Time for Teams to 'Position' Themselves
Published: Fri, February 22, 2008 - 12:39pm EST
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Tony Dungy, Bill Callahan, NFL Scouting Combine, RCA Dome, Ted Thompson
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02/22 — The halls surrounding the Indianapolis Convention Center are great venues for NFL fans to stargaze. For instance, as I was sitting at an empty table talking with Eric Allen for today's "radio interview" on the newyorkjets.com multimedia home page, Colts coach Tony Dungy went strolling by.
The Jets coaches are, of course, among the many spotted coming and going from the RCA Dome and the adjoining hotels for their tasks here at the NFL Scouting Combine. And among the Jets coaches, new assistant HC Bill Callahan was spotted by Greg Bishop, the Jets beatwriter for The New York Times. Bishop asked if he was available to chat, and Callahan politely declined.
But others can do Callahan's talking for him. As head coach Eric Mangini said Thursday about bringing him aboard, "I really liked the things he's done offensively throughout his career."
And one of his former students from Nebraska offered glowing praise of Callahan during his meeting with NFL media later Thursday.
Carl Nicks, a 6'5", 343-pound OT for the Cornhuskers expected to be a second- or third-round pick in April, said the Jets "are getting a genius. He has a nose for detail. He has a massive football brain."
Nicks may be biased, but Callahan, who will work with the Jets' O-linemen, is one of the reasons there is hope for a quick turnaround of that unit.
Another is just the natural process that all NFL coaches and general managers go through at this time of year and prepare for beginning here at the combine. They evaluate their past season, examine their roster and work on making weak areas strong and strong areas stronger still.
Green Bay GM Ted Thompson was the first of the NFL team personnel people to talk with reporters this morning, and he related what happened when he took over the Packers helm in 2005.
"We had two very good, established guards in Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera," Thompson said. "We didn't have a lot of flexibility at the time to do much and we had to let them go. I didn't do a good job of getting those guys replaced that first year."
So in the past two years, some of Thompson's and the Pack's focus was on improving that area of their offense Needless to say, with the success that Brett Favre, Ryan Grant, their wideouts, et al., had in helping guide Green Bay to the NFC Championship Game in January, things seem to have worked out in the trenches.
"It didn't start out as well as I would've hoped," Thompson said. "We're getting better."
The Jets' offensive line situation is not directly analogous to the Packers', of course. But there is a natural tendency for fans and reporters to say, "This team we root for/cover has too much to fix. They can't get it done in one year." But NFL teams can and do strengthen positions quickly in the 21st Century. And the Green & White's O-line is no exception.
Flipping the Draft
The draft order is of interest to the Jets, who sit at sixth, and all the teams below them in the sense that everyone now knows where those three teams line up if and when talks begiit becomes time to begin about trying to trade up into the top five.
But the coin flip doesn't alter the procedures long established for tied teams rotating from round to round. Because the Jets are the fourth team to finish 4-12 last season, they are in the rotation with Atlanta, Oakland and KC. In succeeding rounds, teams move up one rung at a time, with the top team in the rotation falling to the bottom of the order.
Thus, the Jets move to the fifth pick of Round 2, which is the 36th overall in this draft. Then to fourth in Round 3 and third in Round 4 before falling back to sixth in Round 5.
Gil Brandt announced for the NFL, just before Boston College QB Matt Ryan met with reporters, that Atlanta, Oakland and Kansas City had their three-way coin flip to resolve their tie for the third through fifth spots at the top of the draft's first round.
The Falcons won the flip against the Raiders and thus will pick third, with the Raiders fourth and the Chiefs fifth. Since the Raiders hold a tiebreaker over the Chiefs, there was only one flip. Had the Falcons lost the flip, they then would have flipped with the Chiefs for the fourth spot. But that wasn't necessary.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (21)Frank Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:19pm EST"Interesting comment made by Thompson about Wahle who I was clamoring for. Sounds like the same problem Tangini has made for themselves with their O-Line decisions. Sorry but Callahan is not going to fix the O-Line we need to get talented players...got it Tangini. What was the difference between the Pats and the Giants in the Superbowl. THE OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY. It all starts and ends there."
michael Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:42pm EST"hey randy,nice post.do you know if the combine is going to be on cable or the Nfl Network.I hope its cable because i like looking st the collage players doing there best for the Nfl.so write back jets fan for life,Michael"
Randy Lange Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:20pm EST"Michael, NFL Network began showing some of the combine workouts this afternoon."
Ira Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:54pm EST"Randy, You are so right that things can get turned around fast in this league if the right moves are made. Nicks sure would look good in a Jets uniform next year. Frank you have to believe they will get the o-line fixed. A move or two and all of a sudden the line looks on paper like they can be the real deal. It's hard but have some patience it will all work out. I am on the same page as you about Clemens. I think this kid can get the job done with the proper players around him. GO JETS!!!!! "
JOHNNYJET Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:13pm EST"RANDY- THE JETS BETTER MAKE SMART MOVES IN FREE AGENCY AND THE DRAFT BECAUSE THE PATRIOTS ARE JUST GETTING BETTER AND MIAMI WILL BE MUCH BETTER PLUS THE BILLSS AS WELL. THE JETS BETTER MAKE A RUN AT RANDY MOSS, ALAN FANECA, ZACH THOMAS AND ANYONE ELSE THEY COULD GET THEIR HANDS ON! THE SEASON STARTS NOW!!!!!!!!!!"
scjoe Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:23pm EST"Randy, in years past if a couple of teams had the exact won lost record they would flip flop in the second round, will that hold true this year? If so, will the Jets be involved with their 4-12 record and pick third in the second round?"
Randy Lange Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 4:31pm EST"Great point, scjoe, and I'm going to include that in the note at the end of the offensive line Radar entry. The coin flip among Atlanta, Kansas City and Oakland doesn't wipe out the procedure among tied teams in lower rounds. Because the Jets are also 4-12, they will advance one spot to the fifth pick of Round 2, which is the 36th overall, then one spot in Round 3 and one more in Round 4 before falling back to No. 6 in Round 5."
Jim Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 3:17pm EST"I hope the O-line improves dramatically. They were the weakest link. Suprising how people keep saying if you put a good o-line in front of Clemens he'll be good. Compare the stats of the qb's behind the same line. Pennington should be much better behind a decent line. And the difference between the Giants and Pats was not the O-line. It was the talent in the Giants defensive front. "
JetsWin1 Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 4:46pm EST"No PSL's in the new stadium. Keep your real fans and don't substitute them with corporate types weraing white tennis sneakers to our games. Do so and the stadium atmosphere will never be the same."
Frank Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 5:04pm EST"Jim you don't know what you are talking about. The Giants had 4 different runners behind that O-Line all year long and everyone of them looked like an allstar running behind that line... Tiki who? The difference in the Superbowl was the Giants blocked for Eli and the Pats couldn't block for Brady. Clemens will shine behind a line that can block. "
Frank Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 5:13pm EST"By the way Jim and all you Pennington lovers. Here is the only stat that matters. CP 1-6 KC 3-6. A catch by McCareins and one by Cotchery and KC is 5-4. Stats are for losers all that matters is W-L period end of story. Eli's stats are an example of what I am talking about."
Drew Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 5:21pm EST"Hey Randy...just heard the E Allen interview with you from Indy. Nice to hear that you threw the Jet bloggers a little love. I was hoping for a shout out for my Carl Nicks prediction last month. B Cal will push for this guy if available in the 3rd....Frank lets not forget the Pats OL had 3 ProBowlers on it before the Giant D-line ate them up. Both sides of the line are equally important"
Frank Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 6:37pm EST"Hey Drew ready...O-Line, O-Line, O-line. I hope they draft an O-Lineman in every round. Seriuosly if I hear one more guy say draft McFadden I am going to scream. He is not the best running back in the draft Mendenhall is. Assuming Tangini doesn't get it right and don't get Jake Long and McFadden falls in their lap they better call Jerry Jones and get as many picks as possible from the Cowgirls."
Howard Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 8:28pm EST"good to see lots of jets talk here.after seeing the franchise players not sure what the jets will do with the o line but faneca of pitt will go were his buddies are in az.was hoping to get the tackle from the bengals but that wont happen now.as for the draft they still need speed in the front 7 of the d"
Xavion Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 9:01pm EST"Frank in defense of Stats and your theories i dont believe any of those games were won by Kellen Clemens his stats show that, do you seriously believe that had Pennington been in those games we would not have won those. I mean Miami and KC were God Awful and Pitsburg game was won by our "D" in fact the flea flicker that Kellen Threw was under thown to Coles 10 would have hit him in stride 4 a TD."
jetsfan Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 9:23pm EST"Jonathan Vilma is on the trading lock and people are suggesting we trade him for Shaun rogers which is idiotic because if we got Shaun rogers he would be our nose tackle we always needed and people say Jonathan Vilma can excel with a good nose tackle so how about keep jv and wait for Shaun to be released and pick him up "
Russell Said:
Sat, February 23, 2008 - 12:19am EST"So Jonathan Vilma wants to be traded. How about trading him to Atlanta for CB D'Angelo Hall. Vilma can start for Atlanta at MLB and be reunited with John Abraham. Hall and Revis as starting corners, it's just a thought, but an interesting one. At # 06, draft OLB Gholston from Ohio State."
John from Europe Said:
Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:28am EST"This Clemens/Penny discussion never ends. Bottom-line is we know where the ceiling is for Pennington; now it is time to find out about KC. Lets start on the OL with a new LG & RT, get a pass-rushing specialist (Pace/ARZ or Gholston), and a big WR (Gage from Tenn?). If LC/Vilma want out, good riddance. Gets some picks and look for better karma. Stick with 3-4 and give Tangini a shot to rebound."
Frank Said:
Sat, February 23, 2008 - 10:10am EST"Xavion, thank you. You made my point for me I don't even need to respond."
Row Said:
Sat, February 23, 2008 - 5:20pm EST"Yeah, we all know Chad took us to the playoffs twice. But how many seasons did he singlehandedly destroy? I see 4 seasons. Randy, how many FULL seasons has Chad played? I like the guy, but he is not someone to build a team around, that's why we couldn't score last year. Kellen couldn't dink and dunk worth anything... any replies?"
Allen Said:
Sun, February 24, 2008 - 12:31pm EST"I think Jets should go after Pitt OT Jeff Otah. He's athletic and would be an improvement over D'Brickashaw who could be moved to guard where his lack of side-to-side quickness (speed rushers eat his lunch) would not be a problem."
jetslova Said:
Wed, March 5, 2008 - 3:02am EST"i think the jets need soem nice TEand a goood wide ricever i think the O LINE is good we neva had a good TE an tall WR .i still like chad i think he might do good."
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Hogan Said:
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 12:56pm EST"Great post Randy, and I hope yo are right about the o-line."
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