Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Eric Mangini, 1-4 record, Jacksonvile
10/10 — The Radar has received some nice comments recently from Drew, Dunnie, Uncle Joe and others who feel we've got a good sense of community going here, and we thank you. It's generally not a contented community, though, with the way the first five games have unfolded. And some folks aren't happy that I'm not critical enough and I want to distract you with facts and stats that somehow are perceived to be jokes.
To those critical folks, I can only say: Sorry, but you might want to find a new Web site. I'm going to pass on statistics and charts and information I uncover, mostly positive but some negative, because I think the info is interesting and neat and most of you would at least like to know about it.
And in case anyone missed it, the name of the site is newyorkjets.com. I work for the Jets and I am going to give you the positive spin as stated by the head coach, the general manager and the players because that's what they believe and that's what I believe as well.
For instance, Eric Mangini at his morning news conference today had a poignant perspective on the 1-4 record that is staring his team in the face. The coach has been heard to state a few times that one season has nothing to do with another, but he used a question about that philosophy to hearken back to a year ago this week, at what is remembered by many as when the Jets' 2006 season hit rock bottom at Jacksonville.
"Last year at this point we were 2-3, we'd just been beaten, 41-0, we couldn't run the ball, we couldn't throw the ball, we couldn't stop the run," he recalled. "That was one of those days. It was like a 12-sack day. Nothing went right."
Out of those ashes the Jets fashioned a playoff run, which, of course, was put aside once the loss to the Patriots was over, but the constant from last season to this season, Mangini said, is the players' approach.
"We have a good locker room. There's a lot of character in that locker room. And we've faced adversity," he said. "I like the way these guys work — I've said that a lot of times. This is a good group. Adversity helps reveal character. That's why it's constantly important to bring good character guys into the locker room. You're going to deal with adversity every season, every game."
Needless to say, there are no Namathian guarantees from here. But this season could go any one of, oh, four ways. Let's use four recent 1-4 starts in recent Green & White history as examples:
They could go an ugly, embarrassing, forgettable 3-13 as the 1995 Jets did.
They could struggle to a miserable 6-10 campaign, as the aging 2003 club did.
They could put together an inspirational but still postseason-less 8-8 season as did the '99 Jets.
They could thrust themselves back into the playoff conversation with a 9-7 season as did the '02 Jets.
You all have had ideas and will have more about if and how this can be accomplished. I'll be waiting to hear from you.
In fact, CaneJet just gave me an idea. Radarheads, send me the win-loss record you think the Jets will finish with this season based on the 1-4 start. I'll post each record (and comment, if you want to give one) at the end of this Radar entry. I'll average out the prognostications that I get through Saturday midnight and report to you in my pregame blog before Sunday's Jets-Eagles matchup how optimistic or pessimistic this particular fan base is about the rest of the season.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (54)Ira Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 4:14pm ET"Randy, Eric used the Jaguar game perfect. It doesn't get worse than that and they responded well after. BTW The Radar Rocks and you do a great job with it. It makes Jet s football much more interesting and fun. Thanks!"
Vish Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 4:19pm ET"I believe the Jets Team have talent and I have complete faith in coach. I think the main problem is the play calling/formations. Every body can see when TJ is lined up 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage it's a run play and if he is lined up about 5 yards it's a pass play. Opposing defenses smell the play right away. If we fix the play calling/formations we should be ok. J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets"
Sheldon Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 4:25pm ET"I still think that chad is getting up their in age and is not being consistent. Kellen Clemens should get the start. If chad shows up on sunday, maybe ill change my mind"
CaneJet Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 4:57pm ET"Randy, I like your blog just fine, and I'm happy to contribute comments. I unsubscribed from all my Jets feeds except this one. BTW, I think this looks like an 8-8 team."
Tom Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 5:31pm ET"You need a 340 or 350 POUND NOSE TACKLE that can at least HOLD his POSITION on the JETS DEFENSIVE LINE. IF the NOSE TACKLE can't make penetration, then the NOSE TACKLE has to HOLD the line of SCRIMAGE. This is what Patriots NT Vince Wilfork said about the NOSE TACKLE position. "If you don't have size and strength, you're in bad shape," Patriots NT Vince Wilfork (6-2, 325) told the Daily News."
Schuyler Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 5:37pm ET"Simply put, this team has to focus on this weekend. The Eagles are not exactly stellar, but shutting down Westbrook is key. Put one foot in front of the other, get one win and than focus on getting another. Eagles, Bengals, Bills are their next three opponents, all three are below .500, this is the stretch where the team can get some momentum to build on and get back into a winning mindset."
Schuyler Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 5:46pm ET"One other thing I would like to add, if any team can come back from this terrible 1-4 start, it's the Jets. Mangini coaches consistency in approach, so that's a plus in a situation like this, they focus on winning the next game, instead of worrying about the previous losses and their record. Go Jets!"
Niall Mac Lochlainn Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 5:54pm ET"Hey Randy, keep up the good work-The blog HAS been a positive addition to the Jets fan experience this year, particularly if I may say so for far away fans like me(travelling 3,000 miles + for Sunday's game) It's been a tough ol' time for all of us but that's when real fans stick by their teams-when the results aren't coming. Keep the faith Gang Green! Record for the season 8-8"
troy Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 6:52pm ET"Randy great as always , i think eric will start to make the adjustsments this week on D and hopefully chad will bounce back and the team will get on a little roll , some tough teams lie ahead BUT,very beatable teams maybe expect for NE dec 16...I still say 9-7 fight for wild card...they'll get it going this week against Philly."
the_hunted Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 7:08pm ET"Hi randy, I don't beleive in this season for the jets. but i do belive in the team. only sorry that I and the fans have to be embarresed by not only national TV but by players who dont act like men and make opponents fear them. the ravens have had a number of losing season but still the nfl teams fear the ravens, and also the bears. sorry but reality is the jets are a sometime playoff team. no SB."
Ira Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 7:26pm ET"Randy, OK here goes, If the beat the Eagles they will have a chance to get to 4-4 when they play the Bills and finish 9-7. If they lose to the Eagles i am sad to say they will finish 5-11.Go JETS!!!!"
Fred Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 8:41pm ET"Well Randy I've got my Titans of New York shirt all ready for Sunday, & I really want to see them beat the Eagles . I live in Phila. & will hear a lot of crap from Eagles fans (including members of my own family) if the Jets lose . So Jets start turn around Sun. & finish 9-7 but probably lose out on any playoff tie breaker"
Seth Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 11:04pm ET"I hear a lot from other media saying this Jets team has no play makers or talent. They exclude Cotchery and Coles, but I believe, including them both, this team has the talent, thats why they are professionals. I still think they can find their run game with Thomas Jones and at least get something started. I see the Jets finishing a modest 7-9."
aosjo Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 1:07am ET"Jets bounce back. Chad has his typical "A"game, which will shut his critics up again, and keep certain fans from jumping off the cliff. Mangini will not hear anything more about the 4-3. Jets 10-6, Go Jets. "
cheps13 Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 2:25am ET"I say lets take it one game at a time approach and see what plays out,but one more bad game fromPenni and thatsAdios amigo7-9Randy."
John Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 3:42am ET"Playoffs? There is no bigger diehard than myself but let us be honest, we are VERY close to being 0-5. We have no running game, a QB that needs to be upgraded eventually due to lack of arm strength, a D-Line that can not stop the run or pressure QB, LBs too small for the 3-4, and only 2 out of 4 DB spots filled with good players. We are in trouble folks whether we manage to win 8, 6 or 4 games."
michel Richmond Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:07am ET"No nose tackle!!!! no fun!!! No Nose Tackle No fun!!!!!!! no nose tackle no fun!!!!!!!! no zip on the ball more pick offs !!!!!! no zip on the ball more pick offs!!!!!"
Howard Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:20am ET"Randy great radar i love reading the post by everyone.one big problem this year is the fundamentals on d i think we've missed more tackles already this year then all of last year just throwing shoullders doesn't cut it in the nfl.theplayers need to wrap up.on o we just need to block better for the run game with out these fundamentals 5-11and i will always be a JETS fan"
Bassett Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 7:46am ET"I knew that this was going to be a rebuilding season and a step back from the playoffs, but it's been a hard start. One hopes they can still make a playoff run, but it's hard to imagine them tearing off 8 or 9 of their last 11. I think the team will end up at 6-10."
Wayne Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:28am ET"They will lose every game that Chad QB's, then go .500 once KC starts. Since they will stick with Chad too long, at least through the bye, they will finish 5-11."
ChasmGM Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:49am ET"10-6 We have a good chance with the next three games and could very well be 4-4 in three weeks. From there we will probably split Washington and Pittsburgh making us 5-5. A win will be difficult againast Dallas on Thanksgiving making us 5-6. With enough momentum we will win the last 5 and end up 10-6 - even with back2back away games at New England and Tennessee - well, 8-8 is more likely."
Nestor Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:55am ET"I still belive in this team, but is going to be tough to come back. I hoping that they will pull it together and try to get to another wild card. To be honest I am getting tired of wild card, I would like some good and solid seasons. But for that we need alot of consistency. For now I still belive we can do it. "
BigA Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:08am ET"My prediction? 1-0, cause it's one game at a time and I think that they can beat the Eagles. That being said, we need to execute blocking assignments better on offense to get the running game going and more intensity on the defense to make impact plays. Overall, I have been disappointed with the coaching so far. The Jets have been a bit too predictable. Stopping Westbrook is key. GO JETS!!!!"
Damien Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:13am ET"I'm a huge jets fan and I live in New England so I'm sure most of you can imagine what I go through as far as comments go. But I believe that this team has a great core group of talent and had it not been fo two or three play in each game the jets would be 4-1 right now. I see them turning this thing around and the jets finish 11-5 and make the playoffs. Have faith fans have faith"
Frank Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:34am ET"I made my prediction right here after the preseason and the bonehead Kendall move...6-10. Although at this point I don't see how they will win 6 games unless radical changes are made. Clemens becomes the starter, Schott redsigns his plays and play calling. Defensively they get significantly more aggressive and design packages around their best defensive players for every game specifically Rhodes."
Frank Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:36am ET"...the coaching staff needs to do a significantly better job of in game adjustments and add some wrinkles for god's sake. Get creative Parcells and little Bill always had something up their sleeve. Go for it on 4th and 1/2 yard become more unpredictable."
Marejet Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:46am ET"Randy: I appreciate your positive spin--we need it!! Based on the Jets upcoming schedule, I predict an 8-8 or 9-7 finish. They face a few tough teams (Dallas, Pittsburgh, NE again!) and they'll be lucky to beat the Redskins with their current spark! I HOPE they go 12-4, but that's just wishful thinking!! Thanks for sticking up for our team!! GO JETS!! "
pat maio Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 9:57am ET"Does logic ever apply with sports fans? Probably not. Example: I had no doubt the writers and fans would start the chorus to change QB as soon as Chad hit some rough spots. They harp the reason of a soft arm! How then did he have a brilliant college career and win games in the nfl? Huh? The arm is still the same. At 1 &4 change is needed. Let's start with the offense and defensive playcalling."
Artie Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 10:47am ET"4-10. The Jets Offense has become too predictable to opposing defenses. Since Pennington is not able to stretch the field, defenses are able to concentrate on defending the run and apply pressure on Chad and force him to make mistakes. Defensively, the 3-4 scheme has been a failure due to the fact that most of the players we currently have were brought by Herrman Edwards to work in the 4-3. "
David M. Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 11:32am ET"Randy, I don't write a lot of comments on the radar, but I read it on a daily basis and I love it. You shouldn't change a thing. I would like to show that I still have faith in the team. They just need to pull a few things together to get the job done. I have seen improvement every week. If they keep improving I could see them at 10-6 at the end of the year. (They will beat the Pats in week 15)"
Aj Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 12:24pm ET"Pennington threw 16 picks last year. The regression continues this year. Mangini is inconsistent in his approach. He emphasizes mental side of the game too much. Physical preparation and energy is missing from players on game day. We are what our record tells us. A 1-4 team. Second half of last year was probably due to schedule. Final record prediction : 6-10 "
Dunnie Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 1:24pm ET"Been a Jets fan for 20 years. They will go 5-11 this year. Just enough wins to keep them from a top 5 pick in April. That is the main reason I want to see more of KC. I love Chad and his guts ... but don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with him. I hope I am wrong. Really."
Mike W Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 1:35pm ET"I have been reading everyone one of your posts since training camp. I like the Radar and the information you provide. As for someone saying 4-10, they are bad now but not bad enough to leave out 2 games of the season. I am going to say 9-7. Chad needs to get his confidence back. Mangini needs to be more flexible with the defense. Mix it up, let the players do what they do best on defense"
Dave h Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 2:44pm ET"I feel the most remarkable thing about the jets is their unity, and their showing it big this year. while I still see the crux of their problems is on offense, the play calling is predictable, at times playing for inches instead of yards, Chad needs to break out, and leave it all on the field, give us something to cheer for ! "
Dave h Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 2:51pm ET"my prediction for this year? 8-8 , but Im still hopeful for more."
evan Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 2:53pm ET"Just to those who say we are almost 0-5.. we also could easily be 3-2.. That Giants game was our, and obvioulsy the Bills game was just a joke, and ( i am not counting this in saying we could be 3-2) if Chad was QB or McCareins could clutch up we win the Ravens game. So reegardless of what we could be, or what we should be, we are 1-4 and that is a terrible start, but we'll turn it around.(HOPE"
joeklecko Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 5:38pm ET"There's always hope, but unless the OL suddenly learns to run block, the play calling quits being so predictable, and the D learns how to stop the run, I honestly can't see this team winning more than 6-7 games, if that. The DL is terrible. The OL talent isn't much better. Those are major concerns that must be addressed in the offseason."
WEN YESREJ Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:23pm ET"Yeah lets keep it upbeat, lets keep our collectiv e heads in the green green sands of NYJ beach. This team stinks, its front office stinks, its HC stinks and its home field ( if you can call it that ) stinks. We were bamboozled by Mangini and its sad, this team stinks. (DECLINED: THIS IS A PATRIOTS FAN WHO HAS TRASHED THE COACH, GM, ORGANIZATION AND HAS BEEN BANNED UNDER HIS EMAIL ADDRESS OF FKARABS@YAHOO.COM)"
RJ Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:30pm ET"8-8? that means going 7-4 the rest of the way. which 7 teams are the Jets going to beat? the way the OL and DL play they'll be lucky to win another game. some fans are trying to spin the Jets could be 4-1 now with a few plays breaking differently. no way. until this team fixes their line play they will continue to struggle."
CEDRIC Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 11:21pm ET"I just want the team to lose to a better team, than lose to a team we know we shouldve beaten. Those are hard to swallow! Love your articles Randy, the positive spin does give me some hope."
Row Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 12:40am ET"Quote me, jets go 12-4. We have shown we can beat New England without a back, and without a solid corner. We now have T. Jones, and Revis. We will beat Dallas, and we will beat New England. Other then those teams, we have no threats. The next three should be blowouts! Go Jets. Which D did we beat New England, 3-4 or 4-3? That might just quiet some fans. "
Drew Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 9:16am ET"Great comback Randy to all of the knuckleheads who do not realize who you work for... Did they ever read a Randy Lange (Bergen Record column??) On to the question.... All Jet fans should be concerned that the problems have not been corrected (and some got worse) from last year. Maybe we just got some breaks and we could have been 7-9 instead of 10-6 in 06? To quote #19.. We just need a damn win."
Drew Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 9:19am ET"Let's also remember in 1999 Parcells waited a little too long in naming Ray Lucas the starter. A game or 2 earlier and who knows?? Is Mangini making the same mistake with Chad Franchise?? Chad did take a 1st year coach to the playoffs and I think Mangini has extreme loyalty to Chad for that. I hope it is not the wrong choice"
Steven (SOJ) Patricola Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 10:35am ET"Randy, I understand this is a team in transition but no amount of spin by you, the FO or HC is going to change the fact that this team is underachieving and they have "regressed" this year! Irrespective of the yr -to-yr comment by HC, they are in their 32 game/along with perseason and mini camps and they are last 28-& 27 for D and O, Please how about some honsety "
Ramp Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 11:57am ET"How can any self -respecting Jet fan think that we will finish 11-5 or 10-6. What games are you watching? Please tell me o divine ones how will they win 10 games? Not going to happen, wake-up- walk the dog-mow the lawn-play with your kids do something else. I'm not watching any more games this year. "
Charles Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 1:26pm ET"Hi Randy just wanted to say your doing an awesome job. I enjoy reading reading your articles every day. I know there are a lot of negative posts on here but the truth is were all diehard Jet fans. We love are team we all bleed green but it just hard to watch some of these games. 4-12 if we lose this week we got a tough schdule this year. If we win maybe 8-8 or 9-7 but that's pushing it. Go Jets!"
Artie Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 1:35pm ET"I incorrectly typed in 4-10. I meant 4-12! I hope that we can do better, I really do."
Bob Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 4:10pm ET"Mangini needs to shake up a couple positions. For example, I think Pouha at nose would do better than Robertson has. If Chad continues to throw interceptions, KC has to be the choice. And if Thomas Jones struggles, you got to give Leon the ball, he can be quite the spark as evidenced in his kickoff returns..."
JetsFan58 Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 10:35pm ET"It appears to me that you’re still doing what you did for your former employer—namely, doing your job to the best of your ability. Hard to complain about that."
JetsFan58 Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 10:40pm ET"I used to enjoy your visits to the NYJetsChat.com site and still miss those. We’ve had a number of others in for chat sessions—and, of course, our daily posters in our forum section."
JetsFan58 Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 10:53pm ET"But your chat sessions were the best since you weren’t afraid to shoot from the hip and mix it up with some of our cranky forum regulars."
JetsFan58 Said:
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 11:00pm ET"And, oh, I almost forgot, 5-11."
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Ira Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 3:48pm ET"Randy, Very good points and really nobody knows how this season or any other will play out. You can't even tell from week to week in this league. Of course lets hope for that wild card push. Right now i want them to just win this week and see what happens. Most important i would like to see the team start to improve in areas they have struggled with. The rest will all fall into place. GO JETS!"
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