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File Under: Eric Mangini, Joe Namath, Jerricho Cotchery, Marty Schottenheimer
10/01 — The Schottenheimer family could just pull the Jets out of their September swoon.
We all know about offensive coordinator Brian, who received strong support from head coach Eric Mangini at today's news conference. But Mangini opened his presser with a conversation he had last week with father Marty, the former San Diego Chargers coach who way before that was an All-America linebacker at Pitt and a seventh-round pick of the 1965 draft by the Bills — the same draft that brought Joe Namath to the Jets.
"I was asking Marty how he'd gotten to 200 wins, why he was so consistent year in and year out," Mangini said. "He started explaining that when he was a player he didn't play as much as he'd have liked to. But he got in one game against Namath. Joe was a friend of his."
You can almost hear Marty pick up the narrative in his forceful, expansive, John Wayne-esque voice:
"The first play, I got to blitz and I had a clear shot at Namath. I felt like I should win in that situation because of Joe's knees and his mobility.
"But I whiffed. Namath got the first down.
"I stayed in for the rest of that drive. The next drive, they ran right at me and I got pushed back. The drive after that, I got beaten in coverage. What I realized was, I hadn't let go of that first play, that I missed him on that very first play. And I applied that lesson to all my teams. I told them the play you're playing is the most important play. You can't get caught up in what happened before, because almost every single game is going to come down to a handful of plays and the difference between winning and losing is very small."
Picking up the story back in Mangini's voice, the Jets coach said he related Schottenheimer pere's conversation and showed the Jets players a handful of plays from the 17-14 loss to the Bills.
"It wasn't a function of assigning blame to any of the players involved in those plays," he said. "It was showing how at any point a slight difference in execution might have affected the outcome of the game."
Mangini also said he told his team he'd been on successful teams that started 1-3 and acknowledged that some of his players could say the same.
"The answers are in that room," he said, repeating a mantra he offered in the minutes after Sunday's game concluded. "There's no magic pill, no magic offense, no magic defense, no magic special teams. ... We're focused on getting the corrections from today and moving on to the Giants."
A Short History of 1-3
I thought I might have been able to shelve a discussion on NFL playoff math after the 0-2 start, but now the question is how likely is it for a team that starts 1-3 to reach the postseason? The answer: Only slightly better than it is for an 0-2 team.
Since the expansion to 12 playoff teams in 1990, 120 teams have lost three of their first four. Only 19 of them righted their ships and sailed into the playoffs. That's a 15.8 percent success rate, less than one in six.
But wait. Mangini was on the staff of the 2001 Patriots, who opened 1-3 and went on to win the first of their Super Bowls. And those Jets he referred to remember well the 2002 season when the Green & White started 1-4 and 2-5 before recovering to become AFC East champions.
Is that still possible this season, when the Patriots appear poised to run away and hide from the rest of the conference? The answer to that one is: It doesn't matter. You take them one day, one week, one game at a time as the coach preaches and you never start worrying about prayers being answered.
Combine that with the philosophy of Eagles coach Andy Reid among others — "You're never as good as you think and never as bad as you think in the NFL" — and maybe some Jets fans on the ledge today will come back inside and get through the week ahead.
Passing Fancies
Jerricho Cotchery, Laveranues Coles and Leon Washington each caught eight passes from Chad Pennington on Sunday, a fact that is more interesting than it may sound. The only other time in franchise history that three receivers had eight-plus receptions in a game was the Christmas Eve game at Baltimore in 2000 with Richie Anderson (11), Dedric Ward (8) and Curtis Martin (8) turning the trick with Vinny Testaverde throwing them the rock.
The Jets also figured in the last time this has happened in the NFL, which was last year's win over Houston, when David Carr hooked up with Andre Johnson (10 catches), Eric Moulds (10) and Wali Lundy (8).
Pennington's 15 consecutive completions comes up three short of the franchise record that was set by Boomer Esiason over a two-game span against the Dolphins and Patriots in September 1993. Other noteworthy Jets passing streaks: Ken O'Brien hit 17 straight against Atlanta in 1986, Pennington completed his first 14 passes at Miami to end the 2003 season, Glenn Foley hit 14 in a row in relief of Neil O'Donnell vs. New England in 1997, and Vinny Testaverde had 13 in a row in the 1998 AFC Championship Game at Denver.
Inside the Jets
Tonight's "Inside the Jets" radio show from Charlie Brown's restaurant in Garden City, N.Y., will feature Washington and cornerback David Barrett. Host Bob Wischusen kicks off the festivities at 7 p.m.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (52)Schuyler Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 6:16pm ET"Amazingly, I still have faith in this team. I think they went away from the run too early. Thomas Jones should get about 25 carries a game. With the battered Bills they should have pounded the ball and made them tired. The key to this sunday is to put this game behind them and really focus on figuring out how to stop the Giants pass rush and put Manning into pressure situations, where he is bad. "
Schuyler Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 6:20pm ET"One more thing I wanted to add, Revis showed how well he can adjust. They were picking on him all game, but came up big late in the fourth when the Jets needed him to. Go Jets!"
Drew in Tucson Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 6:46pm ET"Watching the Jets play defense on sunday was very painful. We can't stop the run or pass. It will be a long season if something is not done. The 3-4 is a stupid defense THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSONEL FOR!!!! Only teams with the right people can run the 3-4. Wake up Mangini! Look around you! Man the Jets would tear it up with a 4-3! rookie QB tons of injuries and still got beat! Maybe next week!"
Michael Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 6:55pm ET"even though jets lost to the Bills.they need to work on the on defense with the passing game.i think they did great of stoping the run.I also think that revis could of done just a little bit better but i think he was amazing.i can't wait for him to pick one off and run to a touch down.Revis you Rock.and Pennington be strong.You will make it!GO JETS!beat the gaints big jets fan for life,Michael"
Darrell Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 6:59pm ET"So does that Marty story mean we're gonna start Kellen this week? "
ihossa Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 8:29pm ET"Please God do something with our defense. And our o-line...what your guys doing??Sure no sack but can't we produce a run game...we can't run against teams who give up tons of yardage...wut'll we do when we rush against good teams...an stop being so conservative on offense..Pennington doesn't have a gun but he's still an NFL caliber quarterback...lets throw some downfield.. Go JETS!!!"
dan Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 8:30pm ET"IT IS TIME TO GO TO THE 3-4 this wil allow Vilma to react and not stand around,ELLIS,THOMAS, ROBERTSON ARE 4-3 PLAYERS LET THEM PLAY.An offense must play to win-not play not to loose the way the JetsPLAYED."
Anonymous Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 8:42pm ET"Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. Less than mediocre talent; less than mediocre coaching; abysmal organization equals at least a 10 loss season---Pathetic. (DECLINED: ANONYMOUS, POOR TONE)"
christian james Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 9:06pm ET"Im sad to say I am a jets fan. I just dont know what it is anymore with this team. Does their defence even show up on sundays?? Every year they just trade away the players that would make them invincible first santana moss, keyshawn, lamont jordan, kevin mawae(biggest mistake) and then kendall. It just can't be the players.. This organization just thinks like losers. "
Benny Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 9:09pm ET"Same old song and dance with the New York Jets. I've been following these guys since the early 80's and it's the same disappointing thing every year. This year the Defense is terrible and the D-line is lacking a Gastineau/Klecko caliber star. Anyway, there's a lot of football left to be played and we'll just have to see what happens. Also, another great article from Randy. "
JP Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 10:10pm ET"This team needs to execute with what they have. OFFENSE - the pass needs to set up the run, a short pass here or there but longer passes are needed to push the defense deeper and open TJ/LW. Switch up plays like last year. O Line needs to be consistent on both run and pass. DEFENSE - need a pass rush, the 3 upfront are good in a 4-3, use them better. All these blizes are opening up the pass."
jared Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 10:11pm ET"I really expected more out of this team. The glaring miscues on d are troubling but more disturbing is the fact that we seem forever destined for mediocrity. Its painfull to be a jets fan, especially when we underachieve and management refuses to utilize the skillsets of their best players appropriately. SAME OLD JETS"
Drew Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 10:31pm ET"I am not over the edge yet but it going to take more than some fancy stats and Mangini stories to calm me down(Sorry Randy) but I am still in shock by this game. You know what will cheer me up...The Jets come out and ram the ball down the Giants throats and get to the damn QB. Look at the bad O-lines we have played the last 2 games!!! This just in...The Giants D-line and O-line are really good. "
evan Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 10:43pm ET"Anyone who thinks Pete Kendall would have made us invincible is amusing. The Jets have made the playoffs 4 of the last 6 years-- why are New York fans the most illogical, irrational fans in the entire world? I do not know. Its the case with the Yanks, and judging from some knee jerks here it appears to be the same way for the Jets. You cant start talking about a football season statistically"
evan Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 10:47pm ET"until week 10 anyways. The fact that the Bills and Jets and the Bears and the Chargers and the just about every team in the AFC other than the pats has been mediocre. You dont throw the towel in until you have 9-10 losses, so not watching is really just pointless unless watching the jets lose is worse than not watching the jets at all. But its not. We will right the ship. Have Faith. Go Jets"
kerry grayson Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:10am ET"my jetsss jets can go verry far they have hart.and just because we lost a few im still not bad mouthing the gang green,but seriously the nickname should change to mean green to bring about good vibes and spirts.so if ur a jet fan be about it not think about it."
Jeremy Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:53am ET"LT You're a genius! Way to back it up with facts! Dan, FYI the Jets play a 3-4, pay attention! Unless you have a 350 lb NT that occupies 2 blockers the 3-4 doesn't work. Where was Harris all game? Did we draft him to ride the pine? The D was getting slaughtered by a rookie Stanford QB, put him in to get some experience! At this rate Eli is going to look like Peyton next week."
Vaughn Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 2:08am ET"Haha, you 'fans' are hilarious. You act like it's the end of the world when it's only a 4th into the season. The defense needs some work, they DO have the personel to compete, they just need to make adjustments. Bryan Thomas and Victor Hobson are on the outside where your pass rushers are supposed to play. Barton and Vilma play the inside where your best tacklers play. This system will work. "
Joey J Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 2:18am ET"I can't take this anymore!! Our Defense is terrible -- We can't PRESSURE any QuarterBacks, We can't stop the Run! MANGINI PLEASE get a 360 pound NOSE TACKLE for the 3-4 PLEASE !!! or get rid of it all together. On Defence we might as well drop 9 guys into coverage, and let 2 rush the QB, because it makes no difference."
Goose Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 2:54am ET"Clearly don't have the right players for the 3-4. Need to go back to the 4-3. Stack Eight in the box with Rhodes. Generating barely any pass rush. Ellis/Robertson not suited and clearly ineffective in the new scheme. Vilma is also struggling in the 3-4. No picks this year for Vilma and none last season. 3-4 is making Jet's best defensive players mediocre. "
Ira Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 7:17am ET"Randy, Interesting about the Jets and texans with 3 players who had 8 catches in one game. Trouble is they all lost. OK once again you hear the fans say Same Old Jets. They're so wrong. No championships but they've been one of the better teams since 1997. Some rumblings about the O needing some changes to score more pts. Wonder if they're considering making a change at QB if things don't change?"
Joe Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 8:04am ET"Chad Pennington is the best QB the Jets have had in the past 30 years. We also have no shot of winning with his style of play with our pathetic defense and no running game. I say trade Chad right now to an NFC team (BEARS, anyone?). We could probably get a 1st or 2nd round pick and Kid Kellen gets the reps he needs. Of course, this would be admitting that this season is toast, which won't happen."
viveca Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 8:09am ET"I still have faith in Magini, but where is the creativity from last year? This time we need a much more agressive approach in the off season. Pick up players that can play, not just boyscouts and castoffs. Learn from what New England did. Play Clemens! We must find out soon if he is the real deal! Chad( though I love him) is not even the short term answer. Trade him to the Bears or Ravens!"
Xavion Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 8:09am ET"I know everyone is calling for a 4-3 Defense, but Honestly I dont believe it would help out more than we are doing now everyone thinks we need the 4-3 to stop the run but the run isnt our biggest problem its the pressure and pass defense thats hurting if Vilma isnt going to be running around stopping passes what do we need to free him up for? so what if he takes on a blocker? we have 3 more LB's"
Naquan Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 8:24am ET"Manghini although a smart coach is not doing much good. You cant always play mind games,ask Pat riley.I've watched time and agian as the team gets lazy and he says nothing.LITE A FIRE UNDER THESE GUY!!! Jet fans look as if their at the opera on Sunday."
Xavion Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 8:54am ET"That can also make tackles. It seems the fans just want vilma to run around and make tackles. well vilma led the team in tackles and we still lost. 2005 vilma led league in tackles and we still were 4-12, We dont need one player making plays we need all players making plays. Vilma is a great player but we need more than one great player..."
Jetstones Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 9:02am ET"Dear Mr. Mangini, I have been a Jets fan for Years. I will always support my team. Please , Please Please stop making every QB we play against a superstar. We should be 3-1 not 1-3. The Defense needs to be Fixed ASAP!!!!!!"
Ira Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 9:32am ET"Unbelievable how fans all of a sudden are turning on him. I didn't hear anybody complain last year. OK maybe he should've gone for that 4th and 1 early. But maybe he has lost some confidence right now. That doesn't mean he is doing a bad job. Something needs to change fast lets hope its this week. Randy, I told you that Mozart music this summer was a bummer."
Drew Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:27am ET"Evan??? I am a huge Jet & Yankee. Please do not compare the Jets to the Yankees.The Yankees has a LONG history or making the playoffs and winning. The Jets cannot continue to have slow starts and catch people down the stretch. We have to correct major problems quickly. This was a game that we should have won in our sleep...period"
Drew Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:31am ET"It is not a fair complaint but watch how everyone turns on Mangini if he does not turn this around. I truley love our coach and think he will get this fixed but he cannot play mind games with the media and keep everything a secret and expect a pass when the team lays an egg like Sunday...with a horrible gameplan. I do not care what the "vaunted" 0-3 Bills were doing. Coach takes a hit on this one"
Joe Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:34am ET"If I were Vilma or D-Rob, I would be livid. They have been forced to adapt to a defense that is ill-suited to their skills. They are missing out on potential pro-bowl years (and the big paydays that come after). What a waste of talent."
Mr. green T Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:46am ET"Randy, in regards to Chad's 15 completions in a row and the rest of that crowd's nice accomplishments: How many Super Bowls did they win? Joe Namath wasn't in that illustrious list. I guess he was busy winning a championship."
Gus Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 11:39am ET"Mediocrity . That would be an upgrade to say the least of this team. There are so many holes on either side of the ball its hard to know where to start. 3-4/4-3 YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Now of course its irrevocably broken. Another season down the tubes and hopes dashed yet again. Note to EM ; We are the New York Jets not the New York Patriots , start playing OUR game."
Ira Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 12:26pm ET"Drew, Sorry but no team in the NFL can play another team and win in their sleep. Its hard to win games from week to week. I do agree that they played not to lose. The only sense of urgency was when they went down 7-0 and Schotty had Chad throw some longer passes and they went down the field and scored. They should've played that way all game. Then the running game would've opened up."
Andy Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 12:29pm ET"Mangini always talks about taking positives from a game. There were no positives from this game. There is no chance to win the division this year, you had to beat the Bills and you failed. Additionally, please don't ever mention the Jets and Yanks in the same breath. Go Yanks."
Kaya Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 12:57pm ET"Ok, let's ease up a little. I'm the first to say how fustrated I feel, but let's not forget that 90% of these players or the same ones who took us to the playoff last year. What's hurting us more is the pass rush, not the 3-4 alignment. Pass rush is the medicine this team needs. The D line can't hold ground, they need to push forward and the DBs won't have to keep track of the run every time."
Schuyler Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:09pm ET"Randy, I haven't really seen much of the play action this year. Do you know the stats on how many times we have run play action pass, it used to be Chad's money maker and it was his way of compensating for the lack of a long ball. How about screen passes? Leon Washington looks really sharp in open space, Buffalo played in the box alot on sunday, but there really weren't any screens. Go Jets!"
gartye14@aol.com Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:47pm ET"The Jets wouldn't have been "world beaters" with Pete Kendall on the "O-line"! What they would have had,however, was another solid veteran up front to help keep the young offensive linemen from getting rattled(sadly missing in Buffalo) ,but he was "nasty",and outspoken ! "Mikey"Tannenbaum and "Opie"Mangini didn't like that,so he had to go! (DECLINED: NAMECALLING) "
cheps13 Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 4:10pm ET"Idont care how accurate Chad is Jericho ,what good is that with no VICTORY over a depleted BILLS team!Fact is its time for KELLON we need to be able to stretch the field because right now we get no respect from apposing DBs.Whats with he was trying to throw the ball away ,it just got away from him or IT CAME OUT WEIRD how many times have we heard that before!"
Brian I Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 4:15pm ET"I think that Mangini has seriously overestimated the ability of this team. Maybe the new coach energy that took over last year drove us to the playoffs, but this is a bad team, with a horrendous defensive scheme. I am sorry but they have been a consistent let down and the hardest pill to swallow is hearing the rehearsed responses of the players after the games."
cheps13 Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 4:31pm ET"HOW BOUT THIS 4-3 ALLINGMENT POUHA,ROBERTSON,ELLIS,KOLEMAN WITH VILMA HARRIS AND BARTON .ERIC COLEMAN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY!PLEASE GIVE US MORE POUHA AND HARRIS THEY LOOK SOLID.PLEASE GIVE US MORE SMITH LESS JUSTIN!CHAD WOULD BE A SOLID BACK-UP TIME FOR KELLON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Drew Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 5:06pm ET"Ira.. How can the Bills play a deep zone and stop the running game?? A great team cant do both let alone a bad team ravaged by injuries. Were they playing w/ I2 guys? I was being funny saying" win in thier sleep" but come on. You have to do one or the other, run the heck out of the ball or open it up by throwing downfield...somehow B-Scott did neither?? We also need some passrush already!!"
JetsDawg Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 5:19pm ET"So getting a good 3-4 is a simple matter of getting a 350lb guy in the middle? Defenses are so much more complicated I love how the solution is always so easy to 'fans'. Dump the 3-4! Put in Clemens! Sign every guy for 10 years so they can't leave who cares about this salary cap thing!"
Ira Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 8:27pm ET"Drew, The Bills really got good push from the front 4 and the LB's filled the run gaps. They basically stopped the Jets running game with 7 players most of the day."
Brandon Said:
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:47pm ET"Holy god guys, will you stop with the "Pennington has no arm" crap. Last year i remember him completing quite a few 20+ yard bombs. Its all about the play calling like I have said before. Give him a chance to show you he can go downfield. Also handing the ball off to T. Jones would help a lot too...offensive play calling is to conservative."
Ernesto Said:
Wed, October 3, 2007 - 12:36pm ET"Pennington doesn't have an arm. It's not just about throwing 20+ yards. It's about hitting coles on those quick outs with some ZIP ON THE BALL. Lobbing the ball to the sideline trying to hit coles and co. is his biggest problem. Sure his accuracy over the middle is awesome, but those sideline patterns and quick outs need ZIP. Start the rook, pennington's had enough."
Drew Said:
Wed, October 3, 2007 - 3:22pm ET"Ira...It is hard to say the Bills stopped the running game when TJ gets 12 carries. The Jets did not run the ball nearly enough against a team that has been worn down by offenses all year. Let alone they have no depth because of injury. Poor play calling... This is on B-schott"
Andrew T. Said:
Wed, October 3, 2007 - 4:49pm ET"Give Chad some respect. 32 of 39 passing? Unheard of. When he plays, the Jets win - even ESPN and co. admit that. Leave the guy alone and let him play. "
Dave B Said:
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 7:53pm ET"" Hey Andrew T"..have you been watching the jet games this season...who do you think been quarterbacking...if we win when Chad plays than explain our poor offensive showing this year, we can put you behind center and you will go 32 for 39 throwing the ball 4 yards...I like Chad alot too!..but i also watch the same game as i think you do.....lets beat the Giants and get this thing going..go jets."
Najy Said:
Thu, October 4, 2007 - 11:31pm ET"Our offense is too predictable. We have special packages with personal for running and passing and teams pick that up. Also, we need to start running the ball on second down and stop running it on 1st down because we do the same thing over and over. We run on first, gain 1 yard, then we pass on 2nd and third. We payed all this money for TJ and he might me our best offensive player..USE HIM!"
Jed Said:
Fri, October 5, 2007 - 2:47pm ET"Yeah, Chad's aweful! In 2000, we got Chad and the Pats got Brady. Hmmm... talk about the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Don't praise Chad for anything, he's a decent QB but don't expect to win a Super Bowl with him leading the Jets. And last time I checked we lost last week with Chad starting so don't sit here and say Chad knows how to win."
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LT Said:
Mon, October 1, 2007 - 4:38pm ET"The Jet's need to go back to the 4-3 move Thomas to DE again Bowens and Pouha to DT Vilma Barton and Hobson at LB as it was in 2004 that defense was incredible they had 7 2nd half shutouts that year!! SEVEN!!!! against what was a decent schedule...also late in the game driving Pennington had to have somebody in the middle of the field with the Bills guarding the sidelines...Brad Smith on a post!!!"
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