get nothing next year. I'd like to see D Robertson traded next for some DB help."
WillieT Said:
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 1:14pm ET"Thank You for nothing Tannenbaum. Yeah spend all your cap money on four guys and get nothing in return for a premier LB in Vilma. He's an outside linebacker in case you didn't know. Harris on the inside and Vilma on the outside. Im disgusted getting a complete unknown from the draft for Vilma. And I though Terry Bradway was bad."
Xavion Said:
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 8:11pm ET"Without a doubt Vilma was my favorite current Jet, after Martin retired. I think Vilma is a great player and could have still helped us out. He still had outstanding speed he just need help keeping the blockers off him I see him going to many Probawls and the Hall of fame Hopefully He has a Chance to come back and do it as a Jet."
big vilma fan Said:
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:59pm ET"It is probably better Vilma left because he is obviously too young for the Jets. Have Mangingi and Tannenbaum brought in anyone younger then 30? Vilma will be going to the Pro Bowl and the Jets will be retiring."
lincksy Said:
Sat, March 8, 2008 - 3:22am ET"should of kept vilma and ran the 4 3, him and harris would of been nasty "
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Lynn Citron Said:
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 2:52pm ET"This is a very sad day for 1 very loyal Jet fan. An undisclosed draft pick for Jonathan Vilma what a joke. I have absolutely no faith in Mangini and Tannenbaum. I guess I will be trading in my season tickets and use the money to go and see the Saints play. They surely got the last laugh!"
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