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File Under: Eric Mangini, Eric Barton, Kellen Clemens, Kerry Rhodes, Leon Washington
11/04 — Losing may be getting old, but the Jets found a new way to come up with an L, and this one stung like L as well.
"The best plan during the whole game is to make plays," safety Kerry Rhodes said, "and we're not doing that right now. It's hurting us."
"Obviously, it doesn't feel good," linebacker Eric Barton said tiredly, sadly, after the Jets took Washington to overtime today, only to lose to Shaun Suisham's fifth field goal of the game, 23-20.
But actually, the Jets lost to the Redskins' running game. Clinton Portis had 196 yards on 36 carries. Ladell Betts added 64 on nine. QB Jason Campbell scrambled twice for 31. In all, the 'Skins had 48 carries for 296 yards.
"It's frustrating because we had some good idea where it was going to hit," head coach Eric Mangini said of his run defense, which obviously had a false positive in holding the Bills to 108 rushing yards a week ago at the Meadowlands. "We had eight men in the box for the most part. We had some good shots of us playing it effectively and being in the right gaps. Then there were some other shots where we weren't able to do very much at all."
"We knew we had to stop the run and we didn't do it," Barton said. "That's why the game turned out the way it did."
To put the 'Skins' and Portis' games into perspective, here are the most rushing yards by team and by individual in franchise history:
| Season | Runner, Team | Yards | Season | Game | Yards |
| 1963 | Cookie Gilchrist, at BUF | 243 | 1981 | at Pittsburgh | 343 |
| 1961 | Billy Cannon, vs. HOU | 216 | 1976 | at New England | 330 |
| 1990 | Thurman Thomas, at BUF | 214 | 1983 | at New England | 328 |
| 1983 | Tony Collins, at NE | 212 | 1975 | at Buffalo | 309 |
| 1963 | Clem Daniels, at OAK | 200 | 1973 | vs. BUFFALO | 304 |
| 1973 | O.J. Simpson, vs. BUF | 200 | 1971 | vs. MIAMI | 297 |
| 1997 | Curtis Martin, at NE | 199 | 2007 | vs. WASHINGTON | 296 |
| 1971 | Norm Bulaich, at BAL | 198 | |||
| 2007 | Clinton Portis, vs. WAS | 196 |
Portis' 196 yards was the most given up by the Jets to one back at home since Curtis Martin, then a Patriot, went for 199 in the Jets' overtime loss at New England in 1997. And Washington's 296 were the most given up to an opposing team since Buffalo went for 304 in the 1973 season finale, the same game in which O.J. Simpson rushed for 200 to give him 2,003 for the season.
The state of the Jets has had an unsurprising effect on its good people: They're trying to carry the team on their shoulders. They're trying to hit seven-run home runs. And they're making mistakes.
Such as WR Jerricho Cotchery, who was charged with a fumbled reception early in the fourth quarter when the Jets were in Mike Nugent field goal range (although many Jets fans will look at that call and wonder how referee Ron Winter's crew didn't call this an incompletion after Cotchery was slammed by Shawn Springs and Pierson Prioleau). Then Cotchery clearly dropped a pass early in overtime heading toward the 'Skins' red zone.
"I was pressing a little bit, trying to raise my level of play," Cotchery said quietly in front of his locker. "I've got to hold onto the ball. I've got to track the ball and bring it in. I didn't do a good job of bringing it all the way in."
But there were some good moments amid the gloom. Kellen Clemens did start and did play well, if unevenly. He threw well and ran well. And he hopes he gave Jets fans filing out of the Meadowlands today and those to come in the three remaining home games something to cheer about.
"I hope they're thinking something positive about me and about us," Clemens said optimistically after the second start of his career and the first after Mangini took the offense's reins from Chad Pennington and handed them to him. "We're giving great effort. We're just coming up short."
Washington said basically the same thing. I told him after his postgame news conference that he was the first Jet since Bobby Humphery in 1986 to return the opening kickoff of a game for a touchdown and the first Jet ever to perform such an opening act at home. He was happy to hear that, and he was upbeat for his team as well.
"We went 10-6 last year and went to the playoffs. We're not doing that this year, but we'll be better off for this season," he said earnestly.
I agree. There will be a day when the Jets come out of this tailspin and will be a winning team again. But that day is hard to see right now, after the latest truck just ran them over.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (97)Totally FED UP Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:28pm EDT"I should just write the same obituary every week. THEY NEVER STOP THE RUN, NEVER!!! How does Bob Sutton still have a job? Maybe they should put 12 guys in the box. What a total disgrace. I have had it. 1-8? Who is Mr. Johnson holding accountable? No one. It's us fans that pay the price. I can not even get upset anymore, it's not worth it. TOTAL DISGRACE."
Drew Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:28pm EDT"As bad as the defense was today if Cotchery doesnt put the ball on the grass (shocked) 2x's we win this game. For all of the Pennington supporters out there (myself included ) this was the best the passing game looked in 2 years. If we can get B-Schott to mix in the run once in a while this offense will be better with Kellen running it. Hey Randy how the new kid Micheal? Little less sugar huh??LOL"
JETSFAN51 Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:33pm EDT"PLEASE LET THOMAS JONES RUN THE BALL......WHY DONT WE LET HIM RUN THE BALL? CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME......JUST LET HIM RUN THE BALL.....PLLEASEEEEEE"
Jetknut79 Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:36pm EDT"The Jets Defense had more holes today that swiss cheese! Can we please try the 4-3 already? How about finding a DE that can rush the passer? Maybe even have Robertson traded as he clearly can't handle the 3-4.... Can our O-line block on the left side? Thomas Jones still with a big goose egg in the TD category so far..... Depressing...."
Dan Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:42pm EDT"Its the same game every week. Absolutely no run defense...Sutton stinks. We have some good talent, but the play calling has prevented these guys from getting the job done. Clemens has some zip we've needed on those short passing downs...good job kid! This team has alot of problems, but the players are definetly out there playing hard for the most part (Ferguson is killing us)."
Sean Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:48pm EDT"This was Chad's fault like all of the other losses. Has to be. You can't hold Mangini and his arrogant stubbornness with that pathetic 3-4 defense accountable. Why? Ownerhiop obviously doesn't. We're ahead, have momentum and once again his ridiculous defrensive schemes give it up. I'm sure Sutton can coach a 4-3, Mangini just needs to get a clue. Where's Kotite? At least he'd try something. Wow! "
Tony Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:52pm EDT"At least now I understand the defense where they just wander around about six yards off the line of scrimage. They don't lose anything because their D line gets blown back that far on every running play anyway."
Viveca Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:54pm EDT"Clemens looked very promising. All we need now is a whole new defense. Only Revis, Harris and Rhodes are worth keeping. A new running back, too, Jones is not the answer, a gamebreaking wide reciever, a guard and a right tackle. How about trading Vilma for Chad Johnson? Try to get Faneca too. We find new ways to lose!! This time the recievers kept dropping passes! Looking forward to the draft!!"
Howard Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:55pm EDT"i think portis is still running,i just want to know why we cant hold a lead.and why cant the d stand up for the o .i mean ok jc fumbled,why is it the d cant stand up and get off the field with out giving up points.hey i certainly believe we have some fabulous young players but they have to make plays now.so i do believe the glen dorsey pick with some o line men.3 levels of d in the last 2 drafts"
Pat Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:59pm EDT"I agree that Clemens played a solid game and looked very poised, however to say this is best the passing game has looked in 2 years is ridiculous. The opener last season vs. Tennessee and the games vs. Minnesota and Green Bay were all games in which Chad threw for over 300 yards had the passing game humming. "
JP Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:02pm EDT"Kudos to Kellen Clemens today - playing against the Ravens and Washington D is excellent experience. He had some solid passes...there were some timing issues with a few plays but that is because receivers are so used to Pennington's timing. I would like to see TJ get the ball more...he should have gotten the ball when they were at the goal line...but it was good that Kellen go the TD."
JP Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:06pm EDT"Also, there is more potential than Schott is allowing...the O needs to open up with more with the Kellen dimension...think if Coles was on the field. D was simply attrocious. No pass rush, and THE RUN COULD NOT BE STOPPED. Pete Kendall was probably very happy. Brick had some stupid penalties and Clarke got beat bad. Thank God Kellen can run...he was getting hit today. Line needs a Kendall."
nick Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:14pm EDT"forget the offense and dropped passes!!!! this team can't stop anyone. the gaps on the line w the 3-4 d doesnt work. the linebackers are making the tackles 4 yards deep. it's a nightmare to watch teams running on these guys!!!!"
AO Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 8:16pm EDT"if were up in the second half, what would ne sensible team do??? RUN THE BALL, TJ was having a good day on the ground, but yet....we want to pass on 1st downs. FOR WHAT? the play calling in the second half caused us the game"
Don M. Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:01pm EDT"Clemens looked pretty good and had some nice completions and scrambled well to get some key first downs. But I don't know how that fumble by Cotchery was not overturned. I have yet to see a replay since I've been home but the replay on the stadium board was pretty clear it was not a catch and a fumble. The officials in this league are a joke and are inconsistent from one crew to another. "
David H. Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:09pm EDT"The Jets are losing because both the offensive and defensive lines are among the worse in the league. And until both lines are rebult with players that can actually play we will continue to lose. Lets face it, except for one year the Jets have always been a medioce franchise and probably always will be. As a long long suffering Jets fan I'm not sure how much more I can take. "
Ira Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:15pm EDT"Randy, I felt this was the most frustrating loss of the year. Clemens really impressed me today. 42 passes without an INT. Plus his poise and how quick he releases the ball. Why in the world did they pass 42 times and run only 20? +'s Harris 24 tackles [even though they couldn't stop the run] he was all over the field. "
Ira Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:20pm EDT"Can't win games by making the same mistakes week in and week out. Brick 's penalty when Leon ran it inside the 5 late 3rd QT was a killer. Cotchery's fumble was a bad call. Even though the D is so bad they are in every game with a chance to win. Its 3-4 plays each game that have cost the Jets 5 or 6 wins. Same can be said about today. Better days are ahead. "
Dunnie Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:21pm EDT"Am I the only person that thought the play calling made KC look like CP ? They definitely should add some longer passes into the repertoire. TJ needs the ball more and teh OL needs to improve their run blocking big time. The D ... ack .. The D ... dont even know where to start there except draft a Guard/Nose next year that can stop the run."
Drew Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:22pm EDT"Pat...Just because Chad threw for 300 yrds in those games does not mean today's passing game was not an upgrade. Even when Kellen did not have time he found guys down field (10+). Those games (Minn,GB,Tenn) you mentioned had a lot of short passes that turned into big gainers. I am not praising Kellen as much as I am the pass play-calling. The OT play to Cotchery is a great example... Ridiculous??"
Frank Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 9:44pm EDT"Westcoff needs to tell B. Smith to stop stepping in front of Washington during kickoffs. He messed up at least 2 returns because of his selfish play and he stunk it up in the passing game dropping the ball and short arming another. I predicted a few days ago Clemens was going to be victimized by drops. This coaching staff is completely clueless the Jets keep losing the same way every week. WAKE UP"
AtOuL Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 10:19pm EDT"Hey when Pennington called tails he made his best play of the season...haha...ha"
JETS Defensive Line is too SMALL Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 11:18pm EDT"ERIC the JETS DEFENSIVE line is too SMALL!! That is why the JETS defensive line get run on so much in the 2nd half...they wear down because they are not BIG ENOUGH ! By the 2nd half the BIG Offensive lines can just push the JETS samller DEFENSIVE line around. That is why they get run on so much. The JETS defensive line get pushed off the LINE of SCRIMAGE 1 to 2 yards almost every time."
Can't Blame HERM EDWARDS for losing Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 11:28pm EDT"HERM EDWARDS KC team doesn't look so bad now? For all you fake JETS fans that said HERM EDWARDS was so bad. HERM EDWARDS had a REASON for having the bad last season with he JETS. Lets see how many people blame ERIC MANGINI! I can't wait for HERM's team to come for the last game and BEAT the JETS!"
k.carcaterra Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 11:34pm EDT"For ONCE this season our offense wasnt to blame for the loss.We havent been able to stop the run LAST year either, and suprisingly didnt address the situation in the offseason via free agency or draft.Why we dont go out and pick up Grady Jackson just kind of baffles me.He is a proven nose tackle in a 3-4 defense his whole career and probably wouldnt come at a ridiculous price.INSTANT UPGRADE."
alohartb Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:17am EDT"New England and the Cowboys are still riding on what Parcells did for those organizations. Only the Jets killed everything that genius did. Parcells recognized talent and brought this team to a level that hasn't been seen for a long time. However, our great GM allowed all the talent to leave. Good job! We're back to the Joe Walton and Kotite days. YYEEESSSS! "
mloria Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:28am EDT"Clemens is the future. However, it will still be a dismal future. Our Offensive playcalling is absolutely stupid. Our players can't play the 3-4. We don't get the ball in t jones' hands enough. I think the key to turning this team around is all in the coaching staff. Game Plans for each and every game are horrible and getting worse. Lots of talent on bothe sides of the ball but no play calling!!!"
tonym Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:37am EDT"Chad, Clemens..it doesn't really matter. Both are capable of playing and winning games, though each with a different style. The real problem, the 800 pound gorilla that's been in the room all year is the horrible defense they've played. Football games are won (and lost)at the line of scrimmage, and they lose the battle against most teams on both sides of the ball. "
Dunnie Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:12am EDT"The JETS RBs ran the ball 17 times combined .... what ??? If I were TJ I would be fuming right now. This guy dominated better teams last year with the Bears. What the heck is the OC thinking ?? He should get the ball 25-30 a game ... Leon should run the ball between 6-10 times period. I am infuriated with this regime ... this is not rocket science."
evan Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 2:15am EDT"So I'm looking forward to next season, especially considering how great KC played today, and saying/praying we draft Chris Long with the third (?) maybe higher pick in the first round. Glen Dorsey is Dwayne Robertson unforunately. He is a small guy that will not be able to clog up two gaps.Long is a great DE, already plays in the 3-4 at Virginia, will have an instant impact... Thoughts? "
Ira Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 6:51am EDT"The halftime adjustments by teams have really killed the Jets in games they had the lead at halfitme[Giants,Bengals,Skins} and the players looked like they are out of gas come the 4th QT. Guess when you're on the field for so long and can't stop the run this is what happens. Drew, kellen made plays that Chad just can't. His mobility and arm strength is a big difference. They're 2 different players."
Ira Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 7:00am EDT"Who could have ever guessed this, Leon has more KO return TD's 3 than the Jets have rushing by their offense 2. BTW Leon has 1 and Chad has the other. After 9 games T.Jones hasn't even sniffed the endzone. Something is very wrong with that."
mark b Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 7:14am EDT"WHAT THE JETS NEED TO DO IS LOSE THEIR LAST 7 GAMES. AND IN THE OFF SEASON THEY NEED TO FIRE ALL THIER 4AND3 PLAYERS AND DRAFT ALL NEW 3AND4 PLAYERS. FIND A DYNAMIC DUO DEEP DOWN FEILD AND FAST RECIEVERS THAT CAN BRAKE OUT. IN THE OFF SEASON THEY SHOULD GET BETTER DRAFTS. GETTING RID OF CHAD ( I LIKE CHAD) JOHN VILMA DWAYNE ROBERTSON ECT ECT . WE SHOULD GET VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. SPY GATE DRAFT PK"
rob Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 7:45am EDT"The ship be sinkin'. It's pretty clear that there is no pride on this team. 300 yards rushing and no one is embarrassed? Someone needs to be fired."
Anonymous Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:15am EDT"This game is absolute proof that the QB is not the problem, the play calling is. If we had an imagination on offense and gave up the 3 4 pipe dream on defense then we would not be the third worst team in the NFL. Mangini has to wake up and make real changes, not blame this on poor execution or the arm of Chad Pennington. I am happy to see that KC is the future but Chad deserves better than this."
Larryg Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:18am EDT"It was obvious, the Jet receivers are not used to running downfield very far, fast, or ready to catch a true NFL pass. How many good Jets receivers, dropped passes right in their hands? The offense is still stuck in the Chad, lack of arm, system. They need to realize, they now have a real QB arm, who can actually deliver the ball, with zip, & distance. Let the chemistry build, and watch them win."
dougmc Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:19am EDT"Kellen looked good. Harris is very good. Cotchery looked real good but it was a fumble. Bartons best game in awhile. I thought with all those retread lineman they picked up we could find a way to stop the run... We'll need 1 new gaurd, 2 new d-lineman, 1-2 stud LB's, 1 superstar WR, TE, CB for next year in the draft or a deal. Jets still best 1-8 team out there. In all games just needed luck+plays"
Ira Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:23am EDT"Randy, Going back to your article about Barnes why didn't he play again? The Jets can't run the ball without him. he needs to play. If its because he can't play ST's then they better change that. If they have any hope of winning anymore games this year they better let Barnes open some holes for Jones and Leon."
T-Bone Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:38am EDT"i'm sure some brilliant person in NY will find a way to blame this on Chad also. this goes to show you, its a team sport not an individual one. Kellen was like a new toy, looked good but not impressive. put Chad back in!!!"
Joe B Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:52am EDT"It is quite obvious that the Jets cannot compete on the two most basic principles of the game. . .blocking and tackling"
Larry Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:02am EDT"What the HELL are you people talking about? Get rid of the whole D except Revis,Harris,Rhodes. Get rid of T Jones? Kellen did no better than CP? I must be in the twilight zone. We HAVE talent . There IS PRIDE on the players part. They are owning up to their mistakes. They ARE NOT being used properly . Get rid of the coaching staff up to and including "Mangenius" if he cant or refuses to fix this."
Larry Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:07am EDT"Oh yeah, I forgot. Pete Kendall is a class act . Letting him go is yet another example of this teams coaching staff and managements total lack of competance."
troy Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:11am EDT"I know Leon had that 86 yrd kick off return,which was a great tone setter,but no one seems to remember he dropped a for sure touchdown pass on the out and up pattern ,clemens had great pump fake and the defender bit hard .Leon should have walked that one in and it puts the game away,he blew it just as bad cotch and b smith bad day for l coles to sit he has the best hands in the nfl"
keith Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:16am EDT"GRADY JACKSON....HELLO.....is ANYONE listening?????"
draz67 Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:58am EDT"Harris, 20 tackles!! I think he leads team with only 2 starts. Good-bye Vilma. What has hollywood done all year? He should be sittin. Hobson has done nothing either. Time to rebuild - if we stay with 3/4. Vilma, Penny, Coles, Dyson all gone next year. Draft order - NT, another MLB, OG, WR. Trade alot and stock pile picks."
Don M. Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 10:18am EDT"Hey AtOul - The home team doesn't make the call on coin flips. Totally agree with Frank. B Smith needs to let Leon take the kickoffs. Mangini and Mr. T need to get some linemen and play the 4-3 next year and not be so stubborn. It's killing the team. If they don't, they should both be out of the door after year # 3."
Lou from Staten Island Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 10:36am EDT"every week the jets pull defeat from the jaws of victory! You cant fix this season only plan for the next. The coaching has been terrible and the team plays stiff! maybe they need a day or two off to mentally regroup. Everyone in the stands can figure out the play calling-1st down, handoff to Jones! Heck the flight crew could defend that! Time management abysmal! Talent not consistent "
Chris Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 10:39am EDT"Why is it that this team does not address its needs? We need a NT in the worst way, we need a guard in the worst way and yet they stand by and do nothing. Mangini, Sutton and Schottenheimer all take the blame for this debacle of a season. The defensive scheme is not working. The 3-4 is a joke without the proper personell. T"
Frank Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 10:56am EDT"Hey Mangini practice what you preach. If each year is unique to itself then why aren't you playing a 4-3? That is the personel you have right? You shouldn't be married to a system especially one that clearly isn't working. Great coaches adopt a system that works for the players not the other way around...got it?Congradulations you have brought this franchise back to the depths of the Kotite error!"
Alain Audain Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 11:27am EDT"Grady Jackson..nuff said!...I guess we are glutton for punishment...this guy was there to solve our NT spot...but noooooooo.....remember corey simon???..we let him go by too!......I guess our scouting team is out to lunch"
Charles Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 11:47am EDT"Another record broking against us. Made C.Portis look like L.T on Sunday. Please Miami and St. Louis get a win streak going so we can have that top pick. I new we would lose again this is getting old. No matter what we do we will always find a way to lose. I never thought I'd see it but when I was at the bar this guy was wearing all Jets gear and was rooting for the Pats to win. Sad time this year"
mloria Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:04pm EDT"I completely agree with Larry, we have alot of talented players and subpar management and coaching staff. I have the perfect solution. Didn't Curtis Martin say he wanted to own a team.Please buy the Jets. Didn't Parcell's say he doesn't want to coach, but would like to be a GM. There's that taken care of. And then, they can fire Mangini and his staff, and go get Marty Schott or someone experienced"
Dorian Lopez Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:09pm EDT"it's hard to know where 2 begin. Clemens played and still managed 2 get the team only 13 pts--same as Pennington. Receivers dropping 2 many passes. Offensive Line permitting sacks and pressure. No run defense whatsoever. Hard 2 see how all these problems will be fixed b4 end of this season."
Charlie Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:17pm EDT"TJ has the 5th most carries of any back this season. Some notable rb's who have less than him are A. Peterson, L. Tomlinson, L. Johnson, J. Addai, and B. Westbrook. The problems not his lack of touches, it's the lack of offensive plays. 2 offensive possessions in the first half. The defense can't get off the field and keps the O on the sidelines. Period."
Jeremy Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:17pm EDT"FIRE SUTTON, OR BETTER YET STEP DOWN, SUTTON!! SHOTTY isn't doing much better, remember THOMAS JONES #20, HE hasn't scored a TD yet, just pathetic!! Atleast we are looking a a good draft! Every second half the JETS come out flat and the D gets run over; Way to go SUTTON, good coaching! I'm just suprised nobody has blown up on the sideline yet? Lets see some emotion, boys!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:19pm EDT"Our worst lose this year was our win against the Dolphins!Now that we want to lose,they probably will start winning."
Uncle Joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:27pm EDT"What did D.Coleman do that has him in the dog house for so long?Dyson and Barret should be off the team.Nugent,GONE.Hobson and Vilma,GONE.Robertson,GONE(unless he could play end).Whatever money saved from them should be given to Harris and Leon,so they never leave us.The guys that make the least do the most!"
Uncle Joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:36pm EDT"I understand NE is a good team but something happens in that locker room at halftime.Legal or illegal,they are always losing or close by halftime,and then something happens.If a team had two different game plans,one for the first half and one(with totally different language and formations)for the second half I bet they beat them.They are a TOTALLY different team in the second half."
Row Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:38pm EDT"The D bent, but it didn't break. A few LB's sent into the RIGHT gaps and we would have had a MANAGEABLE game. The problem is GAME MANAGEMENT. Our OC doesn't want to score TD's. We're all about motion, and big WR sets. The opposing D gets in a dime & sends a CB & SS and it's over. CHANGE SOMETHING. Smith proves he's not a receiver, McCareins proved he is. I want to see POWER I RUNNING! NEW OC!"
Bhalls Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 12:48pm EDT"I just wanted to say I liked seeing Wallace Wright in on offense. We need a completely new game plan with an emphasis on running the ball. Let's play like Herm did, control the clock with running game, no penalties, and find a way to win. No offensive line can pass block for almost 50 plays. SOMEBODY SEE THIS, RIDICULOUS. GET A CLUE MANGINI, YOUR OC HAS GOTTEN WORSE. Put in a new O over the bye. "
Uncle Joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:01pm EDT"Hey Randy,whether or not you post my last comment,I still want to thank you for being just about the only thing fun about this season.I think I speak for everyone when I say THANKS FOR GIVING US ALL A CHANCE TO VENT.And to everyone,The Bye is a good time for RANDY APPRECIATION WEEK.Again Thank You."
Randy Lange Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:04pm EDT"Uncle Joe, I didn't post your previous comment, but I thank you for the sentiments in this one. By the way, for those keeping score at home, last week we passed 5,000 posted comments this season."
Ira Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:08pm EDT"Forget Grady jackson or Corey Simon. Wouldn't fix the problems with a 35 year old NT or a player who has been hurt. Same people here that are jumping ship are the same ones who were singing their praises last year. They have had good drafts so far and they will regroup after this season is over. Big change in the roster is coming and just like 96 1-15 they went to 97 and 9-7. Keep the faith!"
Mike Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:26pm EDT"Scary thing is that Mangini has no answers whatsoever. Team has lost it's focus. Mangini might end up like Bellichick, who was initally not a very good head coach (Cleveland), but blossomed with the Pats. Mangini might wind up as a good head coach elsewhere. The Jets get to deal with his growing pains. Tannenbaum won't fire him because they are buddies. The Jets have no injury excuses. Very bleak."
Michael S. Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:44pm EDT"Grady Jackson signed with Jacksonville. Thomas Jones will be able to run more if the O line opens some more holes. Come on the guy was in the Super Bowl last year. Kellen did a great job for his second NFL start. We need to draft a pass rusher in the draft. This team has a lot of talent and it frustrates Jets fans to see them at 1- 8 now. Something has to change in the offseason."
yes you can blame PREACHER HERM Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 1:55pm EDT"That game on Dec 30th is going to have some meaning afterall - two coaches clinging for dear life to the last head coaching jobs they will ever have in the NFL. I think I just heard Herm call his first time-out for that battle, 55 days before kick-off. The Jets will be 2-13 heading in(thank God for the Dolphins)"
Ira Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 2:18pm EDT"Mike, Believe me Eric has the answers. He just can't blink and change things. It takes time. Bottom line is last year they made the plays they aren't making this year. Its a few every game. 1-8 can very well be 6-3 even though they can't stop the run. The whole team would be playing better if they had won some games. This season is like a snow ball just getting bigger and bigger."
jetslove Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 3:12pm EDT"Our entire defense besides harris and revis needs 2 be let go. It is sad watchong the Jets and tghey need 2 run the ball with Leon Washington more because thomas ones is not the answer at all, he runs from side to side and has anyone noticed that Leon has 4 toucdowns this season. 3 with KO and 1 rushing but yet is on the sideline most of the game. We went far last year when he was the premiere!"
uncle joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 3:19pm EDT"The Humble David The Hitman Harris used to look up to Hobson.How does he look at him now?24 tackles.Mangini get us more like that Please.Any chance Brian Cox suits up for the Steelers game?Love Revis,But If Moss Would Have Caught That Bomb..........................................................................."
Uncle Joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 3:28pm EDT"And,how come when Washington's QB Cambell was running and faked like he was gonna do a feet first slide,then continued running no one said anything?That should be a 15 yard penalty! Cotchery gets a pass as long as he continues to play great against New England. How bout the Dungy/Belicheck hand shake?Does he get along with anyone?"
Mike Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 3:46pm EDT"Ira, did you listen to the press conference? Mangini must have been watching a different game. The guy says the sane thing week after week. Any team can say with a few breaks they could be undefeated. The NFL is based upon record, not would might have been. 3-4 isn't working. D-line shows no fire. Zero pass rush. Guys are quitting in the fourth quarter. Jet fans deserve better than this."
Dan Londeree Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 3:49pm EDT"I didn't see anything special about Clemens' performance. The reality is that the team still lost, and supposedly this is why Pennington was benched. Pennington was not the problem with this team, and I personally hope he gets to rest the remainder of the season and then ends up with a team with some decent WRs."
Danny Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:17pm EDT"This gets so frustrating I can freaking explode. Always starts with a promise then things go wrong. I'll still stick by because I'm a fan but come on guys.Another thing I'm not a coach but if Mangini is a d-man being his team is designed for 43 instead of 34 why isn't he just giving it a shot. At least until he gets what he needs for the 34. I mean Vilma is a great MLB and his talents aren't used."
Clemens is THE ANSWER? Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:27pm EDT"Are you guys excited about a quarterback who has a rating of less than 60%? This guy is going to lead your team to the promiseland? This franchise is a ship without a rudder, leader or destination. Jets opponent's can't wait to play them the remainder of this season but for years to come."
Bobby S Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:36pm EDT"One question, why does Mangini insist on a 3-4 defense when since last year they have te personal suited more for a 4-3? It's obviously not working. They couldn't stop the run last year and it's gotten even worse this year."
Jim Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:51pm EDT"Forget needing a pass rusher in the draft. We need to stop the run! If it's 3rd and 7, we need a run blitz more than we need a pass rusher right now. I'm still trying to get over Pennington losing his job cause we don't have the personell to run the 3-4 defense!!!"
jets fan in atl Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:52pm EDT" cant belive we are still stuck on this 3-4 crap at least when edwards was here we had a top 10 defense every year thats the only thing i liked him for "
Schuyler Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 4:53pm EDT"Wow, I just read the box score and it said that David Harris had 24 tackles, that is just crazy. Randy,Are those numbers right? His second start and he's racking up tackles like a machine. That has to be a mistake by nfl.com. Game ball should definately go to him if it isn't. Go Jets! "
Randy Lange Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 6:10pm EDT"Schuyler, the 24 tackles is not a mistake. That's what the pressbox stat crew gave him. But tackle numbers are always unofficial. Eric Mangini said today that by the coaches' video breakdown, Harris' total was "a little less than that.""
Row Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 5:24pm EDT"I am sorry for posting twice, but I don't want other fans to see me wrong. I really like Mangini, but any coach that will not question things that are not working needs to be fired. I haven't seen ANY change in game planning, technique, or coaching = huge problem. Both sides of the ball have done the exact same thing over the coarse of the season. O & D have been better, and worse. Change or Fire!"
Frank Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 5:25pm EDT"Hey Ira Mangini doesn't have the answers that's why the team is 1-8. He is responsible for the scheme and the personel he suits up on Sunday. He is also responsible for the childish games he played with Kendall and all the other guys you don't hear about. The team is turned off to him and clearly not responding. Continuing to play guys out of posistion and only "his guys" has created this mess."
D.B. Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 5:36pm EDT"What happened to the no nonsense coach, stop looking like your sulking on the sidelines and COACH? You said only the best play for you, then why is Cotchery still in the game. Three dropped passes that he should have caught and he makes a 30 yard catch and dances around like he won the SuperBowl. Will somebody tell him that we are 1-8. Also, if Sutton can’t do the job on defense, Get Rid of Him. It’s an embarrassment being a JET FAN"
Cody Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 5:42pm EDT"The Jets have no other choice but to go back to 4-3. Dewayne Ferguson is not big enough to play nose tackle in the 3-4 he just gets washed down the line EVERYTIME. Also, Thomas Jones doesn't get used enough. If they would just be consistent with him it would open up the passing game that much more now with Clemens starting. Stretch the field PLEASE."
Vaughn Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 5:58pm EDT"If I remember correctly, last year the Jets played the 4-3 for the first half of the year and were one of the worst run stopping teams in the NFL, so nothing has changed. Perhaps it's a problem with some of the personel on the field or the defensive coordinator. The Colts were able to fix their problem stopping the run, lets hope the Jets can do the same sometime in the near future. "
Randy Lange Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 6:13pm EDT"Vaughn, the Jets played a 3-4 base all season in 2006. The only game in which they mixed in a significant amount of 4-3 was Game 4 vs. Indianapolis."
Larry Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 6:49pm EDT"If I hear 1 more thing about Herm Edwards and the defense I'm going to scream. The only reason our D was what it was with Edwards was because of DONNIE HENDERSON, who by all rights should have been named Head Coach. Herm Edwards couldnt manage a clock at a bus stop. What I will say for him though is he had the players respect because of the person he was, not because he coached like a tyrant."
Jared Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 7:02pm EDT"How can anyone say anything bad about Clemens? IT WAS HIS 2nd START EVER and he still had a solid game against a top 2ndary in Wash. Did anyone notice how when he threw the ball on a 5 yard out that the ball got there fast and on time instead of flutter in the air and turn into another 4th quarter INT? And if CP was in he would of gotten crushed instead of scramble for positive yards like KC did"
Ira Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:05pm EDT"After watching the game again i was wrong about the Cotchery call. It was a fumble. Cooley got away with a hold on Thomas on his 22 yd run to set up the winning FG."
Joe Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:14pm EDT"Every defensive coach needs to be replaced - every one of them. The Jets certainly don't have the best talent on D, but they are totally underachieving. Being out-schemed every single week is a COACHING PROBLEM! Having said that, the entire defensive line needs to be replaced. B. Thomas has become invisible. Vilma is trade-bait. Harris and Revis are studs to build around."
Bryan Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:01pm EDT"The Jets didn't win? why because Pennington wasn't behind the helm! What happened to Clemens being the Jets savior? I don't care that is only his second start, when Pennington took over for Testaverde he led them to a playoff berth and put up MVP like numbers (22 TDS 6 INTS). Lets face it, unless the commisioner decides to move the Jets to the NFC, they will never win their division (Patriots)!"
J Said:
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 9:01pm EDT"Doesn't matter who gets the start, they can't win. The defense is an embarrassment, and some of the bad throws KC had would've gotten Chad booed outta the stadium. With all the hype about KC's strong arm they barely let him throw downfield. They should've taken a shot to the endzone before the JC "fumble", in OT and they should've also gone for it on 4&7, D can't tackle anything. "
Brandon Said:
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 1:58am EDT"Anyone else think we should of got Randy Moss in the offseason like i said we should if....I swear the management of this team is awful."
Xavion Said:
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:49am EDT"Why was everyone so down on Herm Edwards? I thought he did an excellent Job with the Jets and Donnie Henderson was there for only 2 years, 2004-2005 before that was Cotrell I think I never thought Ted was that good. But herm took us to the playoffs a number of times and the years he didnt we Lost our statring qb for significant time. I think hes doing a good Job in kc considering his personel."
Xavion Said:
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:53am EDT"Also I liked Herm for his fire and enthusiasm. Instead of Mangini On the sideline with that same dull expression. Ill never forget that time in 2004 playoffs where herm and Jimmy Raye got into it about field personel. That showed herm had a say in offense and Im sure in the defense as well. The only case of poor clock management that I thought cost us was the 2004 game vs Baltimore "
T Said:
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 10:04am EDT"Randy, I want to thank you for giving us FRUSTRATED AND FED UP JET FANS a place to vent. When has 1-8 become acceptable? Walton and Coslet got killed for seasons that were not as bad as this, why is the coaching staff getting a pass? There is more talent on this team than 1-8! Would u agree? I pay $2,400.00 a year for my tickets and get this crap? Totally unacceptable. Where is Mr. Johnson? "
Tom Said:
Wed, November 7, 2007 - 3:30pm EDT"Hey everyone. I was very dissapointed with game since it was the only I will get to this year, but two questions bugged me. Chad was benched because the team was losing (despite pretty good play from him) and becasue he "has a weak arm". But Kellen Clemens (who also played well) barely threw a long ball. Why? They seem to be running when they should be passing, and passing instead of running."
Tom Said:
Wed, November 7, 2007 - 3:32pm EDT"Also, the other point, whats going on with our d? We had a good defense last year but this year there are an enormous amount of penalties and we can't stop anything. I know we switched to a new scheme, but it isn't working, if our personell fit a different scheme then lets change back and make it work!!!"
Chas Said:
Fri, November 9, 2007 - 8:53am EDT"......QB change sooner, run the 4-3, ( your personnel's strength) Is Thomas Jones still on the roster? (Just give him the #$%^&* ball!!!!)"
Patrick Said:
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 2:42pm EDT"there is somthing defenitaly wrong with the coaching we hardly run the ball and klemens threw no long passes when he is supposed to open up the game for us. We seemed to play for the tie at the end of the game instend of the win whcih i thought was a weak move and then in overtime we threw one long pass then kind of got scared that we passed the 50 yard line and sat on that."
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dave h Said:
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 7:25pm EDT"I thought the defense played well, holding the redskins to field goals as they did, but when a QB runs for 29yds , and Portis for 196yds, its hard to remember the good stuff, Washington controlled the line on both sides of the ball,and in the 2nd half the clock. The change to KC was justified, droped balls hurt."