Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, Shaun Ellis, Joe Kowalewski, 3-13 4-12 Chiefs
12/28 — I have always been of the opinion that, as Coach Herm once famously said, "You Play. To Win. The Game." And that means all games: preseason games, games after your playoff seed has been determined, games when you're playing out the string.
Especially when you're playing out the string. Really, whenever I hear how the Jets should lose their last "X" number of games to get the highest draft choice possible, I wonder what competitive world this concept comes from. By that logic, why not just go 0-16 and wrap up the No. 1 draft choice? Or if that's too extreme, after a 1-7 first half the Jets could have mailed in their final eight and right now could be vying with the Dolphins for April's top pick.
It's never a good idea to lose a game at the end of a 3-12 or 4-11 season. People who think it is suffer from Draft Envy, thinking that if their team is going to lose games, it might as well lose dignity, too, and at least get the highest first-round selection possible as a consolation prize.
But the draft has never been and probably never will be a science; it's an art. Whatever pick the Jets end up with, they end up with, and then GM Mike Tannenbaum and his draft team get to work trying to maximize the value of all their picks, by either spending each pick on the best player available or trading a pick for more picks.
Here's another reason to try to win the last game of a season such as the one the Jets will soon put to bed: It's good for next year's business. At least a small statistical sampling implies this.
I researched all teams that finished 3-13 or 4-12 — one of the two records these Jets will finish with — since the 12-playoff-team era began in 1990 to see if a win in Game 16 was a better predictor of success the next season than a loss.
Apparently, it is. The 41 teams in that category that lost their last game produced a combined record of 275-394-1 the next season. That's a .411 winning percentage that is just a hair better than a 6-9-1 season. Further, only six of those 41 teams qualified for the next postseason, a 14.6 percent success rate.
Then there were 24 such teams that won their 16th games. Their combined record the next season was 189-195, a .492 winning percentage that's just a tick below 8-8. And 10 of those 24 made the playoffs, a 41.7 percent rate.
Hmmm ...
But here's the question from Football Philosophy 101: Is it good added incentive to win that last game because it will help you enter the off-season and the next season in a better frame of mind than if you had lost it? You might be able to guess head coach Eric Mangini's approach.
"I don't think there's a significant amount of carryover from ending one way or another way," Mangini said in the last few days. "We are always looking at it from the perspective of this week, as opposed to winning to try to carry over into the following season."
I talked with a few players in the locker room after today's final practice of the season who had their own views of the question.
A win over the Chiefs, first-year TE Joe Kowalewski said. "is real important. To feel good about the off-season, it'd be great to finish off the year with a win, personally and for the team.
"We had so many heartbreakers this year," said Joe-Ko, intense as always. "Honestly, we were just so close to making a run at this thing, but the ball didn't bounce our way. We worked so hard. We just need a positive way going into the next year to get this thing rolling."
Veteran DE Shaun Ellis, on the other hand, didn't think a win or a loss did anything for the new season ahead.
"Nah, because next year will be different regardless. It'll be good to win just to know you won your last game, but the reality is that we'll just be 4-12," Ellis said with a small laugh. "Of course we want to win — that's first and foremost. It's going to be the same this week. We're going to go out and play and whatever happens, happens.
"The main thing I learned is that last year and this year were two different total years. Every year is not going to be the same as the year before. You've got to go in with the same steady approach every year, day in and day out.
"Things didn't go our way," Ellis continued, "but we've been working good for two years. As long as we continue that work ethic and pursuing on, things will have to turn around for us. We're a good group, we work hard. We've just got to do the things that put us in position to win and just keep playing. Pretty soon it's going to have to open up for us."
The Big Katt makes a great point: There is no inevitability to next year because of how this season went, not for the Jets, not for anyone. If there were, the following NFL teams that finished one season similar to how the Jets will finish this season would never have done as well in their following seasons as they did (*won Super Bowl XXXIV):
| Year | Team | Record | Next RS | Next PO |
| 1991 | San Diego | 4-12 | 11-5 | 1-1 |
| 1998 | Indianapolis | 3-13 | 13-3 | 0-1 |
| 1998 | St. Louis | 4-12 | 13-3 | 3-0* |
| 1999 | New Orleans | 3-13 | 10-6 | 1-1 |
| 2003 | San Diego | 4-12 | 12-4 | 0-1 |
| 2005 | New Orleans | 3-13 | 10-6 | 1-1 |
| 2005 | JETS | 4-12 | 10-6 | 0-1 |
Let's put it this way. A win over Kansas City would be great for its own sake. It might even be a small omen for the next season. But come the heat of July and the speed of September, all omens evaporate and hard work invested or avoided will take over. Whatever happens, happens, as Ellis said, and next season as always begins the day after this season ends.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (42)Big Ed Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 4:42pm ET"Are you CRAZY (wish I could bold, underline, and highlight that word)! A win in this UGLY season is MEANINGLESS! Chris Long - need I say more?!?!?!?!"
DaveB Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 5:50pm ET"i hear all you guys talking about how Chad has done good things, how Chad beat brady & favre, and Chad drove us down the field vs steelers and only IF we made the FG we could of won, how we beat the colts 41-0 .all that is great,BUT WHERE IS CHAD'S MVP OR CHAMPIONSHIP RING..REMEMBER THIS " THE REGULAR SEASON IS WHERE YOU GET YOUR NAME, THE PLAYOFFS IS WHERE YOU GET YOUR FAME!!!..SEE YOU 2008"
Christopher Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 6:10pm ET"Normally I would agree, a win would be nice, but the higher draft pick at this point is more valuable. Even if all we do is trade down to get more picks. We are looking at moving down 4-5 spots in the draft if we win this game. I have to agree with Big Ed....Chris Long would look great in green next year."
Vic Fiore Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 6:30pm ET"Hey, at 52 years of age and having delievered the Newsday paper in 65 that announced Joe Willies signing and having read and lived through the gang green years book and beyond, I EXPECT NOTHING and then when I get it I am not annoyed. Just to beat Herms group would make me smile. Thats all.."
Pete Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 7:04pm ET"I agree with you Randy, you play to win the game. If not, stay home and mail in your forfeit. If you have ever played the game, you know how much pride, intensity, blood, sweat, and tears go into every play. When you lose a football game, you usually get physically beaten up. As we have seen all year, you win and lose in the trenches. Did Reggie Bush save the Saints? Win the game! Go Jets!"
Jeremy Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 7:44pm ET"It's easy to sit here and say a win is meaningless, and the JETS should lose this game, BUT these are professional athletes. You don't just give up and show no heart, no drive, no competitiveness-YOU PLAY TO WIN! It might not be the best thing for the future--but it's the draft-no guarantees. JETS should still have a pick at Chris Long regardless of this game. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR ARTICLES RANDY"
mike Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 8:21pm ET"DUDE? WHY WIN? IF WE LOSE WE GET DARRE MCFADDEN IN THE DRAFT IF WE LOSE WE DONT.... I WOULD LOSE ON PURPOSE CUZ HE IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAT ADRIAN PETERSON.... "
Dunnie Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 8:46pm ET"IRA ... i am right there with you. Throwing games is strictly for losers. Ill see you at training camp !!"
Vince Simone Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 9:10pm ET"I waited 12 years for season tickets and the best part of each Sunday was the tailgate parties. I'm giving up my tickets after such a dismal season. Anybody interested in season tickets???"
Hammerson Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 11:42pm ET"I concur and dissent. While the players on the field should play to win, Mangenious should continue the trend from previous weeks to get the highest pick, and minimize the regimes' failures with D'Brick and Schlegel. Eric should start #16 at QB, #81 at WR and PR, run the option, rotate no-name O-lineman from the practice squad, and make sure David Barrett is assigned to cover Dwayne Bowe 1-on-1."
Drew Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 8:23am ET"3-13, 4-12...who cares.Best available draft pick!!! It gives us more options. In saying that beating the Chiefs means nothing!! Does winning the last game of the year after a horrible 3-12 start make anyone feel better? Not any Jet fans.....Randy, Thanks again for giving me the heads up about the blog. It seems like years ago I was writing you at the Record...Great work Randy and "most" Jets fans!"
Major Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 8:27am ET"These guys are pro's, they don't care what their draft position is. Would anyone respect coach or the owner if they were told to tank the last game. As a fan I want to see us do well in the draft but there will be many premium choices in the top 5. "
Bo Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 8:58am ET"Hey Big Ed , this win would mean something to the true Jet fans . Remember Herm the worm on the other side, and I hate to say it we need help on the o-line so unless free agency lands us a jewel or two we need to look to the draft . Chris Long ? We don't need a DE we need help inside . And please for the rest of us true fans "say no more" Happy New Year !! J - E - T - S JETS JETS JETS . "
Joe Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 9:01am ET"Randy - One season has nothing to do with the next. This Jet team is terrible, as is the coaching staff, and things look pretty bad. HOWEVER, the higher the draft pick, the more bargaining chips you have. The ONLY thing positive I can say about Tangini is that the drafts haven't been that bad. Trade the high pick and re-tool both lines! Forget McFadden! It all starts up front - look at the Pats!"
Dunnie Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 9:27am ET"I concur Joe ... the moment you think that losing a game is worth a higher draft pick you should turn in your cleats cause you have just become a perennial loser. McFadden is awesome ... so are both the Longs. I agree ... rebuild the lines, Draft an OLB in the 2nd and draft another WR and QB in the 3rd or 4th round."
Ira Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 9:39am ET"Dunnie, Glad to see you feel the same way. Don't bother to play the game if you're not going to try and win. Hope Clemens doesn't get hit as much as Chad did last week. I see that they will still be rotating Turner and Oldenberg in. Maybe they will improve but lets get out of this game healthy.GO JETS!!! Jets 24- Chiefs 20 Revis get his 1st TD with an INT. Happy New Year!"
Brandon Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 10:34am ET"It would be nice to see the Jets win on Sunday because a higher draft pick doesn't mean you are necessarily going to make the righ decision anyway. Some of the better players come in later rounds as Leon Washington has proved. Win or lose, the Jets need to make some changes if they want to succeed in 2008 and make some wise picks like a solid offensive lineman (like mangold.)"
Jeremy Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:34am ET"Glad to see MOST people agree that losing on purpose is disrespectful to everyone including the players. JETS will have a good pick regardless. All those out there looking for the JETS to tank this game--don't watch it, and don't call yourself a fan--would you tell your son or daughter to blow a game on purpose (DIDN"T THINK SO).CONGRATS to all the rookies, especially REVIS & HARRIS total studs!"
Bryan Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:34am ET"This season there has been a lot of talk about Chad and honestly it doesn't matter what you or I say it is not going to change the opinion of others. Looking back, the comeback player of the year has done more good for this franchise than bad and has a good record in the postseason. If you look at the other number 10 for New York who gets all the publicity (Manning) , Chad has better numbers!!!"
Jeremy Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:48am ET"Forget the Draft possibilities and WIN a GAME.Best offensive STAT this year is 19th (100.1 yds/game), the rest 23rd in pass yds, 24th in pts, 27th in yds. If I put up those numbers at work I'd be guaranteed to be fired--Will Mgmt fire SHOTTY?, I HOPE! I know the Line is bad, but come on, that's pathetic! Sutton turned his D around, but SHOTTY failed miserably to turn this season around-FIRE HIM"
Anthony Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 12:20pm ET"I'm actually hoping they lose. To me, for the long term health & vitality of the team, they do more harm winning this game. Look at where they are in the draft right now, they're at the 3 spot, if they win, they go to 8 & have less to bargain with in the offseason. The season is shot boys, whats the big difference in going 3-13 as opposed to 4-12, not much. But come draft time it matters more"
Jared Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 2:57pm ET"Can this McFadden talk stop please. If anything T.J. deserves an award for gaining a 1000 yards with our putrid o-line and lousy and yet obvious play calling. This draft should be spent building the o and d-line. Hopefully get a OLB and corner in free agency and go from there. If T.J. & KC struggle when we have a good o-line then we can get a new RB & QB but now that is not our most glaring needs"
Jeremy Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 3:13pm ET"Randy, How many games did Harris start this year? Vilma got hurt after what 7 games? That's coincidentally when the D began performing, especially Harris, Revis, Rhodes, D. Rob, Pouha. From week 7/8 on Sutton was able to motivate his D & results were great. D gave the JETS a chance to win all those games! Why couldn't Shotty do the same? Need a new OC immediately. No faith in Shotty, none!"
Randy Lange Said:
"Jeremy, David Harris started Games 8-15 at ILB after Jonathan Vilma suffered his injury in Game 7 at Cincinnati."
Charlie Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 3:41pm ET"Not only do you play to win the game, but you should be playing to avoid a top 3 pick. Since Peyton Manning in 1998, the only other bonafide #1 overall was Carson Palmer. The only thing those picks mean is that you pay a guy a ton of money who may not be worth it. You pick Brick over Mangold. Schlegal b4 Leon. Don't foget Kenny b4 Marino. Give me the later picks who'll earn the NEXT contract."
Ira Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 3:50pm ET"Schotty had an off year because of all the problems they had on that side of the ball. Nobody complained after last year. I think it would be a terrible mistake to bring in a new OC and expect Clemens to learn a new system. Schotty is not the problem. Fix the o-line and the offense will be fine if Clemens can play the way they expect him to. "
Row Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 3:53pm ET"It's funny how we talk about the offensive struggles all year & (the media) asks several questions to Mangini about Sutten. Either it's a given he (Shottenheimer) is going to be fired, or you just don't care what the fans want. Play Elam, he's better vs the run. A coach changes things with his knowledge. 6 pts, 2 INT's, and a FUMBLE on the exchange to Jones is NOT improvement! Just win on Sunday!"
Ira Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 3:56pm ET"I thought the Jets would draft Croyle and instead they took Clemens. Now they face each other tomorrow. Both teams need o-line help so its hard to really judge a young QB. It will be very interesting tomorrow to see how each QB plays. Both are struggling but Croyle gets the edge now. Croyle 70.5 rat,59.1 pct,5 TD's, 6 INT's. Clemens 59.0 rat,52.0 pct,4 TD's,INT's."
SCJoe Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 4:04pm ET"Interesting post Randy. We all know that from a coach and a player perspective you always play to win. But from a fan perspective that isn't always the case. Three wins or four wins matter little to anything except the draft. Your figures were interesting, but all you have to do is look at last years "losers" Det.Cleveland and Minn. They did a pretty good job of turning it around with high picks."
SCJoe Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 4:22pm ET"In my mind, the one player who will make the biggest impact starting from game # 1 in 08 is Darren McFadden, bar none! He will not be available past the third pick, should he dicide to come out."
Jeremy Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 5:54pm ET"Ira, tell me you can't predict every play Shotty calls! Run up the middle on 1st for no gain or loss, throw to the sideline on 2nd and stuck with 3rd and long. All the formation changes give away every play.I believe, don't quote me on it, but the JETS are the 30th ranked offense in the league in the RZ--enough said! An off year is not acceptable-Period, don't make excuses for him, that's a joke!"
Ira Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 6:24pm ET"Jeremy, Schotty made plenty of bad calls but how much of his play calling was a result of an inept offense that couldn't run the ball and give the QB's time to throw? You can't expect Clemens to learn a new O now. Sure they brought in Daboll to groom to take over for Schotty ifhe was offered a HC job. Nobody expected this team especially the O to be this bad. He gets a pass."
Charles Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 8:44pm ET"Shotty should not get a pass IRA he should be "FIRED" Hopefully the Jets are smart and get rid of some of there coaching staff OC and DC and hire coaches that actually want to win games instead of just playing in them. The Jets will never go to the Superbowl under this regime. I can't see the Jets ever going to the big game. Sad thing is I want them to go but It won't happen in my lifetime. Bummer"
Charles Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 8:51pm ET"I hope we beat the Chiefs Sunday but I have this feeling the Herm's squad will end up making all of us look stupid. D. Bowe will look like R.Moss on Sunday. Jet fans please don't boo Herm he did a lot of good for us. Some of you might might be ignorant on the subject but please try to show some respect. Thank you Randy for putting up with us miserable Jet fans. LOL This was a long long year.JETS08"
noah Said:
Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:01pm ET"ehm i cheifs fan but i need u peeps to win so we get better draft choice next season final score jets win it in overtime 34-28 hope you win"
Tom Spicer Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 8:40am ET"Vince Simone if you are not joking about the tickets ? I want them write me back"
Xavion Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:53am ET"I have a few things I want to say first I wouldnt want the jets to dump the game on purpose but with that said. I would be Happier if they lose. A 3 draft pick is a lot better and gives a lot more options over an 8 or 9 not to mention that the pats will pick in there somewhere. "
Xavion Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:03pm ET"And Charlie are you kiding me? if you are gonna throw Carson in there than you have to throw in Vick, and Eli they have done about as much as Carson. Mario Williams has been a stud this year, also top 3's have done well and been franchise players Mcnabb, Julius Peppers, Joe Thomas, Braylon edwards, Larry fitzgerald, andre Johnson. I can go on and on a top 3 pick would be better than a 8 or 9 pick."
Xavion Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:13pm ET"Also I am not impressed with TJ at all sure we had a bad line but the run Line wasnt that horrible Leon did much better behind it. I played RB and lookin at the way TJ runs is sickening he doesnt really seem to read too well and has a hard time cutting and bouncing out. Darren Mcfaddenis a better pure runner and can def upgrade this team better than a Rookie Lineman, sign a veteran OL "
Jeremy Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:45pm ET"Shotty has no future. 3 Rushing TD's and the worst RZ Offense. Since O Line is so bad, why not extra pass protection, 2 TE sets(don't see that alot). You're right it's not fair to expect results from KC in a new system, but do you really think their is a future w/ Shotty? D'Brick has been a complete bust-3rd in League for giving up sacks w/ 12-awful. Revamed O Line won't fix it, watch next year!"
robert Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 9:02pm ET"Have been a jet fan from teams start. If you think wanting a chance at better players in a draft is not really in the teams best intrest. do not know who you root for but you are not Jet fan."
David Said:
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 10:27pm ET"The purpose of this game should have been to see the kids play. To see what we have for next year. Period. The win means NOTHING. Why didn't they put Chris Davis in the game? Or have the fullbacks touch the ball more. OR ONCE EVEN! Or throw a single block! Or get the young tight ends in the game! Either of those things could help the putrid running game. Jacob Bender? Get a clue!"
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Ira Said:
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 4:26pm ET"Randy, Best post of the year. I agree with you. You play to win every game. Like you said no art to the draft and thats at any # where a team picks. I would enjoy a win and walking out of The Meadowlands Sunday Night very much. Its been a long season and i would like to see them end it on a good note. They'll be back in the hunt next year. GO JETS!!!!!!!!!"
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