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File Under: Kerry Rhodes, Dewayne Robertson, Bob Wischusen, defense Thanksgiving Cowboys
11/23 — My good friend Bob Wischusen and I, having driven our chariots to the airport rather than taking the team buses to and from the Jets complex the day before, were conferring in the cold night air on our way to the parking lot.
I asked Bob how he and Marty Lyons passed the time in the second half of the Thanksgiving radio broadcast of the Jets' 34-3 loss at Dallas. Bob, a true pro, said as I expected that he and his sidekick had no problem talking about points of interest for the Jets and their fans.
"You know, it may sound funny," Wischusen said, "but at the beginning of the second half, Marty and I were discussing how the Jets weren't playing all that badly on defense."
I had to agree with Bob. No, they weren't.
Now, does that excuse 34 points, 344 yards — almost two-thirds of it in the last 30 minutes — and another tough defeat? No, it doesn't. And one could make the argument that no matter how well the defense played for a portion of this game, it really was all downhill once the Cowboys sliced to the end zone like an electric carving knife through a holiday turkey for its opening touchdown possession of 63 yards on eight plays.
Let's not forget those parts, but let's put them aside for a moment and consider what happened on the next seven Dallas drives after the first drive: not much. The hosts ran 25 plays and gained 72 yards, a very tame 3.4 yards per play. And they scored seven points, on the miscommunication that allowed Tony Romo to pop a pass to TE Jason Witten over Matt Chatham in the second quarter.
The Jets had their only takeaway in this span, Kerry Rhodes' athletic snag as he fell into the end zone, which was followed shortly by Eric Smith's excellent leaping PD down the deep middle.
They got all three of their sacks in this span, including Dewayne Robertson's best play of the game, the barge up the middle past holding guard Kyle Kosier to take down Romo for a 15-yard loss, giving the Green & White 10 sacks in the last two games.
And they posted all three of their three-and-outs here as well, giving them seven since Sunday to lift them out of last place in the NFL's defensive three-and-outs category.
"We were in the game, we controlled them a little bit and we were able to get off the field early on," Rhodes said. "But later it seemed like they had the ball a lot. When you give an offense like that opportunities, they are going to make some plays against you. They outworked us and outperformed us."
So this is where we stuff that stretch of good play into the dirty bird of 34-3. From there the Jets lost their grip on solid defense and looked as they did at their low points in previous weeks. From there the Cowboys ran 30 plays and averaged 6.1 yards per. From there Marion Barber had runs of 20, 10 and 13 yards and Terrell Owens got to do his thing with six minutes and change left.
The reason this is pertinent is that, while many Jets fans are starting to tell us to "Just End The Season," as they have at this time in past difficult years, the players can't give up. First of all, they're getting paid through Dec. 30 and the reunion with Coach Herm's Chiefs. Second, they're playing for playing time and jobs and careers, as all NFL players do all the time but especially at this time of year.
But most important for me, the Jets defenders established a beachhead against the Steelers. At least it sure looked like a beachhead. And they want to continue to make progress in this scheme.
(It may surprise you to know that despite the many creative alignments and personnel packages against the Steelers, the Jets really may not have played a true 4-3 once. Shaun "Two-Point Stance" Ellis was a great touch, but on those handful of plays when he was a linebacker, the three linemen were still two-gapping. Any four-man lines were in the inventive nickel and dime packages.)
So we can bemoan how the Dallas game wound up, but the defense is in that position of still trying to determine what it is: the unit of Drives 2-8 that is making progress, or the unit of Drives 1 and 9-12 that isn't.
The answer to this question will be further revealed when the D plays a week from Sunday at Miami. That game will set the stage for the Meadowlands matchup against Cleveland's surprisingly good offense and, after that, the trip up to Foxboro.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (48)Anthony Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 7:59pm ET"basically we need a new offense and ofensive coaches our receivers have no hands our line cant block. swirch over defensive to the 4-3 and never ever put chattham at lb and smith at safety again "
Ira Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 8:12pm ET"Randy, I couldn't agree with you more about the defense vs the Cowboys. If the offense was able to establish any type of drives with points during those 3-3 and outs this might have been a different ball game. The D just got tired and pushed around in the 2nd half.I still think Revis did a very good job of taking on T.O. Clemens can only learn from this game. He will be just fine."
Jeremy Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 8:30pm ET"Randy, no offense but the words of wisdom are falling on deaf ears! Certainly do appreciate your journalism--I respond almost daily. However, From a fans perspective-I realize the D has stepped it up lately, and YES they really didn't play that bad, but when your offense goes 3 and out that many times and can't move the chains--WHO CARE-IT'S A LOST CAUSE! "
Jeremy Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 8:42pm ET"What's it like around the JETS facility these days? Did anyone think the JETS would be as bad as the Raiders this year? Morale and Respect have got to be at an all-time low, right? Will Mangini ever admit this team is pathetic and STOP with the "We did a lot of good things" it's getting really old! I can't believe nobody has blown up at the coaches or teammates yet-Atleast not that we know of?"
Vaughn Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 9:47pm ET"There are just so many up and downs with this team I can't understand it.The positives: that cloud blitz with 1 down lineman was the best thing I've ever seen; Revis shut down one of the leagues' top receivers until that last play; the defense did show they can put pressure on the QB at times.The negatives: the offense can't maintain a drive and gives the defense bad field position.Bad play calls?"
Vaughn Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 10:23pm ET"I know this is my second post here, but something has to be done about this offense. Why is the Jets' running game so predictable? Is the line too dumb or not athletic enough to change it up? Where's the stretch play, where's the sweep, why is it always run up the gut? Why did the Jets punt it to the 1 and knock it into the endzone (sorry, that's irrelevant haha.) What's lacking in this offense?"
Howard Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 11:39pm ET"Randy sorry to be away for so long on the blog but i was just to disappointed in this season,but watching the dallas game i was thinking the d is playing really well, if the o could have just stayed on the field instead of being 3 and outs ourselves........this o line need a desperate revamping and just start with both guards.i was glad when we drafted brick but hes got to play better now also"
Fred Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 11:50pm ET"As a die hard Jets fan of 42 yrs.- I actually bought tickets to the Stiller game- 2007 will be my 20th losing season & with 1 more loss 15 of them will be 10+ losses. One outcome after theCowboy game is I"m sure the Jets brass is in no hurry to trade Chad : with KC's arm strength maybe some of those picks will bounce off the defenders hands in the future"
Xavion Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:16am ET"I too have to agree the D played well enough that if we had a better offense we could have won they Held the Cowboys to three Tds and a field Goal and I agree the Cloud Blitz was beautiful with no downline men everyone Just walking around thats what we need. Defensive creativity and take chances trusting our db's Randy can we get a clarification on off pass interference?"
Scott Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:24am ET"I don't buy that the defense is improving. Look at the bottom line: well over 100 yards rushing again! When you KNOW the run is coming, and you can't stop it, you are not a good defense. Just look how Jets fans bemoan the offense being too predictable! So, if an offense is predictable, we expect it to be stopped, but when the Jets see run after run after run in short yardage, they CANNOT stop it!"
Xavion Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:27am ET"I could have sworn that TO extended his arm to hold Revis at bay. and revis still recovered and almost stoped the TD Revis will be a star and a shut down Corner. I love His physical play! For months before the draft I was campaigning that the Jets get him. He is star. But yea had TO not extended his arm Revis would have had the ball. But Randy Moss Pushes off all the time. I dont get It???"
Ira Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:54am ET"In defense of Clemens he had LC miss basically all 3 games he has started. LC left the Steelers game after the long pass. The o-line was still the same line that Chad played behind and it has struggled all year. He is a rookie and the play calling will be conservative because of these issues. Its not fair to judge Clemens based on all those problems. Hope LC gets KC has a better chance to show."
CEDRIC Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 10:47am ET"The defense played well, they have a new confidence about them that i like, but they had no chance to rest. To be honest though Randy, the JETS made a MISTAKE when they HIRED BRIAN SHOTTY. Sutton had no clue how to run a 3-4 but he found a way to innovate the scheme, but they need some better personnel. BRIAN does nothing different, Long story Short, FIRE SHOTTY, He makes Mangini look like a idiot (DECLINED: PILING ON)"
Wayne Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 11:04am ET"Randy, the D would have played even better if the O didn't go 3 and out on almost every possession. TJ up the middle, TJ up the middle and then a short dump pass and PUNT. Fire SHOTTY! The O is SOOOOOOOOO predictable. NO imagination. Revis is a stud, & D playing better cause their playing more 4-3 & blitzing more. Mangini not outcoaching anyone. Wheres the gameplan. Bring back Parcells!"
Eric Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 11:05am ET"Revis is looking good. Harris is looking good. The 3-4 defense will work. There is work to be done but the 3-4 defense will work. In 2 years Mangini has had more production in the draft then Herm ever has. Remember, it takes a time to build a good team using the draft and this is just his second year. There is a future here. Lets just hope one or 2 talented free agents see that and come to us."
Ray Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 11:05am ET"The Dallas game showed once again how unfair it was to blame Chad Pennington for the poor performance of this team. Our defense is ranked dead last, our running back has yet to find the endzone and our offensive line is inconsistent in protecting the quarterback. Tom Brady couldn't win with this team the way it is playing right now."
Jeremy Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 11:40am ET"The D struggles are comletely related to the O struggling to move the chains and stay on the field! So, Shotty has got to step up to the plate and take the blame. These coaches are so ignornant and thick headed to think they can keep doing the same things and expect different results-INSANE!. Why did Shotty keep calling a run up the middle on first down when it resulted in negative yards?"
Jeremy Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 11:57am ET"Shocking that SUTTON is allowing the D to be creative and try new things, which seems to be working,(amazing what you can do when your job is on the line) Maybe SHOTTY can learn something from SUTTON? Yeah, that's FUNNY! If it weren't for WESTHOFF and LEON being studs on special teams JETS would have 0 wins! THANKS WESTHOFF(give the man some credit, he's the only good coach we have, right now)"
Charlie Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 12:37pm ET"Nice post Fred. I don't think arm strength matters that much when DB's know the patterns and jump them. Had CP thrown that pick we'd have heard he didn't have enough mustard to get the ball out there. With that said, lets not throw KC under the bus just yet. Find a mean, nasty o-lineman to set the tone up front. Denver has always blocked well with a small OL."
DR. G Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 2:50pm ET"I love the jets but this is really getting sad i think if they play hard in any game they should do it against the patriots and just lose the rest so they can get atleast 1 or second draft pick "
joe Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 3:20pm ET"Things as usual are so bad for the NYJ that we are looking for any positives at all. We actually have ourselves saying and believing the defense did not play bad. Are we crazy or what ? No silver lining in sight. "
Gus Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 3:52pm ET"yep, thats all we have to look forward to , seeing what we have. Which is no bad thing. I am continually impressed by the plays of Both rookies , Revis and Harris who look like they have been around the NFL far longer than a first year. " You always pass failure on the way to success " Mickey Rooney "
gmf Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 4:02pm ET"Parity in the NFL star players get away with every call against them and get more than some tickie tack call for them retarded cant call the game down the middle some of these refs need to answer for that.....The Defense needs to move Ellis to DT and maybe a power rusher up the middle is more helpful then a speed DT that makes plays but not enough of them.. K. Coleman gimme a break not a starter."
Ira Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 5:43pm ET"Joe,Sorry but the D did play ok in the 1st half. If Revis holds on to that INT and the offense scored some points this might have been a different ball game in the 2nd half."
Row Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 6:03pm ET"I was most disgusted when I saw the whole team, including Clemens smiling and laughing after the game was over, playing around with the Dallas players. It's like they just don't care. This may not get posted, but I don't care I want everyone to know my TEAM & MANAGEMENT is letting me down. I still wear my Jets on the field jacket and beanie almost daily. THIS BETTER NOT HAPPEN NEXT YEAR!!!"
Dan Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 6:49pm ET"This season has been the most frustrating in awhile because the way we are losing (most games). That said, we definetly need a big guy on the D line, and some better O linemen. "
Xavion Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 6:57pm ET"Why is everyone so down on Herm Edwards, I mean he did take us to the playoffs 3 times in five years. and whats with people saying herms drafts were a bust? He drafted Vilma. E. Coleman, Baker, Kerry Rhodes, Cotchery, Hobson, Robertson. Such Critisism is uncalled for against Herm. He played to teams strength. and took chances when they needed to. "You Play to Win the Game""
jake Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 8:21pm ET"Sorry Ira but it was O.K. for everyone to bash Chad so I think it is fair to bash KC!! He better get used to it playing n New York!! I think Manginni knew he was still No. 2 but threw CP under the bus to buy another season for himself. LC has been MIA as a result he would be playing had mgt. treated Kendall and CP differently. The Revis negotiations (Useless)l. We need a front office overhaul."
JP Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 10:22pm ET"Only the Defense should get kudos in this game. They picked up where they left off from Sunday, they got to Romo a few times and TO was shut out by Revis until he finally got one on Revis that almost reached up to swat away. I do not blame them for giving up those points, especially since the Jets consistently went 3 and out...it was embarassing. Looked like a August scrimmage game!"
JP Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 10:26pm ET"The offense was pathetic...however, I do not want to hear about how great the Dallas defense is (even though they looked twice the size of the Jet players). The O-line is horrible. If we cannot compete with Dallas then we are a bad football team. I could see TJ's frustration as he continued to pound forward for 3 yards. There were no changes in the offensive strategies, same plays Chad did."
JP Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 10:43pm ET"Coaching staff needs a serious reality check or they all need to go (except Sutton and Westhoff). How do you go 3 and out & run the same plays - made me sick. No variety - all on National TV. O-line was pathetically small. Tom Brady would be no better here. D-Brick not playing to his potential & Kendall is missed. Even Dallas cheerleaders had a better Thanksgiving greeting than Fight Crew."
Chris Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 10:47pm ET"they shoulda put pennington back in in the middle of that game it woulda been the smart thing to do "
Pete Said:
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 11:05pm ET"Just coming back from a long vacation and unfortunately missed the big win against Pitt. I tip my hat to you Ira, I thought you were nuts! Why are we comparing drafts of head coaches? Not their job. Although Herm was one of the worst game day coaches I have ever seen (really bad), the team ALWAYS played hard for him. I'll never forget Brian Washington walking off the field on Kotite!"
deep Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 12:12am ET"I like the way our D is playing for the past two weeks, But that O line stinks and it kind of stunk up our whole season.I think D. Rob read my comments last time so he stepped it up for the past two weeks. Magini did a good juob in the draft, Only one he faild on is D brick. Why every time im watching The jets play D Brick is chashing the defender that he soppose to block. Revis& lean are studs"
Ablity Mouwon Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 1:55am ET"the season is over, we have to now get the defense better cause our offenese is dead because we dont have any widereciver beside JC but him and kellen just dont have the same thinking and he is not a big play man. we need to turn to the draft, i say please do not draft a DL in the first round trade the pick for a laster first round an d a second rounder it will be lineman if freeagent we need alot"
Joe Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 10:02am ET"I feel sorry for Kellen. While I'm not defending his poor play (and it WAS poor), the real problem is the O line. You could make a case that all 5 guys need to be replaced. Mangold to the pro-bowl? Puleeeeze! He's not terrible but he can't hold Kevin Mawae's underpants. Brick is no left tackle - move him to right. The other 3 just simply need to be replaced. Who's accountable? MANGINI. Yuk."
Joe Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 10:06am ET"The D didn't play that bad? What game were you watching! This D is pathetic, plain and simple. Other than Harris, Revis and Rhodes, the other 8 players are all expendable. Hey Eric, instead of going after "smart" players, how about players that can actually play? I give you props for Revis & Harris in the draft, but the rest of this D is flat-out embarrassing. This product is garbage."
Dunnie Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 10:47am ET"IRA ... I am in total agreement with you ... even before Coles got hurt I was saying we really do need another "A" receiver ... With Coles out we have a second rate WR corps. I like Cotchery a LOT ... but I think he is a really good 2nd tier guy. We need a Wes Welker or a Santonio Holmes. Either a guy that is dominate possession guy or a slot burner. Why no Baker down the middle ???"
mjs Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 11:27am ET"How about improving the offensive line? Clemens ran for his life last game, he had no protection. And the few times he had protection, Dallas blanketed the receivers, and he made made decisions (see the Newman INT). Yes, we missed having Coles on the field, but remember the Jets returned 21 of 22 starters from last season. Nobody saw the receivers as a problem before this. "
Ira Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 11:51am ET"Dunnie, They did use Baker 3 times in the middle vs the Cowboys. Stuckey would've been that deep threat but he got hurt. Don't be surprised if LC wants out after this year the Jets trade Vilma for C. Johnson. Jake i agree with you about Chad taking the bashing. But after 4 games its too early and he did play ok in 3 out of his 4 starts with some nice late comebacks. "
Jim Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 12:43pm ET"It's still November and half of us are looking to the draft already! Pitiful! Baker down the middle? LOL, we need him in protection. We need linemen on both sides of the ball more than we need Montana and Rice in their prime!"
DEUCE Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 12:49pm ET"I LIKE THOMAS ALOT EITHIER HE HAS LOST A STEP OR HE HAS NOT BEEN GETTING THE BALL ENOUGH LATE IN QUARTERS. I LIKE TO BELIEVE THE LATTER. "
zartan Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 6:36pm ET"Eric, i agree with you completly. i was overlooking our LB's and didnt see any that can play but vilma and Harris. the D did play ok but its tough to see this when you lose 34-3 Mangini is a learning coach(the problem) but i do believe that if we keep him and when hes done with this team, we'll be a real football team for onece.I became a die hard JET fan in 94,dont know why."
Jake Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 7:00pm ET" Our whole offense needs to be replaced. Our rushing game is downright horrible. if chad pennington leads our team in rushing touchdowns with only 1, than how can we expect to win? but i don't blame this on thomas jones because the o-line can't hold a block longer than half a second. Its pretty much him against all 11 guys on the defense. "
nick Said:
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 7:36pm ET"If this defense was on the field 25 minutes a game instead of 40 minutes,they would all look like pro bowl material."
Brad Said:
Mon, November 26, 2007 - 12:05pm ET"I was pretty bored with our lack of offense, but I did notice that Kellen was a great investment. We might not be able to run-block, but Nick Mangold and D'Brick are good pass-blockers. You can tell by watching him run the offense that he is our only hope. Although, Thomas Jones is a tough running back. Our defense is still primarily young, give them time."
mistermags Said:
Mon, November 26, 2007 - 8:49pm ET"when was the last time the jets ran a sweep play ! D'Brick is more like D'Feather..and as for Leon Washington as a whole purpose back on any other NFL team with an NFL size line would bust some huge runs every game give him some daylight ( which he never gets with this grossly undersized line)and he looks like Barry Sanders."
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mike marinelli Said:
Fri, November 23, 2007 - 7:10pm ET"Are you kidding. They were so unprepared for that game it was another debacle. Manginin nice job. You are horrible. "
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