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09/11 — As you have heard by now, the NFL is investigating claims that a New England Patriots employee was videotaping play signals being given by Jets coaches on their sideline from the Patriots' sidelines during Sunday's season opener.
And ESPN.com is reporting tonight that according to NFL sources, commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that New England violated league rules and is considering severe sanctions, including possibly taking away "multiple draft picks" from the Patriots.
The Patriots will be allowed a chance to present their side of the story Friday, said the Internet site's sources, and that Goodell could have a decision that same day.
The incident began Sunday with reports say that NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee during the game. The league issued a statement through spokesman Greg Aiello that said:
"The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field or in the locker room during the game. Clubs have specifically been reminded in the past that the videotaping of an opponent's offense or defensive signals on the sidelines is prohibited. We are looking ino whether the Patriots violated this rule."
Aiello said today that no official decision has been made.
The Jets' policy in this matter has been to defer to the NFL. Head coach Eric Mangini, asked at the end of his Monday afternoon news conference about the reports, said:
"With anything along those lines, those are all league-related matters, and anything that deals with an issue like this or anything on a team-by-team basis, those all go to the league."
And general manager Mike Tannenbaum told newyorkjets.com today, "We are obviously aware of the story. I'm not going to comment on any specifics. We'll let the league's investigation take its course."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (171)Ira Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:32pm EDT"Randy, Suspension of Belichick and forfeit is the only way to deal with this. Draft picks are weak. The NFL needs to deal with this harshly. This is worse than players getting suspended for off the field problems. This is 100% cheating. Goodell needs to suspend Belichick , forfeit and fine Kraft!!!!"
G.M. Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:34pm EDT"Its sad to see such a revered organization stoop to these types of measures in order to get a victory, what happened to the purity of the game. I look to see Roger Goodall to come down hard on N.E. They should lose 1st rounders, suspend Bill B. for 8 games, give up the win, and fine N.E. 10 Millon, "
Ira Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:35pm EDT"In the 2nd half Eric was watching the D several times from behind the line of scrimmage almost like a DB. He had to be wondering what was going on or he already knew what the Pats were doing. He usually never stands behind the line like that."
streamin' team Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:36pm EDT"If true, this is worse than a player sponsoring dog fighting or similar off-field conduct. It truly compromises the integrity of the game."
Segundo Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:38pm EDT"Randy: Any chance the Jets will be awarded Pat draft picks vis a vis the Pats just forfeiting them. Thanks. "
Dan Glaser Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:40pm EDT"There used to to be a time that I respected Bill Belichick, despite his abandoning the Jets during his one-day stint as head coach. Rather than calling off the dogs he mixed passes with runs and blitzed defensively in a game that was out of reach. He is obviously classless enough to videotape them"
JORGE MARTINEZ Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:40pm EDT"I THINK THE LEAGUE SHOULD TAKE AWAY THE WIN, AND MAKE THEM EXAMPLE!!!!!!!"
Johnwer Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:41pm EDT"The Patriots should be forced to forfeit the game they played against the Jets, that would put a quick end to this sort of nonsense"
Steve Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:42pm EDT"This is a sad thing to see. I feel very upset to see the other team cheat and dishonor the game. The Patriots should be ashamed of themselves."
Breton Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:43pm EDT"I'm not going to make excuses for my beloved Jets. The Pats flat out beat us. However, I wouldn't mind at all if Goodell granted us the win :)."
evan Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:43pm EDT"They should forfeit the win in my opinion. The pats cheated us and that being said we deserve something.. Great they might lose draft picks, but i liked the idea posed yesterday that they should lose them to us. That would at least be fair-- we got cheated, we should get something in return..."
jetfan Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:48pm EDT"I don't want league compensation. The Jets should get compensation because they were the victims. .Jets 1-0 Patriots 0-1. its the only way to go"
Paul Barrett Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:49pm EDT"I have lived in NH/NE for 33 years and have always been a Jets fan. This is not shocking in the least. The Patriot's are dirty and will sink to any level to get the edge. All I hear is it's part of the game, great role model for young player's of the game to see. I'm glad coach B. lasted 1 day."
Mike Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:52pm EDT"The proposed punishment for the patriots cheating in sunday's game is a loss of multiple draft picks. The nfl must also consider the jets because the outcome of the game might have been different if the pats didn't cheat. The patriots should forfeit and the jets should get the win."
Maria Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:54pm EDT"Take away their win to!!!!"
John Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:55pm EDT"Can anyone clarify what happens to the Patriot's picks if it is decided that they violated the league's policy, and Commissioner Goodell chooses that route for punishment? Do they simply disappear, or are they transferred to the Jets?"
tom bake Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:04pm EDT"Brady is so good it doesn't even matter. tape or no tape"
Joe Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:06pm EDT"We know the Pats are good but maybe this is why they are so good. The league should not only take a #1 draft choice away but fine them a substantial sum of money AND take the win away from them & give them a loss."
marie Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:11pm EDT"We beat u guys fair and square. The whole "video taping" thing i think is a bunch of crap. We dont need to video tape ur signals to beat you, c'mon please"
Anthony Mondella Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:14pm EDT"The Patriots organization as a whole should take a big hit from the NFL Commissioner if they cheated. This will be the Commissioners hardest test so far. Robert Kraft is a powerful NFL owner but he should be made accountable for his organizations actions regardless. I bet they get away with it."
Chris Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:17pm EDT"I dont know how you can say that the pats flat out beat us. they were also scanning jets radio frequencies. they knew exactly what was going on. they knew when they were gonna blitz. and knew every offensive play. so you cannot say that the jets were flat out beat. pats should lose the win"
JetSpaz Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:18pm EDT"Gotta say, I think my Jets did not play good ball on Sunday, BUT you should NOT get a "W" if you cheat...."
Tuco Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:21pm EDT"We clearly do not deserve the win. If anything they should lose a draft pick for the violation. Sending a tough message to the league that cheating does not pay. "
Ern Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:31pm EDT"Well they cheated...so they don't deserve the win....they only beat us on sunday because they cheated...and they probably did it last year in the playoffs too!!"
mike Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:32pm EDT"the pats did not need to cheat to beat the jets the jets always seem to beat themselves,,,"
Frank Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:43pm EDT"This is an outrage...Take away draft picks'...are they kidding? How about forfeiting the game especially if they were filming and taking advantage of it during the game and if Belichick was involved he needs to be suspended. When is integrity and accountability going to show up in pro-sports???"
lisa Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:46pm EDT"I don't see how taking their picks would do anything. The pat's have so many people like they really need anymore. I think that the win should be taken away or they should replay the game."
Jumbo Jets Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:46pm EDT"The Jets are the injured party here. It is not enough to punish the Patriots, the Jets should receive some retribution. However, when I consider the League's history of disrespect to the Jets (Belichek, Chad Morton, compensatory picks, etc...) They'll likely decide there was no affect on the game."
ChuckVCP Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:47pm EDT"The patriot's should be called the New England Cheaters from know on. Belichick has lost all of my respect for good he should be banned from the league. makes you wonder how long he's been doing this. Their record has no merit and their win should n't count.why would they need to cheat? "
Frank Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 9:51pm EDT"Every Jet fan should be outraged I suggest everyone call, e-mail and fax the NFL headquaters demanding the Patriots forfeit the game, suspend Belichick, fire the person recording and fine the team significantly. Is the NFL now going to become the NBA? We must demand Goodell take harsh action."
Tony I Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:02pm EDT"If the league finds the Pats cheated, they should be punsihed with a forfeit & a 1st round pick! This is a win of huge importance and should not be attained by cheating!"
V-Eazy Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:04pm EDT"The Patriots are cheaters!!!! The Jets are a good team and they had cheat to beat us. They should forfeit the season, give all of their draft picks to the jets and bill belicheck and his staff should be banned from the league, indefinitely for condoning this action. Its a sad day for the NFL."
Nicole Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:11pm EDT"I am a JETS fan living in Steelers Country... Steelers fans and radio are all commenting on a statement made after the Steelers/PATS playoff game years ago. Ward and Cowher had stated that it was like the PATS knew what play was coming and when. They did it before, they clearly have done it again"
Rob Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:16pm EDT"This isn't the first time the Patriots have been warned, the first time they were warned was in their 35-0 win over the Packers last season. The NFL needs to come down hard on the Pats for this, forfeit the win and a HEAVY fine, and I'd like to point out, if they're such a great team why the tape?"
matt Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:17pm EDT"whether with or without videotape...made offseason moves...randy moss made defenders look ridiculous with great cuts and routes...wes welker made phenominal catches...and there was always a jets defender around...why didnt one of the three stop moss from the TD...tapes didnt make us win sorry "
papi Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:17pm EDT"you are all just sore losers, look for any reason to bash the pats. lets the investigation take its course then make judgements. GO PATS!"
Chris Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:19pm EDT"The pats should lose the "W" and the pats should lose Draft picks. and any pats fan that says that the pats didnt cheat and says its a load of crap should read the facts of the investigation. "
chris Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:22pm EDT"do all of you realy think you lost because of a video! they had time to record,rewind figure out the plays and call them in get real if this is what you need to justify the loss then do it. award the jets the win for what you dont even come close to deserving it. if its true give the jets the picks!"
Purpleflash Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:22pm EDT"The Patriots should give up the win. It should be a forfeit. Signal stealing is part of sports (in Baseball for instance,) but not done with the use of technology, such as videotaping and illegal radio transmissions or interceptions. What the Patriot's did was flat out Cheating. Integrity?"
Greg Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:24pm EDT"I take Terrell Davis stance, though the NFL would never do it. Suspend them like you would any college team in competative violation. No matter how well they'd do, no postseason. A message needs to be sent to the team, not the future potential draft picks...again it'd never happen but fair is fair."
ChiTownGee Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:26pm EDT"HIs really name should be Bill Beliache. He will complain about everything, but then he resorts to stealing signals and scanning radio signals. I guess winning is the only thing. They should forfeit the game, not saying the J-E-T-S should get it, becasue we don't deserve it for the way we played,"
Kris Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:28pm EDT"They should either be stricken from the post season or incur that game as a loss. Losing a draft pick is not that big of a deal. For all we know, those Superbowl Championships were due to them stealing signals from other teams."
Samson Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:38pm EDT"The Pats should definitely lose the "W". I think they should be banned from the playoffs this year. Just like if a college rule is broken, no bowl games!!!!"
R Sambora Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:39pm EDT"This is more severe than the reading lips stuff... this video taping signals and coaching at a game. This is a premeditated, planned illegal action with the purpose of using, briefing/debriefing players and coaches. I also was informed that the NFL requested YAHOO take the CHEATING article off!"
Jon Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:46pm EDT"The game should be forfeited. The Pastriots knowing every play the Jets were going to run is not fair. The Patriots should definately not get the win for violating this rule. The best thing that they should get is a tie. "
CHUCK Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:51pm EDT"I am encouraged that one of the NFLs very best teams feels they must cheat to take a game from the JETS."
Jetsdawg Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:54pm EDT"Just how long have they been doing this? Didn't Rhodes say something along the lines Sunday right after the game about how it was like they knew exactly what was coming?"
Brian Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:54pm EDT"Regardless of them stealing signs. The jets looked pathetic!! It's going to be a long year!!!!!!"
NYJetsAllTheWay Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:06pm EDT"Am I the only won that ?'s past "problems". They won the superbowl w/ 2 accounts like this. Obviously, this needs to stop & why should our boys be penialized for THEIR cheating? Not fair. Notice when Chad didn't huddle, we got a play in...HMMM..."
Patsfan101 Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:17pm EDT"Listen to u guys!!! The Pats should have to forfeit!!! Maybe if the game had been closer! Face it, the pats won, and noone will be taking that away. Noone made a fuss last year when miami bought a tape of Brady's signals. "
Justin Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:26pm EDT"So the Patriots cheated and stole signals. In every other sport I know including the Olympics, the runner up gets the win."
Joe Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:28pm EDT"Let me clarify previous comment. There's no way the NFL forfeits the Pat's win UNLESS there's also evidence that they were intercepting radio signals between the coaches and Pennington. If they can prove that, then the league is facing a crisis and they MUST take severe action against the skunk Pats"
CED Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:42pm EDT"They should give us the Pats draft picks...HA!"
Pete C Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:46pm EDT"Now we know why Tom Brady is so good at beating the blitz. He knows in advance!"
Sammy Vassallo Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 11:49pm EDT"thats why tom brady had protection bc they knew when we were gonna blitz....Tom Brady is supposed to be ranked by Joe Montana..i dont think Joe Montana or any of his coaches cheated they should suspend bellichek and take away that win...they cheated to win bc of Bill and Eric's relationship..."
Chris Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:28am EDT"That is just straight out UN-professional the Patriots played on Sunday. Maybe they've been a dynasty of cheaters all along..."
jr heyel Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:34am EDT"Innocent until proven guilty..at least that is how it used to work..However..if the Pats. cheated they need to be penalized proportionately..I would be just as upset if Gangreen cheated..not much different than Steriod mess..a sad day for football indeed..you can't make this stuff up! "
James Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:41am EDT"The Pats should be docked their next #1 draft pick. The NFL cannot go back and change the outcome of the game as it would open Pandora's Box. post script: The Jets should retire the number #28 of Curtis Martin and #80 of Wayne Chrebet."
Leona Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:44am EDT"The Pats cheated for a reason - they are afraid of losing to the Jets..Cowards."
Jon Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:57am EDT"The league should make an example of this. They should forfit the win, suspend the coach, and make them give up a draft pick. I cant belive some of the Pats fans say they won "fair and square". Its proven, you cheated."
jim aronson Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:59am EDT"the win should not count at all draft picks do not help the jets record at the end of the year either replay or give the jets the win by forfeit by cheating"
jr heyel Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:01am EDT"One more quick point..ESPN reported that the Pats. have been accused of stealing signals before..who would know better than Mangini? How many years did he work in New England..he knows ALL of Belicheks dirtly little secrets!"
dick Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:13am EDT"uhhh. every one is looking for the EDGE....is billicheck taking Juice...or is he lookin g for the next advantage. Did he violate current NFL rules? Swap out the old wrinkled shirt from your locker and get a grip..."
Eric Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:17am EDT"I think that the Patriots should give Brady and Moss to the Jets as compensation."
Rick Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:20am EDT"Hey we may have lost our starting quarterback. As a fine, maybe they should give us theirs."
Back to Shea Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:54am EDT"Disgraceful.... The game should be declared a forfeit, and as a season ticket holder, who lives out west, and flew in for the game, I feel that we are entitled to a refund of our ticket money for the game as well. We, the fans( who are the paying customers), were cheated as well. "
Artie Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:43am EDT"I think taking away a win is a little too harsh, but the Pats WILL be avenged when it comes to draft picks and perhaps also when the Jets go to Foxborough and play with a lot of intensity."
Don Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:17am EDT"I think all the teams are cheating one way or another, they just got caught this time. NFL Security needs to be alot more alert on these things during game times."
Jeff (UK Jets fan) Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:20am EDT"In soccer serious rule violations lby a team ead to a deduction in points (i.e. a W in NFL speak)..... would a deduction of say 3 Wins hurt them more than draft picks?"
John Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:30am EDT"Where's Woody If this happened to the Cowboys Mr. Jones would be all over ESPN talking about it."
Frank Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:33am EDT"first of all, lets be serious for one second, the pats have been a strong team for many years, and all of a sudden they are cheaters, get real people, i watched the game and if anything the jets were so predictable, and dont get me wrong, Mangini is good but was he cheating in New England ?"
Caroline Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 4:56am EDT"If they prove that the Pat did cheat.Then yes lose the draft pick, Re-play the game and see who wins fair and square."
wallycls Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:04am EDT"It is about time we called this incident what it really is, cheating, or alleged cheating if you must. Since this story broke, I’ve heard it referred to as espionage and spying along with “alleged violation of league policy.” "
dharum Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:50am EDT"How about re-playing the game . . . Tough with the schedule, I know, but that would be interesting. Multiple draft picks, I think if there is nothing done about the game itself."
Ira Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:55am EDT"Forfeit and suspension for Belichick is the only way. Now lets get back to football. Guess the D isn't as bad as everbody is saying. Maybe the pass rush would've gotten to Brady. This shouldmake mant doubters feel better about the Jets. Jets now go out and beat the Ravens, GO JETS!"
Tony Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:21am EDT"Brady seemingly knew everything that was coming at him in advance and stood in the pocket like a statue with all day to throw. I've never seen anything like it in 20+ years of watching the NFL. This game should be ruled a tie and the Patriots organization should be punished from the top down."
Dunnie Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:22am EDT"we should get their number one next year .... however not the win ... we got crushed ... no two ways about it."
Corey Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:23am EDT"they should get the loss and us get the win.. they don't need draft picks they can afford anyone they want with a trade"
njphones Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:38am EDT"As I fan who was at the game, I must say that I feel robbed, cheated and MAD-and our QB got hurt. The NFL must make this right. 78,000 people were robbed of a fair game. At the very least, the team that cheated must forefit the game. There is good news-the Jets are a better team than we saw."
Jack Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:48am EDT"You beat us "FAIR and square" Marie??? You have got to be kidding! Since when is blatant cheating fair? I assume you support steroid use as well. What is wrong with you? "
Ray Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:55am EDT"They should def take away the W because a fine isnt gonna hurt them neither are draft picks or suspending Belicheck for a game. They had an advantage because they cheated. If the commissioner wants to toughen league behavior ex. Vick, Pacman, Chris Henry. then that should go for coaches and teams to"
Lee Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:03am EDT"With the tough line policy, Goodell should fine & suspend Belichick just as a player would be. The win should be forfieted and draft choices awarded. This can't be treated as a "white collar" infraction."
k Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:12am EDT"PLAY THE GAME AGAIN. AT GIANT STADIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Paul Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:15am EDT"I think this makes you question past seasons of Patriots succes. Yeah, the JETS looked pretty flat on Sunday, but how do you think they'd look with the opponent knowing their every move."
PAUL Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:20am EDT"THE PATS SHOULD KEEP THE WIN. AFTER ALL, THE PLAYERS DIDNT KNOW. PUNISHMENT, YES. TAKING DRAFT PICKS AWAY IS NOT PUNISHMENT UNLESS THEY ARE AWARED TO THE JETS."
Justin Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:39am EDT"The pats should loose the win from last sunday we dont how much it effected the game but cheating is cheating and it cant be tollerated!"
Kenny C the Biggest Jets Fan Go Gang Green Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:05am EDT"I always knew the pats were cheaters but this is WOW!!!! They should have that game stripped from them and we should get the W and their picks. The pats proved that we are the superior team by cheating. GO JETS!!!!!!!!"
Fernando Torres Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:18am EDT"Is this the new trend in the NFL? In 06 when Miami beat New England there were reports that they had tape of Brady's cadence. Now the Jets get destroyed and we here about a videotape. Sound like a bunch of kids whining about the fact that they lost to me. "
Schuyler Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:23am EDT"This is bad for the league and for the game of football. I personally believe the Jets should take the high road and when week 15 comes around, just pound them into the ground. That would be sweeter than any compensation, revenge on the field. "
Peter Petrole Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:25am EDT"What a complete let down the game was. I attended as well and was crushed the way the JETS played. Now, knowing what has been aired to the public, the JETS should decide what is best for the team. Taking picks, fines are not enough. This will not faze the cheats. Put the win in the JETS columne"
Jeff W Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:30am EDT"The patriots are disgracful. The should lose multiple draft picks, if not the whole draft, get fined, and coaches suspended. If they did tap into radio waves, then the game should be forfit in favor of the Jets. Don't know how they could prove that the Pats intercepted radio transmissions."
JR Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:36am EDT"Been a JET fan for forty years. I have seen almost everything, or so I thought....I think that if NE is guilty as they (the caoching staff) should be suspended...just as a player would be.."
Sergio Garcia Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:37am EDT"We obviously got robbed of the season opener. The league if not give the JETS win at least reschedule the game for a later date so they can play us fair and make them give up their draft picks and strip them of any other games on record they cheated on. Lets foolow baseball's example of PETE ROSE!!!"
B Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:42am EDT"I dont see how anyone can justify that lopsided victory..and write it off as just a bad performance by the Jets..I was involved in a game where radio signals were crossed and our coaches could hear the opposing offensive coordinator..needless to say it was a blowout in our favor..Forfeit the game"
Scott Carson Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:43am EDT"This is truly a violation of every NFL fan out there. If the investigations prove this to be true, the commissioner should lock the Patriots from going to the postseason this year. If that punishment were enforced, guaranteed that it would never happen again."
Ray Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:48am EDT"Just ask the Packers last year. 35-0. This stinks. "
EHH Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:50am EDT"As a Patriot fan, I can't blame any of you for the demands you are making. I am upset with the Patriots management at this point myself. But, let's be real, every team in the league is probably doing the same thing. The Patriots just got caught. It doesn't make it right, just stupid."
Walt Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:54am EDT"I think N.E should change their name to the N.E Stealers. I can take a lost being a Jets fan but stealing in sports is cheating in sports. I say play fair or dont play at all. The Pats stold that game. I call for rematch during the Jets and N.E Bye week. That is just my opinion. "
Mary Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:57am EDT"As a long-time Jets fan I am outraged at the Patriots organization! The NFL should make good on it and force the Pats to forfeit. I know that won't happen, but it sure would feel good!! That would put a stop to it once and for all! "
Drew Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:06am EDT"This O-line dominated the same way in the playoffs last year...maybe this tape did help the Pats. Either way they kicked our butts tape or no tape. The league will never make them give up the win so let's get to week 2 and "try" and beat the Ravens. "
paul Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:13am EDT"At the very least the game should be deemed a tie. Letting them keep that win says cheating is OK in the NFL."
Ry Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:22am EDT"Big deal. A couple of draft choices? The game in foxboro should be moved to the meadowlands. If the Giants play, Jets & Pats can play on Saturday. And Pats can say goodbye to all the revenue on that game. That's not a bad penalty."
dave h. Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:26am EDT"if you get caught cheating in Vegas, you dont get to leave with the winnings!"
pa-jetsguy Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:30am EDT"This is cheating , no doubt about it . The same as using performance enhancing substances , cheating is cheating . The league states that upon the second infraction , of which this is , that the player shall be suspended for four games.. Guess what? Forefit, away the Pats first two games.!!!"
Firefighter TAZ Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:35am EDT"IM mad as a cow........makes me wonder and alot of fans out there not only from the JETS side but from around the league DID THEY REALLY WON THOSE 3 SUPERBOWLS? makes you wonder now huh......they did the same with the packers in 2006 and look at the score almost the identical 35-0 pats "
David Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:49am EDT"As a Giant fan I have seen many NFC between the Giants and the Boys, Skins, etc and never saw anything like this. Objectively speaking, the Pats should forfeit the win and the game should be replayed. The Jets and their fans deserve to see the game played on an even keel."
WIlliam Bonds Belichick Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:52am EDT"Jets fans should hold a rally/protest outside of NFL headquarters on friday!!"
Lynn Citron Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:55am EDT"I feel it is unfair that the patriots cheat and they still get to keep the game. They should be made to forfeit the game. Why should we wait until next year for them to pay? And what is the Jets compensation? Nothing?"
Ed the Jet Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:24am EDT"Ofcourse the Patriots dominated us they knew what was coming, and if any of you guys remember Phil Simms was saying that the Jets were not putting anytype of pressure. he Said wow the Pats Offensive Line seems to know what's coming. yea when they knew where the blitz packages were coming from."
Andrew Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:28am EDT"Belichick and Brady should both be suspended for this. This is an outrage. This hurts the integrity of the game far worse than what Michael Vick did."
Gerry Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:53am EDT"They should suspend the starting team for three games. If they fine them isnt a win worth $100,000 or what ever. At the end of the season a win is worth any fine amount."
David M. Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:13pm EDT"The Pats cheated and they need to be punished. The Jets need something out of this to make it fair. Draft picks do not help the Jets this Year. The game should be a tie. cant be replayed because it is unfair to both teams to play an additional game. Randy, will the league give anything to the Jets?"
Paul Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:22pm EDT"The NFL should have devised sanctions and penalties for such rule violations beforehand. Now, whatever they do will become the standard and teams will have to decide whether the penalty is worth the crime. A few draft picks would certainly be worth this kind of edge in a superbowl."
Sigh... Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:28pm EDT"curious that my previous post about the tape being taken two minutes into the game never made this post. How is that beneficial to the game? Doesn't explain the first drive, nor the 108 yard return. Take away the other TD's, and at best it's a tie game... explain that."
Randy Lange Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:09pm EDT"Sigh, in your first post you engaged in name-calling. In this post you didn't."
GUIDO Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:33pm EDT"This is totally unfair the Patriots have probably been cheating for 4 years now and the NFL has probably tried to cover it up but now its out and they should be punished!!!!! Either GIVE THE JETS THE WIN or make it like college and GIVE THE PATRIOTS NO CHANCE OF GETTING INTO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!"
dave h Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:35pm EDT"how many times have we seen fantastic plays resulting in scores, recalled for a penalty that had nothing to do with the play, to me it follows in this matter also, the mgmt was called on a penalty, "cheating", they need to make this a black and white issue no grey areas, no interpretations."
LISA Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:35pm EDT"I think the pats. should not be able to count this game as a win.I paid money to see this home game.What they did was wrong,they cheated the jets and all the jets fans.So they don't get a draft pick that does nothing for this season.PATS LOST!!!! BY CHEATING!!!"
CC Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:47pm EDT"Randy, how much of of a surprise is this in the NFL. I have long thought that the reason coordinators hold a clipboard over their mouth while communicating is to thwart video lip-readers."
Ben Doucette Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:21pm EDT"The fact that the patriots are only losing draft picks disgusts me.....what will that do to them nothing it is a rediculous punishment, the jets team and players should be insulted at the league for this, the game should be forfeited the patirots were scared and found the only way to win was cheatin"
Don Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:25pm EDT"In addition to the punishment the league hands out, some season ticket holder who is also a lawyer should file a class action lawsuit against the Patriots asking that ticketholders be compensated for the value of their tickets since the Patriots saw fit to cheat and make a farce of the rules."
JETS FAN Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:26pm EDT"The whole notion of losing draft picks is absurd the pats dont care. What i want to know is what about the guy accused of video taping the signs he should be fired this is twice he was caught, the other game was the 30-0 blow out in greenbay. The Pats should forfiet the win."
JP Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:30pm EDT"Randy, Belchick apologized for what we already knew...they cheated! The game should be forfeit where the Patriots lose the win and the Jets lose the lose. Suspensions need to be given out...draft picks will not hurt a "depth" team like the Patriots. Big question is, how many sb did they do this?"
Ellen Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:31pm EDT"Draft picks for next year!!! What about this year?? They should have to forfeit the game to the Jets. Not only did we lose the game to their cheating, but we may have lost Pennington for the next game. Are you hearing us Goodell??"
Kyle Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:52pm EDT"The Pats should Forfeit the win, lose 1st & 2nd round draft picks, & be fined. I was shocked to hear this because I thought the Pats would never stoop that low I can see the Radiers doing that but the Pats. "
Craig Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:17pm EDT"I have been a loyal and dedicated Pats fan since I was 15 back in 1985, even through the years they were horrible. If these allegations prove to be true, and I think they will be, then I will have lost all respect for Belichick and will stop watching Pats football untill he is no longer there."
Kyle Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:17pm EDT"go on to espn.com & go to click on "Sources: Goodell says rules broken" Story & it says last year the jets caught the same guy taping the signs last year but could not do anything about it "
Howard Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:41pm EDT"ok so the pats were video tapping our defencive calls.anyone who believes this is wrose then m. vick my opinion your sick.this is a game now the pats should lose a 1st round pk billy boy should get a 1 game suspention against us next game and 10 million off the o8 cap make them play with less money "
Tom Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 2:54pm EDT"How about both? Forfeit game and lose a pick! Bellichick is only sorry he was caught. He'd do anything for a competitive advantage and always pushed the envelope. His DBs foul until they're caught. Winning is the only thing. It doesn't matter how. Cheating affects the integrity of the game."
Dantes Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:20pm EDT"This is such a serious offensive; worse than Michael VIck, I dont know. But what they did was to serious to take lightly. In my opinion, the ponishment should either be Bill gets a suspension, 10 million dollar fine off the cap, and the first 2 picks revoked or they forfeit the game. FORFEIT!!!!!!!!"
Frank Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:39pm EDT"If the rule states that you cannot tape then the Patriots broke the rule. You can't steal offensive calls so the Pats Def. Shutdown the Jets offense fair and square. I am a Pats fan and I am upset about this. Be fair to the players. Don't forget Mangini was part of our Superbowl teams."
sigh... Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:41pm EDT"If there's question about the Pat's "legacy" and whether it's legitimate, shouldn't Mangini be involved those discussions and punishments as he was on board during that time? "
sigh... Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:49pm EDT"I fail to see the "serious offense". Even when Bill Parcells was asked, he laughed saying "every team does it". The Dolphins did it to the Pats last year, and few made a stink about it.. JT flat out admitted to it. They took the loss & now protect themselves from it happening again. "
Sigh... Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:54pm EDT"Sounds like panic in the heart of Jets fans, you just don't want to face the pats in the playoffs. As a sox fan, I want to go through the Yankees... as a pats fan, I want to go through the colts. Title doesn't mean as much if you don't go through your nemesis. "
Jake Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 3:57pm EDT"Kudos to Craig he has the right idea!! My wife insists that until its fixed I should boycott all NFL football games. I wonder if the commish realizes how far reaching this could go from a fan stand point. I would hate to think I had bet money on a game against the Pats just to find out they cheat!"
Luis Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:30pm EDT"The Pats need to be fined and penalized more severely like they do in the college ranks. What they did it plain cheating. The NFL "claims" to expect their players to set an example to the fans. YEah, right. when a franchise cheats... hey kids go ahead and cheat in sports. it's OK, the NFL allows it."
bob Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:32pm EDT"I think the patroits should be punished. As a Jet fan I want to see goddell make the pats forfeit the game to the jets because it was not played fairly just taking away a 5th round pick wont stop them from doing it again."
mike Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:52pm EDT"If everyone went into a bank and took $50.00 will that make it ok to do? Is a crime only a crime if you are caught? If you answered "yes" to these questions then you are a Pats fan and if they were on the losing side of this game with the Jets using a camera, you would see a different reaction."
Aidan Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 5:55pm EDT"The Jets had a chance at this game. We beat NE last year. We could do it again and all the NE fans that say it couldn't happen and all that junk. Haven't they ever heard of "on any given sunday. It proves true time and time again every year. I knew somthing was shady about 3 SuperBowls in 4 years. "
Jetstorm Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 6:00pm EDT"The queston is, how long has this been going on? If Brady gets a new play broadcasted into his helmet, based on a stolen defensive play, then its no wonder a 7th round q/back can look so good. NFL..Bounce Belecheck"
Al Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 6:45pm EDT"This really makes you wonder how a guy (Brady) who couldn't even break into the starting lineup in college can come into the league and become such a superstar. No wonder why there was no pass rush all day. The Patriots knew exactly what the defense was going to do next. "
JP Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 6:48pm EDT"Boycotting NFL games is not the answer...Goddell has been coming down hard this year and I expect him to do the right thing. From what we keep hearing, this is getting serious. Why not go with Terrell Davis's idea: Ban them from tournament play. no one will ever cheat again..at least on camera"
Jetsfan Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:25pm EDT"Haa! Haa! Busted! Explain yourself Bill. "
david Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 7:39pm EDT"they should be forced to forfiet the game"
Yezzir Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:17pm EDT"Although i wouldn't question Brady's ability as a football player by this, i would question simply the close games they won in the past while doing this. The league should definitely take this seriously as it is a huge advantage from a gameplan stand point."
mike Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:12pm EDT"forfiet the game?thats crazy these 2 teams are not even in the same level of play,,,cmon penn to brady? not close,recieving core? not close,,defence? not close,,,pats are by far a more dominant team ,,stop crying and remember jets still need to go to new england,,good luck on that one"
mike Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:26pm EDT"the nfl has seen one of the best football teams they have ever seen and it scares them cheaters i dont think so winners stop crying we are not playing poker"
soniccobra Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:36pm EDT"They were caught cheating, they knew the policy and did it anyway. They should be banned from post season play!"
the greenbeast Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:09pm EDT"You know that is real sad for them to go that far for the win! They should take some draft picks from them and take the win and have the Jets and the Pats rematch that game! That explains how they were able to counter every play the Jets D threw at them and I hope the next game they take to them!!!!"
jimmy Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 10:51pm EDT"forfeit the game?They were caught in the 1st quarter.Explain the rest of the game.Did Randy Moss catch the 51 yrd td after being triple covered because the tape told him how slow the defenders were?While it is unfair cheating, it doesn't allow the players to play with more physical ability."
Nick Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:02pm EDT"If they cheated on this game that means they have cheated in the past seasons. The same coaches are there and the ways they prepare are the same. Why do they get to cheat and nothing but draft picks get taken away? The game should be forfeited, thats the only way they will learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
josh Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:06pm EDT"something needs to be done quickly and decisively. If Goddell is soft on this issue I will boycott football as such all football fans regardless of which team they like. This kind of offense not only hurts the integrity of the game but it rips the fans off of a true football game. "
dan Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:16pm EDT"i remember one 51yd touchdown catch by R.Moss that broke the Jets back and moss had 180yds! If anyone doesnt think those yards and that pass play wasnt a product of sign stealing?! They wouldnt have cheated unless it was working so i think its a big deal and might have cost us the game. "
LEVITTOWN TONY Said:
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 11:25pm EDT"ALL JET FANS KNOW BELICHICK IS A CREEP, NOW HE'S A CHEAT. THE GAME SHOULD BE AWARDED TO THE JETS WITH A ONE YEAR SANCTION AGAINST THE PATRIOTS."
jetdive Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 12:32am EDT"if they did cheat it should be a tie game? We could lose chad for a week or so NFL has to wake up and get on this problem Alot of players are getting hurt "
Mike Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 7:48am EDT"The 51 yd touchdown catch came from a broken defensive play. One of many, along with ineffective offense. But the fact that the Pat's were videotaping should result in a 1 game suspension of Coach Belichik and a loss of 2 late round draft picks. Taking a 1st round will hurt the prospects not Pats."
RJ Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 8:56am EDT"the timing was wrong i think they shold lose multiple draft pick and the pats should forfit the game."
PATHATER Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 9:03am EDT"THE CAME SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE JETS AS A WIN AND THE PAT'S SHOULD FORFIT THE REST OF THEIR SEASON. ALL MANAGEMENT OF THE TEAM SHOULD BE FIRED. MAYBE EVEN THE OWNER FORCED TO SELL AND NONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE NFL AGAIN."
whiterock32 Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 11:15am EDT"From someone who truly hates the pats, I think that the league should do what the NCAA does to schools that break rules. Take away there first and second round draft picks for the next two years and not allow them to take part in the post season for the same."
Gang Green Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 12:13pm EDT"Bellichek should be suspended for 4 weeks, Jets get pats 1st round pick Jets get week one win Jets recieve both halfes in NE on 12/19"
NFL Update Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 1:32pm EDT"Currently the NFL has multiple investigation TEAMS: Reviewing ALL the PATS games video tapes of every game for the past 6 year Putting together a matrix on all complaints from opposing teams; PRIOR & POST PATRIOT ACTions complaints, includes loss of wireless communications (jamming, static, etc)"
JAFO4669 Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 1:43pm EDT"I think that the "PATS" should have their win taken away and given a loss. The high and mighty Bill should be suspended for the season and fined. The players souldn't suffer cause they followed poor leadership...!"
Ricky Blackman Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 4:52pm EDT"At the very least the Jets should get the Sunday win. How else can we discourage cheating, and make no mistake that is what it was."
Craig in Philly Said:
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 10:15pm EDT"I'm wondering about those Super Bowl wins. Whay they came on in the second half against Philly? Hmmm?"
Jake Said:
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 7:35am EDT"Too much focus is on Belichick’s illegal videotaping when the real crime is that he was able to plant a Patriot’s official wearing Jet’s colors on the Jet’s sideline! Image what other inside information such access would bring to a cheater?"
ralph Said:
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 2:14pm EDT"Didn't mean to rate Jake's Sep 14th as offensive. Hit the button in error. Was the Partiots official actually wearing Jets attire?"
Jake Said:
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:35pm EDT"I don't mean to be offensive, but the "cameraman" was wearing a green shirt and roaming around on the Jets' sideline. Why not film on the other side or in the stands? If you're just filming hand signals, I bet you only need about a dozen ... so what else can he do given his access? Just wondering?"
Jake Said:
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 12:23am EDT"To answer Ralph’s question, no, but he was wearing green and blended in with Jets’ personnel. If you TiVo the game as I did on NFL replay, at 10:51 left in the 2nd you will see a cameraman filming a yard behind Mangini. IF that was the same as identified by many outlets at 5:17 in the 1st ... then image the access? Plays? Strategy? Injury update? Scary!"
Nancy Said:
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 9:55pm EDT"Everyone I was sitting around was cheering becuase Chad was out of the game. I was hoping his ankle was broken, and he'd be out for the season. We need to get someone who can actually throw the ball downfield! Bring on Kellen!"
mike Said:
Sun, September 16, 2007 - 12:24pm EDT"bottom line pats 1-0 jets 0-1,,,even without tapeing the score woul remain the same the pats are a more dominant team ,,jets fans enjoy your long season"
chris Said:
Tue, September 18, 2007 - 8:24pm EDT"where are the comments about the jets cheating in the baltimore game!you should forefit the game. whats the matter the rules dont apply to you. funny how you are all quiet about this.cheaters!!"
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Brett Said:
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:30pm EDT"Randy, Can't the NFL implement a stronger fine than just taking away a few draft picks? To me, that still doesn't take the loss away from the Jets. While I understand the jets still lost the game, I'm confident that this taping incident had a lot to do with how they ran all over the Jet D. "