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08/25 — For the second consecutive week, Kellen Clemens got off to rough start before finishing on a high note.
On a Monday night when Mark Sanchez got his first NFL career start, Clemens played the role of No. 2 quarterback in the Jets' 24-23 loss in Baltimore. After Sanchez had his bell rung in the second quarter, Clemens finished the final 2:34 of the opening half and watched the Ravens’ lead grow from seven points to a 14-point cushion.
With the Jets facing second-and-9 at their 12 and just seconds left on the game clock, Clemens, who was victimized by an early strip-sack last week against the Rams, threw an ill-advised pass that was intercepted by Ravens LB Jameel McClain and returned 16 yards for a touchdown.
“The interception there to finish the first half was disappointing. It really gave the momentum back to them,” Clemens said. “We had a little miscommunication with some of the routes — evidently Brad Smith and Leon Washington collided. I need to do a better job of making sure the ball gets to the dirt so we can get to third down.”
It was the second "pick-six" of the first half for the Ravens as Sanchez was intercepted by 6’4”, 345-pound Haloti Ngata on the game’s second play from scrimmage. Benefiting from a Ray Lewis pressure, Ngata strolled 25 yards into the end zone for a quick B-More lead.
“Did I expect Mark Sanchez or Kellen Clemens to go out here and light it up against this defense? No,” said Jets head coach Rex Ryan. “I knew it would be tough.”
Down, 21-7, to start the second half, Clemens capitalized on a special teams takeaway. Two plays after reserve LB Marques Murrell recovered a Lardarius Webb fumble on the kickoff return, Clemens got a favorable matchup on the outside with speedster David Clowney against an overmatched corner.
“They were playing man and coming after us and David obviously has some advantages out there when it comes to speed,” KC said. “So I just threw the ball out and let 'em go get it. And he did a great job as he has been all preseason of making a play for us.”
Then after an interception by Marquice Cole, it looked like Clemens was going to have the Jets tied in no time. The fourth-year pro threw on the money to Brad Smith, but Smith simply dropped the ball in the end zone. That drive would end up at the Ravens’ 2-yard line before Parker Douglass nailed a 20-yard chippy to get the Green & White back to within four points at 21-17.
“The thing that I hope that shows up is the way I led the guys particularly after the interception,” Clemens said. “It was not in our favor and to be able to regroup and put some positive drives together, positive decisions should show up. There were a couple of throwaways, a couple of checks that I made during the course of the game.”
The Jets wasted a glorious opportunity to take the lead on Clemens’ final possession. Starting a drive at the home team’s 40, the visitors moved just 7 yards in four plays. In roughly a quarter of action, Clemens finished 5-of-10 for 60 yards with one TD and one INT.
“There were a lot of positives,” he said. “Unfortunately, I’d like to say that we won the game, but we gave them 14 points and that’s tough to overcome.”
So where do we go from here in this QB competition?
“We’ll evaluate it. We’ll look at the tape,” Ryan said. “All the things we’ve seen through training camp as of right now, this moment, I’m not ready to make that decision yet at this time.”
If you studied the stats, Clemens’ numbers looked very similar to Sanchez’s. The rookie finished 3-of-8 for 43 yards with one TD and one INT.
“I think it would be good to get it resolved, and the sooner the better. But that’s not up to me,” said WR Jerricho Cotchery. “Once we figure out who our quarterback is going to be, we need to get to work together and establish some chemistry. Until then, we just need to keep working as an offense. Whoever it is, we need to get together and play ball. I know we have the potential to be really good as an offense. We just need to jell.”
If Ryan elected to go for a point after late in the fourth quarter instead of opting for the two-point try, the Jets and the Ravens most likely would have been tied after 60 minutes of play. But the only tie on this night might have been the play of the quarterbacks.
“If anybody moved ahead or anything like that," J-Co said, "I really don’t know."
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (101)jetsdad5 Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:17am ET"why is rex wasting time with this QB thing when we all know that sanchez will start week one rex needs to give mark the job allready so he can start working with the ones and start getting some chemistry going with the wide outs sanchez is going to need a lot of help and the best thing for the starting QB is two have chemistry with the recievers and the best way to do that is giving mark his reps"
Jimmy Cheese Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 5:58am ET"Lot's and lot's of talk from this team... but the Ravens proved the Jets can't walk... let alone throw. Running, yes, but obviously we're going to be a 1 dimensional team this year. Sanchez looked lost, confused and scared, Clemens was marginal against their Two's. Big hopes for the Rookie, the AFC East is going to be real tough this year. Hope we didn't draft another Side-Line-art from USC."
ddh Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:39am ET"hard to judge mark, he hasn't had the game time, need to see an entire half at least, one good drive a game wont cut it. KCs slow starts worry me, he doesn't come out with strength and confidence, I couldn't believe brad smith dropped that ball !! Clowny shined once again !"
Troy Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 7:03am ET"K.C . got to get the nod early, then make the transition around the by week unless KC is playing great ,Marks not ready ,disappointed in the D for turning Flacco into Elway ,I know we had no Revis or Jenkins but they seemed a step or two slow ,not happy at all from what I saw other than Leon showing he's still the best offensive player we Have."
uncle joe Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 7:08am ET"If Clemens starts,everytime something remotely goes wrong the fans will be all over him.We did it to Chad so Clemens has a snowball's chance.Start the Rookie,get the growing pains out and open the new stadium with a full season under his belt."
uncle joe Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 7:12am ET"While the QB sitiation is unclear,one thing is CRYSTAL CLEAR! We have the best player in the league,who wants to stay here but just wants fair market value.PAY LEON WASHINGTON a little more than he's asking just because he deserves it!........Cut Gholston and give his contract to Washington!"
uncle joe Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 7:28am ET"1,if Revis played Coleman wouldn't give up the bomb & our D holds them to 3 points 2,If Wesserman can figure out when he is supposed to be on the field he will fill in for Pace 3,HitMan Harris is the next best LB in the game 4,Ainge will be highly sought after if he ever hits FA & 5,WHO CAN COVER THE CLOWNEY?"
80 Fan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 7:45am ET"I'm not too concerned with the QB's at this point.As bad as Sanchez looked, he still has great potential. 'm very concerned with our defense.Only Revis and Jenks were missing & the defense got schooled by the Ravens.Harris & Pace looked great as always.Lowery & Coleman were obviously a target and did not hold up well.Scott, the "vet" missed key tackles. I hate to say it, but Gholston may be a bust"
jerbo Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:19am ET"I'm not sure what everyone was expecting to see from Sanchez in his first real playing time of his career, against a very solid and determined D... But I think he'd have to be ahead of KC at this point. KC has a lack of pocket awareness and he should really be much farther ahead of MS, being a 4 yr vet for us. But in both their defense lets not forget neither had the full O-line there..."
Reality Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:23am ET"Clemens clearly won the QB competition in Baltimore - any other interpretation is false. Sanchez: 1 INT, 1 muff handoff, 2 delay games, 1 TD and a look of confusion. Clemens: 1 INT, 1 TD, 1 dropped TD. Please be realistic and let's start w/ Clemens - you owe it to the vets."
Ira Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:25am ET"EA, Not shocked at all about how Sanchez played. Man the Ravens' D might be the best in the NFL. I was happy about how he didn't totally come apart and he threw that TD to Leon. Kellen's INT was a rookie mistake that he shouldn't be making at this time of his career. Leon was outstanding. Too bad Greene got banged up. I would have liked to see more of him.Westerman was active."
Ira Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:29am ET"And both QB's did play even and the tie goes to Sanchez. He is expected to make rookie mistakes but is overall ability will develope. I can't understand why Pace played well into the 3rd QT. With no clear replacement for Pace i thin kthe Jets will be playing a lot of 4-3 looks for the 1st 4 games of the year. I also expect a WR tp be added befreo the Giants game. D played well. GO JETS!!!!"
Shep Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:33am ET"I really do hate stating the obvious, but Leon needs to get paid, and Clowney needs to be our #2. How many more deep TD's does this guy have to catch before we name him our guy? And if Leon Washington isn't the most electric player in the NFL, I'll kiss your you know what. That whole drive was Leon. The runs, the catch, everything. PAY THE MAN and let's start game planning for the Giants."
Bruce Crabtree Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:41am ET"Great look at the team last night. Defense was sharp and the O Line was tough. Not as impressed with Sanchez as I thought I'd be or expected to be. Erik Ainge looked best of the three. Very confident, stayed in the pocket, moved out when needed, and moved the ball. More poised then either Sanchez or Clemens."
Ira Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:49am ET"Another bright spot was Lowery's strip of the ball that Murrell recovered. Lowery has that takeaway knack."
JetsFTW Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:56am ET"I think the way Sanchez bounced back after being baptized by one of the most violent defenses earned him this spot. Why wasn't clowney playing with sanchez? I kept seeing a not so serious brad smith lined up at number 2 most of the time."
agonzalez@allbrite.net Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:15am ET"well not the start you want to see M.S looked very scared at first but pulled it together K.C started out poor also hung in there. our O-LINE has to better protect them period! we need to see the starting 0-LINE next week play NY and VG is no good he is lost in the millions he got over paid.Dplayed good not great we need to play with more heart. too much talking 0-2 not enough protecting lets go."
supercooljetfan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:48am ET"our o-line cant pass block for nothing even last year farve was getting sacked alot...i knew leon was good but it looks like he is now a real runningback not just a screen pass target and kick off returner PAY DA MAN!!!!!!"
Ira Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:55am ET"Leon's going to get his deal sooner or later. He was the best player on the field last night like always. He would've also had a KO returned for a TD if he hadn't lost his balance at midfield. Give Schotty credit for using Leon more in the running game against a team as stout and fast as the ravens. Leon is worth his weight in gold."
Anonymous Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:56am ET"I agree Lowery strip was good, but he let a few big pass plays go by him. On a brighter note I loved how both QBs bounced back after throwing interceptions on their first pass attempts."
hoss Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:03am ET"With KC and MS playing about equal, and KC having the amount of pro experience he does, and MS having 16 games played since high school, I cannot see the Jets making any other decision than giving the starting job to MS. While he might not have truly earned it, KC should have done a lot better with his time with the Jets, and MS's celing is a lot higher. Go Jets..."
JETS 4LIFE Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:04am ET"I also liked Ainge he looks like he can get it done sadly for KC it may be 4 years too long,woodhead had some big plays but can he get it done against 1st string linemen he looks small out there, hopefully we get every one healthy and playing together these next 2 games, it is important we name the starter and move foward as a unit. "
Pranit Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:10am ET"Clearly, Gholston is a bust -- if he proves me wrong i'll be the happiest person but those "worst" fears seem to be coming true (someone disagree tell me to shut up). EA, how long do the jets hang on to him or rather what are the financial ramifications if they cut him say yr 3 into the contract? ..i;d say sign a undrafted rookie; gholston looks lost even on special teams. $10 million..big ouch "
Gary C Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:14am ET"just a few observations. washington is a stud, Devito,Ropati,Green and Pouha give jets great depth,wide receiver is looking more unsure as camp goes along and where is depth at tight end, also offensive line improved from last week.even brock christopher looked good running."
Wayne Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:15am ET"Eric, a tie goes to the runner and Sanchez is the runner in this case. Ryan has alot of tape on Clemens if he wants to see what he'd be getting. He many know the offense but he consistently makes bad decisions & at this poing we need to let the rookie take the reigns. He's going to make mistakes but I'll live with that knowing he will learn. Clemens hasn't learned yet so you get the picture."
Damone Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:19am ET"I thought botH QB's looked bad but the O-line was bad with the blocking!V.G is not making sacks BUT he is causing problems in the back field for other teams making it easier for our guys to get in...But he's too inconsistent!"
JohnD Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:21am ET"For the second week, the QB with the big boy pants - Erik Ainge. He's a year older than Sanchez but he's played in 3 times as many games and it shows. Did you see that 50 yd shot to the corner. Excuse me, did you see that 50 yd drop in the corner."
russ Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:42am ET"I liked it!!! He made the mistakes he was supposed to make against a good team and he came out a wiser player...Jets with new quarterback will struggle early in season but will finish strong...the next five years should be very strong for our team....well done..."
#1 Paki Jets Fan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:48am ET"Is it just me or did Jim Leonard look kind of confused in an offense that he has known and played in for over a year? He better step up or losing Elam will hurt. I understand that stats wise KC had a better game then MS, but there is a big difference in having 4 years under the same system and being a rookie with all this pressure on you. I say name MS your starting QB Rex. "
JettDogg Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:50am ET", Both QBs look about the same, Sanchez will definitely start, they pay him too much not too. The best player(as usual) on the field last night was Leon Washington, they have to have him on the field every down.The Jets 2 best offensive players are Jones and Washington, both of them have to touch the ball alot. Running the ball is the key to everything. Keller has to be used much more also."
Frank Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:55am ET"Lets not sugar coat anything Sanchez was a disaster and if it wasn't for Leon and the Ravens 2's Sanchez would have been a total disaster. Leon is the best player on the Jets pay him already. As for Sanchez he was awful pocket pressence and mechanics were awful let alone the fumble and the 2 delay of games. He needs to send Ray Lewis an early Christmas gift. This will be an ugly year."
Frank Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:04am ET"Its time to cut ties with B Smith he is awful he dropped a beautiful Clemens pass in the end zone and his route running is not good he can't separate. Its amazing how Clemens is always the victim of big dropped passes. I would love to see Ainge play with the one's and two's he looked the most comfortable out there. Time for Ryan to keep his mouth shut and concentrate on getting the team prepared."
mike Love Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:06am ET"Sanchez would probably end up starting, but it would be nice to see him sit for a year. do some film study and just evaluate for a year. "
Larry Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:08am ET"Please tell me if it is just me, but, I know of two players that we probably need to cut: Wright and Gholston. One of them keeps dropping key throws and the other can't seem to rush the passer. Gholston starting the first game scares me that we will not be able to pressure. Kudos to Leon Washington and Clowney!!! Who can cover the clown???"
Frank Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:10am ET"By the way there was no "tie" in the QB play. Forget stats Clemens played better than Sanchez period end of story. Leon single handedly saved Sanchez on the TD drive with 2 key third and long runs and the the TD catch vs. the Ravens two's."
Bucks County Jeff Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:13am ET"Sanchez is not ready. People forget that Drew Brees sat behind Flutie and was an initial bust. The Chargers sat Rivers in favor of Brees and the stars all alligned. Clemens probably is not Brees but he deserves one last shot (and at least he knows the offense). Give Sanchez time to develop. "
DBNJ Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:14am ET"TAKE IT EASY PEOPLE.....RELAX....ITS JUST THE PRE SEASON...THE JETS HAVE A QUALITY COACHING STAFF ...3 GOOD QB'S ...AND ALOT OF WEAPONS...NOT TO MENTION A STOUT -D....SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE SEASON 11-5 "
Anthony Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:17am ET"I think Sanchez needed that start he needed to get that hit to realize he is in the nfl now. He did well bouncing back and to me that is what counts that shows he had the fear at first and put it aside. As for the O-line without the starters was kind of scary. And as where is Gholston. We are in trouble if he is going to start and he doesn't show up."
Troy Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:34am ET"We need another reciever to go along with Cotch and Clowney ,hel even Cotch so far doesn't look right maybe it Sanchez not finding him but you haven't eve heard his name from camp practices ,Im with Ira ,i think there is someone else here by this weeks game with the giants dont know if its going to be Marshall ,but a bigger veteran presence . another note VG WHERE ARE YOU MAN ,ITS TIME TO SHOW!!"
Tommy Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:36am ET"The D will be fine. Revis would not have gotten burnt on that bomb taking 7 off the board. Kris Jenkins makes this D a whole new animal. When he's in Scott and Harris are free to roam and crush people. Its gonna be fun to watch. "
Hogan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:37am ET"Overreaction from Jet fans as per normal. The D did well against run and fixed problem with takling. Almost every pass was against Revis' backups(Lowery). Sanchez will learn but KC should start first 4 games. WHY IS CLOWNEY NOT PLAYING WITH THE ONES. He has clearly shown to be the # 2. "
JetsFan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:37am ET"It's obvious Sanchez is the starter. The offense needs to be a lot more organized for the regular season. The receiver situation doesn't look too good. Leon Washington is an amazing player but cannot be expected to be the only player to contribute to a touchdown drive like he did last night. If it wasn't for Leon Washington there would have been no touchdown. Nobody else did a thing on that drive."
Duaine Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:51am ET"We need to sign a vet. wide receiver.Also the D looks like its comming along,the pass coverage needs to get better.2 many drops passes which could hav been TD's. VG I must agree is a bust and thats why these rookies comming out of college should hav a salary cap. They r been paid huge $$ b4 they show their potential. I am very nervous about this season already :-( "
scjoe Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:53am ET"I wouldn't want to be in Ryans shoes right now. Fact is, neither of the two QBs stepped up, any decision right now would be a political one. I thought the WR group in general played poorly, but the running game looked better against Balt then it did against ST. Louis, that is encouraging. Also, the 2s and 3s looked better this week then last. Last, give Leon his raise! He is a player!"
scjoe Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 11:59am ET"I thought Clowney was the one bright spots among the WRs. I was not surprised to see him not out there on the next series after that stupid penalty though. I sure hope this guy can learn to reign it in after a TD catch, because I believe he will be catching a lot of them this season. I also thought Pitoitua made his presence felt out there."
alex mendez Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:09pm ET"i understand as a rookie seeing a veteran ray lewis coming for is is pretty scary. just think of this.joe namath started off the same and became one of the best quarterbacks in nfl history, if i was rex ryan i would give sanchez a chance..."
roger Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:11pm ET"all i ask is, Gholston, can you get 1 measley sack against a second team offensive line? It's getting harder and harder to stand behind this guy, if you can't use your speed and strength then it's time to leave the team and just become the bust you always were."
AOKP Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:11pm ET"we cant cut gholston, i feel like if we do he wud be great somewhere else, we just need to keep working with him, it takes a while for those kind of players to get whats going on. start sanchez, blitz him to death in practice, so that he gets use to it, hopefully he learned his lesson that our defense is not ravens defense, and that he needs to be smarter, and more poise....O Line needs to step up"
scjoe Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:11pm ET"I hear some of you calling for Ainge. But let's not forget he has NEVER played against any ones first string defense. If he had started last night I do believe we would have seen the same results as we did. So, let's let him grow along with Sanchez, can't really judge him playing against the 2s and 3s."
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:19pm ET"Bruce, I see it like you do on EA. It's unbelievable how much more poised he is than MS or KC, how smoothly he steps up in or out of the pocket as needed. KC looks like the rookie on those levels by comparison. And EA's throws make MS's look like, well, the work of a college QB. I'm not saying MS and KC can't step it up, but somebody really screwed up by keeping EA in mothballs all this time."
Realize it Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:28pm ET"Sanchez should start and Clowney should be your #2 WR Stuckey will be great in the slot and more productive. It will also give the O the deep threat that it needs. The D is going to need a great O for the first 4 games with players out... Get it together quickly!!!!1"
TMac Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:35pm ET"Ainge didn't play against Ray Lewis or Ngala, but he did make other threes look like threes. He is without question the best third string QB in the league. I see the word poise a lot. Let's add confidence, leadership, and a swagger that says get the job done. What I saw from MS and KC was desperation to make a big play,they're too short, can't see, and interceptions resulted. Too many drops by WR"
randy Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:39pm ET"If you BOZO's had even a clue you would Pray that Kellen starts.Im praying you unfaithfull fans get him traded. Nothing mentioned about the fact Mr Sanchez had 2 picks that would have been touchdowns accept one was lost kind of like Kellen's seocnd touchdaown pass.Oh and need I remind you 3 of 8 with 2 times the amount of playing time.Think about it"
Rob from New Jersey Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:40pm ET"get real. Clemens is the logical choice. For real game situations, he has done well with limited play. Interesting how they coddled the rookie...where we threw KC to an even stronger Ravens in 07 with NO Jet o line, and never made excuses. They are starry eyed over Sanchez....and will start him though not SMART at all. "
Mike Serrano Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:54pm ET"I do not see Vernon Gholston making the team this year. In Ravens game he was a no show with zero tackes and one assist. Last week in Rams game, he underwhelmed us with his presence. Not all first round selections make it. Just look at Heath Schuler and Ryan Leaf. Jets need to cut their losses with Gholston and move on. Plus, Jamal Westerman looks good for a rookie."
Mark Basham Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:56pm ET"One can argue that it was good for Sanchez to face a top 5 NFL defense (and the Ravens were playing like it was the real deal in that first quarter) in a preseason game where it doesn't really count so that he will be less likely to make the same types of mistakes later. I don't see the downside to naming MS to start, but there is loads of upside. KC is as about as good as he'll get, so no upside."
eddie and the jets Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 1:00pm ET"i liked the overall product last nite..however, once again shotty's play calling had no rythym..first 2 series we ran the ball well, the stopped running, then the empty backfield with the rookie was a disaster...run the ball to set up the pass shotty, its that simple!...Dfence looked like a whole new group and very fast..wait til Jenks and Revis get back...SHOTTY GET A CLUE, DONT RUIN THE KID!"
LongTimeSince69 Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 1:04pm ET"Hopefully people noticed we would have been trounced without Leon Washington. Let's take care of business please. Sign him and let him know how valuable he is. He's our MVP and we can't come to terms with him? Let it go on too long and he'll want to leave the first chance he gets. That's just dumb. "
Gil Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 1:34pm ET"This is my first time in awhile in here, but fellas come on if we would have won then it would have been great going, truly Leon is a beast and clowney is a monster the D was alright I mean Lowery is not Revis but He did get a strip unlike some people the Jets will get it together Gholston is a 100% bust period end of story unless he has a 3 sack game and 100 tackles this season."
Frankie Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 1:34pm ET"Clowney - if he can stay healthy he is our #2. Gholston - Dud, get rid of him. Leon - Pay the man already. SERIOUSLY. MS - he is a rookie against the best D. he gets a pass. KC-this was his chance to shine. come into the game and show us u deserve it after 4 years. NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL. I say we give the ball to EA and lets see what he can do. DEFENSE- like the blitzing, but our secondary????"
irish jet Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 1:42pm ET" I GOTTA SAY ONE THING,VERNON GHOLSTON IS AWFUL,HE CAN'TTACKLE,HE CAN'T EVEN RUN DOWN A SLOW QUARTERBACK,HE IS A BUST. TIME TO GIVE WESTERMAN,AND ALL THE OTHER OLB'S A CHANCE. REX HAS TO GIVE GHOLSTON A CHANCE TO START BECAUSE OF HIS SALARY. IT GOES TO SHOW YOU DOING THE MOST BENCH REPS AT THE PRE DRAFT COMBINE,MEANS NOTHING. I CANNOT SEE HIM AS AN EFFECTIVE STARTER IN ANY WAY,HE GETS DOMINATED"
Ray Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 2:17pm ET"Clearly Ainge is this years Ratliff. Tears up the threes so everyone wants to make him the starter. You guys would look alot more poised out there without Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and the rest of the ones out there."
CMP Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 2:36pm ET"Before you lable VG a bust just remember Terrell suggs was a bust before he got to B-more and is now a pro bowler, you've got to give some time. as far as qb's look at what they were up against a B-more D trying to make a statement."
the real t.o. Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:07pm ET"leon must be signed; gholston must be cut; MS is gonna start...though i wish he could sit and develop a lil more cuz he dont have enough experience. it showed last night. clowney should be a #2 and trade something for a bona fide #1 cuz our WRs were not getting open at all....AND BTW, WHERE WAS THE PASS PROTECTION LAST NIGHT???????!!!!!! the o line and our secondary better improve or we're toast"
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:08pm ET"MS looked shaky and I'm not surprised, he's a rookie. But any claims to KC playing all that well now or before are ludicrous. The guy moves like he doesn't know what a pocket is and there's nothing on most of his passes. Ray, I acknowledged that EA's playing against the backups but he looks like the most pro QB we got and the O actually looks cohesive under him. He deserves a game with the ones."
Alan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:20pm ET"David Clowney will without a doubt be the number 2 or 3 wide reciever on this team. I recently found out, hes The cousin of the star player at my High School"
Ira Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:26pm ET"Lets all just wait and see how things go vs the Giants this week before we start to want players cut. Everybody knows what the Jets need are right now. Lets see if they can answer some of them within the next two weeks. I remember 92 when the Jets went 5-0 in the preseason and look what that got them. Lets wait until after the 1st 4 games to start to come to conclusions. GO JETS!!!!"
JP Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:39pm ET"Some say KC should be the starter, but I liked the way Sanchez bounced back - he could have folded, but held in. I want to see how he starts against the G-men (another tough D). LW - give the man a contract - he is money and a player period. I would like to see Clowney as at least 2 with Stuckey - good deep threat. But we need another WR - Cotchery and BS don't seem to get open. D-very good."
Sam Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:47pm ET"I am wondering if SANCHEZ can take a HIT? SANCHEZ looks a little to small to take a real QB hit. And REX RYAN should be a little scared about all that BIG TALK about beating NE and other teams. SANCHEZ and CLEMENS looked like ROOKIES. NE and the rest of the NFL will have a field day PICKING SANCHEZ off. And big talk RYAN, will will look STUPID!"
Anthony Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:22pm ET"I think we need to pick up Dwayne Bowe from the Chiefs he wants out of Kansas city and is a solid reciever who can help us out greatly. As for Sanchez he needs this experience its PRESEASON. I know we want him to be like a Peyton Manning right now but pretty much every GOOD QB has started off with a bad season and then boom. THe Mannings, Favre, Elway, it goes on and on. All played ehh at first"
Jared Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:30pm ET"We need a WR Clowney can only run streaks, nothing else, thats not what u want out of a #2. EA has looked good but he has only played 3rd stringers,lets not annoint him yet,plus with MS's salary,hes not getting time with the 1's,maybe 2's if KC is traded but not likely til next yr. They should start KC,first 4 games are brutal go with experience and if BS catches that ball his numbers are better"
OriginalJetFan Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:32pm ET" Doom sayers-- Sanchez will be fine, after a dismal start he came back and ran a long drive and ended it with a TD pass, he'll be fine. D had two key starters out , but still only gave up 10 points. Will this Jet team win the Superbowl...not this year, but soon if they stay the course and DON'T PANIC like a lot of you do.Clowney and Cotchery at wide, Stuckey in the slot, Keller at TE will work."
MikeMc Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:35pm ET"So they say if you have 2 QB's, you have no QB's. So what do we have because I saw no QB's on Mon. does this mean we have negative 2 QB's?"
jake Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:47pm ET"any word on how long practice will be wed and thurs?"
Randy Lange Said:
"jake, practices are set to begin at 11:50 a.m. and run 1 hour, 40 minutes or so both days."
Big O Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:50pm ET"I have one thing to say PAY LEON WASHINGTON WHAT YOU OWE HIM!!!!!! I REPEAT PAY LEON WASHINGTON WHAT YOU OWE HIM, A lot of the time I think we shoot ourselves in the foot and then wonder why we cant get to the playoffs or when a ring. Do Woody and Tanny know what is happening, we cant afford to lose Leon, we lost Chris Baker and he is going to be our worst nightmare, we lost Eric Barton, no more"
Derrick Shirland Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:14pm ET"Jet fans, please relax. No QB's. Dude, fall back. Sanchez went up against the #1 DEFENSE in the league. This Dfnse destroys vetern QB's. Now KC should be cut. 4 yrs in the system and you can't beat a 2nd unit. it is time for you to go."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:17pm ET"Gotta love the guys who make excuse after excuse & yet more excuses for Clemens I'm guessing the same guys who were for the likes of Ken O'Brien R-Todd B- Nagel Matt Robinson I can go on if you like .. He has no movement & plays like his cleats are made of cement..EA is twice the QB as Clemens maybe in his golden years he will improve but for now it isn't working 4 years & still waiting for what "
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:26pm ET"Cont. Vernon Gholston another player not worth his chips how many plays not even big plays has he made in the time he's been here ?. May I remind you we picked him 6th NE picked there L-backer 7th he won Defensive rookie of the year.. Just proves 1 thing its about will Heart & desire not so called talent & so far only talent he has shown me is to get a good contract without earning it "
Frank Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:45pm ET"Ah...yes...the ever pensive and pithy Mikey Mc I do believe our boy Drew (BTW has there been a Drew sighting? that fair weather Jet fan) could probably play better QB than we saw last night so if addition by subtraction is the method by which we choose our next QB so be it."
Row Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 7:16pm ET"I really feel Clemens won the battle this time. He went out throwing accurate and had several bad drops, one for a TD. Sanchez looked as scared as I've seen any QB in the NFL, almost handed the ball to no one. Kellen should start, end of story. Ya, he tried to make a play when he could have thrown it away, but at least he was getting hit when he threw his pick. I want #11 under center for the Jets"
PAJETSFAN Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:31pm ET"Cothcery hit the nail on the head. Pick a QB and give him reps so they can use the last 2 games for chemistry. Sanchez is playing as well as Clemens. It took Clemens 4 yrs to get here. Man up, put the kid in and let the chips fall where they may. They both played better than Pennington vs the Ravens."
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:17pm ET"Like these cooler-heads-will-prevail posts but Mike Jet Vet's is my fave, telling it like it is on KC, at least so far this year. I don't recall him being so hesitant and reckless the year he started, he looks years behind EA. And I don't put much stock in the "2 QBs = No QBs" thing. It wouldn't hurt MS his first few years to have a good QB battling him, and KC doesn't look like the guy to do it."
Jetsfan263 Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 12:15am ET"Clemens should get the start week 1, he looked a lot more comfortable than Sanchez. Sanchez would be ill prepared for a starter, the kid played scared because of all the different fronts the Ravens gave him. Even his TD pass was outside the pocket wen he was running scared, luckily he saw that Leon burned the LB. I say Sanchez sits at least for the first couple games to learn more. "
J_Rod_ Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 12:29am ET"Think Sanchez maintained his composure and didn't fold under the relentless Baltimore D. That's good to see he continued to battle no matter the obstacles early on in the game. Clemens had some good reps as well. Encouraged to see his play. Clowney helped him a lot with those deep passes. Would love to see more of Sanchez to Clowney in upcoming preseason games."
chad Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 12:56am ET"All this hype about Sanchez/Clemens QB battle, but look at Ainge...he is clearly out playing them. Yeah he is playing against 3rd/4th string, but also is playing with 3rd/4th stringers. Can't blame him for his WR dropping his passes, looks more poised in the pocket. I believe Ainge is a hidden gem and should at least be in the mix for the starting job. Rex let him get a crack with the 1st unit."
Vincent Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 1:52am ET"SANCHEZ costs many-many millions, so Clemens is going to have to play much, much better to force Sanchez to hold a clipboard. GHOLSTON needs to step up now, or his nfl career may come to quick end - he's better, but just not 1st string material. JETS need a tall & fast wr. SANCHEZ needs to learn how to dive on a lose ball & not pick it up like a busted egg, or he is heading to hospital often."
Kevin Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:21am ET"don't forget BS had an interference called on a nice throw by MS as well you all keep talking about his dropped TD for KC but what about his penalty that would have kept a drive going? and MS and LW had a bad handoff MS had it at LW's stomach it just wasn't secured right it happens to every QB MS made rookie mistakes KC made rookie mistakes big difference is one is a real rookie one been here 4 yr"
Ray Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:51am ET"'64 Tom, when are they going to have time to let Ainge play with the ones? Next game the regular season starter should get to work more than half the game. There is no way Ainge is going to be named the starter this year. The last game against Philly the starters will play one series, two at the most. They are not going to make this a three horse race at this point, it's too late for that."
Ira Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 7:02am ET"After running through the tape of the game yes Kellen did show more composure but his costly INT sealed his fate. Sanchez could have really tanked but the way he got himself together really showed me a lot about this kid. He will be just fine. He will have growing pains just like any other rookie QB. Even flacco had a rocky start last season. Sanchez could be named the starter today. GO JETS!!!!"
Gary C Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 8:49am ET"Before we annoint Clowney can we see him run the dig route and take a hit over the middle the way Coles did.And why the jets have not brought in Matt Jones for a look see is beyond me."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 10:13am ET"I believe what we need even more importantly then a receiver or TE is a experienced QB as insurance in case M-S needs more time which is likely.. Even school M-S into the position .. Clemens has never been a starter he really doesn't qualify in my opinion.. With what I think is going to be a good Defence all we need is a good Play action ball control QB nothing Great but nothing less GO JETS "
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 12:19pm ET"Yeah, I know, Ray, I'm just subbing for Ranger 46. No, seriously, I know there's no way EA gets any shot this year or probably any year unless MS bombs. I see they've just named MS the starter. It's just amazing how the ball bounces, though. If you didn't have the politics of MS's contract and the new stadium, I think most coaches would give EA a shot with the ones. Anyway, keep him and trade KC."
Row Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 2:30pm ET"Eric Ainge, while poised, couldn't convert on 3rd down. I would like to have his numbers on 3rd down, probably not good. We lost a game we should have won. There was no competition for the starting job, it was all a joke. I would rather talk about something else. Just remember I was one of the guys who said Sanchez would flop. Clemens never had a chance. "
Ray Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:12pm ET"Ok Tom, but if your going to fill in for Ranger46 you have to throw out alot of 6'4"s and TALL QB and things like that!! BTW where is Ranger? Now that EA is getting all this love he's nowhere to be heard!"
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:32pm ET"Row, I know that here-comes-trouble Jet fan feeling, I've had it since around the 4th quarter of the Jets' playoff loss to the Chiefs in '69. But KC just didn't give them a reason to sit MS, no matter how green he is. As for EA, like I said I'm not looking at stats or points. I'm looking at his footwork, the way he hands off or fakes, and simply how damn well he throws, in the pocket or running. "
Row Said:
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 6:30pm ET"Ya, me too.. When we blew a 10-0 lead at half to Denver to lose the AFC championship.. (believe it was 1999)"
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 1:55am ET"Yeah, Row, that Denver game was a killer, showing what my dad, R.I.P. but cool with God for buying season seats in '64, and I said since about '69: The Jets blow scoring chances and are up, say, 10-0 at the half when they should be up 24-0, and then you know the other team's gonna overtake 'em in the 2nd half. Ray, I'll ask the wannabe actors out here in L.A, to help me get Ranger's act down pat."
Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Thu, August 27, 2009 - 2:27am ET"My dad's also up there with the good guys for flying in WWII and taking out Nazis, then getting shot down and fighting his way back home with broken bones in his back. But he never begged off throwing the football with me. Any guts I got re football or anything else, I got from him. That fan in FL can see his flight log in the Punta Gorda museum -- but don't post his name, he hated the hero stuff."
ITS TIME Said:
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 4:48am ET"wake up clemens has 4 yrs yes were they consecutive or was he cleaning up the mess that was left by other worthless QB's He takes the beating from the field and you the fans and still has the class to be a team player. Wow im ashamed of you jets fans. KC will be cleaning up after MS and that is the bottom line in this big picture"
TMac Said:
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 1:53pm ET"Row:What game were you watching? Ainge had a spectacular drive in the fourth which gave us a chance to win! Ran for a first down and threw a couple of passes on third to get first downs! Do your homework before stating nonsense!"
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Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Said:
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:12am ET"The guy who's moved ahead is EA! Is it just me or does HE look like the vet next to MS and KC? He's the most fluid and confident after the snap and even when his throws aren't where they should be, there's real velocity on them. I'd start MS if he steps up a bit more or KC if he really turns it on, but I think EA has earned a closer look. I know Rex won't start him next week but I wish he would!"
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