AFCE: None Better in Division Than Patriots
Published: Thu, June 25, 2009 - 2:29pm ET
By Randy Lange
Lange is editor-in-chief of newyorkjets.com. He covered the Jets for 13 years for The Record of Hackensack, N.J.
File Under: Rodney Harrison, Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
06/25 — This is the latest in a series of nine Radar entries over the next five weeks detailing trends in the AFC East, downward tendencies each division team wants to correct for the coming season and upward strides that each team wants to continue into 2009:
Rodney Harrison said it after the Patriots' 19-10 win over the Jets in the Green & White's Game 2 home opener last year:
"It's a nice win. A division win is a nice win."
NBC is sure to want something a little more substantial from Harrison when the hard-hitting safety joins the Peacock Network's "Football Night in America" broadcasts this season, but Rodney is right and the Patriots are the biggest division winners around.
The Patriots went 4-2 against their three AFC East brethren in 2008, and either a win over Miami in Week 3 or against the Jets in that Thursday night heart-thumper in Week 11 might have propelled the Pats to another division title.
But even a two-loss AFCE schedule did nothing to hurt the Patriots' position atop the NFL's division standings. The league realigned to eight four-team divisions in 2002, and in that span New England has the best record in all of football against its division. Better than the Steelers in the AFC North, better than the Colts in the AFC South.
Even Bill Belichick knows that while anything can happen on any given Sunday, "I think we all understand that the division games count a little more than the rest of the games."
Here are the NFL's top six teams in terms of records in their division games over the past seven seasons, plus how many times they reached the playoffs and how many division titles they won:
| Team | Div Record | PO Berths | Div Titles |
| New England | 33-9 | 5 | 5 |
| Indianapolis | 32-10 | 7 | 5 |
| Pittsburgh | 32-10 | 5 | 4 |
| Green Bay | 28-14 | 4 | 4 |
| Seattle | 27-15 | 5 | 4 |
| San Diego | 27-15 | 4 | 4 |
Fans Respond
Here's your chance to tell Randy what you think! Add a Comment | Hide All Show All (51)Ira Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 3:38pm ET"Looking at the Pats,Colts and Steelers and those #'s you posted really shows how solid those organizations really are. They continue to draft well,sign solid FA's and build within. They also all have or had Pro Bowl QB's which doesn't hurt. I hope the Jets can be added into that mix of the elite in the next few years."
scjoe Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 3:51pm ET"Let's not crown the Patsy's just yet, based on what they have done in the past.. This is a tough division and an improved division from last year, and they lost two games in the division last year. There are just to many "IFS" on all four teams in the AFC East to hand it over to any one right now."
Ira Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 4:09pm ET"scjoe, Thats why i said on paper. Nobody can predict what will happen. You play the game on the field.I do feel the Dolphins will be hard pressed to win 9 games this year. I have them at about 8-8,7-9. The Bills O-line is unproven and they are still building their D. The Jets have a lot of playoff talent and if they get any type of consistent QB play they can win 9-10 games or better. GO JETS!!!!"
MrJetGreen Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 4:51pm ET"No more relaxing in the pocket any more when Brady, Pennington or anyone from Buffalo goes back to pass versus the Jets. I expect the "D" to be unleashed and make opposing QB jobs very uncomfortable. We have a coach that gets it so now lets get it done! "
jetsfansince67 Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 5:12pm ET"I think the Jets may take a season or 2 to really become a real AFC threat, I'm sure Rex will have them running like a well oiled machine soon, but they have to sweep the Pats to be taken seriously, GO GANG GREEN!!"
Larry Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 7:20pm ET"Ira. I think youre pretty much dead on in your observation,especially consistant play from whoever is the QB. I think if the team can jell were guaranteed a minimum of 10 wins and a playoff spot. Favres arm not withstanding, imagine what we could have done last year if Mangini would have used his talent properly, and played to win rather than playing to not lose."
Ira Said:
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 7:08am ET"On NFL Network last night and front page of NFL.Com today the Jets were ranked at #19 entering the season. Good we fly under the radar until teams take notice that they can't score on the Jets. They all believe Sanchez will start unless he just doesn't get it this summer. Look in the background they have a Jets and Packers helmet next to each other. They should've put a Vikes helmet there also. "
Ira Said:
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 8:59am ET"Larry, Eric did play too conservative after they lost to Den and SF. The SF game is what really did them in last year not the Sea game. By Sea it was too late they lost confidence in themselves. I will give Favre slack because of his injury but Eric couldn't keep Favre from taking chances he shouldn't have taken. No excuses this year for them not to win those 9-10 games or more.GO JETS!!!!"
Troy Said:
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 5:51pm ET"All these analyst and Pats fans are assuming Brady's going to pick right up where he left off in 07,I dont see it ,doesn't history show that Qb's that blow out a knee are never really the same ,at least the following season.Culpepper,Palmer to name a few have never got back to where they were before the injury and the pats dont have a cassell in the waiting this year.So QB?? is for all afc east..."
rudy iacono Said:
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 7:31pm ET"Face it Jet fans as long as Woody owns the team and hires GM's like Tannenbaum this Jet team is doomed. This is an overarted team that will be lucky to win 4 games. Most Jet fans unfortunately can't recognize that Woody and Tannenbaum are both incompetent and as long as Woody owns the team this Jet franchise is doomed for failure. The day that Woody sells the team will be salvation for Jet fans."
mattyboy Said:
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 8:08pm ET"everybody here needs to sit back and realize that no matter who predicts what it never turns out that way...the jets D looks insane...and who says we cant begin our stopping ground this year from here on out...im sorry to say but the pats are on there way out...it will be a slow process but it will now begin...u agree Ira? Randy?"
mattyboy Said:
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 8:12pm ET"rudy rudy rudy...what makes u think the jets even had a chance prior to woody and mikey T....there is a special place for guys like you-its called the patriots sideline...so stop being a jets hater and go root for the blue and red bc u dont bleed green like the rest of us..."
36 year fan Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 2:18am ET"Rudy, Very dissappointing . We got a new state of the art stadium. We got a #1 draftpick young QB. We got cheerleaders. We got Ed the fireman. A big talkin coach. What more do you want? We're gonna knock the s#%@ out of the Patriots this year. It's gonna be beautiful to see. J ..E...T..S...JETS JETS JETS!!!"
36 year fan Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 2:34am ET"Only time I could ever root for Boston was in The Revolutionary War. Even then just barely!! Don't forget their Class-less spying of signal calls with video cameras. I hope they go completely down the tubes like they deserve. "
Ira Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 6:13am ET"mattboy, The Jets should be outstanding. The talent they have plus Rex's change of scheme and style should really kick start this team. But lets not be unrealistic they will need time to jell like any other team does when changes like this take place. I think it will all come come together by week 6-8. Lets face Hou,NR,Tenn, and NO is a real tough start. 5-3 at bye week and then get rolling."
Ira Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 6:20am ET"I disagree about the Pats. Belichick might be the best HC ever and Brady is worth at least 3 more games on a team that won 11 last year with a Cassell who never played before. They're going to spread you out and try to beat you by throwing the ball and pounding Taylor and Morris. Their secondary is suspect. Can the Jets beat them ? Sure but it won't be easy. They have to be the favorites."
Ira Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:27am ET"And while i really dislike Brady and the Pats i can't take away what Brady has accomplished. His winning % is off the charts for his carrer. His #'s are 87-24, .784%. BTW amoung the active QB's playing Chad is #8 at 43-34,.558% and that was with a 1-7 record in 07 on a very bad ankle injury and no LG. Get the point Chad is so underated.He would have won 11 easy with the Jets last year."
Jimmer Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 9:53am ET"Ira makes a valid statement about Chad and last year. And I think we would have won the division had we not went the Favre fiasco route. Favre was the reason we lost games. Chad haters won't agree, but he never "threw" the game away."
Alan Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 10:03am ET"Im siked about that Mario Uruttia signing, hes 6 ft 6 and a ran a 4.5, idk many people who are that tall and run that fast besides calvin johnson."
Ira Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 10:53am ET"Sorry my bad Chad is ranked 8th among AFC QB's. Among all NFL QB's he is ranked 15th. Still that's a very good ranking considering 03, 05 and 07 he was hurt."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 12:55pm ET"I'm not even worried .. Mangini was the destruction of the jets last year B-F got us to 8-3 then got hurt & E Mangini couldn't adapt .. All you Blame Favre are very wrong . He got us in the position to win the division not any QB could have beat N-E & Titans back 2 back he did yes him .. The D tried to give the game away In N-E & choked the last 5 games away .. Wish B-F was here with Rex Next"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 1:10pm ET"Cont. Fans blaming B-F now are the same fans who were saying were on our way to the AFC east championship.. Again Brett Favre at his worst is better then any QB on this team at best .. like to see any QB play better with DAMAGED throwing arm & take all the crap he did like from T-J & never complained I'll take a man like that on my team any day & I know true Jets fans know this C-P my butt"
Ira Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 4:47pm ET"Mike Jet Vet, I guess some have forgot about how Chad played with a torn rotator cuff in 04 and went 23-33 with 2 TD's and one was a 47 yd strike to Moss in the SD Palyoff Game and was 1 kick [2 tries] away in Pitt from taking the Jets to the AFC Championship Game. He still is #1 in comp % in NFL History at 66.0% add to that a career 90.6 QB rating. Not bad for a QB who they say can't throw,"
MikeMc Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 5:09pm ET"Mikejetvet, your delusional,maybe Mangini had some issues but Brett cost us the season. He was hurt, he knew it, it affected his play & he refused to take himself out because of his precious streak. Favre is the most selfish football player ever albeit once a great talent. I never wanted him, & I understand why Green bay threw him out like yesterdays garbage. PS I hate the pats with all my heart!!"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 6:43pm ET"Ira... I agree Chad was a good QB & again I will say stats are for losers he was just good enough to hang around but never got us to the promissed land so another wasted 8 to 10 years .. Hope you will agree his comp % was all dinks & dunks under 10 yards per I'm sure..Don't hold water sorry bud Manning Brady Marino Elway Troy -E thats stats I want on my team nice guys finish last "
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:10pm ET"Cont. The NFL is loaded with good QBs come on Ira even Trent Dilfer won a super Bowl do you think His lifetime stats match up to Chads ? Thats my point we should have been drafting big league QBS 10 years ago instead of passing up the likes of Marino & Brett Farve for the Ken Obrien's & R Todd's.. Same go's for the coaches we bring this is now 3 rookies in a row so lets see what 09 brings "
Zartan Said:
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:02pm ET"Ira,Chad porb would have won more games but once he makes it to the Playoffs he turns into a bum. Farve gave us the best Chance to win in the postseason but got hurt and wanted to keep his streak going.getting Brett lets us dump Chad and showed the owner we need our own young Franchise QB. if these things didnt happen we be in the same old jet mode. Note:hate Farve but wuda won us a S.B "
Ira Said:
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 7:25am ET"Mike, Its league wide the last few years with bringing in rookie HC's.The owners don't want to pay 5 mill plus per so they go this route. It usually goes full cycle and we will see a lot of former HC's hired in the next few years. Shannaha,Cower,Schotty Sr,and Billick.You're right over the years they seemed to draft the rong QB's i those 80's and 90's. I think they got it right this time. "
Ira Said:
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 7:34am ET"Zartan, Thst a pretty bold statement. Has he struggled against bigtime D's in the playoffs? Not in every game.02 Colts,04 SD,04 Pitt played god enough to win,06 Pats kept them in the gam until the 3rd QT, You put him on the Vikes right now he would win a SB. He has his short comings but so does most QB's. Wonder how things would've shook out if they never got rid of Chad? Sanchez and Rex aboard?"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 10:19am ET"Mike Mc . Here we go again sorry to inform you it wasn't or isn't B-F choice to come in or out of the game it's the head coaches call & every1 knows that so your wrong again ..BTW didn't the Defence give up almost if not the most passing yardage in the league last season ?? Explain how that's B-F fault"
MikeMc Said:
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 1:38pm ET"Sorry Mikejetvet, my eyes don't lie & the player knows his body & the extent of his injury. Favre admitted at the end of the season he couldn't compete, but he told Mangini he could go. Your an apoligist for this washed up QB, and for the record I've never been wrong,these are my opinions & I don't expect to change the minds of blind loyalists like you."
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 7:59pm ET"MIKE MC .. your kidding right if I were you mum should be the word every1 can read here.. If you truly believe what your writing its not me thats blind cause my eyes don't lie either the Defence choked the last 5 games away & mangini didn't adapt .. Thats a fact not opinion son"
Anonymous Said:
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 10:43pm ET"Ok the pats may look good on paper but they are geting old Brady isnt gona be the same remarkibal tom brady that he is. then agen hes not that way when some one gets in his face aneyway the guy has been off for a year plus they sent there back up to KC so if brady gets hurt agen there screwd "
Ira Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 9:55am ET"Sure coming back from an ACL inury is never easy but does anybody really think that Belichick would've traded Cassel if he felt Brady wouldn't be 100% by the time camp would start. And i hate to say this K.O'Connell their b/u QB could be the next Cassel. Either way the Jets will battle the Pats like they do every year. I expect the Jets to end their 8 year losing streak @ home and win this year."
Anonymous Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 11:18am ET"Bellichick is not a GOD. (GODs don't need to cheat) He does make mistakes and I feel he made a huge mistake on not keeping Cassel. Only time will tell. Go Jets!"
wayne Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 1:59pm ET"The defense was good last year, it will be better this year.It all comes down to QB play. The difference between the Jets and Pats is that the Brady won't have to carry that team. He's got a ton of help.Limitations at the skill position will put more pressure on the Jet QB to execute.Unless the RBs can surpass last year's production.3 and outs will kill a good D.Ball control is best bet."
Row Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 3:51pm ET"I believe coaching will be the #1 factor this season. If Schottenheimer can find a way to be successful in the passing game, we can win. There is a lot of talent, but talent alone gets coaches fired. Also continue to feel the DE, NT, and FS shortcomings. We must have several players step up to be successful. Lastly, Favre blew those games Jet Vet, we were in them all. Favre = selfish. Go Jets"
briguyinTampa Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 4:15pm ET"Defense wins championships. Noone disputes that. That being said, our defense was on the field ALOT at the end of the year. There were ALOT of long stretches thanks to ALOT of turnovers by our QB. To say that he(BF) was not part of the problem at the end of the year is absurd. He did took a beating in the first half and I remember broadcasters saying that he wont last the year. They we rite."
Ira Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 4:35pm ET"Row, Schotty will be at his best this coming season. He will finally get to run the full show and call plays that he feels will work best. His biggest problem is how he will handle a rookie QB or 4th year QB with 8 career starts. Once again this years sucess will be determined by how well the D plays and the running game. GO JETS!!!!"
MikeMc Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 4:47pm ET"My man Row. Mike the jetvet has a man crush on Favre so it is hard for him to be critical.Every coach and player has been chastised by jetvet all season, except the man thats pulling the trigger. Favre is gone thank goodness so there is no point engaging in this argument, he's Minn's problem now."
Larry Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 7:01pm ET"C'mon guys. Chad, Favre,its over theyre both gone and its for the best. It was Manginis job to pull Favre if he thought he couldnt get the job done. Favre also had a responsibility to the TEAM to let someone know the extent of his injury. And anyone who thinks we'd have been better with Chad is fooling themselves. Maqngini would have played the same dink & dunk everyone figured out the year before"
Ira Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 7:55pm ET"Favre did get hit a lot last year. But it wasn't all the o-lines fault all the time. A lot was because either Favre held on to the ball to long or they were coverage sacks when WR's didn't get open. Favre was sacked 30 times which placed him at #10 for the most sacked. Cassel -47, Big Ben -46 and Garrard -42 were the top 3. Collins -8,Cutler-11 and Brees -13 were the least sacked."
Mike jet Vet Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:18pm ET"Mike MC & Row .. Ok let me clarify it for you kids[ K ] never said Brett wasn't selfish he may be .. He is a player with heart & desire that's what warriors do not complain about injuries or other players like your boy T-J..I know hes not selfish right ?back up what you say I will I guarantee M-S or K-C will not get us to 8-3 put it on if your willing put up or shut up"
Mike Jet Vet Said:
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:50pm ET"Cont. ..You need to define selfishness maybe look it up because I never seen B-F sitting out for more money have you ? I just call it like I see it if he was hurt then so be it Mangini should have pulled him like Andy Reed did to there QB ..That's what winning coaches & teams do so don't blame a player who is willing to give life & limb for his team .Only selfish player on the team is T-J"
36 year fan Said:
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 1:09pm ET"Ira, it doesn't matter how many games The Patriots win. If they still have no class. Spygate has forever tarnished them. The Cheater stigma will forever be stuck like glue to their filthy uniforms.The Jets dont have to resort to No Class menuevers. If you believe in Kharma, thats probably why Brady was out all last season. Bad Kharma. The Pats are enemy #1. Not hate, but close to it."
punchie Said:
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 10:37pm ET"i find it strange that in an off season where most fans were expecting to see some new names on D and perhaps a big name WR to give kellen that big target they go out and draft a QB which kills the cap and still no big target WR for the kid to throw to. It could be a case of trade TJ for that big WR let SG and LW run the backfield not saying PLAX is the go but height and wingspan are impressive. "
Row Said:
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:00am ET"I am pretty sure Favre was making an unprecedented 12 million a year, and refused any offseason workouts for us. Then he goes and gets offseason surgery to try to play for another team. TJ carried us, then his carries declined. If I threw 1 td and had 6 picks the las five games, I would hope someone criticized me at some point, and if it were going to be anyone, TJ deserved to! 15tds 1300yds"
rudy iacono Said:
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 3:10pm ET"I have been a Jet ticket holder 40 + years. I can't believe the NJ Jet fans that like the raw deal that Woody has given his loyal fans called PSL fees. What is truly comical is that the Jets have but 2 div titles since moving to Meadowlands in 1984."
Tony B Said:
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 7:09pm ET"One thing I will never understand about last year But knowing Brett was hurt and we had a rushing attack then why was he throwing the ball 25-30 times a game?Its the O C job to have the correct game plan. Any sucessful team in the Meadowlands has to be able to pound the ball on the ground and throw the ball just enough to keep the opposing teams D off balance.Not having an injuried QB throw 20-25"
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Ira Said:
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 3:12pm ET"Randy, You must have ESP or something. A few minutes ago 2 salesman just left and were talking lots of trash. They were Pats fans and were giving me the business.Hard to argue with them. I think on paper their team this year might be a 13-14 win team. Taylor,Galloway and my boy Baker will only make their offense more difficult to stop. And adding F. Reese as an advisor was a great move."
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