Ryan vs. Payton Is a Dream Coaching Matchup
Published: Wed, September 30, 2009 - 10:23am ET
By Eric Allen
Allen is the senior managing editor of newyorkjets.com. He is in his ninth season with the Jets.
File Under: Baltimore Ravens, Rex Ryan, New Orleans Saints, Bart Scott, Sean Payton, Hurricane Katrina
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09/30 — It’s been nearly three years since Rex Ryan locked up in a chessmatch with Sean Payton. Both men — the defensive genius and the offensive mastermind — will surely recall that game while devising their game plans this week for Sunday’s battle of unbeatens at the Superdome.
On Oct. 29, 2006, the 4-2 Baltimore Ravens met up with the 5-1 New Orleans Saints down in the Gulf Coast two months back in the Superdome following the 2005 devastation that was Hurricane Katrina.
The Saints were a feelgood story under Payton, their first-year head coach, and QB Drew Brees, in the first year of a six-year deal he signed that March. They’d go on to capture 10 games and claim the NFC South division championship before seeing their dream season end in Chicago one step short of the Super Bowl. The Saints finished the regular season ranked No. 1 in the NFL in offense and tied a team mark by scoring 49 touchdowns as Brees passed for 4,418 yards, 26 TDs and just 11 interceptions.
And the Ravens were led by Ryan, a second-year defensive coordinator, and a unit featuring the likes of Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Adalius Thomas, Haloti Ngata, Chris McAlister, Ed Reed and even a young Bart Scott. They were loaded for bear and would finish ranked first overall in defense (264 yards per game) and yield only 12.6 points per game. After the Ravens won 13 regular-season games, Ryan was named Assistant Coach of the Year by Pro Football Weekly and the Pro Football Writers Association.
So what happened that fall when the unstoppable force met the immovable object?
Brees passed for 383 yards and three touchdowns on the Ravens’ vaunted defense, but Payton’s Saints were no match for Ryan and company. Brees, who completed 24 of 45 passes, was intercepted three times, and two of those picks were returned for touchdowns. The 6’0” passer also had 13 passes knocked down, including a number at the line as Ryan had his men clog up the accurate passer's lanes.
The final was 35-22, Ravens, but the contest was a blowout. It was 35-7 by the middle of the third quarter and the Ravens even knocked Reggie Bush out of the game in the fourth with an ankle injury. Brees fumbled the ball away on the Saints’ opening possession and Bush threw an errant halfback pass to Ray Lewis, ending the home club’s second drive. Then Brees was victimized by a Ronnie Prude interception and 12-yard scoring runback and it was 21-0 midway through the second quarter. The Ravens scored 28 points off five Saints turnovers.
"When you make mistakes on your end of the field, they result in points." Payton said following the one-sided affair. "In this case, if you look at the turnovers, that's what happened. It's not any magic formula.”
“He may have thrown for 350 yards but a lot of that was overkill,” Bart Scott remembered of Brees this week. “We went up early. A lot of the scores came when the game was said and done and we had some backups in and moved out. A lot of those yards probably came in the second half because we scored 21 points early, so we jumped on them pretty early and kind of geared it down.”
So much has changed in the three years since Ryan and Payton matched wits in the Superdome. But there are parallels as Ryan will once again be taking a bruising, unrelenting defense down to see another electric, dynamic Payton-led offense.
“I always think I'm the best in calling a game on defense, so there is that chessmatch. When I was a coordinator, I used to love these opportunities,” Ryan said. “Now when you step back and you're the head man, you're just like, ‘Oh, I don't know, our schedulemaker wasn't real happy when they put our schedule together.’ ”
The Saints lead the league in both scoring (40 points per game) and total offense (438 ypg), but the Jets’ “D” is second overall in yielding 11.0 points an outing (8.7 if you don't include the Houston TD off Mark Sanchez's interception) and third in allowing 256 yards per game. Brees was deadly in September, completing 69.1 percent of his passes for 841 yards with nine touchdowns and two interceptions. But the Jets are first in yards allowed per pass play and have limited three pretty good offenses to an NFL-low five red zone opportunities.
You can go on and on with stats, but this is a game everyone in the NFL will pay close attention to. Sure, both teams are off to impressive 3-0 starts, but Ryan and Payton going at it is a special coaching matchup that you just don’t see too often.
“It's going to be a great challenge to us," Ryan said. "It's who is in front of us. I know our guys will be prepared and we'll go down there and give them everything we have and we'll see if that's good enough."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (28)Anthony Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 11:26am ET"I believe in the Jets and if they give them everything we got then I think there is a good chance of pulling it out. No doubt Brees and company is a tough group. But I hope to see us attacking the LT because the Saints just lost there probowl tackle so make notice of that. I could see a lot of Shockey and some screens to be coming out of htis game too. Go get emm. Green"
ddh Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 11:31am ET"its nice to see the coaches brought to the fore front, in the past poor coaching has cost the jets dearly, and I dont just mean recent past, I believe Rex will not only slam the door shut, but lock it behind him, any win is a win but winning by 2 or 3 tds is not only comfortable but momentum building. love to see the D score some points in NO, GO JETS !!!!!!"
DanJet Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 12:16pm ET"tough game on the road. Harris and Schott will introduce themselves to Shockey. Lowery still gets exposed one-on-one. hopefully Stickland and Sheppard are back. Pace is back next week. after Saints, next 5 games against sub .500 teams including two with Miami. why stop now? Jets win close one in N.O."
Jeremy Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 12:53pm ET"Anthony hit this one on the head-Saints O-Line is going to be put to the test-If they continually have to keep 1 or 2 in the backfield to handle the blitz and help the new LT-the DB's will have to man up and I have the all the faith in the world in Revis. This game is going to come down to us getting Lito & Strickland back or not! Westhoff will have ST ready as always and they could again win it!"
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 1:22pm ET"I think the Saints could really go far this year but they haven't seen a D like the Jets' yet -- nobody has but HOU, NE, and TEN. Also the first game in which we might see the cost of our problems on O, including those stupid and incredibly dangerous inside screens that somebody mentioned on the Sanchez story. Every time Schotty calls one all I see is the 100-yard TD INT return in last year's SB."
scjoe Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 1:53pm ET"I am not a fan of all the usual cliches people use for sporting events, like we hear on most pre game shows. BUT, I will say this. To win this game the Jets must run the ball, shorten the game, keep Brees watching from the sideline, and play mistake free. No way do we win a shootout with NO. Not this early, in this year, with MS. Next year????"
bert Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 2:12pm ET"thought id check your newspapers to see what you're writing about the game....i'm a saints fan from mississippi...i feel its going to be a big game and the key is our O line and your D......we've had to shuffle some guys up there but there still protecting drew pretty well and opening holes.....if you're able to plug the holes and put some pressure on drew then you'll have a shot...otherwise :)"
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 2:53pm ET"Hey Bert, congratulations on how good the Saints look! As a kid back in the '60s I lived for AFL and NFL highlight shows on TV and I always rooted for the Saints because with Kilmer they were always fun to watch even if they lost. Fears was a great player and a smart football man who with more tools from the front office could've been a great coach. These days I love Drew...but not THIS Sunday!"
36 year fan Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:19pm ET"This is our biggest test. We've got to force them to play our style of game. We Can't let Brees get comfy back there or we're done. Go Jets."
Row Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:33pm ET"Thanks joe, that's exactly what I've been saying all season. I will also say that Clowney will have a chance in the dome. Speedsters play better under roof. We need a Brad Smith package to accent Sanchez. The goldon boy needs to learn to check out of a run on first down. Schotty will show us what the O can do, or we're in for a long season. After last game, teams are gonna go after Sanchez. GoJets"
cliff Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:37pm ET"Jet's will definately need a better running game this week. Me, I'd bench Jones and give Leon a bigger role. Thus far he's been far more effective than Jones and he can catch the ball. Maybe give Greene the backup role. If they can control the ball like against Hou and N.E, Jet's win otherwise I see a Saints win."
hammer Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:54pm ET"Couldnt ask for a better match up on a sunday afternoon...BUT..i dont see our Jets winning this game unless we get the running game going...the only way to beat the Saints on the road is to keep Brees off the field as long as possible and keep mistakes to a minimum....speacial teams could be a deciding factor , but they arent paying MS 50 mil to rely on special teams to win games...GO JETS!!"
russ Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:55pm ET"This game is a fun game but in reality next weeks game and week after are more important (Miami & Buffalo). I would rest Jenkins back this weekend to get the two division games in the win column.. New Orleans is meaningless if we lose either of the next.two...Comments???"
StevenD Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:57pm ET"Good article but... Katrina was in 2005 not 2006. The Saints didn't play any games in New Orleans for a year after Katrina. "
Randy Lange Said:
"Thanks for mentioning. It will be corrected."
Warren Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 4:12pm ET"The press is always talking about Brees. The news reported that the Bills shut down the Saints passing game. It just proves to me that the Saints fooled me AND the public. The Bills never shut down the Saints offense, the Saints played a running and defensive game that took the Bills by surprise. I say this to the Jets,,,,"be afraid, be very very afraid!"
Anonymous Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 4:23pm ET"the saints are a great football team but don' t t hink the jets have what it takes to beat them go saints"
Jimmer Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 4:39pm ET"Bert, I think we agree. NYLD vs NOO will prove to be one hell of a game. But Sanchez just may carve you up. Not trash talking, being honest. We are more than just defense. I personally would love a gunslingers duel to see what we have. Not gonna happen against our defense though. Shame your website is poorly run, you can only post here, no response. "
BriGuyinFL Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 4:54pm ET"Just read on a NO website that the back up to thier starting off. tackle just pulled out for sundays game. they are bringing in a 3rd string tackle..I hope it is Breeze's blind side : ) Rex has out foxxed the NO HC once, I say he does it again. Just hope we can contain the disdain that Vilma must have for us. He was traded for a 3rd round pick!!!! Thats gotta sting a bit."
Mike Mc Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 5:13pm ET"Hey Bert How is Ernie doin? Enjoy Colston, I went to all his games at Hofstra and he was unbelievable then. Hit Brees enough & he'll make a couple of mistakes. You'll always win one game you shouldn't on paper & you'll always lose one too. This might be the game 61/2 pts? How dare they , right Bart & Uncle Joe."
Frankie Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 5:45pm ET"how can we be 6.5 point underdawgs.. well.. whatever.. i know we can beat this team.. defense always prevails... lets go JETS"
Layedback Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 7:38pm ET"All I see is everyone talking about New Orleans offense. I case you guys don't know New Orleans is ranked number 10 in overall defense and between 1 and 3 in rushing defense ( can't remember exact number). So don't just think the Jets are gonna do as they please the Saints finally have a defense. It's gonna be a fun game and Geaux Saints!!!"
ruben Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 11:29pm ET"its gonna be a great game but i think the jets will take this one lets go jets"
Fish Hunters Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 11:44pm ET"I have a "feeling" about this game. Don't think we're yet getting the respect we deserve as a team. Think people are still thinking it's a mirage. Thinking this is a statement game for us and we'll make a very positive statement."
Jon - Poughkeepsie Said:
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 12:23am ET"I like em going in underdogs keeps em HUNGRY. What really makes me laugh is the ESPN power rankings, no apologies there huh? What they started us out at at 26th? Don't hear anybody saying "boy were we wrong." This is a great team with great fans."
Steve From Lindenhurst Said:
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 1:11pm ET"If the Jets can take this game, I will to start to believe, just a little bit, that they can be better than the guaranteed 4-12 after starting 4-0. New Orleans has what looks to be a very polished offensive attack, and this will be a barometer for the New Look New York Jets..."
Ed in Tucson Said:
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 1:37pm ET"Saints' D is ranked 29th in completion percentage. Looks like our pass game will have to loosen up their D for our run game again. I hope they stick to short, high percentage passes in the 5-10 yd range. Keeping Brees on his sideline as long as possible is crucial. Harassing him when he's on the field is also important; pressure on every pass! Jon is right about the underdog thing - motivation!"
Fred in Charlotte Said:
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 9:44pm ET"The Jets' defensive backfield is hurt,so they'll have to bring pressure up the front. If they succeed and they get the running game going, this could be a really interesting game!"
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Ira Said:
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 11:23am ET"EA, Great post and yes its a great matchup and something has to give. Usually in a matchup with two teams with #'s they each have put up so far i would lean towards the defensive team.And that might be the case this week but i have to see more from our offense. Of course if the Jets score a couple of ST and defensive scores that will be the difference. Rex will dial it up. GO JETS!!!!!"
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