Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
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08/26 — Rex Ryan said a mouthful when he talked about how even the QB competition went between Mark Sanchez and Kellen Clemens this off-season and preseason.
“I don’t think there was a clear-cut winner statistically,” he said. “Statistically, they were very similar, whether you were tracking throws in preseason games, on the practice field or whatever.”
You can massage the stats this way and that — How many reps did each get with the first offense, how many with the twos? And we aren’t privy to the practice statistics kept by the Jets coaches for the QBs’ accuracy in 7-on-7 and team drills.
Here are some passing statistics and drive rates from the first two preseason games:
| PASSING | Att | Cmp | Pct | Yds | Y/A | TD-Int | Sacks | Rate |
| Mark Sanchez | 12 | 6 | 50.0 | 131 | 10.9 | 1-1 | 1-6 | 82.3 |
| Kellen Clemens | 14 | 9 | 64.3 | 84 | 6.0 | 1-1 | 1-3 | 74.7 |
| DRIVES | No | OPs | DrvYds | Yds/Drv | TOP | T/Drv | Pts | Pts/Drv |
| Mark Sanchez | 6 | 33 | 189 | 31.5 | 16:28 | 2:44 | 14 | 2.3 |
| Kellen Clemens | 8 | 33 | 150 | 18.8 | 17:22 | 2:10 | 13 | 1.6 |
The bottom line, though, is that naming a QB is not only a quantitative but a qualitative determination. Ryan said he wasn’t ready to do that when he was asked about the competition at the podium in the visitors’ interview room at M&T Bank Stadium minutes after Monday night’s game.
“I think I’m doing the right thing for this organization — I know I am. That’s what my heart tells me,” he said today. “Last night was when I really made that decision. I wasn’t ready to make it right after the game. I never thought it was appropriate to go in front of the national media. I wasn’t ready to do that. I wanted to put some more thought into it.
“But I’m very comfortable with my decision right now.”
Rookie Starters in Season Openers?
Needless to say, Sanchez hasn’t taken his first pro regular-season snap yet, but assuming he does take that snap on the Jets’ first offensive play at Houston on Sept. 13, he will join Baltimore's Joe Flacco and Atlanta's Matt Ryan as rookies who started in their teams' season openers.
Sanchez will also become the first pure rookie QB to start a season in franchise history. Joe Namath was the closest to first earning that distinction, getting his first start in the third game of the 1965 season.
But this discussion merits an asterisk for Dick Jamieson. Remember him? He was the starter in the very first game in franchise history, when the New York Titans hosted the Buffalo Bills at the Polo Grounds in 1960. Jamieson was drafted by Philadelphia in 1959 but never played for the Eagles, so by today’s terminology he would’ve been a first-year player when he got the nod from Titans coach Sammy Baugh.
Here is the list of all rookies and first-year QBs to start in their first pro seasons as Jets/Titans:
| Season | Quarterback | 1st Start | Tot Starts |
| 1960 | Dick Jamieson | Game 1 | 1 |
| 1964 | Pete Liske | Game 14 | 1 |
| 1965 | Joe Namath | Game 3 | 9 |
| 1973 | Bill Demory | Game 5 | 3 |
| 1975 | J.J. Jones | Game 13 | 1 |
| 1976 | Richard Todd | Game 8 | 6 |
| 1977 | Matt Robinson | Game 11 | 1 |
| 1987 | David Norrie | Game 3 | 2 |
A Fine Day at Practice
Because of the crush of quarterback business today, we've forgone a practice blog as such. But a short highlight reel would include Sanchez's nice deep slant to Jerricho Cotchery, bringing applause from the fans, several interesting plays by WR David Clowney (one Sanchez overthrow of a sure TD, one Clowney drop, one nice low grab), a leaping Kerry Rhodes interception of Erik Ainge followed by a hard landing followed by Rhodes bouncing up a few seconds later and continuing to work, two strong Ainge-to-Huey Whittaker completions, and a 52-yard field goal to end practice and show that Jay Feely's groin is feeling A-OK. Also, RT Damien Woody, NT Kris Jenkins and CB Darrelle Revis worked with their first units.
The fans were very much a part of this practice — 2,614 showed up and ringed the two grass practice fields the Jets used today. Thursday's practice is the last of the summer that will open to fans, and the forecast is for even nicer weather (high of 82). Parking lots will open again at 10 a.m. for a practice that should start at 11:50 and until about 1:30.
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (36)Randy Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 5:19pm ET"Nice try sanchez got one lucky pass long yardage. that make everything look good .on stats I watched the game. He was ready to cry and run for So Cal"
Dan928 Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 5:32pm ET"Shouldn't Browning Nagle be on the list of rookie starters??"
Randy Lange Said:
"Dan928, Browning Nagle was selected in the second round of the 1991 NFL Draft. He didn't make his first start until the 1992 season opener at Atlanta."
Viveca Elworthy Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 5:54pm ET"Randy,To lead the Jets out of the tunnel...What a kick that would be! Of course the offer has my gender wrong. I'm a 69 year old grandma, a shade over 5 feet so I'll pass. Don't think I would instill fear in the opposition. Still GO REX, GO MARK!!! JETFAN FOREVER!! "
Anonymous Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 6:26pm ET" I just finished looking at the rookies and first-year QBs to start in their first pro seasons as Jets/Titans. What a mess! Other then Namath, the Jets have done a terrible job of assessing talent at the QB position. I'm a Jet fan for 45 years and my blood ran cold after I reviewed the list. KC is the better of the two, Sanchez is going to need a couple of years to make a difference."
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 7:11pm ET"Get your point, MikeMc, but none of your analysis held true for Flacco last year and few rated him as high as MS. Anonymous, I saw every TV'd Jet game Namath played ever and was at Shea for just about every home game. What I remember over 45 years is that after Joe, we never drafted anyone with skills like MS -- except maybe EA! -- nor we were as serious about starting anyone in his first year."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 7:23pm ET"Ok thank god its not Clemens now we need E-Ainge to move into 2 slot & hope M-S works out if not take it to E-A .. I believe he can't possibly do any worst then Clemens .. I agree with the lineup that reads M-S under center J-co 1& Clowney#2 Stuckey in the slot we need to get some1 to fill the other TE spot Were set in the backfield time to strap em up & go kick some butt "
scjoe Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 8:33pm ET"I have a very hard time believing this decision came from Rex alone. I believe it came from above. Same may be true with Gholston. Don't get me wrong. I hope both go to the pro bowl this year, but it is the politics that I have a problem with."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 8:38pm ET" I'd like to say again we should go get a Veteran QB to work with M-S & E-A on the intangibles get them acclimated to the position .. Clemens can't he hasn't been a started & never will .. I do like that idea of trading Gholston for a Reciever TE or a Veteran QB.. Maybe get a TE & Reciever or QB never know till you try .. "
Vince-Florida Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 9:33pm ET"Great article, Randy! I saw how the first two QB's were equal even though one of them has 4 years experience. MS can only improve from here on in. But in the WR department, we have hang on every waiver that the NY Giants do, so we can benefit from their knowing talent when they see it! To me, the QB dept. looks like this: MS, EA and that guy B. Smith that we have in the wrong job - WR! Go JETS!"
Ira Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 9:40pm ET"Randy, Wow a walk down memory lane. Now that all this QB talk is done its time to focus on their biggest needs that have not been answered since the spring. Punter, veteran WR and a veteran complete TE. Mr. T will be very busy these upcoming days for sure. Long range forecast for the Giants game is rain. I would not play Revis or KJ on a wet field. They rested this long no reason to risk it."
Jay Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 10:07pm ET"If they get Marshall then they have done everything they can to give this kid success. Marshall and Cotch at WR, Keller at TE, 3 strong RBs and the best line in the AFC. With Westhoff's special teams and a D that will be beastly, we are so close. Marshall is the key. Forget his troubles, he completes the offense. If the biggest debate is Clowney or Stuckey as the #3, thats an offense!"
the burn Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 11:13pm ET"I don't think Mike Jet is giving KC a fair chance, give him the chance to play behind a decent O line and i think he'd be fine. I couldn't agree more with his receiver set up. David Clowney is a major play maker and needs to be on the field for us this season. I feel the same way about Leon Washington, there's no way Thomas Jones is half the player that Leon is. TJ is way over rated."
jesse Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 11:30pm ET"So first Ryan doesn't even mention Ainge in his discussions about the QB position, and now one of the reporters for the official site doesn't? Ryan made up his mind months ago and has no interest in truly determining the best player, he just doesn't want to look stupid for trading up to draft MS. And now the reportage has no concern for accuracy or fairness. Because Ainge has the best stats."
RichW_DE Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 4:10am ET"I agree w/ Rex on this one.. Clemens just isn't that great, Despite Sanchez' inexperience which is REALLY going to be difficult to win with, Rex went with the better qb. The one thing that KC just doesn't have and can't learn b/c it's innate, is pocket awareness. He just doesn't see the pressure until it's too late, hence the all strip fumbles, tips, interceptions, turnovers. that's big."
poobah Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 4:13am ET"by ryan's account, we should have a top 3 defense. there's a lot of other talent on the team. don't think we need to do the 0-11 thing i read about for aikman. don't think this qualifies as a rebuilding year despite a rookie qb. maybe we can dream of 10-6? oh yeah, that's my annual dream since 69."
RichW_DE Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 4:27am ET"Randy, how did MS fare in his first start(s) at USC? I'm just wondering how long it might take for him to kinda 'get it' this season. MNF- he honestly looked nauseous before the anthem. It really showed too in the first qtr. But you can't understate how important it was that he got over it (eventually) and threw the td to keep the game tight going into the half. That's what impressed me most."
Randy Lange Said:
"RichW, in Mark Sanchez's first start for Southern Cal, as a sophomore in 2007, he completed 19 of 31 passes for 130 yards, a TD and 2 INTs in the Trojans' 20-13 home win over Arizona."
Ira Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 6:56am ET"MikeMc, Well you have them buried already. Well i disagree with you. Sure this is going to be tough. Even if they had an established QB the 1st four games are difficult. I say they are 2-2 after those first 4 games. The D will carry this team. They just need Sanchez to keep the mistakes to a minimum. I am more concerned about replacing Pace those games then Sanchez.. 4-3 fronts early on. GO JETS"
Howard Tish Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 7:52am ET"Dick Jamieson. He was the first Jet (Titan) I ever booed. I, and I'm sure there are other fans out there, are still looking for an unofficial depth chart. Any chance?"
Randy Lange Said:
"Howard, we just received the official unofficial depth chart this morning. The depth chart has been updated for the Giants game."
MikeMc Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:01am ET"Ira & Tom'64, maybe I'm phrasing it wrong, I don't have the team buried I think we can be good sans theQB. I need Sanchez to be a longterm success, & I think a few games on the sideline(maybe-4)would suit him best, Clemmens is a throw away so lets use him to make MS look good. This was why I was against the Favre thing(I was right) & the Mangini firing(I was wrong)constant change=rebuilding=no SB!"
Ira Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:07am ET"the burn, TJ overated? He is only 2nd behind LT in rushing yards for the last 4 years. I don't see how that is being overrated. And Leon is a completely different type of player than TJ is. Thats why they are a great pair of RB's to have."
MikeMc Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:08am ET"Jetfan'64Tom,I also don't like comparing one QB's success or failure to anothers.I agree Sanchez is the man I love him, its OK to tab him wk#1 but you can't pull the plug, ever! We as fans must endure some bad decisions as well as enjoy some flashes. Sanchez must never have to look over his shoulder, so he may be himself & grow. Ira, if he can just manage the game our D will carry us, can he?"
Ira Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:37am ET"Mike Mc, Not a knock on Kellen but he just didn't step up and outplay Sanchez in camp. Thats the whole story. If he did he would've won the job. And if Rex feels Sanchez gives them the best chance to win i don't want him on the sideline for the 1st 4 games watching. I want him out there playing, learning and winning. D, running the ball, ST's and manage the game will be the combo to win games."
Mike12 Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:44am ET"The offense is going to have its ups and downs this year. Either Sanchez of Clemens would probably have similar seasons. It's the defense that will decide if this is going to be a competitive season. I'm worried about not having a defensive end on the other side of Ellis. The last three years were suppose to be dominating defenses. A lot of questions marks Gholston, Stuckey, Leonhard,Sanchez?"
Shep Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:46am ET"Wow, interesting comments this morning. We have Sanchez already failing, TJ being overrated, and Clemens being our future. Are you sure you guys are watching the Jets? The ones in green and white in NJ? Sanchez isn't going to learn anything from watching Clemens other than how NOT to play in the pocket. TJ isn't as exciting to watch as Leon, but his numbers speak for themselves, and maybe..."
Shep Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 9:49am ET"cont'd: just maybe, our coaching staff with their decades of experience at the pro level may know just a little bit more about this game than we do. I know, it's hard to believe that we're all not coaching as much as we know, but there's a reason they make the big money and hold the clipboards. Here's a clever idea, let's trust our new coach and see how that goes. I think we'll be just fine."
Zartan Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 10:07am ET"the stats dont show that Sanchez threw for longer plays that moved the chains and is the reason he is starting. would any of you like 3-3 with 9yards or 1-3 with 20yards. you do the math."
Jet4life Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 11:54am ET"Yes sanchez is a rookie and yes he will make mistakes but there is no advantage to strarting kc because he is still making those same mistakes so you play the kid and hope for the best. What we should be talking about it the wr position. J-co and stuckey are solid in my eyes but PLEASE stop playing brad smith over clowney at least in the giants game. Give clowney a shot to run with the ones if he "
Jet4life Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 11:56am ET"continued: doesnt show up and make plays then you can alway throw smith back in but i just dont see much upside with smith other than the occasional reverse and his play on special teams he should be 4 at best on the depth chart at wr. "
Shep Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 12:39pm ET"Jet4life, I agree completely, and I think a lot of other fans do as well. I've seen Smith drop way too many key passes to have confidence in him as a #2. (see several end zone drops). Clowney has the confidence, the speed, and the hands to be a legit #2. I'm sitting here waiting for the other shoe to drop in the KC situation. No way we keep him around another year. And VG? Same thing. "
Frankie Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 12:59pm ET"Shep - well said. TJ being overrated is the dumbest thing I heard all week. he is a beast. Rex knows what he is doing and MS will give us the best chance to win. Yes EA looked good in pre-season with the 3's, thats not saying to much. It will all come together. remember we have a new coach and some new faces starting. I would take Sanchez over KC, Favre, EA, and No Arm Pennington any day! JETS!"
Sam Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 4:19pm ET"Sanchez has to learn to NOT STARE down his WRs and look OFF the DBs. Part of the reason Sanchez got picked off against the Ravens was because Sanchez was Staring down the WRs."
Row Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 7:17pm ET"Anyone who knows anything about football and isn't trying to market the NFL or the Jets knows MS isn't ready. The guy botched snaps, forgot how to hand the ball off, throws an undefended pick six, had delay of games calls. This whole decision undermines Rex. He couldn't possibly have watched the tape and then made the decision that Sanchez = better chance to win. That's ridiculous!"
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 11:03pm ET"Shep, to me you just revealed the emperor's new clothes: Who ever thought Smith has any natural gift for WR? I sure don't see it yet. Frankie, I'm with ya on MS vs. them other QBs. Row, I think this is a big discussion over a few margaritas. I had the same reaction re Rex's "chance to win" stuff. But I also knew he never had any reason to go out on a limb for KC unless KC just looked unstoppable."
Anonymous Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 11:42pm ET"To chime in on the MS topic, i have to agree with many others out there, KC never out played him and MS has a much greater upside. KC has been in the league for 4 years now and isn't any better then MS. So clearly starting MS is better for the team in the long run. By naming MS the starter he will get much more playing time this week and a chance to build up chemistry with the very young wr's."
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MikeMc Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 4:46pm ET"Well Frank its going to be a rough start of the season for Sanchez and the fans. I think this was a terrible move, not that Clemmens is special, just you want the rookie coming off the bench after KC fails & if KC doesn't fail HOORAY. So where do you go when Sanchez struggles spicer?You'll ruin the kid, you have to ride him all year regardless of his ineptitude.Welcome back boys & buckle up!!"
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