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File Under: Chad Pennington, Jonathan Vilma, Andre Dyson, Plaxico Burress
10/07 — The password is "frustration."
"It's just frustrating," LB Jonathan Vilma, sitting in front of his Meadowlands locker today and shaking his head after the Jets' fall-from-ahead 35-24 road loss to the Giants. "We've got to find a way to climb back out of it."
Cornerback Andre Dyson, who missed a costly tackle on Plaxico Burress, agreed: "It's frustrating. You make good plays and make bad plays, and you have to learn from both and try to get better for next week."
"I know the fans are frustrated. I'd be frustrated if I was a fan," QB Chad Pennington said, standing at the podium in the interview room. "It's frustrating. It makes you sick to your stomach, really."
The Jets' game was one of those typical tale-of-two-halves games. In the first half they looked sharp on defense, efficient on offense and took a 17-7 lead into their locker room. Then they answered the Giants' quick third-quarter score with Leon Washington's second kickoff-return TD in three games to maintain their 10-point lead. It looked like this might be the day the Green & White asserted themselves.
But from there, things, in Pennington's words, "fell apart." Or perhaps a good metaphor would be like an amateur trying to lay a rug.
Just when it seemed as if the Jets defense was ready to make a big stride after stifling Eli Manning and the Giants' pass defense, the pressure lessened (Manning wasn't sacked, although Victor Hobson's second-quarter blitz that produced Manning's intentional grounding was as good as a sack), Burress broke free down the sideline for the go-ahead 53-yard score, and the run defense started yielding big chunks of yardage again (113 second-half yards to Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward).
And just when the pass protection seemed to have all the answers for Big Blue's pass rush, Pennington was getting some mustard on his shorter throws and the offense appeared tight enough to move up and down the field against their stadium co-tenants, Pennington threw two costly fourth-quarter interceptions, one stopping the Jets' march toward the Giants' red zone early in the frame and the other being returned by rookie CB Aaron Ross with 3:15 to play to put the game away.
Another theme that arose was the familiar refrain of "60 minutes of football." The Jets certainly played about 45, since they took a 24-21 lead into the final period before they lost the lead for the first time in being outscored, 14-0, in the final 15 minutes. As head coach Eric Mangini calculated it:
"We can't be a fourth-quarter team, we can't be a first-quarter team, we can't be a first-half team or a second-half team. We've got to string it together."
WR Jerricho Cotchery, the intended target on all three of Pennington's picks this afternoon, echoed that sentiment and also echoed the theme of the locker room.
"We hold ourselves to high standards. ... In the first half we met those standards and in the second half we played way below those standards," Cotchery said. "That is the frustrating part and that is the discipline part."
You can expect the Jets players to remain on message as they get ready to play their second NFC East team in two weeks, the Eagles, next Sunday in a Meadowlands home game. They still will try to focus only on the next day, the next practice, the next week, the next game.
But after this game, there were some grim undertones to the players' remarks.
"It's going to be tough," Washington said, "but at the same time w'ere going to keep preparing ourselves and keep the same approach."
The math is not good. Since 1990, only five teams — the 1992 Chargers, 1993 Oilers, 2002 Jets and Titans, and 2004 Packers — started 1-4 and made the playoffs. That's five teams out of the 85 that started 1-4, a 5.9 percent success rate.
Probably the most upbeat assessment came from tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who teamed up to hold the Giants, who registered 12 sacks against the Eagles the week before, to no sacks until three minutes remained.
"We can't allow this little pitfall, this hiccup to impede our progress," said Brick. "We're a group who truly believes in one another. The game didn't go our way. Next week hopefully it'll be a different outcome."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (184)Frank G Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:00pm ET"Frustrated, I think not. There needs to be major changes in the way we approach games on the defense and the offense. It time for Clements, the best we can hope for is a 500% season and that is a stretch."
George Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:08pm ET"I am a die hard jet fan however i am refusing to watch the jets if pennington is starting. He is rediculious. How can you be in the NFL with an arm that can only reach 20 yards. Meanwhile we have a rocket arm, who played excellent against the ravens, on the bench. If the jets want to win, start clemens. Not only will he win this year, he will have a year under his belt for next yea"
shu Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:08pm ET"is this team kidding "hiccup to impead our process"?? the d line (what you call that) stinks,linebackers can not cover when needed too,2ndary gives up to many big plays(thanks to play shoddy d-line)chad is the smartest qb in the nfl but the last 2 loses are on him. sorry to say but its time for clemens tgo start.trdae d-rob and vilma since the so called system does not fit them."
Vaughn Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:09pm ET"There's nothing to figure out here, your QB throws two 4th quarter interceptions two weeks in a row to lose the game. I think it's time to look to a new QB. "
Jimi Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:14pm ET"Hi Randy, Whether it's a tale of two halves or just bad luck, the Jets have yet to prove they can effectively play football for 60 minutes on both sides of the ball. Here's the short of the short: Play 4-3 defense, get young Kellen Clemons in the next game (Pennington is not the answer- his short game is too predictable and the opposing defenses know this) and finally, get Thomas Jones the ball."
bjb_nyj101 Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:18pm ET"2 weeks in a row, Pennington kills any chance we have of winning the game. the o-line provided good protection, but he still throws stupid picks. Pennington needs to be benched. the defense didnt show up, and again they show that anyone and everyone can run on them. Bench Pennington, switch to 43"
Don Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:22pm ET"Today was a bad loss. I'm a big Chad fan but that 2nd int. was horrible. At 1-4 we are going nowhere. It's time for Clemens starting next week. D"
Jared Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:27pm ET"Forget frustrating, try aggravating. This season is killing me. Chad needs to be benched and we need to move on to Kellen. Chad's lack of ability is obvious to defenses and they know how to play him now. We cant stretch the field which is killing our running game and too many passes flutter and corners are making easy breaks on the ball. I've always supported #10 but it is time to move on! "
Mike Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:31pm ET"Umm.. I think you mean Clemens... Clement is a tackle."
Frank U Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:31pm ET"Chad needs to take a seat. He stinks this year!"
SCJoe Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:37pm ET"This is my 47th year as a Jets/Titans fan, there has been a lot of frustation, but this has to be a top five. If your going to blame Chad then you also have to blame O-line, D-line, RBs LBs etc. Only bright spot WR! Replacing Chad not the complete answer. Sorry!"
Brandon Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:39pm ET"Why are they throwing the ball in the fourth quarter with a 10 point lead?! The play calling is horrible, at least one of Chads passes shouldn't of been picked because it SHOULD of been a run play when they were so far in to the Giants zone...i mean RUN THE BALL you do not always have to throw it! The more you throw the greater the chance of getting picked."
Todd Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:45pm ET"Yes it's getting to be frustrating to say the least. I agree, we do need to get the kid in and give him a shot. I was at the jets/ravens game in Baltimore and he impressed me having his first start against one of the leading defenses in the league, away no less. Are upcoming schedule is not easy in any kind of way. Phi, Cin, Pitt, Ten, Was, Dal, & not to mention NE. "
Rolland Brown Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:47pm ET"It's time for a change at QB Pennington is not getting the job done. His numbers might be good? but scoring TD's he's not doing, the failures in the red zone in the past few weeks are painful to watch weekly and he is playing like a rookie. He has no leadership in him."
ROGER BENTLEY Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:47pm ET"October 7, 2007, and the season is over! "
Doug Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:54pm ET"On offense we need to be more aggressive and go for the kill when ahead. We have all of a sudden become predictable. If we can sit at home and know what's coming, you have to think an NFL defense knows whats coming. Our QB, although I love Chad, just doesn't put enough zip on a pass to complete it unless the other team is fooled by the call. Time for a change at QB? On D we need pressure on qb."
JP Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 7:59pm ET"It is nice to see that the players are as frustrated as the fans, however, we have to be realistic that this is more than a "hiccup" D-Brick and you can't "keep the same approach" Washington. The offense was deceivingly doing well in the 1st half - Eli was bad and the Jets O were the only ones on teh field. Without the special teams, this team would have been killed. Changes need to be made now"
JP Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:02pm ET"The offense is predictable and too slow. There is no urgency unless there is 2 min to go. They have to get the ball down the field and our receivers must be able to catch the ball in route instead of doing circus catches and short passes. The run blocking is terrible, however, defenses play close because of the short pass. D-fense - either go 4-3 or change the personel - Revis is great. "
njphones Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:16pm ET"The Jets need to do three things. 1. Stop the run. 2. Start Clemens. 3. Stop the run."
chris fior Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:18pm ET"Can anyone say 4-3? PLEA to MANGINI. Admit you made a mistake go back to the 4-3. It would be nice if we had a defense. It is truly embarassing. I am almost ashamed to say Im a Jets fan. Chad is a great motivator but come on we neeed a QB. I think Kellen earned a right to play\. What do we have to lose at this point."
Ira Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:19pm ET"This is tuff to swallow. Worse than last week. The 1st half they played well. Eric sould've tried for a TD a not a FG before the half. You can't rush for 55 yds and give up 186 yds rushing and win. Don't blame Schottty or Jones. The o-line passed protect well but can't open up holes for Jones. If it wasn't for Leon and Kerry this would've been real ugly. Coles is tremendous. "
Chad Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:21pm ET"Chad is just not the same this year. He was never a dominating quarterback, but in the past his intelligence and quick decision making trumped his lack of arm strength. This year he is killing us. What happened to the play action pass? He used to be a master, but now he hands the ball off so far behind the line of scrimmage that Jones and Washington have to run 10 yards just to reach the line."
sal Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:23pm ET"time to get off the sort of hurry up, go back to fundementals, cuz they need to practice them first. got to crawl before you walk.thats were there at."
Ira Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:26pm ET"Chad made some real nice plays today. But he made way too many mistakes and looked like a rookie at times. In their last 2 games the offense has had 19 possesions. Results 8 punts,2 TD's,5 INT's, 2 Missed FG's,1 FG and 1 4th down play. Add this to a suspect D and thats why you get the results that we see. Maybe it is time for some changes. Lets hope they can figure it out."
Rick Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:30pm ET""OK Chad, hope you like holding this clipboard...no need to put that helmet on either, we've got a Jets cap in your size...number 11 - it's your turn now!""
Frank Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:32pm ET"Absolutely stunning...every week the opposing teams know exactly what the Jets are going to do. I can't get over how many times the Giantsadjusted pre-snap to counter succesfully to what the Jets were play calling. The coaching staff other than Westcoff gets a big fat F. This is the worst coached team in the NFL period end of story. The Jets are one Washington KO return away from 0-5. "
Sheldon Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:32pm ET"I blame this one on chad and also on our running game. If we had a running game we wouldnt have to throw so much. I think that kellen clemens should play the rest of the season. How can chad throw 5 picks in two weeks! Its time for the kellen clemens era. Also Andre Dyson should be embarrased on that Plaxico TD catch. WE NEED DEFENSE, OFFENSE AND MORE WINS."
GreenBleeder Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:33pm ET"The bottom line is Chad has the smarts but not the physical attributes of a super bowl QB, I like the guy, I believe he plays with passion and determination to win. But like I said he's not physically suitable for the job. The D-line needs a pass rusher and bring back the 4-3 scheme like JP said, that's where Vilma fitted in nicely. Also mangini needs to learn to adapt, which is what Coughlin did."
Frank Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:37pm ET"Defense aside for a moment. I think Pennigton 2 weeks in a row threw 2 of the worse interceptions of all time and both were absolute killers. Pennigton is done maybe Tangenious can get "good value for Chad" before it's too late. I'd rather watch the Jets lose the rest of their games as long as Kellen is throwing darts all over the field. Pennigton's arm is a joke and the entire NFL knows it. (DECLINED: TONE, THIS GUY HAS HAD MULTIPLE COMMENTS)"
Tony Kupilik Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:38pm ET"I've been a JETS season-ticketholder for thirty years and seen my share of bad football but this defense has to go to a 4-3 we cannot and will never stop the run in the 3-4 -- We have no dominate run stopper-who ties up two offensive lineman. There is a lack of coverage and tackling skills in the secondary. Where is Harris our second round pick ? I'm just disgusted"
kevin mcdaniel Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:40pm ET"I agree, Pennington is killing this team. Defenses play close to the line of scrimmage because there is no down field threat. These little dump passes, and floaters are getting old. I say put Clemens in. At least he has shown the ability to spread a defense (Ravens), and played a decent game against a top defensive team.. We need a change, and quick. "
Joe Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:40pm ET"I've being following the Titians /Jets for 48 seasons and it's so frustrating to see this team never able to consistently put the "nail in the coffin" when they have a lead. New players, coaches owners, etc and the same results. I've been a fan of Chad but this year I don't think he has it any more & it's time for a change. Maybe it will wake up the team. Better to make the change this year than n"
CEDRIC Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:43pm ET"The saddest part is that we Jets fan see the potential and the positives in this team, which makes the negatives shines all the more. I don't have the words! They make us believe and then this happens. We do need a change though, we see the problems, make the adjustment. (Bench HIM)"
Frank Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:45pm ET"Tangenious have turned the New York Jets into the laughing stock of the NFL. I have not felt this disgusted with the Jets since Kotite was the head coach. This team is awful from top to bottom there is way too much talent on this team for it to stink this bad. Management and their dumb arrogance have imploded this team. There is no life, no fire and certainly no passion. "
Frank Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:51pm ET"Here is proof the Jets have given up on management. On defense no one is stepping up. Everyone is arm tackling no one is making or attempting to make any hard hits or big effort plays. I can't believe how many times the linbackers were out of position and not filling holes. No one was fighting to seal off the ends how many times do we need to see a back get hit at the line to then pickup 9 yards. "
Drew Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:53pm ET"I remember the 2002 season...I believe we made a QB change that year.....All of the reasons to support Chad have been the reasons he lost the last 2 games. He has NOT mangaged the game very well, He has NOT make great reads, and HAS thrown horrible INTS. If he cannot do the things he does well there is no reason to start him. Kellen might fall on his face but it looks like it the only choice now."
Buck Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 8:55pm ET"You know the saying, "what goes around comes around". Well it looks like the bad Karma Mangini cast upon the Pats, is coming back to bite him. Go Pats!"
Green Beast Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:00pm ET"The D and the offense is looking great in the first half of games and then when they hit the second half they fall apart. You got to play the whole game fellas! Not all this is Chad's fault it's bad play calls! If you don't have the run game going you pass to run! Then the whole game will open for you!"
Drew Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:00pm ET"The no huddle is not fooling anyone. The movement is confusing no-one. Too many procedure penalties. What is the problem?? Isnt this the same offense that worked so well last year?? It looked like A. Pierce read our playbook today!! Cotchery and Coles are absolute studs but Chad is going to get them killed.... Remember when we thought we had a chance to win this division?? It seems so long ago!!"
roberto g Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:01pm ET"Same old Jets ...chad needs to hit the wight room so he throw the ball more then 5 yards. Are d backs need to wake up sometime this season so they can keep up with the WR .. "
Long Island Pete Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:06pm ET"I' m tired of reading about how they need to learn from their mistakes. its the same mistakes week in and week out. Chad cant throw, and should be pulled. The defense cant get off the field and stop anyone. There is no imagination on the offensive side of the ball, and when they rush 6-7 guys on defense, they still dont get to the QB. The 3-4 doesnt work. Its time to see if Clemens is for real"
ken Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:11pm ET"Let's move on and call this year a training year, put Kellen in to start the rest of the year. Face it Pennington is never going to take us to a superbowl."
sal Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:12pm ET"chads throws were on, but really tough catches, if the two that saved his day were not caught, he would be on the hot seat, not enough credit is going out to Coles for 2 great catches. he missed a wide open recver 15 yards past his last pick, a rookie chumped him bad"
Brian Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:16pm ET"Today has been another step backward in the Eric Mangini era. Chad Pennington has again showed us that the game has passed him by! I give him a lot of credit for coming back from two shoulder surgeries, but let's face it, he never had an arm to begin with. It is time for a change and I think Kellen Clemens is very capable. We need someone who can throw deep down the field and spread the defense. "
DaveB Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:21pm ET"Another " L" for the jets..and why?.i will tell you why?..Mangini has no Guts and won't challenge the Team..big 4th and 1 and he Punts!..also he won't step to Chad and tell him that he's going to play Clemens..Pennington needs to swallow his PRIDE and let the Kid Clemens Play, if Chad says that he wants this team to win, than he should step aside for the better of the team..PRIDE SUCKS!!!! (DECLINED: OBSCENITY (SUCKS))"
xmasbaby Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:25pm ET"same old lousy jets, with the same old excuses. When are they going to give us a team to feel good about."
tony Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:43pm ET"4th and 1/2 yrd on the giants 48 and you decide to go for it... TRY ACTUALLY RUNNING A PLAY and show the world that you have some guts instead of just standing there hoping the defense jumps offside...i mean if you dont have enough confidence in your offense to get 1/2 a yrd then punt....way to motivate players coach..that was the last straw for me NO GUTS...id bet they dont win 5 games this yr"
GP Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:48pm ET"Sad, sad state of affairs in Hempstead. It's time to take a long hard look at the provable statistcs, and make the necessary changes. Maybe we, the fans were all snowed by Mangini's freshman efforts and he's not the "genius" as originally thought. Sophmore slump? Let's hope so. Then there is promise of a brighter future."
tony Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 9:58pm ET"also,toward the end of the first half when vilma got the int...rather than take a shot at a td pass at the end zone they PREDICTABLY ran a meaningless safe handoff , then kicked the fieldgoal...granted they got the 3 pts, but its just another example of this teams lack of the go for the throat aggressiveness. this is why this team has such a hard time getting any respect from the rest of the nfl"
Tim Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:12pm ET"Frustrating that the year is over and they wont let the kid play QB. Frustrating that anyone can walk "run" all over us whenever they want and we have no running game zero zilch nadda nothing. Painful that these guys pat each other on the bag after each devestating loss. The season is over. Frustrating that you know they'll waste however good a draft pick they get like they've always done."
Seth Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:21pm ET"Each interception Pennington threw, could have faired much better if he got the corners to bite on his greatest strength, the play action pass. But I guess you can't get an opposing defense to respect the run if you only rush Thomas Jones 13 times a game. At least the O-line is starting to protect beautifully. They just gotta get to fundamentals here, stop being cute with tricks and play ball."
drew Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:37pm ET"Bench Chad, Play Clemens....its time to move on. "
Rob Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:40pm ET"We're just trying to get too fancy on both sides of the ball and players are not ready. Can't run, play screens and have elaborate pass protection. Don't see any plays where they roll to the right/left where Chad was good first one and half season that he played. He's not stepping up in the middle kind of QB. Give him some room. It also opens up misdirection for runs. "
BC Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:48pm ET"I heard Coach Mangini call the team "inconsistant." I agree. Then I opened the door to my fridge and discovered a six week old quart of milk. It smelled really "inconsistent.""
Mike Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:50pm ET"Where is the super prepared team that is ready for any situation. We get the ball back on intercept before the half with a to in pocket and 22 seconds on the clock and we run a draw? Not even an attempt into the end zone? Come on. This is two weeks in a row that the offense looked unorganized in clock management situations. I thought we got rid of Herm (can't read a clock) Edwards!"
Aaron Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:52pm ET"some changes has to be made, whether its the defense approach or the running game, we desperately need the running game to be on the level where jones is getting a consistent amount of positive yards per rush, we need to run some screen plays, and then once that is working we can use the play action pass, but chad pennington really needs to strenghten his arm, or we need to get a new QB"
viveca Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 10:52pm ET"The only linebacker who knows how to tackle is Harris. When we are blizing we seem to constantly be a step too slow. The o-line is getting better at protecting the QB, but don't seem to be able to open up holes for the running backs. On defense we can't stop anybody and we make average players look like superstars. Give Clemens a chance!"
David Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:14pm ET"I just want to start by saying that I have been a Jets' fan ever since I understood football. Am I frustrated about the way the Jets are playing? Well, lets see... this is a team that could be 4-1 but is 1-4 instead. They have problems on both sides of the ball, but I understand that Mangini needs time to make the team he is trying to shape...."
dmy Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:20pm ET"The middle of our d-line gets blown off the line consistently and our LBs miss tackles repeatedly. On offense, Chad is the problem. I've loved Chad for years, always found his leadership and resiliency inspiring. But I'm sorry I can't take it anymore. I've defended him for years, but his arm is appreciably worse and his decision making has been horrible this year. Its time for Clemens."
Row Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:21pm ET"As for Chad, I blame Mangini, he gets paid to win, we are losing with Chad. We all know he did his best. Why were we throwing the ball so much with a 10 point lead going into the fourth quarter? Why can't we run the ball? We never should have let go of Donnie Henderson, our defense has been mediocre at best since he left. What was our defensive rank at the end of his season at the helm?"
David Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:22pm ET"I hate to say this, but I hope the Jets keep on losing. Sooner or later Mangini will figure out that we will never be an offensive threat with Chad under center. The Jets play in a box on offense and hope not to make a mistake. We cause no real threat to any defense. Tricks and hurry up can only help to a certain point, but we need a QB with an arm to get the big plays and yds after the catch."
David Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:37pm ET"I understand that the D needs some time but we also need some players. First, we need some tall DBs that can cover man-to-man. We give up too many receptions with the zone gaps and playing loose on the WRs. We have to start applying more pressure with less men. And one reason we were able to keep games tight last year and win them, was the ability to make turnovers. We haven't seen that this yr."
rudy iacono Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:02am ET"Mangini is clueless HC who should be shown the exit along with Tannenbaum. Pennington era is over its now Clemens time. Woody, Marty Shottenheimer is available so pull the trigger and hire as GM, then replace Mangini as HC with Marty's son Brian to keep continuity "
Joe Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:09am ET"Sickening. Out-schemed and out-coached EVERY GAME. Where were the adjustments at halftime? The Giants sure made some. Mangini and company lucked into the playoffs last year with a soft schedule and all the bounces going their way. I truly believe that we are headed off a cliff with this coaching staff. The Mangini era might not reach the depths of the Kotite years, but I'm starting to wonder."
proatit Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:34am ET"I feel that chad must throw to anyone open. look at INdiana plays peyton manning plays also put mccareins back in he can run faster and just maybe chads arm will let one fly..let's get a win every one has a bad game!!!!!!"
kevin Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:52am ET"onathan Vilma is not a middle linebacker way to small put him on the outside"
Jay Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:15am ET"I've heard here to "not blame Chad because there is no running game to support him" well there is no running game because opposing D's are bringing everyone up to the line of scrimmage or playing tight because they know our QB cant throw! IF YOU CANT STRETCH THE FIELD AND HAVE D'S RESPECT YOUR PASSING GAME THEN THERE CAN BE NO SUCCESFUL RUNNING GAME! Bench Chad, its time to turn the page"
Jason Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:31am ET"I've been a Chad supporter for the longest time, but today was last time. Chad's had his time, its Kellen's turn. I feel bad for the defense who plays good when they're rested, but after 3 and out, 3 and out by the offense, they get exhausted and take a beating. I feel bad for our great WRs who get lit up game after game fighting for Chad's cold turkeys. Put either WR with a good QB, fireworks"
Jason Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:47am ET"Chad's passes are just as easy to intercept as they are for ANYONE to catch. He might as well be throwing fluffy pillows. He is not the future. I still have faith in Mangini even though others are already doubting. I just hope he's smart enough to make the change in QB or at least get the running game going. Props to the O-line and O-line coaches, they looked great today in pass protect."
johnwer Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:04am ET"The Jets are a mid-level team that over-acheived last year, this year they're playing to their talent level. Unfortunately, last year raised hopes beyond a first round playoff loss for this year. Football is won and lost at the line of scrimmage and this is where the Jets are weakest on both sides of the ball."
Marcel Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 3:25am ET"time to start Kellen its just that simple he has the stronger arm,chad is throwing to many costly picks,the season is still young make the change so us jets fans can have hope"
ken Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 3:28am ET"Same OLD JETS!!! Being a JETS fans for 35 years, I TRULY believe the JETS are CURSED! It doesn't matter who is the coach of the JETS. If BELICHICK coached the JETS, we would lose. You hear the same thing EVERY week...we need to be more consistent, we have to correct our mistakes. We hear the SAME things, game after game, YEAR after YEAR with the JETS. MANGINI has to be HELD responsible!!"
RUE Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:15am ET"CHAD 28 COMP FROM 10YDS VS BILLS BIG DEAL WE NEED TO MOVE THE BALL UP,DOWN AND DEEP STOP PLAYING AROUND AND PUT IN # 11. THEY IN THE LAB WATCHING CHAD TAPES... THEY KNOW HIS GAME ITS OVER.THE FUTURE IS NOW.10-6 LAST SEASON WITH NO RB... THIS YEAR WE GOT THOMAS JONES AND YA NOT GIVING HIM THE BALL ITS A WRAP..IM TELLING YOU WE NOT GOING 2 GET THAT RESPECT"
Emerson Boozer #32 Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:48am ET"As much as I'm a Pennington fan, it may be time for Clemons. Chad just doesn't have the the zip on the ball (Brady, Manning, Favre) which allows the defensive backs just that extra split second to make a play on the ball. Two picks last week..., three this week... it's too much for a team to overcome. Move over Chad, we appreciate everything you did for us."
Ira Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:06am ET"I was wrong the Jets have 3 TD's not 2 in their last 19 possesions. With all those bad mistakes Chad has made all the blame can't be put on Chad alone. The D shows some good things but overall is bad. The o-line can't establish a running game. Then you add in Chad's mistakes and this is what you get. Chad deserves 1 more start with a short hook if he struggles early. "
epuria Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:07am ET"what upsets me the most , it's reading how tough their parctice is, how mangini works them to the bone, even being critized during preseason. nothing is paying off. yes the fans, especially myself, am frustated. just don't get too excited when you guys make a good play. don't celebtate, do your job, makes us proud. because in the end it's the fans who pay your salary, who support you. "
Ira Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:08am ET"Bad day but congrats to Brad and Kerry for getting their 1st career TD's. Hey you have to look for something positive. Better days are coming. GO JETS!"
Ira Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:24am ET"The Jets had both Derrick Ward and Kenton Keith [121-28 carries- 2 TD's] in camp and Keith was released and Ward was signed off of the PS. This shows you that if you are playing with a good o-line any talented RB can play well in this league. Jones and Washington aren't the problem. The Jets will have to address the o-line again in free agency and the draft after this season."
Drew Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:51am ET"Hey Randy... You have been covering the Jets for a long time. Are you as suprised as the fans in how badly this year has gone?? I cannot believe all of the mistakes and bad play-calling by players and coaches that were so good last year. I am not a coach but someone will have to explain to me why T Jones does not get the ball in the 2nd half of games. Leon and Jones get the same carries?Confusing?"
taiwan Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:00am ET"Im cant believe it but jet fans are becoming the worse. How can you blame Pennington for blowing our games. Its not one person on the field and everyone makes mistakes, every quarterback is not perfect. when the offense make a mistake the defense make up for it, and when the defense make a mistake the offense pick up on it. C.P. cant help it for getting us in the red zone and we miss a field goal."
John Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:06am ET"I really can't figure out this team,I don't want to hear sophomore jinx,that is just a cowards way out .The fact is Johnson was snowballed into hiring mangini,i would have to be totally embarrassed by this teams effort if i was an owner,but i guess some owners don't care and have no heart,It is time to evaluate mangini,and it might be that he is not the man for the job."
sharif Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:14am ET"chad is done!!!!!!!!...he can't make the throws to keep the defense honest....at least 10 balls were just floated up there for grabs and the weak giants secondary got 3 of them.....we had them and chad gave it back to them....with no thanks to the defense....thanx guys now i have to hear all this from giant fans all week"
Stew Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:40am ET"Defenses have no respect for the deep ball and you saw the results the last two weeks, untimely picks on short passes. It's time to put Clemens in and use the weapons we have. Coles and Cottchery are two of the best, Smith showed what he can do and Baker is the most underated TE only because he doesn't have a QB to spread the field. "
Russ Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:43am ET"No worries!! They're going to be okay.. Pennington is a smart player. This is what we need.. Looks like most everyone posting is just mad at Chad. It does take both sides of the ball to win. Everyone needs to calm down.. Mr. M. will work it out. STAY POSITIVE!! J.E.T.S. JETS, GO JETS...."
Wayn Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:45am ET"I'm a fan for 35 years. Suffered a lot over the years. We definetely need alot of changes. Pennington has eveyrthing but a strong arm and mobilit.y. He lobs the ball to receivers and if timing isn't perfect, its an easy INT. Go to a 4-3 to go with the talent we have. Better on pass but very few holes on the run. Too conservtive on play selection on offense and def plays to loose on receiver."
Ira Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:01am ET"Bash Chad all you want. He is forced to try to make plays that he can't or is making mistakes because they have no running game at all. If the line was able to run block and the Jets could establish the run he wouldn't be making the mistakes he is. The team needs a spark. Its flat and has no confidence right now. Clemens could be the right way to go. It worked for Herm in 02 when they were 1-4. "
Ira Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:08am ET"One other positive from yesterdays game was it looks like B. Smith has now taken over the #3 WR spot. He came up with some clutch catches yesterday. He has great hands and made some great catches like the TD and the one over the middle for a 1st down."
Bobby Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:11am ET"CMG: Chad must go. Period. Nice guy yes, smart yes, nearly armless yes. Until Mangini makes the tough decision, this team is done. Its clear as day and has been since pre-season. He can't throw the ball correctly. "
John L. Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:14am ET"I am a seasonn ticket holder and my wife asked me after the game yesterday why can't the Jets put out a great team with the fan base, the 10 year wait on season tix, and the best sports town in the word. My answer to her was this. "You just sold your car and received exactly what you asked for it.. When the buyer comes to pick up the car you DON"t fill up the tank. Chad must sit !!!"
CaneJet Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:20am ET"I finally think it's time for Clemens also. But don't forget he threw two picks himself in the one game he started, and his last one sealed the Jets' loss. Don't expect 2002 all over again."
michael Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:24am ET"You Jets fans need to quit the moaning. Try being a Dolphins fan - no QB, no defense, no quality receivers, horrible drafts, nothing !!! But I have to admit it is good to keep company with Jets and Bills fans while we watch the Patriots win the Division in Early November. When is the DRAFT??"
troy Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:30am ET"Just like last week,mangini and company got out coached badly again ,how many times are you going to run the same draw ,play to the same side ,same rb back ,did shotty not notice it didnt work the first 4 times he called it,we labeled this regime great way to early,last year was a mirage,with a weak schedule of teams that had mailed it in by wk 12,this staff of coaches is wasting away the talent"
Ronald T Prevete Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:33am ET"The JETS get a ten point lead and they stop playing the way they were playing to get there. They go to prevent offense until they lose the lead. A good football team knows it just cant turn it off, then turn it on again. Someone clue in the play caller. Keep playing Prevent "O" and a 3-13 record is not impossible."
mike Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:45am ET"I don't know why everyone is throwing chad under the bus. The jets need to have Jones establish the run if he can't do it get washington to. Once that happens we can get back to the way we played the past few years. "
Jay Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:00am ET"Stay Positive!? How do I stay positive if the Jets are 1-4, haven't made it to the superbowl since 1969, have a quarterback with no arm what so ever, and a defense that can't tackle? I have little faith in this team as it is anymore. I'll only start believing again if they pull it together and start playing good Jet's football and the way their playing it ain't going to be for another few years"
David H. Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:01am ET"It's not just Chad. Both the offensive and defensive lines have to be revamped. The run blocking is nonexistent and there's absolutely no pass rush. Mangold and D'brick are our only linemen with anything even close to Pro Bowl potential. A football team weak up front is doomed. Whoever decided to give Bryan Thomas a big fat contract should be fired. What a waste. "
Luis Torres Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:22am ET"It is time for Chad to sit. Let us see what our backup has. Chad is playing like a loser. I could have won that game against the Giants. All you have to do is hand the ball off and not throw up ducks like chad did. Those of you that defend Chad are probably the same people who felt Kyle Brady would be a great tight end. Wake up JETS. It is time for a new sheriff in town."
Dave h Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:25am ET"whats truly sickening is the amount of talent on this team, Coles was incredible once again! and Leon "wow" At least put Kellen in at the halfs, Chads not finishing well at all, if hes playing well at all ! "
Dave h Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:37am ET"one more observation, why with 28 seconds left in the half did they settle for a field goal without even trying once for a touch down ! POOR DISCISION !!! Mangini has no confidence in his team, or he doesnt know how to win a game."
Larry Bennett Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:38am ET"As usually, Mangini will teel us that there were alot of positives that came out of the game, Chad was smooth and went by the game plan, and it is a work in progress. Oh yea, these are comments made in the 14th game of this year, when the Jets will be 4-10. Lets face it Jet fans (40 years as a fan) we haven't had a good team since Parcells left."
Adam Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:38am ET"If the jets weren't so predictable on the run we could maybe get Jones another 100 yard game. Also, we have no running game because 80% of Pennington's throws are only 1-10 yards downfield. Team's stack the box and basicaly most of the Jet offense is gone. If you put Clemens in there he will stretch the field, he would be the spark that ignites the Jets offense."
jet4evr Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:40am ET"CHAD IS THE PROBLEM. HE KILLS BIG DRIVES,HE LEAVES OUR RECIEVERS OUT TO GET SMASHED. LAVERNEOUS AND JERRICHO HAVE MADE GREAT CATCHES TO SAVE CHAD. ITS TIME TO PUT KELLENS IN CHAD CAN NOT GET THE JOB DONE AND THATS A FACT....... HE HAS KILLED EVERY CHANCE TO WIN A GAME THIS SEASON THREE COSTLY INTS YESTERDAY....YES THE D IS SUSPECT BUT THEY ARE ON THE FIELD A LONG TIME ....."
Larry Bennett Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:49am ET"I wonder what all those fans who applauded when they announced that D"brickashaw is our first round pick are thinking now? He 's had a couple of good games in almost a season and a half. Once again, the Jets don.t make the right pick. We could have had Marino, we picked O'Brien, we could have had Leinert, you know what happened. New GM, new coach, new owner needed!"
Nestor Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:51am ET"I'm sure everyone was mad, and they should be. This team was here before back in 02 when Chad came in to take over the team. Now I really think its Clemens time. Still have love for Chad, but that team needs some change and a spark. What better for Clemens to start at home vs. a banged up Eagles team. There is still some what of hope. Plz go back to 4-3 D. "
proatit Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:53am ET"wake up smell the coffee jets must throw to everyone and anyone who is open check out the colts film !!!DAH!!!!"
Anthony Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:55am ET"The Quarterback is not good, the defense is not good, the running game is not good. The talk is cheap, and "learn and move" on is getting very old. This is not a good team and Chad will never get us to the Super Bowl"
BWick Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:55am ET"At this point and time opposing defenses like the Giants did yesterday are putting eight men in the box to stop the run. Teams are showing Chad that hes going to have to throw over the top to beat them. It is obvious that Chad lacks that type of arm strength. Until K. Clemens takes over, and proves he can zip the ball down field if the defense dares him, the Jets wont run well and wont win. "
Eric Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:11am ET"I would not make it in the NFL of this i am sure of, i have made it in corporate america and can tell you the fundamentals are the same. Its time to change your QB. Clemens is not the answer but he is not part of the problem:Chad is. THe line has some work to do but they will not do it for Chad. 50% of your offence is gone becasue of him. I like him as a person but we need to make the tough call."
gary Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:28am ET"They are starting to come together, but both d-line and o-line have to do there jobs. Also by no means can we put this one on Chad. The packages that are being sent in are the same old dink and dunk plays. without a solid o-line no way are these plays going to work they have to keep the defense more honest and stretch the field vertically at least attempt more. "
jeffrey Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:32am ET"Me and my dad are #1 jet fans. We love them when they win and when they loose. We feel Chad can be more productive in his play as everyone else on the team. This year has been another shakey one but, we always keep the faith. Season is not over yet. LETS GO JETS!!!!!! "
Jorge Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:46am ET"A little upset at Chad. Everything falls in his hands. He doesn't have the arm to make the big plays. He is going to get one of his receivers hurt. You can't expect the defensive to be on the field all the times and make plays. Chads got to go NOW!"
Rob Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:52am ET"At 1-4 only thing as a fan you can say is Adversity Builds Character. And can't talk about all fans but atleast that is what I have admired about Jets players from Curtis to Chad. The character. That said, its good to have more Wins."
Tim Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:55am ET"Why is everyone crying ??? Who was so stupid as to tell chad to throw an airball on the 26 yard line .maybe it wasn't all chad but kellen clemens is better and he is the future. chad has had to many chance's and I want to see the jets win another superbowl some day but it will never happen with chad."
Vinni Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:56am ET"I think Chad is to blame, I think the defense is to blame, especially the secondary, even more so the d-doordinator. There's talent on the D, they're not being used properly. They also shouldn't have dumped Kendall until the end of the year, it is making Jones look like a poor running back, and he isn't."
Waitanotheryear Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 11:57am ET"I,m tired of hearing spark and both sides of the ball. How can you have a motivated D when their work is nullified by a QB who cant produce and they are on the field 45 min. Chad has become a rag arm, interception machine and being loyal to him is not being a fan its being a fool. The season is over. Clemens has 11 games of valuable experience left. I've bled green & white 37 years& its wait again"
Sam Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:13pm ET"Stop blaming Chad.........if he had an offensive line, and a running back he wouldn't be throwing picks. Also need to be more imaginitive with play calling. Need to change defense to match player capabilities.....GO Jets, keep the faith"
Danny Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:14pm ET"I've been a fan my whole life. Born 1/12/69 Superbowl Sunday. Hoping to see us back in my lifetime, but either way I love them. If you can't run, you have to throw. If you have to throw the whole game picks are inevitable. They are just coming at the worst possible times every week. Hang in there, it will improve as long as the O-line can start opening some lanes. Go Jets!"
Anonymous Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:16pm ET"i agree with Ira we should switch back to a 4-3 defence were there strength is and pennington arm is too weak teams are gettin smarter on what he is doing they are jumping the short routs and making him go deep which he cant do. and why arent they giving thomas jones the ball more? both games he has only gotten 12 carries. u aquired him for a reason why not start using him. "
ryan Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:18pm ET"Anyone else see that facemask that Plaxico gave Dyson on his TD? If you didn't go to giants.com. It's right on there homepage. Doesn't excuse anything though. Jets will be back."
Jim Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:27pm ET"I have been a season ticket holder since 1990, a fan since 1968. The defense is terrible. They NEVER stop the run, NEVER!! And please throw the ball down the field, at least try it! The players must be held accountable by ownership, the LOYAL fans, like me, deserve better."
Eric Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:39pm ET"It may be time to make a quaterback switch but lets not treat Chad like some like he is Rex Grossman. It is just time for a change so lets make the move and keep his pride to. My ? is where is Thomas Jones. He was to be the best off season move for any team. Where is he at, so far he seems to be the biggest bust this year. If we had to much faith in someone it was him. "
Rocky Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:42pm ET"Hard to have a running game when your QB cannot throw more than 30 yards. The defense sits in a 10 yard box and drools. If you cannot stretch the field then you cannot run a successful offense. When opposing DB's are talking about the soft ball your QB thows then you're in trouble. I love Chad but the Clemmens era should start on Sunday. "
Boston Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:52pm ET"You people are so lost. You keep talking like somethings gonna turn around and you've just been getting bad breaks. The Jets are 1-4 and bearly beat an 0-5 awful Miami team. You're just not a good team. Deal with it."
Anonymous Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:56pm ET"There is no such thing as a facemask by the ball-carrier, It's a defensive penalty. Dyson should have wrapped him up, no excuses."
Ira Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:07pm ET"Games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage. Thats why the Jets are having so many problems. It doesn't matter who plays QB or if they play a 3-4 or a 4-3. If you lose the battle at the point of attack you usually end up losing games."
dan g Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:35pm ET"time for a change means going back to Ryan both as double tight end and in blocking full back position.this line cannot run block much less pass block.managini is a mule-no fire in team-he must lead the way-cannot play 3-4 go to 4-3 requires big changes vilma cannot play middle pushed all over the field in both 3-4 and 4-3 move to outside.stop playing scared -what do you have to loose"
Reggie Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:39pm ET"It's time for Clemens to take over. Chad can't throw the ball 30 yards so it's no wonder why the running game isn't working. The D has all 11 in the box since they aren't worried about the deep ball. I love Chad's gamemanship and accuracy but his lack of arm strength is KILLING the team. "
nick Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:41pm ET"Boston, the jets aren't bad. its all about consistenscy. they were killin miami by half time. im assuming ur a pats fan, what big bad teams did the pats beat to get to 5-0? indy had a way tougher schedule than ne"
Vikram Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 1:53pm ET"u can blame the O-line, the 3-4 defense, lack of running game etc. This is not Chad bashing, but please look at the end-zone interception Chad threw. it was an off-balance lob thrown into double coverage. Second Ross interception was one that floated too long. Sorry - both are Chad's fault. Lets try what denver did last and go with Clemens. I love Chad, but he has limits that are costing us big."
TONY Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:01pm ET"feel bad for jeffrey and his dad as i do for myself because we like most jet fans are die hard and its been a shame what management has done to all of use for 40 plus years. they have dangled the proverbial carrot in our faces for far too long because they know we are loyal and will stick it out...but you know...eventually...EVERYTHING HAS ITS LIMIT..GETTING CLOSE (400 characters are way too few"
KevinO Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:04pm ET"Respectfully a Jet Fan for 40+ years, changes are necessary, Personnel measures need to be taken, releases and benchings should become prevalent. McCareins, bye bye...Chad to the bench...And the secondary other than Rhodes and Revis, consider holding tryouts again. Scrap the Bryan Thomas experience, Thomas back to the D-Line, and David Harris to Starting LB. "
ryanhell'skitchen Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:12pm ET"chad is a turnover,waiting to happen.jets fans cringe when he throws the ball. when a ten yard pass takes 20 minutes to come down,we have a big problem. it's time for clemens to take the field."
damone Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:14pm ET"HERE IS OUR PROBLEM JET FANS.....CHAD CAN'T STRETCH THE FIELD,WE CAN'T RUN BLOCK AND WE NEED BETTER PLAY CALLING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.1 MORE THING...BETER DEFENSIVE PLAYERS!!!!!!!!"
TONY Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:26pm ET"everyone is wanting clemens, folks, let me tell you, he isnt the answer either. in his start you clearly saw he isnt very mobile, granted pennington isnt what he once was,but he's still as acurate as anyone and dont forget the jets offence is so predictable even i know whats commin and i dont believe he calls the plays..i think brad smith should get a chance or maybe try to get a star QB in a swap"
tony Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:33pm ET"hey nick...ill be the first to say i can stand the patriots, but give credit where its due, lets be honest (no pun concerning NE) , but if they keep winning and beat the colts on the 4th of nov they have a real shot at going undefeated, now i hope it doesnt happen, and id love to see them loose every game they play, but this team is beyond lucky..truth told..can you say anyone is better right now"
Sluttyjr. Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:42pm ET"Chad looks horrible and limits our O from opening a run game. He limits the long throw there for we cant back up the defense. Its time to make a change bring Clemens in. Harris should be a starter on defense and tomas shoulld go back to D line."
Jetsman2244 Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:44pm ET"Chad Pennigtion limits our O , he can not throw the long ball which prevents us from backing up the defense. Why the hell didnt we have a consistant run game and attempt to run against Buffalo who is last in the leage in run defense there is something wrong with the coaching."
Joe Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:48pm ET"I still believe in Mangenius but he has to start thinking like a winner! Two weeks in a row he fails to go on 4th and and a half a yard. That does not send a message of confidence to your team when you don't believe they can pick up half a yard when you need it to extend a drive. I love Chad, but Coles and Cotchery wouldn't have to risk their lives over the middle if he could go deep."
Boston Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:50pm ET"Nick, wake up. Jets are 1-4, they're awful. Accept it. And so you bring Indy into the mix? First off, Indy does zero for you as a Jet fan. But if you wanna break it down, Indy stumbled with Tenn and Houston, and has ripped a poor Saints and awful Bronco team. NE may have played some bums (Jets, Buff, Clev) but they've ripped everyone, including shutting down Cinci and SD's high powered offenses"
Steven Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 3:43pm ET" It's all on the Coaches(all of them) and Chad! The coaches have created game plans that react to what the opposition is doing? We need to start dictating how the game is to be played, in order to be successful! Chad , I'm affraid, puts no fear into a D! Without any arm strength, D's can play up on the line, cause we never throw deep! This affects all aspects of the O! We need Clemens! "
Jetsphan Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:00pm ET"Mangini is the best coach period !!!! CD is the best QB period !!! BShott is the best cordinater period !!! The W/L record dont matter - what matters is JETS JETS JETS !!! Who cares if they win ? Mangini & Tannenbaum rule !!! We dont need to win, all we need is JETS JETS JETS (DECLINED: FKARABS IS BANNED FROM CONTRIBUTING COMMENTS TO THE RADAR DUE TO REPEATED NAMECALLING AND POOR TASTE)"
mike a Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:08pm ET"i was all for herm edwards Departure sorry cheifs fans.but if mangini keps a quarterback who only can beat mediocre or less teams as the starter he can go to.you can not run the ball if you can not stretch the field. i can not take chad wick p will never go to the superbowl as the starting qb. maybe a backup or coach.. No more chad please i cant watch any more"
cheps13 Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:12pm ET"Mangini you said we have to see our mistakes and learn from our mistakes,when will you see the mistake you are making by starting CHAD !Lets face it its time for a change ala....CLEMENS we need a spark !JETSMAN we are not running as much do to no respect for CHADS long game ,defenses sit and stack the line of scrimmage because they know we cant go deeeep!Will someone tell Eric that please!"
Keith Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:20pm ET"I agree with Steven. Chad's weak arm is never going to get it done. Yea he's got a great completion percentage, but 90% of his passes are screens and two yard dumps. I have tried to back Pennington, but between all his injuries and 4th quarter picks, it's time to make a change. Bring Clemens in, what can it hurt. Get the guy experience and maybe put a spark in the team. Trade Chad to Chicago!"
Kaya Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:25pm ET"SCJoe, you can't blame the O-line when it comes to Pass Protection! They give Chad 5 to 7 seconds to throw the ball. You can't ask for more than that, its inexcusable for Chad to throw 3 int."
Ed The Jet Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:25pm ET"I don't know I love Pennington but maybe at 1-4 we really need to consider getting the kid out there and giving him a shot. we are going no where fast. clemens has a stronger arm and is learning from Chad so why not? Our defense is also lacking so much we need to do something. "
ashamedtoweargreen Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:28pm ET"At this point, don't even bother going for the playoofs. Even if a miracle occurs and they win 8/9 of the remaining 11, they'll never make it past the 4th round. I agree with putting Clemens in, but not changing to 43. Tannenbaum needs to get Haynesworth next year. He is a beast that can clog the middle. Trade Pennington for Lance Briggs, trade Robertson get another pass rusher!"
Kaya Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:35pm ET"Boston, why your in our blog? If it wasn't for Randy Moss resurrecting his career - your Patriots would be 1-4 too. You took a page out of the Yankees and started to spent money to make the team better. "
Keith Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:37pm ET"Tony, Chad is accurate b/c he throws nothing but short passes. As far as the deep ones, he can't put anyting on it and the defense has all the time in the world to react. You're right about the O being predictible. That's b/c there is NO deep threat! With Cotchery and Coles we need a QB that can stretch the field and help open the running game for Jones. Why you Morris in NE is having a good year?"
james Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:42pm ET"why why why the jets can't win we had the giants beat it's so frustrating. Hey Randy do u think it's time for mr clemens to take over cuz with chad we win but it surely dont look like it but i still love gain green"
tony Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:09pm ET"nick im not defending boston and ill never be a patriot fans...im speaking AS A FB FAN..what NE has done over the last decade is nothing short of awesome and commands respect...ive been a jet fan 35yrs,but nick arent there times when you walk out your door (SAY LIKE TODAY)with a jets hat or jersey on and dont feel just a little embarrased to be seen in it or get defensive when ppl comment.. i do"
kevin Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 5:32pm ET"this team is horrible, if we are going to lose, put the kid in at quarterback. Let him get some reps and lets get ready for next year. Its a waste of a trip to see the team, an hour drive to get to GIANT STADIUM, then 45 minutes to try and part "with the parking pass" then to watch our team lay down and die. A waste of a sunday. I havent missed a home game in 7 years, FRUSTRATED FAN I AM"
Rob Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 6:10pm ET"Jets need a leader not just a strong arm....and don't forget Pennington's weak and pathetic arm has taked us to 3 post seasons....if i'm not wrong."
Mac Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 6:12pm ET"Let's bring in Kellen at the half. He deserves it and we desperately need an aggressive threat with our underutilized talent through 4Qs. The predictability of Chad is killing us. Kudos to Coles and Revis. "
Dan Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 6:46pm ET"Why dont we try to get an offensive play maker who will run the ball more than 3 yards? Can we have a RB that will do that? Jones I thought would be the answer this seaosn, but so far, nothing. We need C- Mart back at least he could run the ball. That is our problem, not chad, not the defense, running the ball, we need a rb would can run. "
anthony costa Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 6:50pm ET"it's all good with the front office.as long as the seats are full to capacity keep pennington in and dont worry.The money is good no problems.Hey jet fans wake up! stop buying season tickets and support this horrific team.1969 is a long time ago.pennington is not an NFL quarterback,he has no arm and will NEVER EVER take the jets to the afc championship game let alone the big one.stay home sundays."
Rick Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 6:52pm ET"This team is insufficient from top to bottom offensivley and defensively. Wish we could keep the special teams unit on the field at all times. I don't care if Chad has taken us to 10 playoff games, he's totally predictable to every defense in the league. No run game, Horrible tackling, no rush threat on defense. But we could be a Dolphins fan so I guess that's something to think about."
Mike C. Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:07pm ET"Please coach put the kid in at QB. Chad is not the future and in order to help the future put the kellen in for experience. with a 1 and 4 start what do we have to lose. I love the jets but the draw plays and the 5 yard passes on 3rd and 15 are given me chest pains..........................................."
Crazy4defense Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:16pm ET"what about defense... hear alot fo complaining about the offense but when you put 24 points on the board you gotta look at defense to help out. Jets run defense was pathetic."
Alan Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:20pm ET"Jets will never go far with a weak defensive line and a quarterback who can't stretch out the field."
adam Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:55pm ET"Jets are only THREE things away from being good- 1- good interior line that moves people off the ball 2- good defensive line that can put some pressure on the ball. by the way, whats with them lining up 1yrd OFF the ball. if each team rushes 3yrds per carry against them. 1 play at one+ yard = a first down already. 3- a quaterback that can throw a ball further than his running back in the flat."
tony Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:56pm ET"we just dont get any respect and weve become the laughing stock of the nfl..i mean for god sake our nick name is gang green...correct me if im wrong but is that NOT a deadly infection normally requiring amputation...hmmm maybe theres more truth to the name than meets the eye we just havent picked up on it yet...maybe its time for some surgery"
Steve Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 9:53pm ET"1 - Give Jones the rock. Don't only put him on the field on running plays. 2- Switch back to a 4-3 defense. Enough is enough. 3 - Consider starting Clemens. I love Pennington, but he's not getting it done. It's not the arm strength. He just doesn't look down field. He's a "throw the ball short, avoid the INT" and a "be safe, not sorry" kind of guy. (At least he was.) The O needs more aggression."
tony Said:
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:41pm ET"as i watch buffalo leading dallas 24-13 with 8:36 left in the 3rd i cant help but thank the lord we play miami twice a year, but hey the jets are going to wear the old titan uniforms sunday against the eagles...maybe they will bring them luck and they will pull out the victory...NOT"
john Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 12:41am ET"wow this team always does good when i dont expect it and aweful when i think things are turning around i got a clue for this coaching staff use the big offseason free agent you signed thomas jones the only game you won this year he had 110 yards 30 yards a game isn't going to get it done stop trying to throw pennington is not a threat no team fears him "
tony Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 2:39am ET"kaya, youre very young or very sheltered...unless youve been sleeping for the last 7 or 8 yrs youd know NE hasnt needed moss to be a good team, infact they were only a feild goal shy of going to another super bowl last season, and ,as far as "buying " players, well thats just what succesfull teams that win do..that is the name of the game like it or not, i wish the jets would get on board with it."
JTMac Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 10:43am ET"Hey coach, stop dissecting the game in trying to figure out what went wrong and where we can improve. The QB is the catalyst and if the Offense steps it up a notch, the Defense will will respond and vice versa. We need to turn this around quick. Otherwise, the spotlight will fall on the coaching staff. I'm inclined to give my remaining season tickets to charity."
Schuyler Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 10:44am ET"Alright, we're not out of this yet. I remember Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers starting 1-4 and they went to the playoffs, with a record of 12-4. This team is better than they are playing. They just refuse to run the ball. With TJ and LW there should be 40 carries a game. You control clock, set up the playaction and tire out the defense, that's Jet football. "
ouchy Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:56am ET"Did anyone else notice how outta position Vilma was on most running plays. ANd when he wasn't out of position he was getting stuffed by anyone assigned to block him. IMO Vilma is not the answer at MLB. An intercpetion is the biggest impact play in 5 games. Would be nice if he could stuff a run once in a blue moon."
Nick Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 1:21pm ET"Its time to put chad where he belongs, on the bench! I cant sit here and watch him throw anymore Ints. The season is all but over so i say let the kid go in there and get some starts under his belt. Clemens can rocket the ball past the route jumping DB's. The DBs know where he is going to throw and since there is no velocity they can jump the route. i cant watch chad screw up anymore. Go Clemens"
Joe Maturo Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 2:18pm ET"I love this team, I bleed green, my whole life this has been my team and I am obviously disapointed at their performance but even after these embarassing loses, Chad is still the best QB for the job, he may have made some bad decisions but overall he is the best man for the job, if your a Jets fan at the Meadowlands its just wrong to root against our own QB so stop it. Go Chad!!! GO JETS"
Duaine Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 3:40pm ET"Chad please take one for the team and take the bench.Give Kellen a chance you were given alot and if it doesn't workout we will know what to look for in the off season. Coach you got to do the right thing ,fans pay alot of money to support the team, give them something to look forward for on a Sunday . This team can do better , you never know we might have next Payton or Brady on the bench"
VINCE Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 4:31pm ET"WE WANT KELLEN was all I could chant at the stadium fourth quarter, what a miserable walk of shame that was."
Dee Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 6:25pm ET"Clemens was the fourth QB picked overall in the 06 draft for a reason. Young, Leinart & Cutler all were given opportunities early due to the inability of the incumbant QB to make plays. It doesn't take a "Man-Genius" to figure out that it's time to bench Chad and give Clemens his shot. Clemens will benefit the most from 11 career starts this season. Chad ultimately will throw INTs and get hurt."
aaron Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:35pm ET"There is no doubt in my mind that Chad Pennington can do what it takes to get things done. It's frustrating listening to the broadcast and hearing people rip him apart when he was taking Eli to school for 3 quaters of the game. People are focusing on interceptions he threw in the 4th quarter when he was down. Not saying they were even close to perfect passes but when trying to win, stuff happens."
Drew Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 8:17pm ET"173 posts...must be a new record Randy?? I am the biggest Chad fan of them all but the facts or easy to see. If Chad is going to continue to make poor choices with the ball and not get the offense in order (his trademark) he is no use to this team. I do not care about his arm.He has never thrown a great deep ball and still won games..but he has had a major part in 2 bad losses. It might be time "
gino Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 8:40pm ET"I am a very big jets fan and i think if all mangini is going to do is let chad pennington throw interceptions and not give kellen clemens another start and dont start taking advantage of the thomas jones trade they made this team is going no where."
Charles Said:
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:00pm ET"You fans in here say the same thing every week. I feel the same way but whinning about it and blaming who screwed the game up every week isn't going to help the team. Trust me I feel the same way you all do , seeing Chad throw picks when we really need points is killing me. Are D looks really bad and I agree they have no passion or heart but anything can happen on any given Sunday. "
Joanne Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 7:59am ET"I really think the Jets need to look at what worked last year. They really don't look like the same team. It is like they are giving up.It is not Chads arm that is making them bad it is the calls they are making. Also the D really needs to work harder."
Patrick Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 10:36am ET"One word. PATHETIC. Its truly embarrassing to be a Jets fan. All of us fans wanted Chad to be the man to get us to the bowl but reality has set in, at least for me. It's not gonna happen with this cast of characters in New York. FACE THE FACTS!!! "
Jesse Said:
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 6:13pm ET"I love Chad Pennington just as much as the next guy, but honestly, and I can't believe I'm saying this, he's just not getting the job done. It is not all his fault, we have not done anything to try to help him. Our O-Line is one of the worst I've seen in a while, in back to back to back years at that! If the Jets want to keep Chad, they need to provide an O-Line and utilize our dual RB threats!"
Bob Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:36am ET"I believe all the other teams in the league have come to expect this "dink and dunk" offense year after year. The running game is often given up on too quickly, placing the outcome on Chad's looping throws. By the time the ball gets to the receiver, I could have made myself a sandwich!"
Patrick Said:
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 2:20pm ET"I agree its not all Chad's fault, but he isn't helping. O-line is making great strides in pass protection but they are not good run blockers. Also, if we didn't have the last ranked defense in all catagories, Chad wouldn't be so pressed to make big plays on offense and throw balls he is not capable of throwing. The D needs to step up and play with some intensity even if they don't fit the scheme"
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Rob Said:
Sun, October 7, 2007 - 6:58pm ET"I love Mangini and what he's doing with the team, but he has to be more aggressive with the play calling whether it is going for 4th and short or taking a shot at end zone with 23 sec. in first half left. What I like though is the fact that he has all players on same page. He can do good with the team in long run. My take, it hurts less when you make bad aggressive Vs bad conservative calls"
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